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TonyB, you make an excellent point which I want to amplify. The program is targeting for markets that have enormous problems in establishing market demand. Therefore, the solution, which arguably, is not even a band-aid, is to destroy capacity. In turn, some how, the economic theorists like Les Landen, which is not a macro-economist, states destruction of supply will spur elevation of valuation. That point, and fallacy, I have already made, as what remains unresolved, and simply, not properly focused, is the underlying need for demand.

And therein is the problem. Taking down houses in Middletown does nothing for demand, but diminishes  supply. If there was a reduction by 50% in supply, it would do nothing to elevate demand and valuation. A vacant lot isn't going to stimulate demand, in terms of new construction. There is an empty house now for two years, right across from Bill Triik who heads Middletown's Chamber of Commerce. Tearing down that house won't increase his valuation, as there is a glut of stable over-capacity around him.

Until Middletown can increase demand, which is highly unlikely, this program will accomplish nothing. And, it deploys capital that can be used for other purposes, into destruction that impacts only supply, but does not elevate demand. If anything, some % of funding should go to raising demand, but that is marketing, and heavy lifting, that the city cannot seem to ever get traction. The slow drip has become a fast drip, and exodus, with AK, Atrium, and others leaving. There has been no back-fill. Therein is the problem.

You bring up another good point on stabilization, but I am not certain if you mean stabilization associated with helping individuals avoid foreclosure or stimulating demand as you call it---rehabilitation. If I think I comprehend your term, the problem in that regard is quite simple. And that is you are using funds to fix up property that demand is just not there, in spite of the upgrades, and done at a capital loss, as the figures have shown. In reality, the rehabilitation efforts have driven valuation down, because the money put in makes that property, a more appealing acquisition target in a market full of over-supply, and just drives other property down associated with the investment in upgrades which aren't absorbed nor reflected, in higher price point.

This vicious cycle will never cease until demand increases. That is the chronic problem city leaders and council don't comprehend, and they simply don't know how to create market demand. Rather,its their  practices causing just the opposite, by lowering demand through higher taxation, no services, high water costs, and the other problems well documented.

Pushing a ton rock uphill by yourself at 90 degrees is an impossible task to accomplish. That is the demand problem Middletown has, the weight, the anchor, and the incline...just too steep to navigate and make progress and gain traction. One step forward, and four steps back, never gets the city up the hill to the summit. And so it continues.

Ever get your car stuck in snow 12 inches deep, and can't get out, the tires just spinning, going nowhere? That is Middletown's housing market. Demand is the removal of snow and a pull by a pick up truck to get back on dry asphalt. Supply fixation is plowing the main roads and awaiting for the temperature to rise in a few weeks, to melt the snow, to get your car moving again on a side road not plowed. Applying the wrong tool, and wrong use of capital to focus upon the wrong end of the problem.

As Bill Clinton would say, " its the demand stupid."  (not supply) Without demand, there will be a lot of houses being torn down...about 80% of Middletown---or the fire sale, which drives valuation downward. .Snow too deep, or quicksand, but the result is the same. You can't get traction, and just spin aimlessly.      
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Here is the problem with taking this council at its word. The funds that they are transferring were designated for a specific purpose. Suddenly, when something else comes along, the "specific purpose" is shunted aside for the new purpose. That's why there is so much confusion about funding in Middletown and so little trust in government. Funds that are designated for a specific purpose suddenly become available for something else. We play the shell game and transfer funds from one account to another until it no one can decipher which funds are designated for what project. If they tear down 300 homes in Middletown, not only will our neighborhoods look like war zones, but you'll be beat to death traveling on the roads through those neighborhoods. Does anyone realize what Middletown will look like with bare property in the middle of a street? Why isn't this money being used to leverage rehabilitation instead of demolition? Do you honestly think that people are going to want to buy the remaining homes when there are empty lots next to them? You also need to understand that a "brief" amount of time doesn't have any meaning here. Look at all the downtown real estate purchased for Cincinnati State and then realize it wasn't bought for that project at all; it was purchased so city council can determine the "outcome"!!! You bet the stakes are big!!! When every levy goes down to defeat because Middletown was able to come up with funds to tear down buildings but doesn't have the money to pay for public safety, what do you think will happen then?
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I'm sure that this is where we differ. Based on my limited amount of time following the city council, I am taking them at their word. They are on record that these funds will "ONLY" be used for this, specific, purpose and that they will only take possesion of the properties for a "BREIF" amount of time. I'm assuming that your experience tells you that it won't happen that way. For everybody's sake, let's hope that I am right on this one..... that stakes are big.

