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    Why didn't you say so before. You can come out of the corner now. Strategy, mediocrity, "continuous improvement, without  expending much effort has become the pattern for the last twenty years. You have learned well. You have earned your diploma. Press on!
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Originally posted by Paul Nagy Paul Nagy wrote:

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      Go stand in the corner and be prepared to stay after school. 66 is not a passing grade.
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Thiis was part of my strategy!!!  I always started every school year in a mediocre manner.  That gave me plenty of room to show "continuous improvement" throughout the school year without expending much effort!!! Big%20smile
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Mr. Presta,
      Go stand in the corner and be prepared to stay after school. 66 is not a passing grade.
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Originally posted by Mike_Presta Mike_Presta wrote:

Originally posted by Marcia Andrew Marcia Andrew wrote:

... can anyone remember the 3 different types of rock...? ...
Punk rock, Acid rock, and Rock 'n' Roll???  LOL LOL LOL
 
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You only got 2 out of 3 correct here. The answer "Rock and Roll" is incorrect because it is the entire rock and not just a type. The correct answer would have been "Progressive rock"; however, I can understand how you would have missed that one. Being a "Tea Party Republican",  you probably couldn't even bring yourself to think, let alone type the word "progressive"!!!  lmao
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Ground swat, I don't have numbers in front of me on number of arrests and expulsions at the high school last year.  There are a large number of arrests.  To some extent, this results from having a police officer ("school resource officer") on site.  SRO's are a big help in preventing incidents, but when something happens, like a fight between students, they tend to see it as a crime and make an arrest. That's their job.  If there was not an SRO on site, it might be handled by an assistant principal in a different manner, where his job is to ensure the building is run in a safe and orderly manner to facilitate the education of students.  Another way to look at the large number of arrests is as proof that violence is not tolerated and action is taken.
 
I will have to check, but I do not believe that it is true that there were no expulsions, although I can see how the police officers might not know about it if there were.  In a serious incident, what usually happens is an immediate suspension with a recommendation for expulsion.  Then, there is a hearing because the student is entitled by law to due process. Only after that hearing would the expulsion happen, if the that was the result. But the result of the hearing would not generally be public knowledge and I doubt the arresting officer would be amongst the people told of the decision.
 
There is a tension between needing to maintain a safe learning environment for all students, and needing to educate all students.  Students who are expelled are not learning, and the dropout rate is one of the indicators on the state report card for the district.  Students who are suspended are not learning, unless they are sent to the A+ program you (or someone else) referenced which is an in-school suspension.  That keeps them away from other students (I think there is even a staggered start and end time for their school day so they are not out in the halls when all the other students are), but they are still learning, in fact they are required to work more intensely than they would in the regular classrooms because of the lower ratio. 
 
When you think about it, expelling a kid is not a very effective form of discipline. You have a kid who does not want to be in school, does not care to learn anything. He/she may already have a history of tardies and truancies and the parent(s) won't or can't change that pattern.  So he/she acts out to get thrown out of school. Suspending or expelling that kid gives him/her exactly what they want--no school, no effort.  That consequence does not teach the kid not to fight.  Rather, it teaches the kids to get into fights as a ticket to getting out of school.  For you or me, getting expelled might  have triggered consequences at home that would make you never want to do the same thing again. But for many of these kids who are already getting into trouble frequently, their home life or lack there of may actually be part of the problem. For some of these kids, the best thing for them is to spend as little time at home as possible. In-school suspension is a fairly good solution to this tension.  So, sometimes what happens is, instead of an expulsion, the student is allowed to return to school but only after agreeing to do certain things that the school otherwise might not have the power to require. (like counseling, or AA, or making restitution, to name just a few examples).
 
Also, if the student involved is on an IEP, federal law limits the consequences that the school district can impose.
 
I also believe it is true that a relatively small number of repeat offenders accounts for the vast majority of incidents/arrests.  My son has been at the high school for 3 years, at Vail the 2 years before that, and never once felt unsafe or threatened.  I think the perception in the community of what the school day is like at the high school is very different than the reality.
 
So, are there fewer incidents per 100 students at Fenwick or Monroe, or does the media just not report on it as much? Fenwick is private so the media can't force them to disclose discipline records. They don't have an SRO so they wouldn't have an arrest unless the principal called the police to the school, but I doubt that means students never fight.  Monroe had that kid last year who raped and robbed a lady.  I don't mean to smear those schools, my only point is there is no perfectly safe cocoon to send your kid to school in.
 
