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LMAO 
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Joined: Oct 28 2009 Location: Middletucky Status: Offline Points: 468 |
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 Posted: Jun 30 2011 at 3:15pm |
Yes I know that and I was told that they can "HANDLE IT.".Try to be nice to the assholes down there and get talked to like a damn dog.  They all can kiss where the sun dont shine.
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Summerrain1957
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Posted: Jun 30 2011 at 3:04pm |
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FYI for LMAO
The Tarps have been Removed from the Vault as of this morning.
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Summerrain1957
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Posted: Jun 30 2011 at 2:59pm |
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OMG Really?
Summerrain stated " Ms Moon was telling the City how to do their job" Honest to god if you were running this city or any of the departments would you really want someone that is volunteering to come and tell you how to do your job or run your business?? I don't think so. Let the Cemetery Board do their job and stop complaining about it.
Well Summerrain I don't think you should speak about things that you know nothing about or have any FACTS about. I know exactly what I speak of. I have been hearing about all the problems the cemetery has and all the problems you have with the city and all the problems the city has with you. So yes I know what I speak of..
But since you want to make this personal I would suggest that you read a little more and find out just what the City should be doing at the cemetery. Not trying to make this personal at all just stating facts as i know them. I know what the city should be doing in the cemetery. Locking the gates, all the maintenance, replacing the stones, etc, yada yada yada. The City does not want to do anymore then they have to in the cemetery and I wish people would get that through their heads. You cannot make the City do anything at this point and I do not mean just you I mean anyone.
FACT: If the City had not lied to me the vault would already be restored. I do not know the whole story here just your side of what I have read. FACT: Numerous people from all over the county and local residents supported the restoration of the cemetery during the 6 years that I worked at the cemetery. We know how the City thanked them for their support. Cannot disagree with you on that at all. But there was a reason that the City went in there and destroyed all the hard work that you and others had done and to be so vendictive at you that they would destroy it for everyone. Bad move on the Citys part for sure. FACT: The Middletown Cemetery was NOT ready for Memorial Day this year. Well as I saw it the grass was mowed and it seemed the board took it upon themselves to add the flowers and mulch so that it would have some color. Of course I heard that you complained about the way the flowers were planted but hmmmm I did not see you down there offering to help. Just stating a fact , saw you in the back of the cemetery looking to see what was going on, but no offer to help. As I seen it some not all of the board members got the job done. FACT: The Middletown Cemetery Board did not request that the City do anything at the cemetery to help get it ready for Memorial Day this year. The Middletown Cemetery Board did ask the city to 1. Cut down the old Flag pole. 2. KMB placed two planters in the front section of the cemetery. And
again I heard that you complained about this.
So now as you can see I do know more about what is going on here than you think i do. I know people and I hear things too. Again I say.... Let the Cemetery Board do their job and quit telling them how to do it. I am sorry but you are not the only one that wants to see this cemetery back to a better state.
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Vivian Moon
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Posted: Jun 30 2011 at 5:49am |
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Viscount stated "Most, if not all grants for this project, require security. We have had many obstacles to overcome, but none so troublesome as the security question. At present, we are looking into reliable volunteer citizens to take up the cause of locking and unlocking the current gate in order to create a window of opportunity for these grants. Our end game, of course, is to have a sophisticated system that would satisfy all security needs of the cemetery."
Viscount Nothing complicated about the security of the The Middletown Police Department evaluated this problem in 2005 and the City has refused to complete or take action on their own security evaluation. 1. Lock the gates 2. Repair (not patch) all the fences and replace barb wire. 3. Clear all fence lines. 4. Plant thorny plants in problem areas to help break the habit of using the cemetery as a pass thru In order to understand the problem you need to understand the cause. The cemetery plus Cohen Bros blocks in a four block area of the city and this will soon increase when CSX blocks off Grand Ave. You will then have a wall from 14th Ave to Woodlawn and from Woodlawn to Central Ave. The students from the middle school climb the fences because the don’t want to walk the three blocks around the cemetery to get to the other side to University. If you do not do all the above items you will not solve the security problems at the cemetery. |
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Vivian Moon
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Posted: Jun 30 2011 at 4:58am |
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Summerrain
At the last cemetery board meeting that I attended I brought up the fact that the Middletown Cemetery had a problem with the records of who and where people were buried at Middletown Cemetery.