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GG, I respect your opinion. If I may clarify my point, I'd like to distinguish Middletown for the Michigan case study. My only problem with this investment, is Middletown has enormous other problems it is facing, the least of which is it is running (so it says), near a deficit. Its rainy day surplus used to be 25%, that is now drained to 15%. There are tax levies coming forth, and its infrastructure, road system, and general population appeal, is sinking.

Therefore, it is without justification, that the city will  take $1.2 Mm in capital, and as I understand it, admittedly, I am not a HUD/ NSP expert nor will exert the effort to become one, out of the General Fund, when they openly state they are going broke. If they are going broke, who pays for fire/ police, or do they think the public will absorb that expense, based upon funds they don't have, on some opinion there is leverage?

Granted, if Middletown has $15 Mm in surplus, and a targeted plan, it may be worth the investment, if nothing else, to stimulate the local economy. But they don't. Considering all factors, I simply see no justification for this added capital burden on a strained system, but I also admit, I am relying on the truthfulness of city council. Perhaps that is my error in judgment.

I see no reason for this expenditure when they state they need a tax levy, when they used funds from public safety elsewhere, when the last levy was passed. That is the issue I have with this arrangement. It tends to destroy city credibility when espousing you are going broke, and then vote 4-0 (with 3 members obviously not wanting to be part of this effort), to spend $1.2 Mm you say you don't have.

If you can explain that logic, I am all ears (or eyes). If I am wrong and the city can use federal HUD funds as a match, then why not put those funds to work on roads. This once again, appears on face, to be FIRE, READY, AIM. It would be worthwhile if they had a history of occasionally, hitting the intended target. 
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GG...

"While I agree with others that the city handled this legislation is a very poor manner, I must disagree with your assessment that the land banking provides no solution to Middletown's woes. If I'm not mistaken, the first land bank was established in Genesee County Michigan about 8 years ago and has been so successful, that many states, counties, and minicipalities are scrambling to copy the concept. Below, are exerpts of an article that I found on the subject. As you will see, there are many listed benefits and I can think of others that are not listed"

That's right GG. Under NORMAL circumstances, this Land Bank idea may work for 99 44/100 of the communities including Genesee County Michigan. HOWEVER, keep in mind, this is Middletown and with Middletown you get city leaders who have a track record of screwing up most of what they try. Time will tell how well the city leaders will do on accomplishing success on this program (or where the money actually went when we discover they used it for other purposes) I would imagine most who can evaluate the city leaders and have a knowledge of their accomplishments, would come to the conclusion that, given time, they will add to their mistakes through sheer incompetence.
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While I agree with others that the city handled this legislation is a very poor manner, I must disagree with your assessment that the land banking provides no solution to Middletown's woes. If I'm not mistaken, the first land bank was established in Genesee County Michigan about 8 years ago and has been so successful, that many states, counties, and minicipalities are scrambling to copy the concept. Below, are exerpts of an article that I found on the subject. As you will see, there are many listed benefits and I can think of others that are not listed.


Land Bank Benefits

While abandoned and vacant properties depress property values, discourage property ownership, and attract criminal activities in the surrounding area, a land bank provides tools to quickly turn these tax-reverted properties back into usable parcels that reinvest in the community's long-term vision for its neighborhoods. Land bank programs act as an economic and community development tool to revitalize blighted neighborhoods and business districts. Land banks can benefit urban schools, improve tax revenues, expand housing opportunities, remove public nuisances, assist in crime prevention and promote economic development.

