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    Posted: Nov 04 2015 at 2:54pm

The Other Cannabis War: The Battle Over Hemp

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-other-cannabis-war-20140603#ixzz3qYKWeH1T 


"Hemp cultivation is also as old as the country itself. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson grew it, hemp was once legal tender, and several drafts of the Declaration of Independence were written on hemp paper. During WWII, American farmers were paid to grow it, cultivating more than 150 million pounds of industrial hemp to support the American war effort. The U.S. government's 1942 propaganda filmHemp for Victory, depicts workers toiling happily to harvest lush fields of hemp; the fibrous plants to be later converted to materiel like rope and parachute webbing for the military."

"Despite its patriotic bona fides, cannabis sativa was a victim of reefer madness in almost every decade of the 20th Century. Praised, taxed, vilified, confused with pot and blamed for killing sprees and the theft of American jobs by immigrants. The final nail in hemp's coffin was its classification as a Schedule 1 narcotic in 1970's Controlled Substances Act."





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So looking at the election results for Issue 3 in the Middletown precincts and thought I'd share. I looked at the results currently published for both Butler and Warren counties. I'm sure those numbers will likely change after all the provisional and absentee ballots are counted, but this is pretty close. What the results showed:

Of the 36 Middletown precincts in Butler County, they split 50/50 for and against (18 precincts majority voted YES, 18 majority voted NO). From a vote standpoint, a total of 4,378 Butler County Middletonians voted YES, while 4,856 voted NO - for a split of 47%/53% against Issue 3.

Warren County precincts were far more one-sided. Of the five precincts, all five had a majority of voters cast NO votes (100% of precincts against). From a voter standpoint, those Middletonians residing in Warren County voted 554 YES and 1,148 NO - basically 2/3 majority against (33%/67%).

Overall between all precincts from both counties there were 18 in favor and 23 against (44%/56%), with total votes of 4,932 YES and 6,004 NO, or 45% in favor and 55% opposed.

A little bit closer in Middletown than what was being reported statewide.
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Updated: 10:40 a.m. Wednesday, Oct. 14, 2015 | Posted: 10:19 a.m. Wednesday, Oct. 14, 2015

ELECTION 2015

Poll: Ohio headed toward ‘constitutional crisis’ over marijuana issues

New poll from Kent State shows voters back marijuana legalization, but also support effort to keep monopolies out of constitution.

By Anthony Shoemaker

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Ohio may be headed for a “constitutional crisis” over the marijuana issue, if a new poll on state issues 2 and 3 is the result on Election Day.

Ohio voters support Issue 3, the constitutional amendment to legalize marijuana use in the state, according to a new poll. But they also support Issue 2 which would prohibit puting “monopolies” in the constitution which supporters say would keep Issue 3 from going into effect if both pass.

“If the election were held today and nearly all registered voters participated, both Issue 2 and Issue 3 would likely pass leading to a constitutional crisis,” said Ryan Claassen, associate professor in Kent State University’s Department of Political Science.

A Kent State University study, commissioned by WKYC-TV in Cleveland found that 58 percent of registered voters would support allowing adults in Ohio to legally possess small amounts of marijuana for personal use.

Kent State’s Survey Research Lab and experts from the Department of Sociology and Department of Political Science in Kent State’s College of Arts and Sciences recently fielded a survey of 500 registered voters in Ohio regarding both issues.

The poll also found:

* 84 percent of Ohioans indicated they would “support allowing adults in Ohio to legally use marijuana for medical purposes if their doctor prescribes it”

* 54 percent plan to vote “yes” on Issue 2 while 26 percent were undecided

* 56 percent plan to vote “yes” on Issue 3 while 10 percent were undecided

“This is the first Ohio poll to specifically address how Ohioians will vote on issues 2 and 3,” said Gregory Gibson, Ph.D., Director of the Survey Research Lab which collected the polling data within 48 hours.

“It was surprising to see that a majority of Ohio voters know that issue 3 is related to legalizing marijuana suggesting that Responsible Ohio’s information campaign appears to be working,”said Anthony Vander Horst, Ph.D., assistant professor in the Department of Sociology.

 

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Updated: 6:41 p.m. Wednesday, Sept. 16, 2015 | Posted: 6:18 p.m. Wednesday, Sept. 16, 2015

Marijuana issue ballot language must change, Ohio Supreme Court says

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COLUMBUS 

Ohio’s Supreme Court says part of the ballot wording describing a proposal to legalize marijuana in the state is misleading and has ordered a state board to rewrite it.

Supporters of the measure, known as Issue 3, had challenged the phrasing that was set to appear before voters in the Nov. 3 election as inaccurate and deliberately misleading. Attorneys for the state’s elections chief had argued the nearly 500-word ballot language was fair.

The high court sided with the supporters Wednesday. In its decision, the court orders the state’s Ballot Board to reconvene and replace sections about where retail stores can open, the amount of marijuana the initiative allows and the mechanism for adding growing facilities.