Chairman Mr McNeil, informed me that the board had looked at the records and they were in order. Really?....... If all the records are in order then what have I been correcting for the past 7 years? If all the records are in order then how do you bury 9 people in 4 plots. FACT: The Middletown Cemetery records are not in order or complete. |
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Vivian Moon
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Posted: Jun 30 2011 at 4:27am |
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Summerrain stated " Ms Moon was telling the City how to do their job"
Well Summerrain I don't think you should speak about things that you know nothing about or have any FACTS about. But since you want to make this personal I would suggest that you read a little more and find out just what the City should be doing at the cemetery.
FACT: If the City had not lied to me the vault would already be restored. FACT: Numerous people from all over the county and local residents supported the restoration of the cemetery during the 6 years that I worked at the cemetery. We know how the City thanked them for their support. FACT: The Middletown Cemetery was NOT ready for Memorial Day this year. FACT: The Middletown Cemetery Board did not request that the City do anything at the cemetery to help get it ready for Memorial Day this year. |
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Vivian Moon
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Posted: Jun 29 2011 at 4:01am |
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Summerrain
Maybe you should ask Mr. Adkins for CDBG funds to replair the vault. These were the funds promised to me in 2006 if I had the vault declared historic. These are the same funds that are going to be used in the Highland District and these were the same funds used last year to purchase more playground equiptment for Old South Park...
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Richard Saunders
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Posted: Jun 29 2011 at 12:29am |
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Let’s see if I understand this correctly: The city had $500,000 to buy four buildings for Cincinnati State, two of which that school had never said that they wanted and which will probably end up going to the City Manager’s boyfriend to allow him to pretend that he is a museum curator; And the city has $7,000 (plus) to buy phony old-fashioned gaslights for Mulligan’s and Kohler’s and Duane Gordon’s front yards; But the city cannot afford to spend $50 on a new tarp to protect the historic vault at the Historic Pioneer Cemetery? Is that about the size of it? |
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LMAO
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Posted: Jun 28 2011 at 10:00pm |
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I will donate the Tarps if they will be replaced.Its just a damn shame are spineless ones cant do it.Whoever is in charge can PM me and let me know when and where to drop them of.
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Summerrain1957
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Posted: Jun 28 2011 at 9:53pm |
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I do believe the tarp was brought up at an early meeting and of course the answer was WE HAVE NO MONEY, but we can take the money that is in place for the vault and use that.to purchase new tarps and have them put on the Vault by a contractor. It is an eyesore for sure. Maybe someone in the community would like to donate some large tarps or maybe large tarps like the ones the Truck Drivers use. Anyone?? I am sure there are plenty of people out there with answers to alot of questions about the cemetery. Just hoping something will be done before it falls in.
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ground swat
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Posted: Jun 28 2011 at 7:18pm |
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How about replacing the tarp, have you mentioned that in the 2hr. meetings. In any venture you have other issues that are fluid, that need attention now. Never knew how many different shades of blue you can get out of one of those. This board must get it's act together or it's just another layer of burearucracy. If your going to fire the boss, figure out how to do it first before you apply for thousands in grants. I do applaud all of the time given by these folks.
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LMAO
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Posted: Jun 28 2011 at 3:45pm |
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What you need is to get on to the spinless ones (Council) that used money from the cemetery fund to pay off other debts. Until the spineless ones are out of office I forsee this town in gravel roads and pollution.
