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well heck yeah I would rather have more cops than firemen! Have you been out in Middletown lately? You cant park a car for five minutes without it getting broken into or just go into a local fast food restaurant or Walmart and there is either a fight or something happening. I don't even like taking my kids out in town anymore. But I don't want to see firemen cut either. EMS is badly needed and saves lives, but make no mistake we need al the cops we can get
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The cops are needed more than the firemen? Why do the dispatchers "stack" police calls while fire/ems calls are answered immediately? Even to the point where mutual aid is called to cover those multiple calls?

Remember, while the number of fire fighter will go down, the amount of calls will, historically, increase. Which of course means more mutual aid. What happens when neighboring cities get tired of paying so Middletown can get coverage.

Part-timers? Did you guys miss the front page article concerning part-timers? Departments are having trouble filling their part-time rosters. As a part-timer, would you want to work for less money in Middletown vs. a Liberty or West Chester Department and make more runs with Middletown? Some Chiefs complained about the increased cost of part-timers.

Statistics say 50% of all people will need fire/ems in their lifetime. While you may not have used it to this point, odds are you are going to need it. My two cents.
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Originally posted by Neil Barille Neil Barille wrote:

Vet, you've been singing this tune for years.  While I can't say I know the exact # of city employees in the city building, I'm going to guess there's isn't a whole lot of fat in the budget.  Hypothetically, even if you could cut 2-3 manager level types, that money won't come anywhere near the amount needed to keep all the public safety staff.
 

I'm with acclaro, we need cops more than fire. 


That's fine Neil. Still believe that the city building is no different than any other organization, be it private or public. From the eight companies I have worked for in the last 44 years, from small (300 or less employees) to large (100,000 worldwide), I have seen it loaded in the middle and at the top with multiple layers of management that often pass paperwork and conduct "deciding not to decide" meetings up and down the ladder. Worthless, expensive and inefficient. I think we can find some areas where this is so in the city building. Would surprise me if we couldn't double up on some of these Director/Manager position duties and let some go.

Your choice also to agree with acclaro on keeping the cops and eliminating the fire people......UNTIL, you have an unforeseen emergency with a close family member that requires the medic/ambulance service as fast as they can get there-----IE- heart attack/stroke, etc. Then let's see if your opinion may differ on the need for the fire folks and a quick response caused by a sufficient number of people manning the equipment. Our family is grateful for the many 911 responses we have called for over the last 4-5 years. I pray you or anyone else here never has to use this service but we all never know do we?
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Vet, you've been singing this tune for years.  While I can't say I know the exact # of city employees in the city building, I'm going to guess there's isn't a whole lot of fat in the budget.  Hypothetically, even if you could cut 2-3 manager level types, that money won't come anywhere near the amount needed to keep all the public safety staff.
 
I'm with acclaro, we need cops more than fire. 
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Ok, keep the cops for crime and downsize the fire department, minimizing the optimal response time. Either way, I still prefer the downsizing of the city building management to keep fire/police on the streets. Workers over bureaucrats any day.

All I know is if I call 911 and need a medic or ambulance run, which I have needed many times in the last 5 years, and they don't show in a reasonable response time, and the wife dies, the city is guaranteed a law suit.

To date, the response time has been within 5-8 minutes from the call. If it goes 12-15 minutes, there may be an operational issue and if she doesn't make it one time, there will definitely be an issue.
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Crime is much more an issue in Middletown than fires or ambulance runs. The added FTE's came about from federal grants that the city cannot sustain nor absorb. The fire department refused to allow part-time workers in, and they adamantly opposed SR5. Police over fire fighters, especially for those funded initially from federal funding. If they seriously wanted to solve the problem, they had the solution in SR5.   
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Still maintain the suggestion that cutting management paper shufflers in any organization is the prudent thing to do. Eliminates the cost of high salaries/benefits packages and paying people big bucks to attend meetings on an endless basis. It eliminates unnecessary layers of duplicate functions and prevents the always present competition among middle management to outdo one another for the sole purpose of gaining the favor of the CEO. (Acclaro, you and I know this as we both worked for P&G at GO or one of the tech centers, and saw, first hand, the endless layers of middle management).I believe you mentioned you were a brand manager at one time.

Example, using P&G's management positions at the tech center locations from lowest to highest:

Staff Engineer-Group Leader-Section Head-Assoc. Director-Director-VP, all at tech center level-Group VP at GO level-Executive VP at GO level-Senior VP at GO level-President at GO level-CEO. Why?

Most important benefit of cutting management is keeping boots on the ground on the front line who are the first responders to serve the people. We don't need more back line administration huddled in city building offices, we need people in the field who actually do the work.

This is the problem with any organization including the city building hierarchy.....too top heavy with Senior/Middle Managers and Directors who have multiple assistants to the assistants who drink coffee, suck on donuts, make a few phone calls, have a meeting or two deciding to decide later, and call it a day to the tune of a six figure salary. In typical fashion, they want to cut where the need is the greatest....ie, providing support for the people. This is what happens in a typical downsizing too. The little guy who does the work always get shown the door while they keep the overpriced multi-layer managers who are professional meeting attenders. Why? You can save 3 workers by laying off 1 middle manager. Would that manager be missed? I doubt it. Would you lose any performance in your organization? Probably not as those managers who remain can pick up the slack. Might earn their pay for a change.
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Cut the fire men. . 80% of activity is ambulance, not fire, and runs with 2-3 trucks, ambulances. Nonsensical and enormous burden of overhead. Reduce force augment with part-time and volunteers.

