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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Posted: Nov 04 2015 at 2:54pm |
The Other Cannabis War: The Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-other-cannabis-war-20140603#ixzz3qYKWeH1T "Hemp cultivation is also as old as the country itself. George Washington and Thomas Jefferson grew it, hemp was once legal tender, and several drafts of the Declaration of Independence were written on hemp paper. During WWII, American farmers were paid to grow it, cultivating more than 150 million pounds of industrial hemp to support the American war effort. The U.S. government's 1942 propaganda film, Hemp for Victory, depicts workers toiling happily to harvest lush fields of hemp; the fibrous plants to be later converted to materiel like rope and parachute webbing for the military." "Despite its patriotic bona fides, cannabis sativa was a victim of reefer madness in almost every decade of the 20th Century. Praised, taxed, vilified, confused with pot and blamed for killing sprees and the theft of American jobs by immigrants. The final nail in hemp's coffin was its classification as a Schedule 1 narcotic in 1970's Controlled Substances Act." |
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middletownscouter
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 11 2010 Location: Sunset Park Status: Offline Points: 501 |
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So looking at the election results for Issue 3 in the Middletown precincts and thought I'd share. I looked at the results currently published for both Butler and Warren counties. I'm sure those numbers will likely change after all the provisional and absentee ballots are counted, but this is pretty close. What the results showed:
Of the 36 Middletown precincts in Butler County, they split 50/50 for and against (18 precincts majority voted YES, 18 majority voted NO). From a vote standpoint, a total of 4,378 Butler County Middletonians voted YES, while 4,856 voted NO - for a split of 47%/53% against Issue 3. Warren County precincts were far more one-sided. Of the five precincts, all five had a majority of voters cast NO votes (100% of precincts against). From a voter standpoint, those Middletonians residing in Warren County voted 554 YES and 1,148 NO - basically 2/3 majority against (33%/67%). Overall between all precincts from both counties there were 18 in favor and 23 against (44%/56%), with total votes of 4,932 YES and 6,004 NO, or 45% in favor and 55% opposed. A little bit closer in Middletown than what was being reported statewide. |
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Updated: 10:40 a.m.
Wednesday, Oct. 14, 2015 | Posted: 10:19 a.m. Wednesday, Oct. 14, 2015 ELECTION 2015 Poll:
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Vivian Moon
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Updated: 6:41 p.m.
Wednesday, Sept. 16, 2015 | Posted: 6:18 p.m. Wednesday, Sept. 16, 2015 Marijuana issue ballot language must change,
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Vivian Moon
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Vivian Moon
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Updated: 4:54 p.m.
Friday, March 20, 2015 | Posted: 12:00 a.m. Sunday, March 22, 2015 Is
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Trotwood
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Mr. Nagy, we could all learn a lesson or two in respect from you. Thank you for your well thought out and tasteful post.
I am going to have to push back on The Governor of Colorado comments though. The governor of the state has always been a staunch opponent of legalization. Here's an article from the Atlantic stating his opposition to the measure before it was even implemented: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/10/will-colorado-legalize-pot/263355/ So, basically, bullheaded people stay bullheaded. If anything marijuana legalization in Colorado has been much akin to gambling legalization in Ohio - big profits expected, small profits realized, and if anything the vast majority of people choose to ignore the new found freedom. Given the demeanor of the average Ohioan, I would expect nothing less here. But maybe, just maybe, it will take a $100 mil or so from the Mexican drug cartels. That would be nice.
