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    Posted: Feb 15 2017 at 3:10pm
Understand City has committed $30,000 to promote private music events hosted by Murphy's Landing.
Taxpayers dollars being spent to benefit one for profit business.
How is this justified?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote spiderjohn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb 15 2017 at 3:21pm
It isn't
Simply the sos
U would think that they could get better bands
Why not go back to having shows in the parks with different types of music?

So why not $30,000 for Douglas Park?
Sunset?
OUR soccer park?/

For the nth time--spread it around, Mr.A
Same message to council members -- they keep approving this

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Ok Mr. Adkins, enough is enough.

Given the fact that the city practice of taxpayer dollar usage is to buy downtown properties, try to sell them.....fail to sell them and eventually give them away for a fraction of the purchase price, coupled with developmental loans to people like Robinette and Grau just to see them back out of the agreed upon contract for final development in exchange for a city money give-away.......and now, if this information by Middletown29 is accurate, the city is using taxpayer money to foot the bill for pay for private sector entertainment for their pals at Murphy's Landing? If Murphy's Landing wants to bolster their business by using entertainment as a draw, let them finance the idea, not the taxpayers. The public sector city needs to stop financing the private sector business operations.

That is quite enough focus and concentration on your downtown dream sir. There are many in this town who pay taxes that do not want their money going to the black hole known as your downtown area. It has been a huge waste of money so far, yielding an end result that is not even close to the money outlay. C'mon city leaders. Please stop the money spending on the downtown and start dispersing it elsewhere. Contrary to popular belief, the downtown is not the save all/end all to being the remedy for solving the city's problems. The money distribution in this city is not even close to being efficient nor directed in the right manner as to real priorities needed. Why is this happening Mr. Adkins?
I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.
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Originally posted by Middletown29 Middletown29 wrote:

Understand City has committed $30,000 to promote private music events hosted by Murphy's Landing.
Taxpayers dollars being spent to benefit one for profit business.
How is this justified?
Did the city do this, or is it through the CVB with hotel bed tax funds?

The city does provide CVB a portion of these $.  The group then makes grants to support a variety of events.  

Linda Moorman used to head.  Not sure who's head now.

Pretty self-serving if she is still involved with the CVB and asked for the grant.  Especially now that they control that corner with ML and sole Canal Pub ownership.  
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Not sure where money comes from. Even if it is CVB? can they spend tax dollars to promote an event that profits a single downtown business?
If funds are from CVB and Moorman is involved wouldn't that be some kind of conflict? How do you find out who is involved with CVB?
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Originally posted by Middletown29 Middletown29 wrote:

Not sure where money comes from. Even if it is CVB? can they spend tax dollars to promote an event that profits a single downtown business?
If funds are from CVB and Moorman is involved wouldn't that be some kind of conflict? How do you find out who is involved with CVB?
It is technically a board and commission of the city, which means members are appointed by City Council.  You can pull a roster here.  Not sure how updated it is. Linda Moorman is listed as a member. 


Because it a board of the city, meeting minutes are included as part of the Council Consent agenda.
The most recent meeting minutes are from the Dec 6 packet.  Meeting from October.  TTTS is included in minutes but not $ approval.  There was an update on the impact study which implies they received CBV funding in 2016 as well


I think its important to note two things:

1.) Council doesn't approve grants and funding
2.) Linda is single vote.  If the board felt there was a conflict, they as a whole could deny the funding request. 

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Does it matter if City Council approves if they provide funds and appoint board?
Are they permitted to advertise for a for profit business activity?
Does anyone review CVB expenditures?
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If Moorman puts together events for downtown and generates business isn't that what the CVB is supposed to support?
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Originally posted by Middletown29 Middletown29 wrote:

Does it matter if City Council approves if they provide funds and appoint board?
Are they permitted to advertise for a for profit business activity?
Does anyone review CVB expenditures?
I would assume if funds are approved by the board, a vote is taken and that vote is recorded in the minutes which become part of the Council's Consent agenda.  So yes, in essence the expenditures are reviewed in that manner.  I don't know what the process would be to remove a board member, outside of not renewing a term when a term is expired.  

But, Linda Moorman could have come before the CBV as a non-board /non-voting member, requested the funds for TTTS and had them approved.

One could argue because of the DORA, TTTS could benefit all downtown restaurants/bars within the boundaries of the district.  

Still, is there a formal, organized group for the Taking it to the Streets as there is for other events that meets regularly to plan out a schedule?  Does the group have a treasurer? Are funds being co-mingled with Murphy's Landing.  I think that's a fair question.  

I think it's easy to argue that the Moorman business entities are a direct beneficiary of the TTTS initiative.    

Personally speaking, anytime i was remotely close to a TTTS concert, it looked like a dud.
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Originally posted by middielover middielover wrote:

If Moorman puts together events for downtown and generates business isn't that what the CVB is supposed to support?
I don't know that anyone is questioning that. Linda has worked hard to promote the downtown area and has led the effort for the Santa Parade pretty much since its inception.  I am sure that the Santa Parade receives or has received funding from the CVB.

I think what's being questioned is the direct benefit the Moorman's business interests are receiving and if the other businesses in the area felt the impact. 

- What's the total budget for the initiative
- What % does the CBV grant make up of the total budget?
- What % is coming from other sources---being other grants and business donations including the two perceived to be getting the direct benefit (ML and CP) that are controlled by the Moormans.  
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I know that both Moormans worked very hard on this project last year, and have worked very hard for the former downtown area. I attended a few of these events and also found the crowd lacking on most evenings. Murphys, Canal House and at the Square seem to be the financial beneficiaries. The wine shop should also get a kick this year. Nothing else is ever open. The coffee shop and other daytime businesses seem to suffer from traffic being blocked off by early afternoon. Maybe once a weekend or every other weekend?

My main ?s might be:
1. How many CVB members are investors in Murphys and Canal House or any other approximate businesses
2. What other similar grants did CVB make to other areas
3. How was CVB $$ allocated?
4. Shouldnt proportionate CVB funds be allocated to the areas GENERATING the funds

WE ALL WANT THE ENTIRE CITY TO PROSPER, AND WITH THE INCREDIBLE SUM INVESTED IN THE FORMER DOWNTOWN AREA, by generations of admin and councils/commissions,boards, committees. Still--the area bias is disturbing IF you compete elsewhere within the city.

This whole situation the Bill Murray movie Groundhog Day re-lived imo
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The city has not committed any funds to Taking it To the Streets and has no request to do so. I haven't even granted the permit yet to close the streets for the concert series next summer.

I'm still holding on to the 2016 funds allocated to the CVB to make sure they are following proper protocol in their spending and use of the hotel/motel tax revenue from the city.

I've not seen any minutes yet stating that the CVB approved such an expenditure, but if it was at a recent meeting and the minutes have not gotten to us yet, it's possible. I haven't seen it.
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