The court upheld the phrasing of the ballot issue’s title.

The proposed constitutional amendment will still appear on ballots.

HUSTED REACTS

Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted released the following statement in the Ohio Supreme Court’s ruling in The State ex rel. ResponsibleOhio vs. Ohio Ballot Board et al., specifically the court’s affirmation of the State Issue 3 ballot title where the court stated that “Husted’s ballot title is not ‘inaccurate, incorrect, or illegal,’ ‘confusing, misleading, or argumentative,’ or persuasive in nature.” The following may be attributed to Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted:

“Today, the Ohio Supreme Court agreed with me, the dictionary, common sense and many news publications across our state that State Issue 3 would create a marijuana monopoly in Ohio and that the voters deserve to be given that information before casting their ballots.

“I have an obligation to present the people of Ohio with accurate information to help them make an honest and educated decision on Election Day.

“I will convene the Ohio Ballot Board this week where we should easily be able to make the technical changes the court requested to the language it approved so county boards of elections across our state can make final preparations for this fall’s election.”


MARIJUANA: OHIO DECIDES TOWN HALL FORUM

Where: Sinclair Community College, Building 12, Smith Auditorium, 444 W. Third Street, Dayton.

Parking: Parking lot on 4th Street under Building 12. Street parking also available.

Time: 7-8:30 p.m.

Questions: Send us your questions in advance by going to our Ohio Politics Facebook page or email them to us at anthony.shoemaker@coxinc.com.

Listen live: If you can’t make it to the event, you can listen live on AM1290 and News 95.7 WHIO. The event will also stream live online at WHIO.com

Live call-in show: Join us after the forum on WHIO Radio for a call-in show starting at 8:30. Call in at (937) 457-1290

Learn more: Get answers to frequently asked questions, read past stories on the marijuana ballot issue and more at DaytonDailyNews.com/ohiomarijuana

SPECIAL EDITION OF WHIO REPORTS

WHIO Reports host Jim Otte and Columbus Bureau reporter Laura Bischoff will talk to experts on the marijuana issue during a special edition of WHIO Reports airing on Channel 7 on Sunday, Sept. 20 at 11:30 a.m.

COMING SUNDAY

Our Statehouse reporter Laura Bischoff was in Seattle this week to see how Washington state deals with legalized marijuana for recreational and medical use. Look for her special report in Sunday’s Dayton Daily News and watch videos from Washington at MyDaytonDailyNews.com

 

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Advocates: We have enough signatures to put pot on the ballot

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Dayton Business Journal

A group pushing for the legalization of marijuana says it has enough signatures to put the issue on the ballot in Ohio this November. 

http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/blog/morning_call/2015/06/advocates-we-have-enough-signatures-to-put-pot-on.html

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Updated: 4:54 p.m. Friday, March 20, 2015 | Posted: 12:00 a.m. Sunday, March 22, 2015

Is Ohio ready for marijuana legalization?

By Vivienne Machi

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BUTLER COUNTY 

    Is 2015 the year to bring marijuana to the people of Ohio? Legalization advocates say residents are ready; some policy experts say maybe not just yet.

    Three issues involving medical marijuana legalization have been approved by the Ohio State Board of Elections and are working on signatures to get onto the ballot, and one more issue that would allow 10 grow sites for medical and recreational marijuana is just one step away from doing the same. Advocates argue that Ohioans are ready for marijuana, though some Butler County cities have made it clear that marijuana isn’t welcome in their borders.

    Rob Ryan, president of the nonprofit NORML (National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws) Ohio, said that   “Ohio and the nation are ready for marijuana legalization.”

    “Maybe 10 years ago, if you asked, do you think we should legalize marijuana, you would hear the answer no, but when you asked, do you think we should tax and regulate marijuana, they said yes, and that’s the same question,” he said.   “Now, you’re asking if we should legalize marijuana; it’s the same question, and the answers are overwhelmingly yes.”

    David Niven, political science professor at the University of Cincinnati and past speechwriter for former Ohio Governor and current U.S. Senate candidate Ted Strickland, said that while marijuana legalization is clearly more popular now than it was several years ago, he doesn’t see 2015 as the year it happens.

    “It’s more of a policy question today than a flat-out policy assumption a few years ago,” he said. “There’s at least the conversation started and even if they get on the ballot and lose, it still advances the conversation.”

    Marijuana is now legal in five states across the country and Washington, D.C., and medical marijuana use is legal in 23 states. But despite movement in places like Colorado and Alaska, Niven doesn’t think Ohioans can expect the same outcome here yet.

    “I don’t think that Ohio has the libertarian government strain that you see in states where the marijuana legalization movement had its first successes,” he said. “The politics of Ohio on the left and right are more accepting of rules, so we’ve been and will be behind the country in terms of any movement of marijuana acceptance.”

