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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Posted: Jun 23 2015 at 7:51pm |
Posted: 6:07 p.m.
Tuesday, June 23, 2015 Academy students can take classes at
Cincinnati State
By Rick McCrabb Staff Writer In
a move called a “win-win” for the The
district signed a five-year memorandum of understanding with The
deal was praised Monday night by school officials and staff, but Board
President Marcia Andrew questioned the possible added cost of the program,
which had 150 students enrolled, if that number increases during the 2015-16
school year. So wondered what would happen if say, 50 percent of the MHS
students, signed up for the program. Treasurer Randy Bertram said after
talking to Lee Day, one of the high school counselors, he estimated the cost of
the program may jump from $65,000 to $100,000 to $125,000 this school year for
college tuition and textbooks. The
district first considered moving MHS
students will be able to take on-line classes at MHS and Ison
called this “a joint relationship” between the district and Cotter
said the on-line classes at the high school also will allow students there to
receive college credit and still afford them an opportunity to take electives
like band and orchestra. She
said most Anna
Bowman, an assistant MHS principal and director of The
Rev. Greg Tyus, school board vice president, liked the idea because the
district has the responsibility to provide educational opportunity for all
students, not just those attending Ivy League schools, he said. |
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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What is the source for the $3600 per month? How will the district handle the increased financial load if more students participate? The school district will help CS increase enrollment and pay CS $3600 per month for the honor of doing it. Nice deal for CS. If the district can afford programs like this, they must not need additional levy monies and the treasurer shouldn't be telling us the budget is tight, right?
This "Middie Academy" is a new program and new additional costs for the district. It was not mentioned to the taxpayers until it reached implementation. If the taxpayer is going to fund the costs, shouldn't the taxpayer know about these new programs well before they are implemented and have an opportunity to provide feedback? The school board and school officials were able to participate while excluding the public. Where was the chance for the public to offer opinions? Other motives perhaps? Since Cincy State is not meeting enrollment numbers, is this an attempt to boost the CS traffic and increase the anemic class enrollment numbers while bringing more "downtown foot traffic" to their downtown to make it look like there is activity down there? Now how much is the lease payment from the schools to the city of Middletown to rent the fourth floor? Over 5 grand was it? Couple that with this lease payment and we can see the schools have a nice little rent payment amount due each month. Where is all this money coming from to do these things? |
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middletownscouter
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Is the Middie Academy what used to be called the Success Academy or is this something different?
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Hmm.....this is the ONLY building that CS owns in the downtown area. The First National Bank and the Old Senior Citizens buildings are owned by HEP and the CG&E building that is still not completed is now owned by Store Master Funding.
This five year deal will ensure much needed revenue goes to Cincinnati State since the student numbers are not increasing. |
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VietVet
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Any other comments from any school board member on the comments provided? Or, with the exception of Ms. Andrew, do you all want to remain silent and secretive as usual? No credibility on the school board if they won't interact with the taxpaying public IMO. Same goes for any of the council members. Afraid to engage the public on controversial issues. Terrific representation.
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Marcia Andrew
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Some facts that might help clear up some questions raised when one reads this Journal article:
The Middie Academy is not a new program; it used to be called Success Academy (grades 10-12) and Freshman Academy (grade 9) and has been housed in the Manchester Building. It is an alternative high school using online/blended learning where students complete courses at their own pace, with support from teachers and a counselor. It is one of the reasons for the increase in MHS' graduation rate. Moving the Middie Academy out of the Manchester Building frees up classrooms for swing space for MHS students while MHS is renovated in stages. The other option for swing space would be temporary trailers (at a rental cost)(that would come out of the construction budget). It also allows for collaboration with Cincinnati State that will benefit our students. The potential increase mentioned by the Treasurer from $65,000 to $130,000 is for the cost of College Credit Plus district wide, not Middie Academy. The only increased cost to Middie Academy program is the rent, which is instead of renting trailers. College Credit Plus is what the State is now calling what used to be PSEO, Post Secondary Education Option, where high school students can take college classes for high school credit and also earn college credit. Under both programs, the school district is required to pay the college tuition for these students. But under the new program, eligibility has been expanded by state law to 7-12th graders, and the school district has to pay for college course books, too, not just tuition. The school district has no choice once the student is accepted by the college into the program. The State never provided funding for PSEO costs, and has not provided additional funding for the expanded College Credit Plus. Payments to the colleges are deducted from the general fund payments made to the district by the State. Opinion now -- I believe it is good for the community and good for Ohio to provide students with more access and a variety of pathways to success after high school, through technical certification programs and 2-year degrees in addition to traditional college. Having more qualified, credentialed workers will help attract better jobs. My issue is with the way it has been implemented by the State as an unfunded mandate. It should be funded from money the State gives to higher education, not K-12 school districts, because it is providing college credits for free to students and their families. |
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Vivian Moon
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Thank you for the additional nformation Mrs Andrews
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VietVet
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Statement from Ms. Andrew:
College Credit Plus is what the State is now calling what used to be PSEO, Post Secondary Education Option, where high school students can take college classes for high school credit and also earn college credit. Under both programs, the school district is required to pay the college tuition for these students. But under the new program, eligibility has been expanded by state law to 7-12th graders, and the school district has to pay for college course books, too, not just tuition. The school district has no choice once the student is accepted by the college into the program. The State never provided funding for PSEO costs, and has not provided additional funding for the expanded College Credit Plus. Payments to the colleges are deducted from the general fund payments made to the district by the State So. bottom line, the Middletown schools pay the college tuition/books for the high school student to take, and be given credit for college credit hours toward a degree. The Middleotown schools get their money to pay this tuition from the taxpayers property taxes. By deductive reasoning, the taxpayer is paying for a college education for a person other than an immediate family member, as is the traditional way of funding a college education, with the family members and the student benefiting from this directly. What does the taxpayer get out of this free money to the family in helping to provide this college education? In essence, the state of Ohio has said, you, the district taxpayer, will provide the money to allow the high school family member of a family you don't know, a free tuition/book buying ride, and you, the taxpayer, will have no say in the matter. Does this sound right to any of you folks? Statement from Ms. Andrew: "Opinion now -- I believe it is good for the community and good for Ohio to provide students with more access and a variety of pathways to success after high school, through technical certification programs and 2-year degrees in addition to traditional college. Having more qualified, credentialed workers will help attract better jobs. My issue is with the way it has been implemented by the State as an unfunded mandate. It should be funded from money the State gives to higher education, not K-12 school districts, because it is providing college credits for free to students and their families" But Ms. Andrew, do you think it is fair for the taxpayers to provide a college education to students when the parents are normally responsible for that? The student and family benefit from this, not the taxpayer. I say, let them fund their own college education like it was before. It might be "good for the community and good for Ohio" but it isn't necessarily a fair and equitable way for those who are forced to pay for others to go to college. That is a family decision and a family responsibility to finance it IMO. Whether the state gives it to education or the local school district pays, it all comes from forced taxes. No difference is there? |
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Marianne
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Just a few words about how funding for College Credit Plus works, because I believe there's a great deal of misunderstanding out there. ORC 3365 addresses all of this, but in brief:
The state allots a certain amount of funding each year per pupil to each district; this coming year it's about $5300.
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VietVet
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The bottom line.....no matter how you perceive the funding, the taxpayer is paying for a high school student to receive a college education when that is a parent/family responsibility IMO.
The state gets it's $5300 per student from the taxpayer. The local districts get their funding from the taxpayer. And now, based on the fees received, as you have described, the universities have now joined in receiving money to deliver the subject instruction to the high school student. Again the question......does anyone think this is right for the taxpayer to fund a college education for the high school student when it has always been financed privately through the family of the student? The taxpayer has always funded K-12, but now they are providing the financial source for an education beyond high school? Why? |
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Marcia Andrew
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Marianne, thank you for posting some additional information. I did not mean to imply that colleges are not sharing the cost burden for this program. I don't think that Columbus provided any extra funding to universities for this program, either. Viet Vet has a legitimate question whether state and local tax dollars should be allocated this way. I personally believe that providing access to higher ed to those that cannot afford it improves the economy and therefore benefits everyone indirectly. However, it is difficult for me to understand why there is not a financial need threshold for the program. Children of parents who can afford college are receiving free college credits on the same basis as children of the poorest parents.
However, school funding is even more complicated than what you post. While the State starts with a funding model of $5300 or so per student, due to funding caps and other issues, the amount of state funding that each district actually receives varies by district. Middletown City Schools actually only receives closer to $3000 per student (I don't have the exact amount handy). Payments to colleges for PSEO come out of that amount before the school district receives the remaining funding. It costs around $9500 per student to provide an education. If a student at the high school takes one class at MUM, they still have 6 classes at the high school that have to be staffed, plus a guidance counselor, and overhead like a principal, central office administrators to deal with all the changing state regulations, coaches and advisors for extracurriculars, utilities, janitors, transportation etc. Not to mention that, if Student A opts to take English at MUM, reducing one English class at MHS from 28 students to 27, no expenses have been saved by MHS. |
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Marianne
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Vet - I think you are asking a good question, but taxes have long supported education for students beyond K-12. This is nothing new. In the early twentieth century, you saw industry - university partnerships for research purposes, but at mid century (coinciding with WWII, of course), you have things like the 1945 report Science, The Endless Frontier. The federal government recognized that for the country to be successful, university research needed to be supported. So you have things like the National Science Foundation being established in 1950. The sort of work being funded by federal dollars (from taxpayers' contributions, of course) helps educate university students. So, your tax dollars have been educating college students for a long time.
Marcia, I wasn't suggesting that the state funding of districts was simple. I just think it's important to recognize that when places like Cincinnati State, Sinclair, Miami, Wright State, etc. receive state tax dollars through CCP, it's because they are providing an education to a district's students. I dislike the rhetoric that districts are "paying" these institutions, because I think that's an inaccurate statement. Your question about why there isn't an income threshold is a good one, but if you read ORC 3365.06, a family can choose through option A to be responsible for the full costs. Of course, this would require a family saying, "We earn enough money to pay for college tuition for our son or daughter, so let's choose Option A." |
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