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ground swat
MUSA Citizen Joined: Mar 31 2011 Status: Offline Points: 367 |
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Mr. Bevis E-mailed me back with Quick response. I was told he was returning phone calls. Need to mow the yard, sweep the carpet, make dinner, help with homework, kiss the wife and then I'd be open to having a beer and talking about this absolute lack of job performance. I'm hoping some council people are being contacted since most of us have that Ace Reporter Peter Packer(a.k.a. Brown Noser) giving the heads up before the Journal. 59 posts about a pool, which is a important topic but how did Mr. Bevis and the city get to this point. Mr. Bevis "Called Out " the city manager over the Public air waves. This is beyond OLD NEWS!
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ground swat
MUSA Citizen Joined: Mar 31 2011 Status: Offline Points: 367 |
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Sorry 71 Posts
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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People of
Middletown: Perhaps this
is the last straw. Certainly,
there are two sides to every story.
Certainly, the emails which are the subject of this thread tell only one
side. However, I have had great
reservations about several of the decisions that the present City Manager has
made during her tenure here in our fair city. Perhaps it
is time for City Council to examine the facts of this issue, and then to
explore their alternatives in the Human Resources area. |
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Middletown29
MUSA Citizen Joined: Mar 30 2011 Status: Offline Points: 474 |
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Hey a couple of facts, first Mr. Hart was convicted of tax fraud for failing to pay over employee withholding taxes in the amount of about $750,000. Sentenced to several months in federal prison. Not sure how long or when he served.
Mr. Bevis, as I understand, negotiated the sale of the FBO with Mr. Hart before informing the City. Mr. Bevis knows of Hart's criminal history and the fact that Hart withheld that information from the City. Mr. Bevis also knew the City had not resolved several issues with Mr. Hart over his lease with the City. It seems Mr. Bevis was trying to cash in by selling his business, which is basically a contract with the City to run the airport. Looks like Bevis got in over his head with the wheeler dealer Mr. Hart. |
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jag123
MUSA Resident Joined: Nov 05 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 143 |
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Middletown29... Have you talked to Mr. Bevis? If not, why don't you? A lot more here than meets the eye.
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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Middletown29:
Perhaps you missed Ms. Gilleland's newsletter:
Don't you find it strange that she so highly touts an event being produced by a convicted felon with whom she refuses to sign a contract??? So, does she want him here or not??? Can't she make up her mind??? Is he a crook or an asset??? Which is it???
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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Following is the text of an email that I sent to all members of City Council:
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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ground swat
MUSA Citizen Joined: Mar 31 2011 Status: Offline Points: 367 |
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My belief is three sides to a story, Oct 18th is when he should be released. Not knowing Mr. Bevis that well my question is the same to him, what caused this for him to come out of the wood work and drop a bomb of a e-mail in the cities lap? Council "camp out " in Jan. they know of Harts issues but we are moving forward with Fast Tracks. Does Mr. Bevis have a track record for being a grand stander or a "crook" Is Mr. Becker that out of touch that he would send a e-mail over the air waves wondering why we are at this point in the game. Who's in charge????? I have much bigger issues like ever one else on this site but this SMELLS and the odor could be coming from both ends of this mess for all I know. Lots of layers to an onion, just like lots of people in the last 48hrs. doing damage control. If it's that bad I guess I'll see in ad in the paper for an airport manager. Just like this never ending story of the city on the track to recovery Mr. Hart has a story also, don't know him never met him but Warren county I know wasn't real happy to loose his business. Got a funny feeling certain folks won't let him forget his past and that just might put an end to this story, wouldn't blame him.
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Molly
MUSA Immigrant Joined: Oct 10 2010 Status: Offline Points: 24 |
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Mr. Presta:
I have not been on here for awhile but I agree with your version of the "city of two faces". I am a regular jumper at the airport and have known John Hart for 4 years. Mr. Hart did skip tax payments to save his employees. He turned HIMSELF in, made the payment in full and will be released in a month, serving half of his term. He has invested several hundred thousand dollars of his money in his operation at the airport, which in reality, is an improvement in city property. Middletown29 sounds as if he/she is influenced by the 2nd floor of the city building and should take Jags advise and talk to Mr. Bevis, himself. You think that will happen?
Miss Molly
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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Molly,
Thanks for your input!!! Middletown29: Here's a couple of facts for you:
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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IF the City does not want to do business with this guy, then how did things ever get so far along???