    Ryan noted that Section 538 of the Omnibus Bill passed by Congress that approves spending through September 30, 2015, specifically says that none of the funding may be used to prevent states where at least a limited medical marijuana law has been enacted from implementing their own states laws to legalize use, distribution, cultivation or possession.

    “Congress is not a bastion of libertarianism, and they passed that as part of their budget for 2015,” he said.

Hamilton resident Anthony Weisenberger, an Army veteran who has used marijuana to help mitigate the symptoms of Crohn’s disease said he thinks that support for legalization is probably a lot higher than what meets the eye, as many people won’t actively voice their approval for fear of punishment.

    “They’re falling short in having people come out and support, for fear of being labeled a pothead,” he said. A NORML supporter, Weisenberger doesn’t think it’s a question of if marijuana is legalized in Ohio, but when, and that time could be now.

Boosting tax revenues?

    Proponents say tax revenues generated from the sales of legal marijuana will be significant, but opponents argue promises of a big haul from marijuana taxes will not happen and point to newly released statistics from Colorado’s first year of legalizing marijuana production and sales. Officials reported $44 million in new taxes on recreational marijuana but those new taxes were initially forecast to bring in about $70 million.

    Organizers of Responsible Ohio, one of the groups pushing for marijuana legalization, are proposing a five-percent retail tax rate while wholesalers and manufacturers contribute 15 percent, in an effort to smother black markets. Lydia Bolander, spokesperson for ResponsibleOhio, said that while she didn’t have an exact amount of tax revenue increase in the first year of legalization, did say, “this will be a significant boost to the economy, potentially millions of dollars for individual counties, depending on how big their population is.”

    She added there could be as many as 1,150 retail stores across the state selling marijuana and that their plan would create a statewide industry generating approximately “$4.2 billion in economic activity by 2020,” but Responsible Ohio is “still vetting that projection.”

    A local economist says there’s no question legalizing marijuana will raise some revenues, but what impact will that create on society? University of Cincinnati Economics Center Director of Research Michael Jones said, “if you look at the black market, the prices, of course, are still lower than what they are when you impose the taxation fee. And if you legalize marijuana, there’s less of a concern about being caught with it, so there’s more reason to continue to participate in the black market if you already are.”

Are Ohioans ready to vote for legalization?

    Middletown resident Brandon Murphy called the issue of marijuana legalization “long overdue.”

    “Socially, it’s pretty accepted, it’s one of the more common drugs that everybody uses,” he said. “I personally don’t care for it, but at the same time, I feel safer around people who smoke marijuana than around people who drink beer.”

Ryan compiled data from various national polls over the decades, and points to 1989 as the year of the turning point toward consistently more positive attitudes regarding marijuana legalization.

    “I’ve come to the conclusion of why that happened at that point in time, and that’s when the Internet came into people’s homes and that’s when you could learn that the government stance that says marijuana is a Schedule I drug has no basis in fact,” he said.

    An array of celebrities and public figures have come out in recent years saying they’ve dabbled in marijuana, and an overall tolerance for marijuana seems to grow with every state that legalizes marijuana, which may contribute to Ohio supporters looking to November with dreams of success.A 2014 Quinnipiac University poll found that 78 percent of Ohio voters supported medical marijuana, and 54 percent supported an adult being allowed a small amount for personal use.

    But Niven says it will take more than that to sway the voters on the fence.

    “What might be helpful would be a central, sympathetic figure,” he said. “Forget about Hollywood or a college student, they need some prominent person with an illness who says, this is what can get me through the day. That’s the kind of person that would shape the conversation.”

    Local municipalities have made their opinion clear in recent months, with Hamilton’s City Council voting in February to ban medical marijuana dispensaries within the city limits ahead of any state legislation. The city of Middletown is also looking for any option available to keepResponsibleOhio from establishing a grow site within its limits, after it was discovered that the group was eyeing a site just on the border of Middletown and Monroe for one of its 10 grow sites.

    More to the point, it’s unlikely that all four issues will make it onto the ballot, Niven said, pointing to the high cost of running a campaign, from the finances to the organization to gathering enough signatures.

    “I think (ResponsibleOhio) has the best chance of getting on the ballot because they have created such a financial incentive for their backers, but they are probably the weakest vehicle to get it passed,” he said. They give opponents multiple angles to critique; not just the general notion of marijuana legalization but the proposal to have “10 marijuana superbrokers” controlling all the production in the state, he continued.

    Ryan spoke at the Mar. 9 Ohio Task Force on Community-Police Relations in Cincinnati and called for the need to start “a serious, real dialogue on ending this war on drugs starting with re-legalization of marijuana.”

    “I firmly believe that people need to be responsible for their actions and their consequences…I do not support or condone drug abuse but what we’re doing today is not working and is actually counterproductive,” he said.

But where are the heavy hitters?