Middletown High is a much larger school than Monroe or Fenwick and as a result can offer many more class options and more extra curricular choices.  More AP classes, and MUM is right across the street to take courses for college credit.  Middies are in the GMC in Division I, much more competitive level of sports.  Another positive of Middletown is its diversity. Approx. 35% African American and mixed race, and the kids seem to get along with and respect kids from other races. In the real world, we have to interact with people from other races and other socio-economic backgrounds, and going to a diverse high school better prepares a kid for that reality.
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Acclaro, I agree with you that one of the strategies that has been shown by experience to work is intense one on one mentoring of at-risk, low-performing students. Very hard to duplicate on a large scale without large numbers of adults, either paid school employees or community volunteers.  A teacher can make that difference in the life of a few students at a time. Very difficult to make that difference for all 28 students in the class.
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Sorry, but I always was the "class clown"!!! Clown
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Originally posted by Marcia Andrew Marcia Andrew wrote:

... can anyone remember the 3 different types of rock...? ...
Punk rock, Acid rock, and Rock 'n' Roll???  LOL LOL LOL
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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I appreciate an open and polite dialogue.  I started posting on this site a few years ago as a way to share information beyond the standard channels.  I will try to answer most everyone's questions, but please be patient as it may take several days. You all have raised a lot of issues and I do have a day job. 
 
RANDY: Is there anyway to change the name of this thread? It's not really about Monroe schools anymore, but I don't want to start a new thread because I'll be answering many posts on this thread.
 
Tony asked about mainstreaming versus classes separated by abilities.  That is a rich topic and one where the experts have shifted their thinking. Now, the "best practice" is to have classes with mixed abilities in grade school and for the most part in 7-12, except for advanced/honors classes.  There are pros and cons for either model, and I personally view the issue from both ends, as my 3 kids range from significant cognitive disability to gifted. My oldest spent days bored to tears while the teacher re-taught basics to kids who should not have been placed in advanced math--so there, you did have separation by ability, but not implemented well. If you do segment by ability, you will have a lot of pressure from parents to put their kids in a higher level. The kids all know what the groupings mean, and there is some amount of self-prophesy. If you label a kid as dumb, he will believe he is dumb and can't learn, so why even try? Then, sure enough, he will remain underachieving.  I do believe that we need to push ALL students to achieve at the highest level possible, but I am not sure separate classes by ability is the best way to get there.
 
Federal law does require "mainstreaming," to a certain extent.  It is called "full inclusion" now, and what it means is that for students identified with a disability, with an Individual Education Plan ("IEP"), they are entitled to be educated in the least restrictive environment. For most kids, this means being fully included in a classroom with typically developing students, with an aide if necessary/appropriate and various supports.  For some students, their needs are so severe or disruptive that they are taught in "self-contained" classrooms of just other kids with IEPs. But, the majority of kids with special needs are included in regular classrooms. Special ed teachers, tutors,  speech therapists, etc may work one on one or in small groups with the child part of the day.  One of the reasons for this federal rule of inclusion is that research has shown that kids with special needs do better and achieve more if they are placed with typically developing peers. It is also much better for their social and behavioral development.
 
For the rest of the kids who are not on an IEP, but their abilities vary, the model recommended by educational experts is to differentiate instruction to the different levels in the classroom.  Everyone may be learning about the science of rocks (can anyone remember the 3 different types of rock, and how they are formed?), but at different levels of detail and depth and with different expected deliverables to demonstrate they have learned what is being taught. One student may be working on putting a coherent paragraph together, for example, while the brightest kids is challenged with extra research and writing a 3 page paper.  Often it requires lots of small group and individual projects coordinated and overseen by the teacher, rather than the teacher lecturing to 25 kids and then having them all complete the same worksheet.  Since, as you point out, this is not the way it was done 20 or 30 years ago, learning how to differentiate instruction and do it well is something many experienced teachers had to learn as a new skill.  They may have been terrific at teaching to the whole class the old way, but this wouldn't work as well given the realities of the new class composition.  Even younger teachers right out of teaching school may not have been taught well how to differentiate their instruction.  This is another example of the type of resource that the central office administrators provide (those curriculum coordinators, specialists and consultants mentioned in other posts). 
 
The students who are performing above grade level can be asked to help with some of their peers who are struggling with the concept. This helps the more advanced student internalize what he has learned more concretely when he has to explain it to a classmate, and it builds confidence and leadership skills. It also helps the struggling student, who gets some extra attention, and may pay more attention to a peer than an adult.
 
