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LH4
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Also...do any of you know that when the inspection group was in charge some of the lanlords did not get paid for months of rent at times.. because of their paperwork mishaps. How would any of you like to work for free for six months??
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LH4
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Before any of you pass judgement on Dan Tracy I would wait! If the people in charge of section 8 would get things straight the paper work would not be so screwed up. They have had different names to different addresses plenty of times. They have said numerous times a property has not been inspected yet when it was the week before!!! It's ironic how some of the lanlords are taking the fall for their program not being ran correctly and professionally. Huh.......maybe takes the heat off them.
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LMAO
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Looks like just another typical day at city hall.No one watching what the other is doing.Not caring if someone is ripping the city off big time.Why should they care?They(city) ripps us off everyday.Heads should roll for this but they wont cause we have "spineless ones" running Middletucky.
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Middletown29
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That is a first for you Vivian. Waiting for the rest of the story to pass judgement.
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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I heard horror stories from landlords and tenants concerning records and payments the first year and a half under Nelson & Assoc and the Inspection Group. And then you can add the major problems with the new software program that Mr. Adkins purchased. |
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digger-2
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If memory serves me correctly, weren't Nelson & Associates plus the Inspection Group responsible for ensuring that 'alleged' problems of this nature would be uncovered dating back to 2009?
I think that it might be a little premature for some to pass final judgement until all of the facts are available.
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Pacman
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 02 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2612 |
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409,
Looks like your right, 129 properties, hmmm if we are lucky he will get booted out of the program. Pacman
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Pacman
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I have been to several meetings and heard Dan Tracy speak. He always proclaimed how wonderful his Section 8 tenants were. and that they were even better than having a non section 8 tenant in one of his rentals. He usually showed up with 2 or 3 other section 8 landlords who proclaimed the same thing. I guess he is right when he is collecting money and have no section 8 tenant in the unit. I use to always shake my head when I would hear him speak knowing that he was being less than truthful.
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swohio75
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 13 2008 Status: Offline Points: 820 |
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Mr. Tracy went before council and self-professed that was biggest Section 8 landlord in Middletown.
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409
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Pacman.....Dan Tracy has an interesting array of properties listed under 'Merg Properties LLC' on the BC website. Many chances for..........
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SEEKING THE TRUTH
MUSA Resident Joined: Oct 17 2012 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 62 |
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JUST WHAT POSITION DOES MARTY KOHLER HAVE AS OF TODAY IN THE CITY MANAGEMENT AND WHERE DID HE RANK WHEN THIS HAPPENED ????
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SEEKING THE TRUTH
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Have you heard anything about MPHA letters or letters from Doug Adkins sent to the tenants on MPHA demanding that they pay old water bills to the city of Middletown water department that have nothing to do with the unit that they are living in or any unit that that they lived in while on the program that was on the paid for by the program if so do you think this could be a violation of there civil rights on the section 8.
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Pacman
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Today's Middletown Journal HeadlineLandlord arrested in Section 8 investigation
By Michael D. Pitman So Section 8 isn't a problem huh???!!!Staff Writer MIDDLETOWN — Monday’s arrest of a Section 8 landlord is the fourth this year as part of a Section 8 fraud investigation that’s been ongoing for nearly two years. Dan Tracy, 65, of Middletown, was arrested after a warrant for theft, a fifth-degree felony, was signed, said Middletown police Lt. Scott Reeve. Police say Tracy collected federal money from a vacant apartment. Since the investigation began in early 2011, police said seven landlords have been arrested for allegedly defrauding the Section 8 program, which is through the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. The HUD Inspector General is aiding the Middletown police in its investigation. Tracy was arraigned in Middletown Municipal Court on Wednesday morning. A pretrial hearing is set for Oct. 31. Reeve said Tracy could face an additional charge allegedly providing a fraudulent lease in order to turn on city water for a tenant with a past due water bill (Section 8 guidelines say a voucher holder must pay all back utilities or they would be removed from the program). Tracy deferred comment on Thursday to his attorney, Christopher Atkins, who could not be reached for comment. In September 2011, five people — two landlords and three tenants — were arrested on felony-level theft charges. The city is looking to reduce its number of Section 8 vouchers by 1,008 over the course of five years, according to a city corrective action plan approved by city council earlier this week. The plan, which addressed why the city is under the acceptable 95 percent threshold of issued vouchers, has been sent to HUD for consideration. City officials are uncertain if HUD would accept this plan, but if it is accepted the number of vouchers would drop from 1,662 to 654. Section 8 arrests in 2012 Here is who has been arrested this year in the ongoing Section 8 faud investigation by the Middletown Division of Police: Jerry Robinson, arrested April 2, charged with theft, a fifth-degree felony. He is scheduled … Silas Lewallen, arrested on June 14, charged with theft, a fifth-degree felony. He is scheduled … Author Baker, arrested on June 25, charged with theft, a fifth-degree felony. He pled guilty to theft on ????? Dan Tracy, arrested on Oct. 15, charged with theft, a fifth-degree felony. He is scheduled to appear for a preliminary hearing in Middletown Municipal Court on Oct. 31. Pacman