    With the exception of ResponsibleOhio, who has enlisted several regional figures as backers for their project — such as Oscar Robertson of Cincinnati Royals fame and Frostee Tucker, former Cincinnati Bengals player who currently plays defensive end for the Arizona Cardinals, real estate developers, a fashion designer and a sports agent — what the advocacy groups lack is the political power on their side, and trying to create your own political army is no joke, Niven said.

    “The parties aren’t going to endorse this, and without any prominent political organizations joining the fight, it’s such an enormous battle to get things on the ballot,” he said. “300,000 signatures is not child’s play, and the fastest way to signatures is money.”

    Most likely, marijuana legalization will go through the same process as Ohio’s casinos, where the issue lost again and again at the polls until finally, the timing and language matched up and it passed.

    “For the casinos, what happened was the economy was so bad that people were desperate for anything that might create jobs,” he said. “I think the marijuana folks have to face the reality that it took casinos time after time of getting rejected and getting the right moment to push through.

    And what if this just isn’t the right year?

    “2015 would be a terrible year for these folks to move forward, so if they actually go for the ballot, it would be quite a half-baked proposition to go in 2015, due to low turnout,” Niven said. “They would be better served to wait until 2016 where more voters are going to show up.”

    Ryan said that while he was initially surprised that these groups would attempt to take their issue to the ballot a year before a presidential campaign, traditionally a better turnout year, in the case of ResponsibleOhio’s proposal at least, it could work to their advantage.

    “I think the way they structured the tax revenue with 85 percent going to the municipalities, with a number of areas in Ohio that are hurting because of how the taxes are distributed for the cities versus the counties, there could be increasing support for it and it may drive turnout that maybe wouldn’t be there in the 2015 election,” he said.

    But whether the proposal that makes it onto the ballot is for purely medical marijuana, for creating a statewide industry, or they all get squashed, the conversation is moving forward.

    “This is where it does matter which proposals come through, do we really want all people to have access to marijuana, or do we want it to be medical patients, or do we want 10 people ruling Ohio,” Niven said. “It really does matter which ideas move forward; it’s going to be an entirely differently debate.”

Staff writer Laura Bischoff and the Alternative Press contributed to this report.


IN-DEPTH COVERAGE

This is the first of a three-part series looking at the possible impact of marijuana legalization in Ohio. Watch for articles in Monday and Tuesday’s editions highlighting the health arguments and business impacts as groups work to bring marijuana legalization to the ballot in November.

PENDING STATEWIDE BALLOT ISSUES

The Ohio Alternative Treatment Amendment

From the Ohio Patients Network, currently gathering signatures. This amendment would:

·                       Allow doctors to recommend up to 3.5 ounces of marijuana for treatment to adults for a qualifying medical condition,

·                       Establishes a registry program for medical use

·                       Allows the state to redistribute funds generated through the registry program toward funding for law enforcement, public education, and safety resources

·                       Establishes limitations on the centers where marijuana can be cultivated, who can work at those centers, and how the marijuana can be distributed.

The Ohio Cannabis Rights Amendment

From the Ohio Rights Group, currently gathering signatures. This amendment would:

·                       Allow adults with a qualifying medical condition to possess, acquire and produce marijuana. Children would be eligible with parents’ legal consent

·                       Allows for the commercial production of medical marijuana and industrial hemp, establishes a commission who regulate the use of medical marijuana as well as the process it’s produced in.

Marijuana Legalization Amendment

From ResponsibleOhio, approved Friday by the Ohio Ballot Board to begin gathering signatures. It would establish:

·                       10 legal growing locations that are at least 1,000 feet from schools, day care centers, churches or libraries;

·                       A seven-member Marijuana Control Commission to regulate growing, sales, distribution, licensing and taxing of marijuana products;

·                       5 marijuana testing facilities to check potency and safety;

·                       Not-for-profit medical marijuana dispensaries for patients with debilitating medical conditions who could buy pot at wholesale prices;

·                       A 5 percent flat tax on retail pot sales with 85 percent of the tax revenue going to local governments for services.

·                       Adults 21 and older could grow up to four plants in indoor areas inaccessible to minors. Home-grown marijuana could be shared but not sold.

 

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Mr. Nagy, we could all learn a lesson or two in respect from you. Thank you for your well thought out and tasteful post.

I am going to have to push back on The Governor of Colorado comments though.
The governor of the state has always been a staunch opponent of legalization. Here's an article from the Atlantic stating his opposition to the measure before it was even implemented:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/10/will-colorado-legalize-pot/263355/

So, basically, bullheaded people stay bullheaded. If anything marijuana legalization in Colorado has been much akin to gambling legalization in Ohio - big profits expected, small profits realized, and if anything the vast majority of people choose to ignore the new found freedom.