The city of Middletown has made no serious cuts in 30 years.   
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Nope. Not acceptable city leaders. Safety of the people is a number one priority and the safety levy approved a few years back was to MAINTAIN the safety force. Ya can't do without fire and police, especially since you invited more crime to town with your ghetto theme. We also need to have people who can deal with the saturation of drug infestation going on in town.

Layoff some of the 5 and 6 figure paper shufflers in the city building and streamline your operation. Keep the people who actually make a difference for the people and eliminate repetitive "pass the paper up the ladder/pass the paper down the ladder" nonsense. Ya don't need assistant directors, managers or multiple layers of management in a small operation like the city building. Let that crap exist in Corporate America where they have money to throw away. You don't have that luxury.

I'm not a fan of any union but we do need these services staffed adequately based on the need.
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Posted: 12:00 a.m. Sunday, July 27, 2014

City, fire union looking for alternatives to layoffs

Eleven firefighters have been given layoff notices

By Amanda Seitz

Staff Writer

MIDDLETOWN —

City officials and union leaders say they’re working to avoid the layoffs of 11 Middletown firefighters before an August deadline.

Firefighters were given layoff notices last week that would take effect at 7 p.m. Aug. 16, if officials can’t reach a deal.

A total of 15 firefighter positions are threatened to be eliminated from the Middletown Division of Fire’s budget. Four positions will be reduced through retirements, said Chris Klug, president of the firefighters union.

“Middletown Firefighters Union tries to remain hopeful that the city and they will be able to keep from laying off,” a statement, released Friday, by the union said. “However, those given layoff notices are already out applying for other jobs to make sure they can support their families at the end of the day.”

Public safety cuts are being made to help reduce the city’s general fund expenditures by $2.25 million over the next two to three years, officials previously said.

“Nobody wants to lay people off, nobody wants to reduce services but sometimes financial reality is just financial reality,” Les Landen, the law director for the city, said Saturday. “Hopefully we can get something that we all think is a little better than this. We’re going to do the best we can do.”

He said city officials and union representatives are still actively negotiating in hopes of brokering a deal before Aug. 16.

The fire department only employs full-time crew and Landen said union officials have not been receptive to the idea of replacing some of the laid off staff with part-time workers.

Middletown last laid off six firefighters in 2012 but were able to bring back those firefighters when they were awarded a federal grant. That grant runs out on Aug. 6, Klug said.

“We looked at concessions, doing a grant extension, any possible variety of ways to keep this from happening,” Klug said.

If the city decides to move forward with layoffs, one of the city’s five fire stations — Station 84 located at Tytus Avenue — will close. The remaining four stations will be staffed with three personnel that will maintain a fire engine and medic unit, according to a statement from the union. Emergency crews will respond to situations with the most appropriate vehicle.

Landen said he does not believe the layoffs or closure of the fire station will directly impact city residents’ safety. He said tasks such as firefighter training and the frequency of fire hydrant flushing are some of the things that will be directly impacted with the layoffs. He said the city fire chief has come up with the proposed model, once the layoffs occur, as a result of recent cuts department funding in recent years.

“Do I think it makes us unsafe; that’s the better question,” Landen said. “No, I don’t think it makes us unsafe. I don’t think the (fire) chief would be doing this if it was unsafe.”

 

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Would a wage freeze of ALL city employees be a viable answer for saving jobs? If they can operate at current levels then you may be able to at least save some from being laid off. They should be happy to save their jobs and forgo wage increases for now. Freezes should go all the way to the top including our new city manager. Just wondering.
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From 2000 to 2014, the police budget has increased $2.6 million or 28 percent,  while the fire budget has gone from $7 million to $9 million, or 30 percent.

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Posted: 6:38 p.m. Friday, July 25, 2014
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Eleven Middletown firefighters given layoff notices

By Staff Report

MIDDLETOWN —

A deadline is approaching for the city and firefighters union to reach a deal to prevent job losses and cut costs. On Friday, 11 Middletown firefighters received layoff notices in anticipation that no solution will be found in time.

They will be laid off at 7 p.m. Aug. 16 if nothing changes between now and then.

“Middletown Firefighters Union tries to remain hopeful that the city and they will be able to keep from laying off,” reads a statement provided by the union. “However, those given layoff notices are already out applying for other jobs to make sure they can support their families at the end of the day.”

Public safety cuts are being made to help reduce the city’s general fund expenditures by $2.25 million over the next two to three years, officials previously said.

A total of 15 positions are being eliminated from the Middletown Division of Fire’s budget. Four positions will be reduced through retirements, said Chris Klug, president of the firefighters union.

Middletown last laid off six firefighters in 2012 but were able to bring back those firefighters when they were awarded a federal grant. That grant runs out on Aug. 6, Klug said.

“We looked at concessions, doing a grant extension, any possible variety of ways to keep this from happening,” Klug said.

Assuming layoffs occur, Station 84 on Tytus Avenue will be closed and all other stations will be staffed with three personnel that will cross-staff a fire engine and medic unit, according to the union. When responding to an emergency, crews will take the most appropriate vehicle and leave the other.

The Journal-News was unable reach city officials before deadline late Friday.

 

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