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Mike_Presta
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Posted: Jan 30 2010 at 6:19am |
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I sit corrected!!
I was thinking autos and steel, but even in that I was wrong. although we buy no cars from India or China (yet), we certainly do from Korea (also in Asia, as I'm sure you know) and we are buying some (but a very limited amount) of steel from China.
Even still, without the legacy costs and work rules, I believe that the auto and steel industries could do well here, at least until India and China are able to become net exporters of those two items (which may happen sooner than we expect).
Brazil is a bigger immediate threat to steel.
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lrisner
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Well, Mike, I certainly disagree with you assessment of the Japanese Workers Lifestyle, but it was Asia we were talking about and not Japan. You do realize that China and India are in Asia. Surely you are not inferring that there is no cost advantage for them due to the Poverty level of their Workers. If not Cost, there where does the advantage come from? |
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Mike_Presta
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I am glad that we agree with most of it.
However, I cannot agree that "Lee's comment on Manufacturing is one I disagree with as we have not lost our edge, we have lost the cost issue and the only way to get it back would be to ask our Working People to live the way the Asian Workers do."
First, I have been to Japan and seen the way that Japanese steel and auto industry employees live. It is on par with our standard of living for the most part. The sub-par areas have more to do with their greater population density and lack of agricultural land than any disparity in working conditions or pay.
Second, the largest selling Asian autos in America are made right here! The "working people" in these plants live quite well. Just drive down to Georgetown, KY, or over to Evansville, IN, or up to Marysville or Ana, OH, and see for yourself.
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Mike_Presta
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I think that I have expressed this same sentiment here in the past. (Although I must admit it never occurred to me to include the Supremes before.)
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VietVet
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I agree with you 100% wasteful. My comment about ME being out of line by JOKINGLY referring to blaming Bush for everything was my attempt at some levity about the whole thing. I'm not convinced that you took it as such. I'm thinking that you think that my comment about being out of line was in reference to chronological order as to which President came first. To clarify- it had nothing to do with chronological order. It is meant to say that I was "out of line" with my blame of Bush and that I should be "talked to" by Mike again as he did in a previous post. IT's MEANT TO BE A JOKE wasteful.
Oh..... and one more thing- This misunderstanding is Bush's fault also. |
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wasteful
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Vet it is not a matter of being out of line. Everyone knows Bush was President before Obama. To coninually use the excuse that "Bush Did it" is just a cop out.
Bush is no longer able to effect any policy in governement, Obama is. As long as Obama keeps blaming Bush and bringing it up it does him no good. Obama is in charge, act like it and move on. Blaming Bush at every turn gets you no where and wears thin after a while.
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VietVet
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And yes, Mike. I'll defend BO and yes..... it's all Bush's fault that led up to the current situations in Iraq. Afghanistan, Iran, China, the lousy economy, the lack of jobs, the foreclosures, the bankruptcies, NAFTA, Section 8/HUD in Middletown, the 54% poverty level in Midd., Billy Becker's attitude, Lawrence Mulligan looking like Stanley, Les Landen looking like Oliver, Schiavone getting the mystery court job, downtown Midd. going to he-- in a handbasket, the demise of Towne Mall, Jeffy Michels Highland Historical District formation, pamphlets of the MMF found in the city manager's office, All American Weekend's demise, the Hydraulic Canal stagnating, bars getting busted for gambling machines, us losing the Balloon Nationals years ago, Barbeque Junction closing, and on and on.
Now...... I need another lecture 'cause I'm obviously "out of line" here. Help him out here, wasteful! |
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VietVet
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Geeeeeze guys- I merely stated that in Ioccoca's article he mentioned Obama but not Bush. I merely wanted SOMEONE to acknowledge that we all had problems with some of what Bushy Jr. did for the 8 years he was in office too and that Obama inherited a few gems from his administration also. EVERY incoming President inherits problems.
Lighten up wasteful- Lord!!!!!- I'm not a fan of some of the crap that Obama's doing now and was not a fan at all of most of what Bush did to the country. I'M BLAMING BOTH PARTIES, not just BUSH. You need not worry about "Bush Did It" being on my tombstone. I'd like my final resting place to have a little more class than to have the name Bush connected with it. |
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lrisner
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Hey, Mike, on this one we agree. The only prob I have with Lee's idea of throwing the Dems out is that it would leave the GOP free to let the Corps "steal us Blind" even more! Lee's comment on Manufacturing is one I disagree with as we have not lost our edge, we have lost the cost issue and the only way to get it back would be to ask our Working People to live the way the Asian Workers do.
Who here is for that? |
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Mike_Presta
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Sorry folks!
I apologize, Vet, my conservative brother!!!