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Pacman
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LH4,
Are you a Landlord? or are you a Leasee in the Section 8 scene? I have a feeling you are a Landlord. Pacman |
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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EXACTLY LH4!!!! YOU JUST DESCRIBED THE MALAISE OF THE SECTION 8 PROGRAM INUNDATING THE CITY. THE CITY OFFERS YOU SECTION 8 RENTERS, THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN TO FILL YOUR HOMES AND YOU ARE REWARDED BY THEM DESTROYING YOUR PROPERTIES. SO WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO BYPASS THE CITY OFFER AND LOOK INTO THE NON-SECTION 8 RENTAL SCENE AND MAKE YOUR PROPERTIES MORE ATTRACTIVE TO THE RENTERS WHO WOULDN'T DESTROY YOUR PROPERTIES? THERE ARE RENTERS OTHER THAN SECTION 8 AND THEY MAY WANT TO LIVE IN A HOUSE RATHER THAN AN APARTMENT FOR THE SAME BALLPARK RENT, RIGHT? |
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VietVet
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That's right, LH4, I have never had anyone come up to me and ask me for money in this town. Might be that my work takes me out of town each day, I don't see the workings of the town each day as you may see it and I travel around town very infrequently as I'm tied to my home most of the time. Dunno
"If you are trying to say I am from the "ghetto" you are way off" Nope, never said YOU were from the ghetto. I called the Section 8 program a ghetto builder. I singled out no one, just the program as a whole and the image it portrays. "Do you never go to McDonalds, Subway or the mall? Ask around in your circle of friends, perhaps within your church,if none of them have ever been asked for money in Middletown?" Nope, unfortunately not as much as I use to. When not working in Dayton, take care of my wife who is paralyzed. No time these days to "get out and see the sights". "Make rent competitive?? You have no idea what you are talking about" You may be right here. I am not familiar with the renter/Section 8 renter thing. Just trying to suggest an alternative for you to fill your homes with renters other than Section 8, that's all. "Yes... when you remodel your properties you spend a lot of money.. And pay labor!" But how often do you remodel? Every year? Every 3 years? Do your Section 8 people destroy your properties on a frequent basis? If so, why would you want to headaches? "You forgot to mention the schools??? Parents look at that first!" Oh, if you knew me and have read my posts, I NEVER forget the schools and their pathetic performance the last 3 decades. I'm a big proponent of abolishing it all and starting over with rebuilding the school district. I'm well aware of what the surrounding communities have to say about the Middletown schools and the low opinions people have nowadays. Wasn't like that in the 50's and 60's when I went through this system. Topnotch back then. |
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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Never had anyone ask you for $$, Vet??
Come hang with me for a few hours!! A lot of truth in what both of you have to say...... Section 8 has become a partial scapegoat for many local issues Admin created the glut-- don't blame the needy for participating in the program, or landlords for renting into the program. HOWEVER The glut has crippled our schools, police/fire, businesses and Family Services The % needs to be reduced Many landlords bought properties specifically to take advantage of the situation When the voucher #s decrease, these landlords must find new tenants, and probably charge lower rents They rode it up the hill, now comes the ride back down Just be appreciative of what you had for as long as you had it jmo
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LH4
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Your right... my point exactly..Landlords spend a lot of money remodeling! If you had hundreds of tenants you would rent section 8. If that is the only people coming into Middletown. |
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LMAO
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LH I have a few homes that I rent out and none of them do I have rented out to section 8 people.There are a few reasons why I dont and the main one is after they lived there for a while and destroy your place and you have to fix it back to the way it was before you are out alot of money.Try to collect from them what your out.The deposit you take from them doesnt even begain to fix it back up.
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LH4
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Circles in town? If you are trying to say I am from the "ghetto" you are way off. Maybe you should talk to someone beyond your circle.
Do you never go to McDonalds, Subway or the mall? Ask around in your circle of friends, perhaps within your church,if none of them have ever been asked for money in Middletown? Make rent competitive?? You have no idea what you are talking about.. all apartments in the city have LOWER there rent. Every one of them! No deposit special etc... That has nothing to do with section 8! Most of the apartment complexes do accept section 8. If they do not ask what the vacancy rate is? Yes... when you remodel your properties you spend a lot of money.. And pay labor! You forgot to mention the schools??? Parents look at that first! |
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VietVet
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So basically LH4, you are saying that Section 8 landlords must have Section 8 tenants or your houses will remain empty, right? There is an alternative to filling your houses without the Section 8 HUD handouts to landlords......make your house rent competitive enough to attract the apartment dwellers and pull from the apartment renters segment of society. That way your houses stay full, we don't have to put up with Section 8 crime, lowering of image, and a ghetto mentality reputation with the surrounding area.