It begs the question:
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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ground swat
MUSA Citizen Joined: Mar 31 2011 Status: Offline Points: 367 |
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Don't know if anyone noticed but we had a little storm go thru this mornin............jezzz! Another layer of the onion which after talking to several airport folks they can only remember Mr. Picard at one comm. meeting. I believe they meet more than once a year. Everyone is tight with their time and certainly can't be expected to make ever meeting, but only once since being in office? Isn't this the airport that has a plane up in the air every 15mins. on wkends dropping people who PAY Start Jumping. Maybe know one notices because their downtown shopping buying art and spending money at all the eateries that are open every day of the week. Already have heard how shocked certain people are by Mr. Bevis's letter and if theres another angle to this, I hope so it's called making money and trying to survive in this town. Of course this Admin. always hits it's numbers and never changes their mind or forcasts how their going to bring change to the section 8 issues. Mr. Becker makes it pretty clear in what he thought was happening and I would say the rest of council was on board. I'm sure Mr. Robinson can find Fast Tracks a new home if needed but something tells me a outside source may come down from the heavens and cover our $100,000 plus employees butt, again. |
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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I long have
held the position that this business of council members on all of these city
boards and commissions is nonsense. Granted,
there are a couple of cases where council members are mandated either by our
City Charter or by the Ohio Revised Code to be members, but darn few. For the most part, in my view it is nothing
more than resume building and ego boosting.
Worse than
that, it is an obvious conflict of interest.
If one examines the City’s codified Ordinances, the bulk of these boards
and commissions have a single purpose:
To advise City Council on the matters pertaining to that board or
commission. For a Council member, even a
non-voting Council member, to sit on a
board or commission that reports to Council is not only the very definition of
a conflict of interest, it is a slap in the face to the members of the board or
commission and the rest of the community, suggesting that the board or
commission cannot properly function without a member of Council on hand. Again, that is my view. Every time I
have raised these points, there have only been two counterpoints offered: A) Having a Council member on board is the only way Council
can know what is going on. This is hogwash since every meeting
of these boards and commissions is a PUBLIC meeting and ANY interested member
of Council is free to attend and see for themselves what is going on...they don't have to be a specially appointed "member" of that particular board or commission. Additionally, if the board or commission does
not “advise” Council, as is their purpose, Council certainly has the authority
to replace the members who refuse to “advise” them with members who will do
so. Also, all such boards and
commissions are required to keep minutes and submit same to Council. If they don’t, they should be replaced. If Council doesn't bother to read those minutes to know "what is going on", then shame on Council. B) All the other cities
do it, too. This “all the other kids get to do it, so I should get to do it, too” logic is so juvenile, that it does not even deserve a response. In my view, it is more of an arguement to replace the person making it (whatever their position), than it is an arguement for having Council members on boards and commissions. Let me assure the citizens of Middletown of four things: 1) If I am elected to City Council this November,
I will accept NO appointment to ANY board or commission that is not explicitly
authorized by the City Charter, the Codified City Ordinances, or the Ohio
Revised Code. (I will not even accept
one then, unless no one else will accept it.) 2) At the first business meeting at which I am a member, I will move that legislation be prepared to put the force of law behind the spirit of my point 1) above. The motion may die for lack of a second, or it may fail for lack of three more “aye” votes, but I will propose it if elected. And I'll vote FOR it, too, unless someone makes such an unimaginably powerful arguement against it that I am forced to eat crow!!! I can't fathom that happening, but as always, if I am proven wrong, I won't stay on the "wrong" side just to be bullheaded. 3) At that same first meeting, I will
move that legislation be prepared mandating that the time and place for ALL
meetings of all boards and commissions be part of the published “community
calendar” on the City’s web site, so that any Council member, and more
importantly, any CITIZEN, who desires to attend will know where and when each
and every meeting will be held. 4) 4) At that same first meeting, I will
move that legislation be prepared mandating that all meetings of City Council,
except executive sessions, be held in City Council Chambers and televised by
the local access TV channel (as long as that channel exists) unless a meeting
at a special location (such as a City park for a special occasion) is
authorized by a vote of three quarters of the members of Council. (NOT just the "members in attendance"!) If elected,
I hope that someone will remind me of these promises AT THAT FIRST MEETING,
since I am old and I sometimes forget things. With such a reminder, I SHALL NOT FAIL YOU on
these promises!!! You have my word
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Stanky
MUSA Resident Joined: Jul 04 2011 Status: Offline Points: 193 |
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Meanwhile not a peep from the Journal. Too busy talking about non-stories like Verdin expressing some interest in the Manchester.