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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Paul: You say that you are: “still going to encourage defeating the Middletown grow site either way.” I offer two points that I hope will change your mind:
First, if the issue passes, just changing the grow site will NOT eliminate the problems that legalized marijuana will bring to Middletown. Pot grown in Monroe, Warren County, Preble County, or unincorporated areas of Butler County will burn just as well in Middletown as that grown on the corner of Todhunter and Yankee. It will also cause the same problems, BUT (there’s always a “but”, isn’t there?) BUT we will be left without the tax money from the grow-site to help deal with those problems. (Remember, tax on WHOLESALE sales is proposed to be 10%! while tax on retail sales will be only 5%. EVERYONE (in case the issue passes) should lobby for a big chunk of these taxes to stay local to help deal with the problems that will come. (Hope for the best...but prepare for the worst!!!) Second, City Hall has come out AGAINST the grow-site, and they’re ALWAYS wrong!!! Those against the Middletown grow-site and the state issue would be much better served putting all of their efforts into defeating the state issue, than worrying about where it will be grown if it passes. If it passes, it will be grown somewhere, and will be sold in dozens of locations in and/or near Middletown!!! |
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Paul Nagy
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jan 11 2009 Status: Offline Points: 384 |
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It is not often that anyone finds himself being disagreed with by people he respects as much as I do those on this page. Please be certain that I will deliberate heavily about the facts you put forth. My first observation is that the major thrust I meant to put forward was on the negative effects of marijuana on children and families. Our society is changing so much that it has children in a precarious predicament . My work with children over several decades perhaps makes me more sensitive to their plight than some others. That was pretty much ignored except for the comment by VietVet who brushed it aside by saying, “…just don’t consider grass as a major contributor to ruining lives when compared to the other drugs.” I’ll comment on that shortly in this blog. Spiderjohn: Your comment, “…..wondering if our generation gap is the big difference in our thinking on this issue.” Sent my head spinning along with what little mind I have left. I concluded that you are exactly right my generational gap is the reason for much of my thinking and not only on this issue. I liked the good old days when there was a lot more practice of and insistence on morals. In those days we were told repeatedly that you can’t regulate morals. That is now changed to - you CAN regulate that which is immoral. So now we have alcoholism, abortion, homosexuality, gambling ,drugs and a host of other things as our immoral base that are legislated. Yep, I liked the good old days when we were slowed down by the morality of our actions. Where does all of this end? Are our children better off with this approach? Isn’t it time to stand up for our children that we bring into this world? That is the real essence of my soapbox message. As you know generally what the city does or doesn’t do seems to me totally inconsistent from any kind of moral logic. On this issue they have stated they are taking a position that I think is in the best interest of our citizens so I will encourage it until I see otherwise. You further state, “I won't endorse ANY type of drug use--from pharmaceuticals to tobacco to alcohol and beyond. None are good for you or help you in the long run. Education early on and forward is the only REAL prevention. Lord knows, 50+ years of arrests and detention haven't helped. Jmo” and what a good opinion that is and let us encourage everyone to embrace it. VietVet: “…just don’t consider grass as a major contributor to ruining lives when compared to the other drugs.” I wish you would reconsider this comparison. To me it’s like saying just don’t consider a little poison as a major contributor to ruining lives when compared to other methods such as hanging, rape, murder, stabbing or when compared to other methods of ruining lives. I recognize that what you were doing was referring to the degree and differences between drugs. When it comes to the medicinal use of marijuana, the jobs it could provide, etc., I wonder if we can’t be more creative in finding alternative answers to those issues than this. Actually, we already have many of those alternatives. Ask the drug companies and their employees. As usual, thanks so much for your reply and thinking on the matter. I hope everyone gives Mike Presta’s blog a lot of consideration and vote against marijuana becoming legal in Ohio. I’m still going to encourage defeating the Middletown grow site either way. Trotwood: We are so overburdened with problems in Middletown we don’t need to be in this kind of business anymore than we need the city to be in real estate. Acclaro: I hope everyone gives a lot of thought to what you wrote regarding the man who killed the American Sniper and the Governor of Colorado. The Governor of Colorado gives a lot of credibility as to why we should not leagalize it in the State of Ohio or elsewhere. Thank you all. Paul Nagy
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acclaro
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I find the greatest story to be while Steve Dillman was attacked by many downtown in the Abbey, Martin Bidwell, and Magnode, sold the property after Martin moved out of Middletown a few years ago to West Chester. Not only is Martin one of the most prominent former residents in Middletown, but he was a highly accomplished student at Fenwick, and then at Miami at Oxford. He currently is President of Magnode. Similarly, I find it highly unlikely he did not know, or the family owners of Magnode, what the property was to be used for, as it was 40 acres, and had been on the market for 40 years. Ironic isn't it? A prominent former Middletownian selling commercial development property for marijuana cultivation. And----I doubt Martin cares what Doug Adkins thinks or Les Landon, if he can sell the property, he will.
Mike Presta got it right, don't place cart before horse. Bill Bennett has written an excellent book about the dangers of marijuana. 20X more powerful than 20 years ago, terrible hallucinations. From most accounts, the man who killed the American Sniper Kyle did so, while drinking and smoking pot. Medical marijuana has benefits. Check. Ask Governor of Colorado if legalized marijuana is a good thing. Already deduced it wasn't.