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ViscountValmont
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Joined: Jun 21 2011 Status: Offline Points: 6 |
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Posted: Jun 28 2011 at 3:02pm |
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Technically, Summerrain, the vault is top priority. But we have specifically allocated funds available to us right now that allow us to tackle the tombstones right off the bat. Whereas, the vault is a much larger venture, requiring more people with varied expertise, and very specific materials and processes to maintain its historical status. Thusly, it is a much larger economical behemoth. We must wait on grants to come through, and one of the most difficult parts of that process is "matching" funds with other funds. So, let's say a 10k grant requires matching; at the very least, it is a 1-to-1 ratio, and requires we have another 10k in order to qualify and unlock the first grant. If it is a 2-to-1 ratio, which some are, then of course we would need another 20k grant to actualize the initial 10k grant. Then there is the catch 22 of security, which was what sparked this forum thread: the partially inaccurate article on the electric gating for the cemetery. Most, if not all grants for this project, require security. We have had many obstacles to overcome, but none so troublesome as the security question. At present, we are looking into reliable volunteer citizens to take up the cause of locking and unlocking the current gate in order to create a window of opportunity for these grants. Our end game, of course, is to have a sophisticated system that would satisfy all security needs of the cemetery. We have a prioritized list of things to get done, ranked by importance (to citizens as well as historical value), time requirements, proper chronology, and finally, practicality. So, as you can see, it is a complicated set of goals and needs that beset us. I thank you for your sincere appreciation. And I am in total agreement with you on press coverage. We have had a few articles, and have done our best to get this issue out there for the people to see. However, the Journal is changing its focus, preferring more sensational "investigative journalism," and apparently not wanting stories on its local government or community projects. If you, or anyone else you know, would like to see more articles on the cemetery, please contact the Middletown Journal and inform them. If they are more aware of citizens' desire to be kept abreast of the topic, I'm sure they will gladly comply. We need more concerned people such as yourself attached to this project. Again, thank you.
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Summerrain1957
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Posted: Jun 27 2011 at 8:27pm |
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thank you ViscountValmont. I agree with everything you say except the VAULT is and should be top priority right now. In my opinion the board is doing what they can with what they have right now and everyone needs to see what they are dealing with. I think the media needs to do a story on this with interviews and photos at the cemetery to make everyone aware of what is going on down on First Avenue, How about it MUSA or anyone on here from the Journal?? Thank you again.
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middletownscouter
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Posted: Jun 27 2011 at 8:32am |
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Here's an idea: Put a putting green in the cemetary. The city will give you a million dollars over the next five years to keep the place up!
But DON'T put in a pool, because then the City will want to turn the whole thing into some more greenspace. |
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ViscountValmont
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Posted: Jun 27 2011 at 12:06am |
It would be only your interpretation of all that I have said and done to come to those conclusions. I was merely thanking a concerned descendant. I did not charge them with solutions. I meant that it is ultimately their WISHES about what SHOULD be done that will be the voice of how the cemetery is treated now that we have a board to represent them. As after all, unless there is enough people willing to come out to fight SOLELY for the historical aspect of the cemetery, it is family members that will be among the most important of citizens involved. And note, they are part of why the board was created. So while it took quite a long time, the complaints of family members have started to, at last, be heard. And again, you have misinterpreted my words at the meeting. I told you directly that I thought it was a serious problem, but that things must be done in a proper order. There is no reason to go about doing things now, only to have them be re-done at a later date, causing two sets of bills to pile up in the process. You as well as I know, there is only so much money. And I am not the one approving it. I am the one trying to attain it. We as a board, are right now at this very time, coming to our top decision at hand: who the Tombstone job will be done by. The vault is number two, only because the money involved- grants, etc... must be waited on in order to complete. But to lump me in with the process that has put this cemetery where it is today is a mistake. I am doing my best to make sure it actually gets brought back to code, not torn down and flattened, and furthermore, to gain higher status in a larger registry as a historical site. I value law, history, and family in this matter. But there is only so much as one board member I can get done on my own. I must work with four other members, and seek to get compliance from them. There is no railroading action I can use to push anything through. I apologize at your dissatisfaction, whether with me, or the board in its entirety. But I care about the cemetery, and the laws governing it. |
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LMAO
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Posted: Jun 26 2011 at 5:15pm |
I have been to plenty of meetings thank you very much.How about yourself? As Vet said,yea they might listen to you but it goes through one ear and out the other.When Queen Judy made the city take Ms Moons plants and mulch out I lost all respect for the spineless people that run this city.Another thing that irked my ass was the city Leaseing out one of the parks out to a ball team and this ball team promised so many things.Well guess what,none of it happen and its been a few years now.But again we hear Queen Judy and the rest of the spinless one's praise them for it.Alot of people are so fed up with this town there taking losses and moving the hell out.
