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TonyB
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jan 12 2011 Location: Middletown, OH Status: Offline Points: 631 |
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Vivian,
I know Mr. Landen personally and am sure that he would answer them. I wouldn't presume upon our friendship, however. Not to mention, since Mr. Landen is the city's attorney, he would have a conflict of interest problem with an impartial answer. That's why I would like someone with no affiliation to the city to answer the questions I raised; not that I think that Mr. Landen couldn't do it, but that his answers would be biased because of his employment status. |
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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TonyB
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jan 12 2011 Location: Middletown, OH Status: Offline Points: 631 |
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Vivian,
You raised an interesting point with me concerning the city manager's statement that MMF is not a city board. According to their website (which hasn't been updated since 2008),"Middletown Moving Forward CIC is a non-profit, public/private organization charged with directing the city's economic development priorities. The organization was founded in 2005 as a partnership of the city and the Chamber of Commerce and includes representation from the community's two largest employers, AK Steel and Atrium Medical Center." If you are a "public/private partnership" you are subject to Ohio Sunshine Laws. There is no possible way that this is not a city board because the city is instrumental in the creation of this board. The city has representation on this board. If the city and city officials are involved, it must be a city board. I'd like to see an impartial, legal opinion about this because it seems to me that city officials are deliberately hiding from the public information that the public, by law, should have access. That would be illegal, and furthermore, malfeasance on the part of city officials involved in this organization. Just wondering... |
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ground swat
MUSA Citizen Joined: Mar 31 2011 Status: Offline Points: 367 |
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The same reason the election turned out like it did. That's why.
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Bocephus
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 04 2009 Status: Offline Points: 838 |
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Very good question.
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rngrmed
MUSA Citizen Joined: May 06 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 309 |
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We know Middletown Journal won't post citizen comments, is it possible for MiddletownUSA to go out and see what the Community feels about this donation?
Maybe get some press for the website as well. |
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rngrmed
MUSA Citizen Joined: May 06 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 309 |
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The bigger question is why are only a few people in this town concerned about this?
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middletownscouter
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 11 2010 Location: Sunset Park Status: Offline Points: 501 |
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We had to spend nearly $80k this year to demolish a municipal pool we couldn't find about $55k to operate - scratch that, under $40k to operate since there was still $20k in a fund from AK - but we can give over $1mm to the golf course each year and on top of that give $75k to a group for which almost no actual concrete information is publicly released.
Also, you can search through a list of all charities on the IRS' website. Middletown Moving Forward does not appear on the list. Which doesn't mean they aren't a non-profit, but it does mean they don't have tax exemption from the federal government meaning any donations made are not tax deductible. http://www.irs.gov/charities/article/0,,id=96136,00.html |
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TonyB
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jan 12 2011 Location: Middletown, OH Status: Offline Points: 631 |
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Vivian,
How can they NOT be a city board? Who created this entity? What is their mission statement? More importantly, if they are not a city board, why is the city giving them money?!!! |
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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TonyB Ms Judy stated that MMF was not a City Board therefore their meeting minutes are not made public...The City Council called the gift of $75,000 seed money.
It was also stated that MMF would not need to report back to City Council to explain where or on what projects they have spent the $75,000. |
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TonyB
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jan 12 2011 Location: Middletown, OH Status: Offline Points: 631 |
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Vivian,
Has there been any report on how successful they've been at grant writing? Any report at all about what they've done for the past 6 years? Is there any report from this group that is a matter of public record? I don't understand how this group could be working for the city for the last 6 years and no one (except the members of this group) have any idea of what they've done. I don't care that members of the city administration are members; the voting public have a right to know what is being done!!! Usually, for a 501-C3 to get money from a governmental entity, they must supply a matching amount. $10,000 doesn't seem to match $75,000 the city is giving to this group. Too many ?s, no answers. |
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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TonyB I don’t believe that a date was given for when MMF had started collecting investments for Downtown Area or what they have been doing for the past 6 years other than advising the City. |
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TonyB
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jan 12 2011 Location: Middletown, OH Status: Offline Points: 631 |
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Vivian,
For movers and shakers, MMF doesn't seem to be very effective at persuading investors. Been around since 2005 and only raised $10,000? Hell, you could put a homeless person on the street corner with a sign and they'd make more than $10,000 in 6 years!!! Besides, what was said yesterday has no validity today!!! Promise? What promise? |
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Spiderjohn
This has been the direction that the City has wanted to go for the last 10 years. They are going to buy the Sorg Opera House no matter what. They will use every available grant that can be written and every dime in the downtown fund to accomplish this goal. Not to worry come January they will have all the votes they need to build THEIR DOWNTOWN VISION. The City Council has already decided the only way we are going to get money for our street repairs are to add the cost to the Water Bills…It was a sad thing to watch as they threw Josh under the bus last night. Last night Ms Judy stated that the “Downtown Funds” could be used outside the downtown core……Really? Well Ms Judy that is not what you and your staff have told me over the past 7 years about these funds. And just think…..at the last council meeting we were going broke… |
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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1. Sorg Opera House
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TonyB
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jan 12 2011 Location: Middletown, OH Status: Offline Points: 631 |
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Bill,
The hunks of useless properties seem to generate interest; however, if that interest is not in line with the city's Master Plan, then the properties don't get sold. I seem to remember Senior Citizen's wanted Swallen's. How did that one turn out? In regards to the Sorg Opera House, the previous owners had interest in the building to such an extent that they had exclusive rights to bid on the building. The fact that they trashed the building notwithstanding. There is market value to be had in these buildings, the question is what purpose, who is doing the rehab and who is paying for it? |
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LMAO
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 28 2009 Location: Middletucky Status: Offline Points: 468 |
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They didnt give a specific reason only to put in there acct.