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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One thing is certain!!! We must be sure that everyone understands that we are dealing with two very separate and distinct issues here:
1. Will the growth and use of marijuana become legal in Ohio??? 2. Will one of only ten indoor grow sites within Ohio be located on land presently zoned industrial on the outskirts of Middletown??? Unfortunately, these two issues will not be decided upon individually. The issue which many of us seem to differ upon very passionately is point number 1, “Will the growth and use of marijuana in Ohio become legal???” That is the issue that should be debated amongst the citizenry, pontificated upon by the editorial boards of our newspapers, and possibly be the subject of resolutions by the city and village councils throughout the state. If that issue fails its state-wide vote, then point number 2, “Will one of only ten indoor grow sites within Ohio be located on land presently zoned industrial on the outskirts of Middletown???”, becomes a moot point! If the state-wide issue passes, then no matter what Middletonians or their elected or appointed leaders desire or do, marijuana will then be bought and sold in Middletown (either legally or illegally). It will be legally grown, if not in Middletown, then somewhere very near. It will be legally sold, if not in Middletown, then very near.) Consider if you want those Middletonians who drive to near-by cities to buy it legally, to bring MOST of their “buy” back here (having smoked some in that near-by town before starting the drive back). If you are against it, then by all means, campaign your heart out AGAINST it!!! And whether “FOR” or “AGAINST” campaign at the same time for the bulk of the WHOLESALE Sales tax (the biggest slice of the tax pie) to stay in the City of the indoor grow-sites (along with a hundred or so fairly high-paying jobs)!!! Remember, defeating the issue will defeat the Middletown grow site. Defeating the Middletown grow site ahead of time will NOT DEFEAT the ISSUE!!! |
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Trotwood
MUSA Resident Joined: Jul 22 2013 Status: Offline Points: 117 |
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^Never thought I'd say it, but I'm with Vet and SpiderJohn.
For one, the idea of determining ways to prevent a pot growing operation from coming is amusing in its own right. Seems like a very wasted effort to kill jobs. Secondly, a lot of the hysteria over marijuana in the first place came from.... here: Reefer Madness. A 1930's film. Hollywood did it. They created (most of) the stupidity. I mean, if you really think about it, George Washington smoked marijuana. As did many other people, successful and not, after him. Including most all of our most recent presidents, a myriad of CEOs, etc. And they all turned out fine, and were not addicted. It is possible to get addicted to pot, just like it's possible to get addicted to fast food or alcohol or driving 10 miles per hour under the speed limit on I-75. No real difference. The key is moderation. And personally I look forward to a day when every marijuana user can be assured their weed is only weed, contains no PCP or coke or what have you, and when the profit from that weed is going to small business owners in local communities instead of Mexican drug cartels or terrorists.
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VietVet
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I too respectfully disagree with Mr. Nagy. I believe his post is better tailored to heroin, meth or cocaine rather than grass. Grass has been a "choice to get high" since the 60's. Don't remember any "Narcan type" responses nor anything close to the society ills associated with what we are reading about heroin, meth and cocaine. Don't remember a high death toll with grass either. IMO, just don't consider grass as a major contributor to ruining lives when compared to the other drugs.
Cancer patients, some terminal, use grass to cope with the pain of the disease. This is a good thing, isn't it? We've already got a heroin production facility here in Middletown don't we? Must be one somewhere with as many runs as the medics have to make for OD's we read about. As a side note..... Just as the grass users have to pay for their medicinal drug, so should the heroin users for their Narcan treatment.....plus the $400+ charge for the medic run. If they can't afford the charge, don't jail 'em. Work it off doing city services for a few months. Have 'em wash police cruisers, school buses, fire units or medic vehicles. Put 'em out on the road crew patching holes since we're never gonna see the streets paved for 50 years. Heck, put them behind the council desk. Couldn't do any worse, could they? |
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I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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I find the current level of alarm both hypocritical and hilarious.
I have to disagree with my friend and fellow Middietownian, Mr.Nagy also, wondering if our generational gap is the difference in our thinking on this issue. Middletown has been a hotbed of drug activity for as long as I can remember, and for those seeking drugs. With our long history of countless bars, drunken behavior and related arrests/injuries/deaths + our cocaine, meth and currently heroin issues, a marijuana farm is not that big of an issue IF the current referendum is APPROVED BY A MAJORITY OF OHIO VOTERS. TO those unaware, marijuana arrests and priority has been de-emphasized for years, and the stuff is actually legal in some states, while moving in that direction in many others. If this become legal in Ohio, I don't see the real focus on keeping a facility out of Middletown, when it could just as easily go to Monroe, Trenton, Franklin or Oxford. What REAL difference would it make, other than to shift state jobs and revenue elsewhere? Isn't our city admin promoting numerous brew pubs throughout the city(actually only in the former downtown area)? So--go ahead Doug and Les--stick your fingers into the cracks in the dam, but you will be washed away and drowned when it eventually breaks. Not to mention being left behind the flow once again while neighboring communities eventually embrace state business and "progress". Also--how will the city deal with the provision allowing homeowners to grow up to four plants privately for personal use? Hopefully not an excuse for home invasion. I won't endorse ANY type of drug use--from pharmaceuticals to tobacco to alcohol and beyond. None are good for you or help you in the long run. Education early on and forward is the only REAL prevention. Lord knows, 50+ years of arrests and detention haven't helped. jmo |
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Paul Nagy
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It is important that we all unite to oppose this effort to grow marijuana in Middletown. A number of valid reasons have already been cited to prevent this atrocity and we should heed the warnings. However, there is a deeper reason for opposing this evil effort. Think about all of the children whose lives hae been ruined from marijuana. Their parents start out with it and then they go to other drugs and destroy their families and abuse their children. There is hardly a family that is not contaminated by this scourge now. We pay the damages. At taxpayer expense the courts are overloaded from the results of using marijuana. Judges have to be paid, prosecutors have to be paid, defense attorneys have to be paid, victim's advocates have to be paid, children services case workers have to be paid. In the mean time children who did not ask to be brought into this world are abused and suffer. We must do everything we can to prevent children suffering. What future does it hold for them?