No matter how you slice it, Section 8, especially with the overabundance this city has, is detrimental to this city and a program we don't need, given all the other problems we have. I have a hard time believing that the Section 8 clientele (as well as landlords) in this city help in the money spending department to any great degree. You state.... "Speaking of that I have personally had people come up to me and ask me for money at different locations around Middletown....those are not the people on the program" And how would you know this? I have not experienced people coming up and asking me for money and I've been here for decades. Perhaps we travel in different circles within the city. "You can blame section 8... but if you take away that housing you will see a lot more empty houses.. and businesses failing" Please explain. "Mr. Adkins need to look at why people are not moving into Middletown. It's not because of section 8 vouchers!! " But it's certainly part of why people aren't moving here. Section 8, right or wrong, is looked upon as ghetto and undesirable to be around. It devalues property, increases the crime potential and attracts the criminal element (ask the cops if crime hasn't increased in town) and tarnishes the image of a city.....especially as inundated as Middletown has become. |
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LH4
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There is a lot of inaccurate information that has been on this forum.
First.. 15 years ago some landlords did not have to rent section 8. You could rent properties to people who had decent jobs in Middletown. To have your properties pass section 8 inspections there is a list that has to be done. Take a look at all the little things that have to be done. Many of your homes would not pass. If you look around Middletown.. The homes you see with broken glass, falling apart, etc.. THESE ARE NOT SECTION 8. There are a lot of landlords that live in Middletown. They have family, friends and businesses in Middletown. Their children go to school in Middletown. Of course they care about the crime in Middletown... and they report any people committing crimes. Also they can and sometimes are terminated from the program. No landlord wants any crimes or trouble at a property! Speaking of that I have personally had people come up to me and ask me for money at different locations around Middletown....those are not the people on the program. If landlords do not rent section 8 (BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE IS COMING TO MIDDLETOWN ) you will have properties empty! No income means no taxes paid, foreclosures, no money for local businesses and NO MONEY FOR THE CITY! If you were looking at a new city to move into would you choose Middletown??? Professional people that do have money to buy housing and spend in Middletown do not choose Middletown. Sad but true... If you are from out of town and drive into Middletown what's the first thing you notice? Let's see.. a dilapidated mall. People that have money want a place to spend it. They want quality shopping. The Towne Mall deal should have been done years ago. What did the City of Middletown do?? Then let them look up the Middletown City Schools report cards.. Which is one of the first things parents do when considering a city to move into. Most schools are rated effective and some rated academic emergency! If you had a choice of public schools would you choose this city? NO. Landlords having to rent section 8 are not the problem..they are trying to keep a business together that costs a lot of money to run and maintain. They spend A LOT of money in Middletown!! You can blame section 8... but if you take away that housing you will see a lot more empty houses.. and businesses failing. Mr. Adkins need to look at why people are not moving into Middletown. It's not because of section 8 vouchers!! |
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VietVet
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Council giveth Section 8 and now council will try to taketh away. They are their own worst enemy on this. When they voted for this, what did they think would happen down the road, unleashing this blight on the city?