By transferring vacant and abandoned properties to responsible land owners through a land bank program, local governments benefit because they avoid the significant cost burden of property maintenance, like mowing and snow removal, as part of their nuisance abatement responsibilities. In addition, local governments benefit from increased revenue because the new property owners pay taxes on the property. Also, the local schools benefit because they receive more funding when there is an increase in property owners in their school districts. Land bank programs can increase the variety of mixed-income housing offered and provide more opportunities for affordable housing. Also, land bank properties, which become owner-occupied, discourage criminal activit thereby benefiting public safety and decreasing the cost burden on the local police and fire departments. Finally, the more residents and businesses that occupy property in a neighborhood, the more services and amenities will be needed, which boosts local economic activity.

Case Study: Michigan's Land Banking Enabling Legislation

To better understand how land bank programs work, it is helpful to review a case study. Following is a case study of Michigan's Land Bank Enabling Legislation and Michigan's Genesee County land bank program. It is important to first review a State's particular Land Bank Enabling Legislation because these laws provide land bank programs with the legal and financial tools needed to operate and maintain a land bank.
Prior to January 2004, Michigan's tax foreclosure laws on abandoned properties were ineffective because local governments did not have the authority to effectively manage tax-reverted land and prevent blight. Now, Michigan has one of the most progressive land banking laws in the nation.

In January 2004, Governor Granholm signed into law the Land Bank Fast Track Legislation, Public Act (PA) 258, to provide communities with better legal and financial tools to put vacant and abandoned properties back into productive use. This law establishes a state land bank authority while also enabling the establishment of city and county land bank authorities. In addition, the law permits these authorities to expedite quiet title on properties, which it possesses, and make them available at nominal prices for productive reuse in the community. The quiet title process is a legal action that eliminates all liens and past claims on a property and clears the title so a new owner may purchase the property without worrying about any unresolved claims. In conjunction with PA 258, the Governor also signed into law four other related Public Acts:

PA 259 amends the Michigan Brownfield Redevelopment Act to allow any land bank authority owned property to be defined as "blighted property", which enables a tax increment financing board to provide assistance to a land bank authority with clearing or quieting a title, and disposing of property owned or held by a land bank authority.
PA 261 creates the Property Tax Exemption Act, which exempts property, with titles held by land bank authority, from taxes and exempts property sold by a land bank authority from general property taxes for five years.

PA 260 creates the Tax Reverted Clean Title Act to impose a specific tax, which would have the same rate of general property taxes for five years, on property sold by a land bank fast track authority. While one half of the revenue from this specific tax funds an authority's title clearance and land disposition costs, the remaining half is earmarked for local and state collecting units on a pro-rata basis.

PA 263 amends the General Property Tax Act to permit a foreclosing governmental unit to request a title product other than an unreliable title search to identify the owners of tax delinquent properties at the time of foreclosure and describe a reasonable process for identifying these owners and providing public notice to them.

Michigan's Genesee County Land Bank

In Michigan, Genesee County has been a leader in creating a successful land banking program. Under the Genesee County Land Bank Authority, tax foreclosed properties are held for a period of time before being returned to the market. This allows for the grouping of parcels together to provide a more attractive resale opportunity and the assessment of potential property owners to ensure that they will contribute to the long-term vision of the community.

The Genesee County Land Bank Authority has acquired title to more than 3400 land parcels, including nearly 6% in the City of Flint in the first three years of the program. They have successfully transferred 130 foreclosed tenant occupied properties to non-profit housing agencies, whose goal is to stabilize neighborhoods and encourage home ownership. In addition, the LBA has redeveloped a 30,000 sq. ft. mixed use building in downtown Flint, which has been empty since 1980, and they have assembled hundreds of empty lots for city development projects and local non-profit and community organization projects.