Given the demeanor of the average Ohioan, I would expect nothing less here. But maybe, just maybe, it will take a $100 mil or so from the Mexican drug cartels. That would be nice.
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Paul: You say that you are: “still going to encourage defeating the Middletown grow site either way.” I offer two points that I hope will change your mind:

First, if the issue passes, just changing the grow site will NOT eliminate the problems that legalized marijuana will bring to Middletown. Pot grown in Monroe, Warren County, Preble County, or unincorporated areas of Butler County will burn just as well in Middletown as that grown on the corner of Todhunter and Yankee. It will also cause the same problems, BUT (there’s always a “but”, isn’t there?) BUT we will be left without the tax money from the grow-site to help deal with those problems. (Remember, tax on WHOLESALE sales is proposed to be 10%! while tax on retail sales will be only 5%. EVERYONE (in case the issue passes) should lobby for a big chunk of these taxes to stay local to help deal with the problems that will come. (Hope for the best...but prepare for the worst!!!)

Second, City Hall has come out AGAINST the grow-site, and they’re ALWAYS wrong!!!

Those against the Middletown grow-site and the state issue would be much better served putting all of their efforts into defeating the state issue, than worrying about where it will be grown if it passes.

If it passes, it will be grown somewhere, and will be sold in dozens of locations in and/or near Middletown!!!
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It is not often that anyone finds himself being disagreed with by people he respects as much as I do those on this page. Please be certain that I will deliberate heavily about the facts you put forth.

My first observation is that the major thrust I meant to put forward was on the negative effects of  marijuana on children and families.  Our society is changing so much that it has children in a precarious predicament . My work with children over several decades perhaps makes me more sensitive to their plight than some others. That was pretty much ignored except for the comment by VietVet who brushed it aside by saying, “…just don’t consider grass as a major contributor to ruining lives when compared to the other drugs.”  I’ll comment on that shortly in this blog.

Spiderjohn:

Your comment, “…..wondering if our generation gap is the big difference in our thinking on this issue.” Sent my head spinning along with what little mind I have left. I concluded that you are exactly right my generational gap is the reason for much of my thinking and not only on this issue. I liked the good old days when there was a lot more practice of and insistence on morals. In those days we were told repeatedly that you can’t regulate morals. That is now changed  to -  you CAN regulate that which is immoral. So now we have  alcoholism, abortion, homosexuality, gambling ,drugs and a host of other things as our immoral base that are legislated. Yep, I liked the good old days when we were slowed down by the morality of our actions. Where does all of this end? Are our children better off with this approach? Isn’t it time to stand up for our children that we bring into this world?  That is the real essence of my soapbox message. As you know generally what the city does or doesn’t do seems to me totally inconsistent from any kind of moral logic. On this issue they have stated they are taking a position that I think is in the best interest of our citizens so I will encourage it until I see otherwise.

You further state,  I won't endorse ANY type of drug use--from pharmaceuticals to tobacco to alcohol and beyond. None are good for you or help you in the long run. Education early on and forward is the only REAL prevention. Lord knows, 50+ years of arrests and detention haven't helped.   Jmo”  and what a good opinion that is and let us encourage everyone to embrace it.

 VietVet:

 “…just don’t consider grass as a major contributor to ruining lives when compared to the other drugs.”  I wish you would reconsider this comparison. To me it’s like saying  just don’t consider a little poison as a major contributor to ruining lives when compared to other methods such as hanging, rape, murder, stabbing or when compared to other methods of ruining lives. I recognize that what you were doing was referring to the degree and differences between drugs.

When it comes to the medicinal use of marijuana, the jobs it could provide, etc., I wonder if we can’t be more creative in finding alternative answers to those issues than this. Actually, we already have many of those alternatives. Ask the drug companies and their employees. As usual, thanks so much for your reply and thinking on the matter.

 I hope everyone gives Mike Presta’s blog a lot of consideration and vote against marijuana becoming legal in Ohio. I’m still going to encourage defeating the Middletown grow site either way.

 Trotwood: We are so overburdened with problems in Middletown we don’t need to be in this kind of business anymore than we need the city to be in real estate.

 Acclaro:  I hope everyone gives a lot of thought to what you wrote regarding the man who killed the American Sniper and the Governor of Colorado. The Governor of Colorado gives a lot of credibility as to why we should not leagalize it in the State of Ohio or elsewhere.

 Thank you all.

 Paul Nagy

 

 

 

 

 

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I find the greatest story to be while Steve Dillman was attacked by many downtown in the Abbey, Martin Bidwell, and Magnode, sold the property after Martin moved out of Middletown a few years ago to West Chester. Not only is Martin one of the most prominent former residents in Middletown, but he was a highly accomplished student at Fenwick, and then at Miami at Oxford. He currently is President of Magnode. Similarly, I find it highly unlikely he did not know, or the family owners of Magnode, what the property was to be used for, as it was 40 acres, and had been on the market for 40 years. Ironic isn't it? A prominent former Middletownian selling commercial development property for marijuana cultivation. And----I doubt Martin cares what Doug Adkins thinks or Les Landon, if he can sell the property, he will.