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LMAO
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 28 2009 Location: Middletucky Status: Offline Points: 468 |
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The real and only question should be is if any Tom,Dick or Harry that starts a secrect club as I consider the M efer's to be could they go to the SPINELESS ONES and ask for 75k? Myself I think someone needs to contact the AG and see if they can start a investigation on the crooked deals this dead ass city has done.
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acclaro
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1878 |
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These threads are many times a moving target, this one no exception. Perhaps someone can explain as I don't listen to blivtv or watch council meetings, what the $75 Kk was for Sorg that was tied to MMF? Next, I agree with Bill. Middletown is tearing down old buildings, trying to make as much greenfield or borwnfield as possible. It cleans up the trash, wasteland, and does open up the area. But, to TonyB's point Bill, if the Sorg has proven it has no redeeming market value for years, and neither has the Manchester, why was the Manchester bought? But, the buildings will either be torn down or refurbished. Economically I cannot see how they could be restored without massive outlays which would justify their investment.
I would be interested in anyone knows, the salient link to MMF and Sorg, how, why, a front, a cloak, a gift, as I have no idea. |
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Bill
MUSA Citizen Joined: Nov 04 2009 Status: Offline Points: 710 |
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What is there not to understand about the "demolition mindset"? I'd rather the city get rid of a crappy piece of property that sits for years virtually unused. There has been no free market solution for that building, so what is the point of "looking to sell to investors"?? The investors could have bought it 6 months ago, 6 years ago, even 16 years ago.
I'm not sure TonyB what solution you think is out there when the free market has proven that there ie no market for hunks of junk properties.
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TonyB
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jan 12 2011 Location: Middletown, OH Status: Offline Points: 631 |
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sj,
Your ?s are valid if this money is actually planned for the purchase of the Sorg Opera House. I haven't seen any plans that state this money is for that purpose. I do dispute the statement that nothing positive has happened there in 20 years. Of course, the definition of "nothing positive" would come into question because I have no idea what you would consider "positive". Obviously, any show that has occurred during the past 20 years in the Opera House would fall into the "nothing positive" category. Any of the businesses previously there would fall into your category of "nothing positive" as well. The most recent previous owners have undone in 5 years what took 25 yrs to accomplish at the Sorg. Now the building sits empty and neglected so your "solution" is just tear it down. While I have no desire to see the city buy more real estate, I can't understand the sentiment for bulldozing more of this town's history. I agree that tax payer money shouldn't be used but if the choice is city ownership of the property or the bulldozer, then buying the building is the only practical solution. If the city would start looking to sell buildings to investors, I'd look even more favorably upon their efforts. I just cannot understand the thought process behind the demolition mindset. |
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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Sorg Opera House? And who will do the repairs for how much--paid for by whom?More art in an area 3 blocks away from our current art mecca? To be open when and for? I was looking at a piece of property within that strip. Was scared off because there is nothing of substance on that two-block strip on S Main, and saw the area as honestly in need of being leveled since nothing positive has happened there in 20 years. |
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rngrmed
MUSA Citizen Joined: May 06 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 309 |
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I find it odd that the Mulligans raised over $10k each to run their campaigns, but I don't recall seeing many signs for them. I saw 1 for Joe out on 122 in West Middletown and I got a flyer for him even though I am in the 3rd ward. What was all this money used for? |
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rngrmed
MUSA Citizen Joined: May 06 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 309 |
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Maybe MMF always declares an Executive Session |
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jag123
MUSA Resident Joined: Nov 05 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 143 |
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This was to buy the Sorg. Perhaps it will be another Art "showplace" for Sam to put his works.
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