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    Posted: Nov 15 2011 at 9:45pm
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Maybe the "new" council to be seated after the first of the year will be more supportive of Mr. Laubach??? Wink LOL LOL LOL
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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I have just finished watching most of the replay of the City Council meeting held Tuesday evening, 11/15/2011.  I missed most of the citizens’ comments portion.  I’m sorry that I did.  If the last citizen was any indication, it must have been interesting.

Unlike most city council meetings, I did not review the workbook ahead of time over the weekend, so I was seeing things for the first time as I watched the replay.

Several times during this meeting we heard comments such as: “We don’t know what will happen after the first of the year, when the new council is seated.”  I disagree with this sentiment.  I think that we do “know what will happen”.  I think that the “new” council will be exactly like the “old” council, and that nothing will change.  Don’t look for anyone to seek additional funds for roads and streets (unless they are roads and streets downtown or in the historic districts) and don’t look for anyone to buck the administration.  The public was offered choices and they chose business as usual.  That is what they will get.

I viewed the passage of Ordinance O2011-55, the incentive grant for Barrett Paving, with great interest.  Now it’s not that I am against Barrett.  Quite the opposite—I welcome them to the city and I think that they will be a good corporate citizen—and we certainly need the jobs.  It’s just that usually the tax incentives given in such cases are PROPERTY tax incentives!!!  I have never before been aware of our city collecting the city’s INCOME TAX from a company’s employees and then giving 45% of that tax back to the EMPLOYER!!!  In fact, it sounds illegal to me, but what do I know???  But how can a municipality have a payroll tax of 1.75% on most workers in the city, yet tax some workers at an effective rate of only 1.1375%, via a 45% rebate through their employer???

We can guess how much actual consideration the “objector” will get before the new “South Main Street Decorative Street Light Assessment Equalization Board”.  We can base that guess on the tremendous openness with which that board was announced and the members were selected.

Lastly, I do feel sort of vindicated after hearing some of the comments from council members during the fire department budget discussions.  Some of you may recall that, during the Candidates’ Forum held at the Community Center before the election, I declined to state my personal stance on State Issue 2 (SB 5) and explained that since contracts were being negotiated at that time with city unions and at least the three, and possibly five, of the people at that Forum would be required to vote on the contract, I thought it would be inappropriate to indicate our stance on Issue 2 at that time.  Shortly thereafter at least three people accused me of using that as a “cop out”, as a way to sort of “straddle the line” on the issue with the voters.  Apparently someone has spoken with the council members in the meantime, since now nearly everyone (except Mr. Smith) was careful to avoid stating their views on issues related to collective bargaining, and some even revisited their earlier comments to “hedge” on them.  I just had more experience with collective bargaining issues than the others at the Forum and I was simply trying to do the right thing.  I wasn’t trying to turn it into an election issue.

“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Originally posted by Mike_Presta Mike_Presta wrote:



Maybe the "new" council to be seated after the first of the year will be more supportive of Mr. Laubach??? Wink LOL LOL LOL


I see Laubach on an island again with no support from any other councilperson. I see a continuation, as you have mentioned, of the same direction, same priorities, which are dictated to council by MMF hierarchy, same mis-appropriations of money with funds shifting from fund to fund without accountability (mystery accounting), same old "Gilleland finding money she didn't know she had to pay for a special project for a special friend of the city, same old citizen exclusion if outside the box of influence and the club, same old lack of emphasis on job creation, same old concentration of the downtown area with little to no focus on any other part of town (except the Kohler/Mulligan S. Main St. "we're special" network), same old neglect of the streets, same ole' same ole'. Disgusting behavior from people with no morals, scruples, class nor character. Why are we so lucky to be able to choose such fine upstanding citizens as these to run this burg as they do? Guess the exciting part for all of us is when is AJ Smith going to provide us with more of his entertainment and what will he do next to add to his resume, who will Gillland hire next to do her thinking for her and what will the city leaders say to the public if Cincy State fails to materialize, with an explanation on how the money spent was justified? Should be entertaining.
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Vet,

Entertainment should not be occurring in council chambers and at the City Building. There are enough venues for that. Besides, who wants to watch a rerun?