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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Off topic about the Airport, but while on the subject of Verdin and the Manchester.......hey, his interest, HIS money. I would encourage him purchasing it and trying to make something out of an outdated, mega-rehab cost building, rather than seeing it torn down like everything else seems to be. Do your thing with YOUR money Verdin. Best of luck.
Problem is, the PAC wasn't HIS money and he, to date, has had moderate to little success in making PAC fly. If he and the city proceed with interest in the Manchester, gotta keep a close eye on the city sneaking city taxpayer money his way for some of the cost for his ideas. Might be starting a trend here and it doesn't look like it's that healthy for the city so far. The PAC money and the money used for the 4 building purchase for Cincy State was the wrong use of taxpayer money. Really don't want to follow that with the Manchester, do we? |
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Upon hearing the city would entertain offers from outside developers; Verdin said his immediate thought was to contribute to a growing trend of tying together boutique hotels with apartment complexes and condominiums. Developers have been exploring the concept as it ensures flexibility in its offerings, he said, citing a building in
Here is the link to the Dallas Hotel...http://www.magnoliahoteldallas.com/dallas.aspx |
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acclaro
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1878 |
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Dallas Texas is......
not Middletown, Ohio. This would never work. Condo downtown---why, what's there besides trouble? If anything, small section carved out for dorms for Cin State, but that's 5 years out from having anything remotely in the works of substance, and its a Proof of Concept at this stage. The city offered the cloak of non profit and lack of taxes associated with lease. Now State has balked on Manchester, no one in right mind is going to buy a building @ $100,000 that is taxed at $1 Mm +. This is just the city trying to throw something out there that might stick. Nothing will on Manchester. COCD simply cost prohibitive.
Mike (Presta), no need to commit on anything. Simply run that your ears are tuned to citizens, campaign, get organized, and you'll be on council. All others focus on the few who they think run Middletown, believe me---great void in someone who can think, can articulate, that won't be an embarrassment, that tunes in, not out, the citizen.
Think after reading about Mr. Hart. Mr. Bevis's comments somewhat self serving. His deal went south, but the comments about "crook" seemed to have merit if there is a felony record.
Continue on, Oz has legs, airport story does not. A one day news story.
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ground swat
MUSA Citizen Joined: Mar 31 2011 Status: Offline Points: 367 |
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Mr. P I would agree on council not being involved on boards but until it's changed how about a little effort or just tell the group I'm not showing up. A one day news story maybe but for most it's what is between the lines, the same out of touch, arrogant, protect my own self interest by hiring others so i can pass the buck when a problem shows up, can't make a decision city manager. Slept well until the damn lighting and pretty much know the airport problem has been solved. What isn't solved is a none interested population of 48,000 and knowing this same scenario will happen again due to the lack of holding our leader accountable.
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acclaro
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1878 |
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gs, the council in its current state, WILL NEVER, NEVER hold anyone in city leadership accountable. So the airport deal taken care of, pats on back, and Mr. Bevis not resigning? Wow, the power of public emails! Derailment in Middletown came when AK settled down, but execs left, and then the housing meltdown. The east end is not the wonder all speculated, prayed for, and spoken with wild hyperbole. So the new diversion is downtown. And it is what it is---a masquerade, a diversion, as east went sourer, holding its own, but not the savior it was to be, nor Renaissance, and then the shift to downtown, just to keep the Indians thinking "progress" is being made. Keep State on hook for a year for 200 students, MUH enrolls >3,000, and throw in Verdin and PAC to keep the Manchester expense of $175Kk at bay (plus expenses). When Mr. H returns, he just protects Judy G., and is given a contract to be the "body guard." The Moormans are being appeased downtown, the smoke rises and then settles, hoping some life will appear in the city that is dying.
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TANGO
MUSA Resident Joined: Mar 21 2010 Status: Offline Points: 72 |
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Does anybody know where Mr. hart is now ? LCI? WCI? I would move slowly with this deal even thought it looks good now
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middletownscouter
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 11 2010 Location: Sunset Park Status: Offline Points: 501 |
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He's be in a federal correctional facility would be my guess since it was a federal charge.
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ground swat
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Like everything else in this town it's the behind the curtain deals that make me ILL. Who's on first?
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Middletown29
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Mr Bevis is wanting to sell his FBO business with the City because he is having financial difficulty
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ground swat
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PAC taking all his business? |
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