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Mike_Presta
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And another thing, GWB lost the SIMPLE majority in the Senate in '98, and here it is 2010 and everything is STILL his fault??? But BO, with a 59-41 MAJORITY is BLAMELESS??? How does THAT work???
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Mike_Presta
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Agreed!! Vet, have you EVER heard me sing the praises of GWB??? Let me answer that for you: "NO!!!"
I wasn't all that fond of Mr. "Read my lips" either, especially after I apparently MISread those lips!
But Vet, I was posting an article by Lee Iacocco. Folks would have been blasting me for mis-quoting him. SHEESH!! And I'm sorry, but after his "we'll post on the internet before we vote"; "no more pork"; "we need bipartisanship"; etc, etc, ad nauseum performance last night, I certainly wasn't in the mood to defend BO, especially from someone with the credentials of Mr. Iacocco.
Can't you ever cut me even a little slack? He had his Affirmative Action breaks, now he's the president of the USA!!! He should be able to defend himself from a little old nobody in Middletown, Ohio on a local blog. If he can't even do THAT, then YOU shouldn't be defending him either!! For cripes sake, he could have me locked up at Gitmo and the key thrown away!!!
""We" no longer have a supermajority so the responsiblity is YOUR'S now!!!" WTF??? They still have 59-41 in the Senate and what...a 60 seat edge in the house?? So it's that worthless bunch of Republicans' fault now??? Anyone who buys THAT, regardless of party, is dumber than a box of rocks!!! I could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and poop a better excuse than THAT!!!
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wasteful
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Hey Mike don't we have a similar situation in Middletown 7 vs 51000 and the 51000 keep loosing. unless you are on Section 8 of course.
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wasteful
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Yeah Vet:
Bush created a Stimulus bill so full of Pork it should have been called the 2009 Bacon Bill, everyone gets a slice except the average Joe.
Bush Caused the collaspe of the Global warming arguement with those damn scientist that were hiding and changing data.
Bush created a health Care bill that only a Socialist could love.
Bush killed Cap and trade
Bush gave Pelosi and Reid free rein to write most of the legislation last year. Two of the most disliked politicians in history.
Bush's Fault Obama went to far left on many of his policies.
Bush's fault Obama surrounded himself with very left leaning advisors.
etc., etc., etc., Hey Vet sure we can't work Ron Olson into this blame game also.
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wasteful
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Hey Vet your tomb stones gonna Read, "Bush Did it".
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Bocephus
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I blame a lot of our current mess in this Country on GW Bush,if it weren't for him and his huge disconnect with reality we wouldn't have the socialists in power right now.
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VietVet
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Should we go back to the days of public hangings? Should we start with the 545 people mentioned by Mr. Reese? Sounds like the right thing to do to me. When do we get started??
I like Iococa's article too. Just needs to include the names of the Republicans that are equally responsible for this mess too. The name Bush, in his article, would have added fairness also. I saw Obama referenced several times. He's not the only one who is the problem. |
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Mike_Presta
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And a few more words from CHARLIE REESE!
545 vs 300,000,000
EVERY CITIZEN NEEDS TO READ THIS AND THINK ABOUT WHAT THIS JOURNALIST HAS SCRIPTED IN THIS MESSAGE. READ IT AND THEN REALLY THINK ABOUT OUR CURRENT POLITICAL DEBACLE. Charley Reese has been a journalist for 49 years. 545 PEOPLE By Charlie Reese Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them. Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits? Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes? You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does. You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does. You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does. You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does. You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does. One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country. I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank. I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason.. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes. Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party. What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall.. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits.. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it. The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? Nancy Pelosi. She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to. It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist. If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair. If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red .. If the Army &Marines are in IRAQ , it's because they want them in IRAQ If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way. There are no insoluble government problems.. Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation," or "politics" that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do. Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible. They, and they alone, have the power. They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses. Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees. We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess! Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper. What you do with this article now that you have read it.......... Is up to you. |
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Mike_Presta
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IACOCCA SPEAKS OUT ON OBAMA
Just as true today as it was when his book first came out. He was, and still is, a brilliant businessman! Often we need to be reminded of Iococca's words. Remember Lee Iacocca, the man who rescued Chrysler Corporation from its death throes? He's now 82 years old and has a new book, 'Where Have All The Leaders Gone?'. Our schools are in a complete disaster because of the teachers union. Name me an industry leader who is thinking creatively about how we can restore our competitive edge in manufacturing. Who would have believed that there could ever be a time when 'The Big Three' referred to Japanese car companies? How did this happen, and more important, look what Obama did about it! Name me a government leader who can articulate a plan for paying down the debit, or solving theenergy crisis, or managing the health care problem. The silence is deafening. But these are the crises that are eating away at our country and milking the middle class dry. *********************************** LET'S GET THE MUSLIM ROOKIE OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE!!! |
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