Land Banks as a Smart Growth Planning Tool

While other cities' land bank programs, like St. Louis, have been used primarily as a fiscal tool to stimulate growth in their communities, Genesee County's land bank program has been used as a planning tool to align with their communities' long-term redevelopment plans that provide the greatest benefit. When Michigan's Governor Granholm signed the latest land bank legislation in 2004, she said, "Together these new laws will help local planning officials to look at an entire area or region when developing land use plans." In addition, the Governor said, "To make headway against urban sprawl, we must think regionally and use new tools." Land bank programs are one of these smart growth tools that counter sprawl and revitalize the inner core of Michigan's cities. Based on Governor Granholm's state-wide smart growth goals, it is imperative that Michigan communities focus on city and region-wide planning instead of just fiscal objectives when implementing land bank programs.

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What those 4 done last night was nothing but another smack in the face to the taxpayers.Just shows people what happens behinde closed doors at the city building.Angry
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Bill, the efforts are there, Robinette, others; the market interest is not. All hyped when it began, then reality sets in.

Same will be with the effects of the Land Bank. Hype in beginning, "property values will rise." Reality sets in- no net positive sum gain. Same hype, same outcome. Failure.

If they can't take money washed in the General Fund from HUD, what will they do...take $1.2 Mm from a successful public safety levy to destroy property?

This council is like a group of very poor golfers. They take mulligans on every hole, and hold back the players behind them (the citizens progress), while they dabble on the tee each hole trying to keep the ball out of the rough. They miss hit, take a mulligan, and do it on every hole. These actions are not something that builds a legacy Mr. Mulligan and the foursome you play (actually the five-some, but Ann Mort just is the caddy).

It used to be council would say the city manager and staff take the lead on affairs, and they choose to approve/ disapprove, referring to council. It appears when Main Street is involved, that doesn't hold consistent.

Well, this is the result when you have attorneys whom practice before city employees acting as judge and magistrate, and two sons had a father work in the city water department. They protect the city employees, not your welfare common citizen.

June 21, 2012

Betsy Parr

Clerk of City Council

One Donham Plaza

Middletown, OH 45042

Dear Mrs. Parr:

This is to request that you call a special meeting of the Middletown City Council

on Tuesday, June 26, 2012 at 6:30 p.m. in the City Council Chambers.

Council will convene and receive and file the Special Meeting Documents. They

will then consider a motion to direct the City Manager to prepare materials to

participate in the Moving Ohio Forward Grant Program and will consider

legislation authorizing the same as well as legislation authorizing signing the

Memorandum of Understanding with the Butler County Land Reutilization

Corporation for the cooperative acquisition and banking of nonproductive real

property in Middletown.

Sincerely,

Lawrence P. Mulligan, Jr.





 
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I don't bother watching most of the council meetings, but is anyone mentioning the savior that is the East End.  What the heck is going on out there?  Is there any developer involved anymore?  For all the chatter about 5 years ago about how our success will be driven by the East End it sure is quiet.
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Anyone with an ability to think knows this offers absolutely no solution to Middletown's chronic and irreversible woes. Assuming you took out 10% of stock, its will continue to increase as time goes by. As stated earlier, when you have lost so much demand in the market for property in Middletown, it will take depleting (removing) 75% of stock to elevate home prices.Simply maintaining pace with CPI (inflation) is all that you could expect in the absolute nicest areas in Middletown. Factoring in future present value, most don't know their house would have to sell for double to break even with what they paid 15-20 years ago. Its selling at less than what was paid two decades today. I know of countless examples.

So, this knock-down will not accomplish anything, but help out Martin and others, whom the city throws some cash to for their support. It will be thrown downtown to raise the Main Street values (although demand will not rise- another fallacy in their thinking, but what else is new). This is an outcome when your city has no economic development strategy or know-how, and relies on state and fed funds as a revenue generator. Someone should put a new video up on youtube showing Ms. G, LL,  DA, and council doing cartwheels. They won the lottery as all else has failed to have any impact on funds, so its plan B---the fed trough of handouts to state. So much for Butler Cty and the phony baloney of the Tea Party influence.