Mike Presta got it right, don't place cart before horse. Bill Bennett has written an excellent book about the dangers of marijuana. 20X more powerful than 20 years ago, terrible hallucinations. From most accounts, the man who killed the American Sniper Kyle did so, while drinking and smoking pot. Medical marijuana has benefits. Check. Ask Governor of Colorado if legalized marijuana is a good thing. Already deduced it wasn't.           
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One thing is certain!!! We must be sure that everyone understands that we are dealing with two very separate and distinct issues here:
1.     Will the growth and use of marijuana become legal in Ohio???
2.     Will one of only ten indoor grow sites within Ohio be located on land presently zoned industrial on the outskirts of Middletown???

Unfortunately, these two issues will not be decided upon individually.
The issue which many of us seem to differ upon very passionately is point number 1, “Will the growth and use of marijuana in Ohio become legal???” That is the issue that should be debated amongst the citizenry, pontificated upon by the editorial boards of our newspapers, and possibly be the subject of resolutions by the city and village councils throughout the state.

If that issue fails its state-wide vote, then point number 2, “Will one of only ten indoor grow sites within Ohio be located on land presently zoned industrial on the outskirts of Middletown???”, becomes a moot point!

If the state-wide issue passes, then no matter what Middletonians or their elected or appointed leaders desire or do, marijuana will then be bought and sold in Middletown (either legally or illegally). It will be legally grown, if not in Middletown, then somewhere very near. It will be legally sold, if not in Middletown, then very near.) Consider if you want those Middletonians who drive to near-by cities to buy it legally, to bring MOST of their “buy” back here (having smoked some in that near-by town before starting the drive back).

If you are against it, then by all means, campaign your heart out AGAINST it!!!

And whether “FOR” or “AGAINST” campaign at the same time for the bulk of the WHOLESALE Sales tax (the biggest slice of the tax pie) to stay in the City of the indoor grow-sites (along with a hundred or so fairly high-paying jobs)!!!

Remember, defeating the issue will defeat the Middletown grow site. Defeating the Middletown grow site ahead of time will NOT DEFEAT the ISSUE!!!
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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^Never thought I'd say it, but I'm with Vet and SpiderJohn.

For one, the idea of determining ways to prevent a pot growing operation from coming is amusing in its own right. 
Seems like a very wasted effort to kill jobs.

Secondly, a lot of the hysteria over marijuana in the first place came from.... here:


Reefer Madness. A 1930's film. Hollywood did it. They created (most of) the stupidity.


I mean, if you really think about it, George Washington smoked marijuana. As did many other people, successful and not, after him. Including most all of our most recent presidents, a myriad of CEOs, etc. And they all turned out fine, and were not addicted.


It is possible to get addicted to pot, just like it's possible to get addicted to fast food or alcohol or driving 10 miles per hour under the speed limit on I-75. No real difference. 

The key is moderation. And personally I look forward to a day when every marijuana user can be assured their weed is only weed, contains no PCP or coke or what have you, and when the profit from that weed is going to small business owners in local communities instead of Mexican drug cartels or terrorists.
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I too respectfully disagree with Mr. Nagy. I believe his post is better tailored to heroin, meth or cocaine rather than grass. Grass has been a "choice to get high" since the 60's. Don't remember any "Narcan type" responses nor anything close to the society ills associated with what we are reading about heroin, meth and cocaine. Don't remember a high death toll with grass either. IMO, just don't consider grass as a major contributor to ruining lives when compared to the other drugs.

Cancer patients, some terminal, use grass to cope with the pain of the disease. This is a good thing, isn't it? We've already got a heroin production facility here in Middletown don't we? Must be one somewhere with as many runs as the medics have to make for OD's we read about.

As a side note.....

Just as the grass users have to pay for their medicinal drug, so should the heroin users for their Narcan treatment.....plus the $400+ charge for the medic run. If they can't afford the charge, don't jail 'em. Work it off doing city services for a few months. Have 'em wash police cruisers, school buses, fire units or medic vehicles. Put 'em out on the road crew patching holes since we're never gonna see the streets paved for 50 years. Heck, put them behind the council desk. Couldn't do any worse, could they?
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I find the current level of alarm both hypocritical and hilarious.
I have to disagree with my friend and fellow Middietownian, Mr.Nagy also, wondering if our generational gap is the difference in our thinking on this issue.

Middletown has been a hotbed of drug activity for as long as I can remember, and for those seeking drugs. With our long history of countless bars, drunken behavior and related arrests/injuries/deaths + our cocaine, meth and currently heroin issues, a marijuana farm is not that big of an issue IF the current referendum is APPROVED BY A MAJORITY OF OHIO VOTERS.