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VietVet
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Posted: Jun 26 2011 at 4:48pm |
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Summerrain 1957 states "I believe that there is a definate feud going on between the City Manager and Ms Moon over the Cemetery and it is also my belief that this is due inpart to Ms Moon telling the city how to do their job. which I stated before they will not tolerate"
BUT SOMEONE WHO CARED HAD TO TELL THE CITY HOW TO DO THEIR JOB BECAUSE THEY WERE IN VIOLATION OF THE LAW IN MANY ASPECTS OF THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES. IT JUST HAPPENED TO BE MS. MOON, WHO WAS PERSISTENT ENOUGH TO NOT LET IT RIDE BUT RATHER CALL THEM ON IT. SHOULD HAPPEN MORE IMO. THE CITY, ESPECIALLY THE CITY MANAGER, WAS VINDICTIVE IN THE HANDLING OF MS. MOON'S EFFORTS TOWARD THE BEAUTIFICATION OF THE CEMETERY. TO REMOVE THE NICE PLANTED, MULCHED ENTRYWAY BY THE GATE WAS JUST ASININE. IT SHOWED A TOTAL LACK OF MATURITY IN THE WAY IT WAS HANDLED AND REMINDED ME OF THE PLAYGROUND BULLY SYNDROME. CHILDISH. SOME OF US REALLY DON'T GIVE A DAM WHETHER THE CITY WILL "TOLERATE" IT OR NOT. SOME OF US ARE NOT INTIMIDATED BY THESE SO-CALLED CITY LEADERS. WE HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THEM BECAUSE OF WHO THEY ARE AND THE DESTRUCTION THEY ARE CAUSING. WHEN THE PEOPLE HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THEM AND THEIR ATTITUDE, THE DEADWOOD PURGE WILL BE MADE AND, HOPEFULLY, THEY WILL LEAVE TOWN, ALLOWING US TO "TAKE OUT THE TRASH". PERHAPS THE NEW PEOPLE IN CHARGE WILL ALLOW US TO FORGET THIS SAD TIME IN THE CITY'S HISTORY. |
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Summerrain1957
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Posted: Jun 26 2011 at 3:10pm |
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to Viet-Vet: I agree with all that, and i am not defending city management at all. It has been going on for the last 20 or so years and this is just my comment on the cemetery.
I believe that there is a definate feud going on between the City Manager and Ms Moon over the Cemetery and it is also my belief that this is due inpart to Ms Moon telling the city how to do their job. which I stated before they will not tolerate.
I know that Ms G is running this city into the ground with the rest of City Management and I see businesses closing and leaving town every week its sad. I personally did not vote for any of the people on the council, and yes we are as a city an embarassment to SW Ohio.
to ground swat: The board is split apart... From what I am hearing the Chair gets/got his direction from one person only, and we all know who that is... So In my opinion if Ms G is dictating how the new cemetery board runs and what they can say and who they can and cannot talk to what is the point?
I learn new stuff everyday about this problem at the Cemetery and I am hoping that come November people will speak up and let the City Management know that it will be the wrong thing to do in tearing down the vault.. I know the board is seeking funds for the vault through private donations and grants and hope they can make their goal.