The idea of growing marijuana for medical and recreational purposes is phony. It is all about money. Those who are fostering this type of effort don't care about the harm they do to others and society in general, They care about making money. They are drug pushers and gangsters who seek to hide under a cloak of respectability by trying to legalize marijuana and other drugs and immoral acts. Your vote in favor is a vote against harmless children and society. You become just as guilty as the illegal pusher. I'm proud of our city leaders and the strong stand they are taking against this effort. This is one time I can support them whole heartily and I will continue to do so. I hope you will too. Paul Nagy |
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Trotwood
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Monroe seems like a better fit than Middletown.
I'd be willing to bet they would welcome the farm with open arms.
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VietVet
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Middletown officials are trying to stop this? Why? Goes right along with the ghetto druggie scene they have created with the low income Section 8 invites to town. Growing grass here actually accentuates the "positives" as we have successfully been labeled a dying city with an additional slum flavor thrown in by our dear leaders.
I like this from Leslie Landen..... “We were clearly disappointed when this got dropped on us,” Landen said. “After we decide what we can do, we then need to decide what makes the best sense to us.” Well Les babes, we're a tad bit disappointed that YOU and your buddies got "dropped on us" too, but, right now there ain't too much we can do about it is there. What "makes the best sense to us" is if you and your buddies leave town. |
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I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.
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Vivian Moon
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Posted: 5:35 p.m. Friday,
Feb. 20, 2015
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TonyB
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jan 12 2011 Location: Middletown, OH Status: Offline Points: 631 |
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I still cannot support this proposal because it still establishes a monopoly for marijuana in the state constitution. You have to have a license to grow individually and are only permitted 4 plants. Seems like the perfect situation for "Big Brother" to enter your residence without a warrant. The backers of this are the ones who are going to get rich and it will do little to alleviate the strain on law enforcement over marijuana. I'm for legalization but not like this.
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Trotwood
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The need for that is long gone... sign an online petition! That's what I'll be doing to support this proposal.
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Well House Guy
I do believe it will be a very long line for you to sign up so you better pack a lunch... |
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Historic House Guy
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Just found out about the change today Viv. I'll back them now. Where do I sign?
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Vivian Moon
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Posted: 2:45 p.m.
Tuesday, Feb. 17, 2015 Ohioans could grow marijuana at home under new
plan
Home growers would be allowed to legally
cultivate up to four marijuana plants for personal use under a revised ballot
proposal from ResponsibleOhio, the group pushing for a constitutional amendment
to make pot legal in The group announced Tuesday that it would
submit a re-drafted proposal to Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine later this
month that would include the following changes: Adults ages 21 and older could obtain a
license to grow marijuana at home; Households
would be limited to four plants; Marijuana purchased at licensed retailers
would be taxed at 5 percent, down from 15 percent as originally proposed; ResponsibleOhio, which is backed by
deep-pocketed investors and an experienced political consulting team, wants to
ask voters in November to change the state constitution to legalize marijuana
for medicinal and recreational purposes. The group has identified 10 locations
for indoor growing facilities, including in Since the group is re-drafting the ballot
proposal, the sites could change. The city of The new home grow provisions are modeled
after “ResponsibleOhio’s
plan will allow those over 21 to grow their own marijuana for personal use, but
forbid their sale of marijuana to the public,” said ResponsibleOhio spokeswoman
Lydia Bolander in a written statement. “We believe that like alcohol, marijuana
can be used safely and should be tightly regulated. Adults over 21 years of age
are legally permitted to brew their own beer, but they aren’t permitted to sell
it. Our amendment will allow limited and tightly regulated home grow of
marijuana, but like home brewing, individuals will not be allowed to sell to
the public.”
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TonyB
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jan 12 2011 Location: Middletown, OH Status: Offline Points: 631 |
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Obviously, the people of ResponsibleOhio didn't talk to Mr. Adkins or anyone else before they put their plan together. I wonder who came up with the idea of using Middletown as a grow sight and who would have given them a "thumbs-up" to make such a public announcement. The only reason I wouldn't vote for this proposal is that it places a monopoly on marijuana in the state constitution. You as a private citizen couldn't grow it and could only buy it at a "state store". I also don't know what the status of industrial hemp would be under this proposal.
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over the hill
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 19 2012 Location: middletown Status: Offline Points: 952 |
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Right on V.V.
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