Middletown has high taxes, terrible services, an ill school district,  bad reputation, failing streets and sewers, and about 10 other very serious problems. For that Mr. Landen, your match on state funds using federal HUD dollars, required about $250 Mm in cash.

But who knows, maybe its buried out in a coffee can by the airport runway, and you can leverage it for more bail out money to make Middletwn rise like a Phoexnix, out of its burning ambers. The land bank provides no traction, but when you are on soma as in Brave New World, there simply are no problems. Click both heels, .and wait a few seconds. Shut your eyes. There it is, I can see it. We all are back home in Kansas. It wasn't real, just a horrible nightmare.

The Wizard of Oz brought us home.
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"On Tuesday night, during a special Middletown City Council meeting, council voted 4-0 to support the county land bank’s application of a Moving Ohio Forward Grant from the Ohio Attorney General’s Office".

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"Last week, council sought to pass a resolution as emergency legislation showing interest in the grant. A six-vote super majority was needed since it was emergency legislation, but council voted 5-1, with Councilman Josh Laubach dissenting. Vice Mayor Dan Picard was out of town"

Well hell, if it was that easy to get what Mulligan and company wanted, why go through the exercise of emergency legislation and deal with a super majority vote of 6? Just wait, declare it a non-emergency, wait for your buddy, giving you the 4 votes needed and move on. Recurring theme with these clowns. Just change the theme, find the hole in the fence and slip on through.

The Black Hole of Laundering came through for them again. That money in the General Fund, the city's "landfill" for wayward, whitewashed funds, has, once again, become the savior for their desires. Is there any limit to their backdoor thinking? Any limits to their underhanded ways?

I like Leslie's comment....

“When you drive into the city, and you see blighted and vacant homes, does it make you want to move your family here, your business here?” Landen asked outside the City Building. “I don’t think so.”

LIKEWISE, LES BABES..... WHEN YOU DRIVE INTO THE CITY, AND YOU SEE EMPTY, GREENSPACES ALL OVER THE CITY, LOOKING LIKE SOME DESERTED GHOST TOWN, DOES IT MAKE YOU WANT TO MOVE YOUR FAMILY HERE....... WORKS BOTH WAYS. ONE THING TO KNOCK DOWN EVERYTHING IN SIGHT......ANOTHER TO REPLACE THE EMPTY LOT LEFT BEHIND AND THIS CITY IS NOT DOING THAT. THE CITY IS ONLY SOLVING HALF THE PROBLEM AND CALLING IT QUITS. YOU HAVE YOUR LITTLE PLANS TO KNOCK 'EM DOWN. WHAT IS YOUR PLAN TO REPLACE?

AND MULLIGAN, HAVING BLIGHTED HOUSES KNOCKED DOWN IS ALRIGHT BUT HAVING EMPTY LOTS IN THEIR PLACE SURELY ISN'T GOING TO INCREASE PROPERTY VALUES AS YOU MAY HOPE. JUST AS UNSIGHTLY IN A DIFFERENT ASPECT.
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What is the most used word in the dictionary spoken repeatedly by city leadership and council members?

You have 10 seconds....tick....tick....tick. Time is up.

HOPE. That says it all about Middletown. Hope it works, hope it gets done, hope it helps, hope it makes a difference. Hope----is not a vision, it is not execution. Hope is uncertainly praying for luck.

100% of this money laundered into the GF will be spent on Main Street. The cartel has spoken.

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From MJ:

Middletown to support land bank

By Rick McCrabb, Staff Writer 10:00 PM Tuesday, June 26, 2012

In the matter of 15 minutes, the city took “a huge step” toward correcting years of neglect, said Les Landen, the city’s law director.