Mr P,

Thank you for running for council. While your didn't get elected, you did make the effort to participate in the governing process and that counts for something. Too bad we don't have a commercial TV station in town; you'd now be qualified to be a pundit on the "infotainment" programs!!! lol

I am concerned about this council designating income tax rebates to specific businesses. Doesn't sound "legal" to me. Does this mean that the city can hike the rate on businesses that it wants to remove from the city? Is this the new way to attract business to town? As much cry and hue as there is about Section 8, what makes this any different? It's just corporate welfare; if they really wanted to have an effect, they should lower the income tax rate on those employees that actually live in town. What's the point of rebating income taxes to people who don't live and spend their money in Middletown?
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Originally posted by TonyB TonyB wrote:

Vet,

Entertainment should not be occurring in council chambers and at the City Building. There are enough venues for that. Besides, who wants to watch a rerun?

Mr P,

Thank you for running for council. While your didn't get elected, you did make the effort to participate in the governing process and that counts for something. Too bad we don't have a commercial TV station in town; you'd now be qualified to be a pundit on the "infotainment" programs!!! lol

I am concerned about this council designating income tax rebates to specific businesses. Doesn't sound "legal" to me. Does this mean that the city can hike the rate on businesses that it wants to remove from the city? Is this the new way to attract business to town? As much cry and hue as there is about Section 8, what makes this any different? It's just corporate welfare; if they really wanted to have an effect, they should lower the income tax rate on those employees that actually live in town. What's the point of rebating income taxes to people who don't live and spend their money in Middletown?

Tony B,

Than you for your kind words.
 

More importantly, regarding using the payroll tax as an economic development incentive, consider this:Many of the employees of this business probably currently reside in municipalities other than Middletown.  Most of those municipalities probably have a 1.5% (or lower) city income tax.  Middletown cannot lower the rate that these residents pay to the cities where they reside.  Yet, after receiving  the 45% of the payroll tax kickback, the employer could elect to pass it along back to the employee, in effect lowering the rate that they pay in their city of residence.  In effect, Middletonians now not only pay the highest payroll income tax in the area, but also will be subsidizing the lowering of the tax rate that some people pay in other municipalities with even lower rates!!!

“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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The asphalt will not be coming.
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Mike,
 
Mrs. Gilleland was not (and still is not) qualified as City Manager in a municipality like Middletown.
 
Her penchant to act upon the advice of Kohler, Adkins, etc. is accelerating the downward spiral of our once proud home.
 
Thanks once again to Paul Nagy, Nick Kidd and you for seeking election to the city council.  Your efforts were not in vain.
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Acclaro,

Of course the use of tax incentives is not uncommon.  It happens all of the time, and I am certainly not opposed to it.

However, usually such incentives are property tax incentives.  That is, the company saves (or is rebated) money that the company would otherwise pay (or has paid).  In this case it is a payroll tax rebate.  The company is getting a kickback of funds that their employees have paid!!!

Perhaps that is a small point in the eyes of some, but it is a huge distinction in my eyes.

Just think what would happen if the “Occupy” people would hear about this.  A government entity (especially one with the highest income tax rate in the area) is collecting income taxes from the poor, exploited masses and kicking a portion of those taxes back to the rich, greedy corporation. Shocked  It's an entirely different situation than offering property tax breaks to a company in order to bring job opportunities to an area.  Big%20smile

“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Originally posted by acclaro acclaro wrote:

The asphalt will not be coming.


sad but probably true....


Shocked
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Do any of you know if the City planners use Six Sigma or Lean concepts when planning?  Not that these are new concepts and will save the world.  But just curious. 
 
 
As far as firefighter layoffs and brown outs, I am still curious as to why redistricting and building larger firehouses is not a reasonable answer.
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