TO those unaware, marijuana arrests and priority has been de-emphasized for years, and the stuff is actually legal in some states, while moving in that direction in many others. If this become legal in Ohio, I don't see the real focus on keeping a facility out of Middletown, when it could just as easily go to Monroe, Trenton, Franklin or Oxford. What REAL difference would it make, other than to shift state jobs and revenue elsewhere? Isn't our city admin promoting numerous brew pubs throughout the city(actually only in the former downtown area)?

So--go ahead Doug and Les--stick your fingers into the cracks in the dam, but you will be washed away and drowned when it eventually breaks. Not to mention being left behind the flow once again while neighboring communities eventually embrace state business and "progress".

Also--how will the city deal with the provision allowing homeowners to grow up to four plants privately for personal use? Hopefully not an excuse for home invasion.

I won't endorse ANY type of drug use--from pharmaceuticals to tobacco to alcohol and beyond. None are good for you or help you in the long run. Education early on and forward is the only REAL prevention. Lord knows, 50+ years of arrests and detention haven't helped.

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It is important that we all unite to oppose this effort to grow marijuana in Middletown. A number of valid reasons have already been cited to prevent this atrocity and we should heed the warnings. However, there is a deeper reason for opposing this evil effort. Think about all of the children whose lives hae been ruined from marijuana. Their parents start out with it and then they go to other drugs and destroy their families and abuse their children. There is hardly a family that is not contaminated by this scourge now. We pay the damages. At taxpayer expense the courts are overloaded from the results of using marijuana. Judges have to be paid, prosecutors have to be paid, defense attorneys have to be paid, victim's advocates have to be paid, children services case workers have to be paid. In the mean time children who did not ask to be brought into this world are abused and suffer. We must do everything we can to prevent children suffering. What future does it hold for them?

The idea of growing  marijuana for medical and recreational purposes is phony.  It is all about money.  Those who are fostering this type of effort don't care about the harm they do to others and society in general, They care about making money. They are drug pushers and gangsters who seek to hide under a cloak of respectability by trying to legalize marijuana and other drugs and immoral acts. Your vote in favor is a vote against harmless children and society. You become just as guilty as the illegal pusher.

I'm proud of our city leaders and the strong stand they are taking against this effort. This is one time I can support them whole heartily and I will continue to do so. I hope you will too.

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Monroe seems like a better fit than Middletown.

I'd be willing to bet they would welcome the farm with open arms.
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Middletown officials are trying to stop this? Why? Goes right along with the ghetto druggie scene they have created with the low income Section 8 invites to town. Growing grass here actually accentuates the "positives" as we have successfully been labeled a dying city with an additional slum flavor thrown in by our dear leaders.

I like this from Leslie Landen.....

“We were clearly disappointed when this got dropped on us,” Landen said. “After we decide what we can do, we then need to decide what makes the best sense to us.”

Well Les babes, we're a tad bit disappointed that YOU and your buddies got "dropped on us" too, but, right now there ain't too much we can do about it is there. What "makes the best sense to us" is if you and your buddies leave town.
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Posted: 5:35 p.m. Friday, Feb. 20, 2015

Middletown exploring all options to stop marijuana grow site

By Ed Richter

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MIDDLETOWN 

A day after Moraine was removed from the list of potential sites for a 100,000-square-foot indoor marijuana growing facility, Middletown city officials said they are still exploring all options to stop one from coming there, too.

City officials were taken by surprise when ResponsibleOhio announced that Middletown would be one of 10 sites across Ohio for proposed indoor marijuana growing facilities. ResponsibleOhio is the group backing a constitutional amendment to legalize marijuana for medicinal and recreational use in Ohio.

The proposed Middletown site, owned by Trenton-based Magnode Corp., is on two parcels, totalling more than 40 acres, off of Yankee and Todhunter roads. The land was purchased from the seller by a third party that did not indicate what the land might be used for.

Moraine officials, who were not happy once they learned about the proposed pot factory there, sought state help in getting its site removed from the grow list. City officials argued that the Moraine site would violate ResponsibleOhio’s own criteria that marijuana facilities be at least 1,000 feet away from churches, schools or playgrounds. There is a church less than 1,000 feet from the Moraine site, city officials said.

Middletown City Manager Doug Adkins said it might take some time for city officials “to fully evaluate” the situation.

“We are looking at the ballot language and other documentation that might be available to see where we might have options to explore,” Adkins said Friday.

Law Director Les Landen said he is continuing to research what the city can or cannot do. He said he wants to make sure there is some legal basis for any actions the city might take.

“We were clearly disappointed when this got dropped on us,” Landen said. “After we decide what we can do, we then need to decide what makes the best sense to us.”

Landen said Middletown is looking at possible legal options, reviewing the proposed ballot language, reviewing the land purchase contract between the buyer and seller, what could be done through the city zoning code, and what other recourse the city might have if the proposed constitutional amendment makes the ballot and is approved by voters.