“When you drive into the city, and you see blighted and vacant homes, does it make you want to move your family here, your business here?” Landen asked outside the City Building. “I don’t think so.”

On Tuesday night, during a special Middletown City Council meeting, council voted 4-0 to support the county land bank’s application of a Moving Ohio Forward Grant from the Ohio Attorney General’s Office.

The County Land Reutilization Corp., which is the still-forming county land bank, is applying for the $2.7 million state grant, and Middletown and Hamilton are potential beneficiaries of the grant, equally splitting the grant and the collective $2.2 million required match.

Last week, council sought to pass a resolution as emergency legislation showing interest in the grant. A six-vote super majority was needed since it was emergency legislation, but council voted 5-1, with Councilman Josh Laubach dissenting. Vice Mayor Dan Picard was out of town.

On Tuesday, with three council members — Anita Scott Jones, A.J. Smith and Laubach — unable to attend the meeting, there was little discussion and the vote took less than 15 minutes.

If the city is able to match the $1.1 million in grants, Community Revitalization Director Doug Adkins said 300 vacant and abandoned homes — about 10 percent of its such properties — would be demolished by Dec. 31, 2013.

He said the city is in the process of identifying possible dilapidated homes to be leveled.

Mayor Larry Mulligan said the city will seek the “worse of the worst,” and hopes following the demolition of the homes, property values in those neighborhoods will increase.

During the meeting, Dan Picard, who missed last week’s meeting, questioned how the city was going to match the grant. Landen told him the city would move the necessary money out of the city’s general fund, adjusting the budget. He called it “a pretty simple process,” then said the move was “perfectly above board.”

The Moving Ohio Forward Grant is money that was part of a federal settlement with multiple mortgage providers. The Ohio Attorney General’s Office was given the state’s portion of the multibillion-dollar settlement and set aside $75 million for the grant program designed to demolish dilapidated and abandoned homes.

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To Ms. Moon's point, this seems rather serious. Logically, how on earth could federal grants to used as funding for a state grant that matched what the federal grant provided? Why would not a city have to put some skin in the game to take care of the problem, or let the fed and state take care of it, with 0% funding? This is simply illogical.

As Middletown is riding the back of Hamilton, and Butler Cty, is Hamilton not putting money in either, relying on HUD funds? And if Hamilton does put in funds, how much, if any, would Middletown get when all the funding comes from Hamilton? Something seems a bit off kilter here.    

I further read you can't carry greater than 50% of HUD funds forward into the next fiscal year. Is that what Community Revitalization has been doing, stock-piling cash to use for the down payment for free money, and do they know they can't use these funds as their part of the 'down payment" bargain?

COURTESY OF HUD- the Taxpayer Shakedown leverage model.


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Originally posted by VietVet VietVet wrote:

Originally posted by TudorBrown TudorBrown wrote:

Can someone please summarize this for me?  What did I miss?



Yep

1. The city is trying to procure grant money to knock down 300 or more houses in town in quick fashion.

2. Council took a vote that required a "super majority" without Danny Picard present and, with Laubach's no vote, failed to achieve the vote requirements for approval.

3. Mulligan and company didn't like the outcome and it was announced in the Journal that there were members of council, who, after voting and losing, want another vote that will eliminate the outcome of the first declining vote.

4. Tonight's "special council meeting" (is this legal?) is for the purpose of reversing the original rejected vote in "super majority" fashion. Danny Picard will, no doubt, participate for the purpose of supporting Mulligan's side.

5. It is hoped AJ Amith and Scott-Jones (who were against this special meeting) will not participate (or vote no with Laubach), denying once again, Mulligan's desires in s. maj. fashion.

My best shot at what happened.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote greygoose Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun 26 2012 at 4:52pm
Remember….. The June 21st article in the Middletown Journal also had a paragraph that stated:

“But Butler County Treasurer Nancy Nix said Middletown may not need that meeting if city officials can say a resolution is forthcoming. “I think we’re still good,” said Nix, who met last week with a representative from the Attorney General’s Office. “The state wants to get this money out and is not putting up roadblocks. They’ve said, ‘We’ll work with you.’


