SORG MANSION TAX CREDIT

correct--no good excuse for my last post
I usually agree with Rhodes' postings, though we think differently on the value/future of the Sorg properties

This place is still the best source of local information and discussion
dis-agreement is usually healthy, with differing parties usually gaining new insight and perspective. Adversaries often become friends. Hopefully the case with everyone here

When you demean my prior occupation, property and local knowledge to trumpet the value of other entities it does get my attention.

My last and smallest business property was a local staple for 51 years.
At no time was it dependent on tax $$ grants, and ir paid big-time in property tax, sales tax, payroll tax, CAT tax, inventory tax and taxes many of you have never heard of. Not to mention licenses and permits. It featured healthy foods and many local employees and used many local distribution providers(jobs for others).

It was sold(for more $$ than the Sorg properties combined), is being completely re-furbished and will re-open in another 2 months + to serve
the area again(with employees--jobs). It is not based on your tax $$, and will pay the same taxes mentioned above(remember factguy unfortunately stating that the new owners will pay through the nose on higher property tax rates?).

How much in tax $$ will the Sorg properties need, and when will they become functional? What if any property taxes will they pay? How many people will they employ? Who will they serve doing what?

sure house guy--I only ran the company for 30 years, with the last ten going south.
I could have laid off, paid minimum and eliminated bennies and probably made it.

HHG,

         YOU should zip it. You’ve done nothing but prove that you don’t know what you’re talking about and you don’t know the facts, aren’t very observant and rather than debate issues get personal about people you  obviously are out to get. You think you are smart if you can get people to fall into the trap by baiting them to jump in to your cheap, petty personal attacks rather than debate real issues.. Well, the fact is we have all seen your kind many times before and we’ll play the game with you just to show you up and how petty you are.

         SJ doesn’t need defending. He is more than able to defend himself but you only show your ignorance of the facts and circumstances of a city in decline when you say stupid things like “You’ve done nothing but fail to change with times and sold off your parents hard work off for years. Again these remarks are just personal attacks with no basis of truth and are really none of your business what a person does with his business.. The fact is a good businessman like SJ did change with the times just like many other business people who have sold out and left and gave up businesses in Middletown because we have had council and city administrations who brought this city to decline and have no understanding about business and economic growth just as you obviously don’t understand business. Business 101 teaches you when your business isn’t surviving because of the economy and local circumstances you cut your losses and move on. But you and your downtown cronies will tax citizens to death to hold on to a losing situation as long as you’re not paying for it out of your pocket.  Downtown has been a loser in the millions of dollars for many years now because of those like you who will defend a losing situation at the taxpayer’s expense rather than to admit to changing times.

          Furthermore, SJ and his family  have a wonderful “took a chance and did well” story that you will never have. They started many years before you ever came on the scene and did so well that their history is an important part of Middletown’s history. They did well enough to help many people and causes for decades. You will never match their contributions  to this city.

         I seldom call people’s comments stupid but your statement that says, “The fact that you sold the last store and that some top heavy fat corporation can buy your store, put 10's of thousands of dollars into it, and make money say's it all.” There  are many businesses and individuals out here right now wishing they could be so lucky to have some top heavy fat corporation buy them out of this losing city. Don’t you really know why these many dollar store are coming into Middletown? If not, then you need more help than we thought.  

        The fact is, “Growth and change isn't your strong point. I'll bet you even voted for that "change"....”    I have little doubt now that your vote has helped to support the decline of this city and its losses to thousands of citizens. “You should probably zip it.”

         pn

 

 

thanx Paul, but let it go...

Yes SJ and when I met you, I couldn't believe how hopeless and clueless you were. It was everyone else s fault. The guy that got a million dollar business dropped in his lap and sold it all..I'm  building one, something you have no appreciation for unless it was given to you. What are you building Steve? What risk are you taking?

He bought a cheap house on S Supthin  (how smart was that?

You know, I get along great with everyone I meet. if a dozen people from this forum think I'm a douche bag that's perfectly fine with me since they are the same ones that love to look at everything from the worst possible point of view. In fact, it's not just perfectly fine, it tells me I'm doing something right.

HHG