I really like this from Adkins...... "Adkins said having no subsidized housing is not beneficial to a city, but too much can harm a city’s progress" Why.....that's brilliant Douggie, simply brilliant!! And now the real reason this blight was brought to the city, courtesy of Danny P....... Vice Mayor Dan Picard, like Smith, said he was concerned with HUD deciding to take away funding. Adkins said the city can only control the city’s allotment of Section 8 vouchers, which grew from 774 from 1999 to 1,662 by 2005 Why did council/city officials allow this number to increase if it is now a concern? (other than receiving fed bucks that is) Section 8 housing has cost the city an annual loss of $111,324 in property tax revenues — which according to the city’s 2012 proposed budget could fund a fully equipped police officer or firefighter. Again, if the city knew this, why did they ramp up the program? All of a sudden, this highly prized program a few years ago.....this beacon for fed dollars and revenue for the city, seems to have become a cancer to them now. Ignorance abounds in the city building. Will we ever see them make a good decision regarding the operation of this city? |
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409
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From MJ:
Council approves plan to reduce Section 8 By Michael D. Pitman
Staff Writer MIDDLETOWN — The city will move forward into “uncharted territory” with its proposal to remove more than 1,000 Section 8 vouchers over the course of five years. A 142-page proposal, which was released Tuesday, outlines the city’s case to remove the vouchers over five years through attrition — meaning vouchers will not be recirculated as people come off the program. “This is uncharted territory,” said Doug Adkins, Community Revitalization director. “I’m unaware of anyone trying to do something of this magnitude.” The plan was developed in response to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development’s request for a corrective action plan as the city is below the minimum required number of vouchers that need to be issued, which is 95 percent, or 1,579. As of August, only 1,424 vouchers are issued. Council during its Middletown Public Housing Agency Board meeting Tuesday voted 6-1 in support of the proposal. Councilman A.J. Smith opposed the proposal. “I thought the loss outweighed the gain,” Smith said explaining his vote. Smith said the city could lose upwards of $2.3 million in potential HUD-based funding — such as community development block grants, the Neighborhood Stabilization Program, and the HOME Investment Partnerships Program —in addition to the economy of the program. Adkins said it could be a year or two before the threat of any funding cuts would be considered, and by that time, he said, council could then decide the fight is too monumental. The city has about 500 Section 8 landlords with about 1,400 Section 8 properties, and Adkins said the goals of the Section 8 program aren’t being achieved. But council is not without concern. Vice Mayor Dan Picard, like Smith, said he was concerned with HUD deciding to take away funding. Adkins said any decision must include a detailed explanation why and at any time council can drop the issue. But if the city feels HUD’s reasoning isn’t supported by statutory regulations, Middletown can take HUD to federal court. “That concerns me,” Picard said. “I’m an attorney, and we’re talking about serious dollars if we talk about getting in one of those matches with HUD.” Adkins said having no subsidized housing is not beneficial to a city, but too much can harm a city’s progress. There are more than 2,500 Section 8 voucher families living in housing within Butler County, according to the adopted plan. The city has 66.4 percent of those vouchers. In the 12 other Butler County communities with Section 8 housing, Middletown has nearly double of the rest of the county combined. Adkins said 1,662 Section 8 vouchers — which is 49.8 percent of all subsidized housing in Middletown and 14.3 percent of all available housing in the city — does not allow the city to succeed. The 654 Section 8 vouchers would reduce all subsidize housing to 10 percent of all available housing in the city. “It is not the root of our problems, but simply one area that needs our attention at this time,” said Adkins. Other subsidized housing includes programs offered by the Butler Metro Public Housing Agency, HUD directly and the Low-Income Housing Tax Credit. Adkins said the city can only control the city’s allotment of Section 8 vouchers, which grew from 774 from 1999 to 1,662 by 2005. About 200 vouchers are turned over annually for various reasons, he said, but any voucher holder will retain it so long they remain compliant with program regulations. Exceeding the proposed 10 percent threshold of the total available housing would “cause more problems than benefits to the city,” according to the report. An example within the report contends that within a 1,000-foot an area with few subsidized housing units, home sale prices increased. However, if there is a concentrated amount of subsidized housing, home sales prices dropped within a 2,000-foot radius. The report also contends more affluent residents pay the bulk of local taxes, property values in concentrated subsidized housing areas are assessed $35,500 lower than in other areas of the city, and Section 8 housing has cost the city an annual loss of $111,324 in property tax revenues — which according to the city’s 2012 proposed budget could fund a fully equipped police officer or firefighter. Landlord Jeff Faulkner, who owns Section 8 and non-Section 8 properties in three area counties, including in Middletown, said reducing 1,008 vouchers is too much, and believes it won’t happen. He said if there are people staying at the Hope House, a homeless shelter, then there’s a need in the city. “If they take the vouchers and return them, I would expect HUD to step in and pursue avenues to make sure people have housing,” Faulkner said. Adkins anticipates some type of action by HUD — likely a “strong response” — but he is confident the city is not violating any HUD regulations. Vouchers issued to the city by HUD The city currently has 1,662 Section 8 vouchers, but are are far below the 95 percent compliance rate as mandated by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. In 1999, the city of Middletown had 774 Section 8 vouchers issued by HUD. Here’s how they have increased since then: Year | New vouchers added | Total number of vouchers Dec. 1, 1999 | 75 | 849 May 1, 2000 | 50 | 899 Sept. 1, 2000 | 55 | 954 Nov. 1, 2000 | 200| 1154 Oct. 1, 2001 | 200 | 1354 Jan. 1, 2003 | 200 | 1554 Oct. 1, 2005 | 108 | 1662 Source: city of Middletown |
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Pacman
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{Landlord Missy McCall, who said she’s not familiar with the proposal, would be okay with a reduction in Section 8 vouchers so long as those who need the assistance get the assistance. “What about those people who are having crises that is just developed,” she said. “We can’t always budget our crises when we need assistance.” But she said the administration needs to do what’s best for the city, the people on the program and the landlords “so there’s a balance.”}
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