This approach would not take “special meeting” that Smith & Jones are opposed to.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 409 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun 26 2012 at 3:36pm
I noticed the Ordinance & Resolution numbers have each been bumped up one number from last weeks numbers so they are considering these new items? Wow!
I believe a previous poster said the city only needs to notify Nancy Nix of intent by the end of the month.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote VietVet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun 26 2012 at 3:32pm
Originally posted by LMAO LMAO wrote:


Originally posted by 409 409 wrote:

As per usual, who knows what twists will occur.
Tonight's meeting is a first reading, so no vote will occur this evening.

This is a set up for next weeks meeting.

TV Middletown will telecast this evenings meeting.

How is it a first reading when it was voted on last week?Also  if Im not mistaken they have to have it approved by the end of June.


Good point. Since Landen and company are obsessed with declaring EVERYTHING an emergency and at times, hurrying up the process by skipping readings, I am surprised that this isn't a "super emergency" declaration to go with their "special meeting".
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote LMAO Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun 26 2012 at 3:19pm
Originally posted by 409 409 wrote:

As per usual, who knows what twists will occur.
Tonight's meeting is a first reading, so no vote will occur this evening.
This is a set up for next weeks meeting.
TV Middletown will telecast this evenings meeting.
How is it a first reading when it was voted on last week?Also  if Im not mistaken they have to have it approved by the end of June.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 409 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun 26 2012 at 3:15pm
As per usual, who knows what twists will occur.
Tonight's meeting is a first reading, so no vote will occur this evening.
This is a set up for next weeks meeting.
TV Middletown will telecast this evenings meeting.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote VietVet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun 26 2012 at 3:03pm
Originally posted by TudorBrown TudorBrown wrote:

Can someone please summarize this for me?  What did I miss?



Yep

1. The city is trying to procure grant money to knock down 300 or more houses in town in quick fashion.

2. Council took a vote that required a "super majority" without Danny Picard present and, with Laubach's no vote, failed to achieve the vote requirements for approval.

3. Mulligan and company didn't like the outcome and it was announced in the Journal that there were members of council, who, after voting and losing, want another vote that will eliminate the outcome of the first declining vote.

4. Tonight's "special council meeting" (is this legal?) is for the purpose of reversing the original rejected vote in "super majority" fashion. Danny Picard will, no doubt, participate for the purpose of supporting Mulligan's side.

5. It is hoped AJ Amith and Scott-Jones (who were against this special meeting) will not participate (or vote no with Laubach), denying once again, Mulligan's desires in s. maj. fashion.

My best shot at what happened.
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Was told that A.J.and Mrs.Scott Jones wasnt going to be there tonight so what happens now?
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June 27, 2012
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Middletown Council Members

I’m requesting that the legislation for the approval of the Moving Ohio Forward Grant Program vote be canceled until you find another funding source for this program.

Last Tuesday Mr. Adkins stood before the council and stated that HUD and the AG’s Office had approved the use of HUD Funds as the match for the Moving Ohio Forward Grant Program.

I spoke with the AG’s Office today and they have no record of an email or a phone call from Mr. Adkins requesting approval of this current plan.
The AG’s Office stated that moving HUD Funds to the General Fund would NOT be acceptable under the grant guidelines because the AG’s Office would consider them as contaminated funds.


Mike DeWine
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Moving Ohio Forward Grant Program
Demolition Guidelines
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”Federal funds, such as CDBG, NSP and HUD, are ineligible as matching funds unless the local government is in fiscal emergency as defined in Chapter 118 of the Revised Code.”

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Here is the link to tonight's AGENDA.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TudorBrown Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun 26 2012 at 1:32pm
Can someone please summarize this for me?  What did I miss?
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