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ground swat
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Posted: Jun 26 2011 at 1:54pm |
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The board is split apart, the current or replaced? Chair can't even get a clear direction or understanding what their role is IMO. And yes I have been to the meetings. All good hearted and caring people giving up time to help solve some of the issues.
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VietVet
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Posted: Jun 26 2011 at 1:50pm |
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VietVet
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Posted: Jun 26 2011 at 1:48pm |
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Summerrain 1957- I appreciate the board's efforts as I stated 4 or 5 posts before your posts. I too, am not a fan of the city leaders in many areas including the way they have handled the vault, the cemetery upkeep and the apparent lack of caring for the site over the years.
I agree with you about backing off and letting the cemetery board take the lead and try to right the ship getting the cemetery back up to standard. I will differ with you on your comments concerning the defense of the city leaders, the city manager in particular. IMO, as I have stated before, she is not good for this city as she has charted the wrong direction for this town to progress. We are a regressive town and the joke of SW Ohio. Has been for 20+ years. It is her, some of her staff and her predecessors who have carved a destructive path for this town and, like LMAQ has stated, some need to be run out of town and new council people need to be elected as this council is grossly misguided in it's decision making. Becker, Picard, Mulligan and Allen need to be eliminated from council. The Law Director, The Planning Director and the city manager need to go. They have done enough damage. JMO You state: "As long as people only complain behind the scenes and not in an open forum NOTHING will be solved. Thank you" I must respond to your statement. I have been to many forums and council meetings over the years. Have spoken before council for the three minute "Citizens Comments" portion of the meeting. Have spoken at the various "talks with councilmembers" forums that Laubach, Marconi and others have had in the past. They all listen. Council never makes a comment or answers your questions directed to them. They never agree or admit that they agree. They never offer a solution on the spot. They usually give the patented "city response" and they are masters at dancing around the content of the question. In other words, you are hard-pressed to get a straight, honest answer from anyone on council nor in the city building. THAT is why most people don't approach this city government. THE PEOPLE never receive honesty from our elected and hired officials. Again, JMO. |
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Summerrain1957
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Posted: Jun 26 2011 at 1:20pm |
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well have you been to a meeting yet to have your say? Why Not? As long as people only complain behind the scenes and not in an open forum NOTHING will be solved. Thank you
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LMAO
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Posted: Jun 26 2011 at 11:50am |
I get a laugh everytime the spinless council and JG open their mouths,cos 99.999% of the time its a lie.They should of thought about that when they took money out of the CemetaryFund to pay for something else.Their thinking is rob peter to pay paul. Until each one of them are off the payroll many people of Middletown arent going to be happy.I have found out that alot of people in this town wont open their mouths cos of fear of repucution.Not me,I say what I want and if they cant handle it then guess what,I DONT CARE.They can scratch their ass and get happy.
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Summerrain1957
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Posted: Jun 26 2011 at 11:25am |
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LMAO... glad you are all getting a laugh out of the mess that has come out of the City and Ms Moon fighting, which in the end will be a black eye for the cemetery and the Vault will be torn down in November.
Thats where the problem is,are spineless leaders have forgotten who pays their damn sarlies.They are nothing but liars and backstabbers and everyone of them ought to be booted out of office.Its not going to get any better till they do.
Hmmm Really???
Even if the Management changes downtown problems will still exist with the cemetery... this has been going on for years not just since JG has been City Manager. Think about it. The city does not want to put any money or as little as possible into the cemetery. that is why the board is trying to do what they can to save the vault and get the cemetery back into cpmpliance
If all the people on this blog that are complaining about the cemetery would stop bitchin about how the City is or is not doing their job with this Cemetery Problem and step up and support the New Board then maybe, just maybe there would be changes as to the way the cemetery is taken care of.
I just think there are people out there that want to keep the fire stoked and this will not get the Board anywhere except maybe dissolved come November.
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