Middletown Mayor Lawrence Mulligan said the city’s hands are somewhat tied because the constitutional amendment process is underway. He said the constitutional process was how the racinos were established in Ohio.

“I am curious to see how the other sites will approach this,” Mulligan said.

On Thursday, the ResponsibleOhio organization announced that it would substitute a proposed indoor marijuana growing facility on 50.8 acres in the Moraine Commerce Park for a site in Delaware County, north of Columbus.

Moraine City Manager David Hicks said Thursday that ResponsibleOhio’s decision was no surprise. He noted the group “created a negative relationship out of the gate” by not disclosing its product or intentions.

ResponsibleOhio, which is backed by deep-pocketed investors and a team of political veterans, is seeking to put a constitutional amendment on the November ballot that would ask voters to legalize marijuana for recreational and medicinal purposes. The campaign identified 10 locations for indoor growing facilities, including sites in Middletown and Moraine, but ResponsibleOhio released new ballot language Thursday that drops Moraine.

“This change reflects a desire from both ResponsibleOhio and the property option holder to bring job growth and revenue to a location where such a venture would be supported,” said campaign spokeswoman Lydia Bolander.

Twenty-three states and the District of Columbia allow for medical marijuana and four states also include recreational use. If ResponsibleOhio is successful, Ohio will become the first state in the country to go from a complete ban to full legalization.

ResponsibleOhio will re-circulate the new ballot language. Once it has 1,000 valid voter signatures, the summary language must win approval from state Attorney General Mike DeWine and then get the nod from the Ohio Ballot Board, which Secretary of State Jon Husted chairs.

Then the campaign needs to collect 305,600 valid signatures from registered Ohio voters by July 1 to get on the November 2015 statewide ballot.

Staff Writer Laura A. Bischoff contributed to this report.

 

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I still cannot support this proposal because it still establishes a monopoly for marijuana in the state constitution. You have to have a license to grow individually and are only permitted 4 plants. Seems like the perfect situation for "Big Brother" to enter your residence without a warrant. The backers of this are the ones who are going to get rich and it will do little to alleviate the strain on law enforcement over marijuana. I'm for legalization but not like this.
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Originally posted by Historic House Guy Historic House Guy wrote:

Just found out about the change today Viv. I'll back them now. Where do I sign?



The need for that is long gone... sign an online petition!

That's what I'll be doing to support this proposal.
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Well House Guy
I do believe it will be a very long line for you to sign up so you better pack a lunch...
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Just found out about the change today Viv. I'll back them now. Where do I sign?


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Posted: 2:45 p.m. Tuesday, Feb. 17, 2015

Ohioans could grow marijuana at home under new plan

By Laura A. Bischoff

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COLUMBUS 

    Home growers would be allowed to legally cultivate up to four marijuana plants for personal use under a revised ballot proposal from ResponsibleOhio, the group pushing for a constitutional amendment to make pot legal in Ohio.

    The group announced Tuesday that it would submit a re-drafted proposal to Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine later this month that would include the following changes:

    Adults ages 21 and older could obtain a license to grow marijuana at home;

Households would be limited to four plants;

    Marijuana purchased at licensed retailers would be taxed at 5 percent, down from 15 percent as originally proposed;

    ResponsibleOhio, which is backed by deep-pocketed investors and an experienced political consulting team, wants to ask voters in November to change the state constitution to legalize marijuana for medicinal and recreational purposes. The group has identified 10 locations for indoor growing facilities, including in Middletown and Moraine.

    Since the group is re-drafting the ballot proposal, the sites could change. The city of Moraine, which owns one of the parcels that pot investors hold an option to purchase, is opposed to having a marijuana factory and city officials have already noted that the site is within 1,000-feet of a church. The initial ballot proposal says marijuana facilties cannot be within 1,000-feet of churches, day care centers or playgrounds.

    The new home grow provisions are modeled after Oregon, ResponsibleOhio said.

“ResponsibleOhio’s plan will allow those over 21 to grow their own marijuana for personal use, but forbid their sale of marijuana to the public,” said ResponsibleOhio spokeswoman Lydia Bolander in a written statement. “We believe that like alcohol, marijuana can be used safely and should be tightly regulated. Adults over 21 years of age are legally permitted to brew their own beer, but they aren’t permitted to sell it. Our amendment will allow limited and tightly regulated home grow of marijuana, but like home brewing, individuals will not be allowed to sell to the public.”

 

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Obviously, the people of ResponsibleOhio didn't talk to Mr. Adkins or anyone else before they put their plan together. I wonder who came up with the idea of using Middletown as a grow sight and who would have given them a "thumbs-up" to make such a public announcement. The only reason I wouldn't vote for this proposal is that it places a monopoly on marijuana in the state constitution. You as a private citizen couldn't grow it and could only buy it at a "state store". I also don't know what the status of industrial hemp would be under this proposal.

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Right on V.V.
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