Tony, I am not an educational expert, although I have read alot about these issues. There is no black/white answer for what is the right way to group students, but I have tried to explain the current situation.
 
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The "alternative" program for mentoring, etc. has already been tried and failed. Garfield Alternative Education Center opened in the early 90's with a huge grant from the state. It was located down on Yankee because they didn't want the students who were expelled and suspended from the high school to be on the same campus. The school ended up housing drug dealers and criminals. The district decided it was too expensive to run so they closed it and bulldozed the building. This was a building that they sold and bought back.

The A+ program was in that building and moved to the Manchester Building. So the issue of having those expelled and suspended off campus must not be an issue at this time.

The school district decided that they needed an "alternative" program for the high school students to pass the OGT so now they opened the Success Academy in the Manchester Building. It has almost the exact same staff that were at Garfield.

It wasn't successful once but let's try it again with the same people......
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A somewhat related side thought/question regarding Highview and volunteers (not directed specifically to Mrs. Andrew):

Currently the PTO at Highview is trying to empty out the bank accounts completely as the elementary school will no longer be an elementary after this school year. But won't there still be a need for a PTO with Highview as a 6th grade center next year? Seems like instead of spending all the money they should be planning on keeping at least some of it as seed money to roll over to next year.
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Dealing with the kids notwithstanding, saying that there is no work to do in a library when kids aren't around is disingenuous. You are in charge of a room full of inventory, many thousands of unique items that are constantly being removed from their proper location and possibly taken off site. They have to be kept in a very specific order to ensure that they can be easily located for future use. Additionally you have new product arriving periodically that has to be categorized and put into the system, marked and filed away properly. And at any given time you need to know exactly what items that belong to the library are currently checked out, who has them and for how long. The logistics alone are a fair bit of work.

Can volunteers be trained to do this work? Sure. As well as the accredited librarians that were doing the job? Nope. The libraries will still operate but at a decreased level of efficiency and effectiveness.

My questions, that maybe Mrs. Andrew could respond to since she's been reading and posting in this thread:
  • What is the plan to get the library volunteers trained to perform the job while minimizing as much as possible any losses in effectiveness of the library?
  • What will be the vetting process for selecting the library volunteers? Will it be any random parent or person off the street who steps up? Will there be any kind of educational requirement (such as "has a high school diploma or equivalent")?
  • What kind of background check will be performed to ensure we aren't letting a predator into our schools?
  • What kind of youth protection training will be given to ensure that the volunteer understands proper practices and procedures in both protecting the kids from abuse (and themselves from false abuse claims) and also recognizing signs of and reporting suspected abuse?
  • Will all of this be required to be completed prior to starting the volunteer position?
  • What kind of funding has been allocated to do all of this? Was this cost factored into the overall savings plan generated by cutting the librarian positions?
I do not envy the school board, even something as small as replacing elementary school librarians with volunteers is not as easy a proposition as most people think it would be. And I only was looking at logistics and background checks...that doesn't even take into account programming such as featured books and/or subjects of the month, or related to current events, trends or fads, book clubs or other functions that are being done currently.
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Not to dispute jsmith's version because he sounds like an insider who knows what's going on.....but I've heard that those library positions are a piece of cake.  Not disputing they were accredited, etc. but there just wasn't a heck of a lot to do in those jobs when the kids weren't actually in the library.

As for all the "Director of this" and "Assis Dir of That", I imagine there a lot more staff required than 20 years when you take into account all the federal and state reporting and testing requirements, not to mention issues with disabled kids, issues regarding modern technology (certainly more of this than 20 years ago), and probably more financial issues to track than 20 years ago.  I do wonder, with new buildings and the outsourcing of food service and bussing, why there is a need for all the facilities people.  I'm not saying jsmith isn't correct, but I'm guessing the MCSD will claim that they have many burdensome obligations that necessitate these people.
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Originally posted by Marcia Andrew Marcia Andrew wrote:

Vet, in my first post on this thread, I stated that 4 assistant principals were among those RIF'd. That leaves assistant principals only at the high school (1800 students) and Vail (800 students). There are no "assistants to the assistants"; I don't know what you are talking about. And no, the school district is not top-heavy with administrators. The school district is a large operation with approximately $90 million in revenue from many different funding sources coming in and being spent; approximately 750 employees (full and part-time). Can't run a business that size without some operational people handling purchasing, accounts payable and receivables, compliance with all the state and federal laws, etc., and management and leadership. See my response to Tony for part of the role of central office in aligning teaching methods and substance. You need an HR function. You need buildings & maintenance functions.
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Ms. Alberico's salary is more in the range of $65,000, not $98,000. And her job involved far more than giving quotes to the Journal (although she does respond to requests from the media almost every single day).  She also is the person who responds to public records requests, is the central point for all questions and complaints from students, parents, community, media, whomever, either finding an answer directly or directing the inquiry to the person with knowledge/responsibility.  Multiple requests every day. She writes newsletters and other communications to parents and taxpayers about what is going on with the public schools.  She keeps the website current. These are just some of her job responsibilities, there are others.  Similarly, someone has to be in charge of technology when you have hardware and software in 12 buildings, internal and external networks.  Both operational software and educational software.  Doesn't maintain itself.


Ms. Andrew, please see the post from jssmith2011 listed below. If the information he has provided is accurate, please explain as this information is in direct contrast to what you have stated about being top heavy, assistants to the assistants and being a multi-layer system, not to mention the exhorbantant salaries. Could you also address the discipline/behavioral issues mentioned by Bill and others. Perhaps you could tell us why the district didn't develop an alternative program (after being intimidated through the legal system by parents of the thugs and removing corporal punishment) to combat the behavior of the new type of "rogue" student the schools must try to educate nowadays.
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Mike, I did not mean to imply your movement was leaning towards the position of support for levies, but reinforcing your accurate statement with property decline and less tax collection, we al will be on the hook to make up for the short-fall on the past levy, let alone the new ones around the corner, the vicious cycle just doesn't end.
 
I'd like to think mentoring would help, but the realism in Middletown is, and I say this with sadness and not satire, the city residents and city leadership don't care bout the city, so do you think we could get enough enthusiasm to help uplift the lost souls that cannot even find a job in Middletown? There are none.
 
Who caused the problem? Well, Monroe was a huge hit, but has prospered. Price was useless and a puppet working on "diversity." The city's culpability? Ms. Andrew points to Section 8. Who brought in all those vouchers? Council. Why? To fill the void in overcapacity in housing stock. The result? Students who flounder, who can't read, have no hope, see no purpose, no direction. Aboust as glim as it is for many college grads right now.
 
So the solution would:
 
a) eliminate section 8----paraphrasing Doug Adkins, "steady as she goes", so in 15 years, there will be a reduction
 
b) mentor program- uplift and nurture students? Gladly would participate, but they have no cash, even afford to get to school at $4.00 gallon? No hope. See military as an option but college isn't even on the radar.
 
c) Open Enrollment? No, too many getting out of MCSD than coming in, nice schools and all the rhetoric about Project Kal and others, never panned out. Cincinnati State, MUM, free tuition? Won't happen.
 
d) Vouchers? Sure...all the concerned parents will take the voucher and put Mary and Joey into the catholic system or a private, bye Middletown.
 
e) No traction, spinning the wheels, stuck on CI?
 
My answer is e, and that brings the crumbling around us all, from the city's ineptmess to its affect upon the school system,
 
Others have a solution? Buehler?.......Buehler?   
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Acclaro,
By being "more supportive" I did not mean to imply that I would have voted for or helped to get levies passed.  However, if they would've admitted the real problem, as Ms. Adrew did above, I certainly would have been willing to work towards finding answers. Throwing more money in the directions Price was pointing did nothing.
 
As with the city as a whole, if you don't face the real problems, you will never solve them.
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I agree with Ms. Andrews' assessment of the MCSD performance -- actually it's pretty much common sense and most in town can point to the reasons given for our testing performance.  I also agree with her premise that the quality of education may not be that different than other districts, espcially if the student is engaged.  
 
So why does the person posting above talk about sending their child to Fenwick?  The same reason many would -- too many reports of the high school resembling a zoo.  It's one thing if I know there are many kids in that building who don't care about their education...as long as they're not affecting my kids. But when you allow them to poison the environment with outrageous behavior, threats, blatant disrespect and abuse of staff, drugs, incidents requiring police involvement...well now you're making Fenwick or Mid Christian look mighty attractive.
 
Ms. Andrews, I agree with your point that many of the students lost in the 2000's were middle class and up and they normally did well on tests.  Well, your current regime is not helping matters by allowing Vail and the High School to have reputations for lack of order, accountability, etc.  That rep will surely drive more students away.
 
I'm guessing the answer is cost and legality, but can't Verity be turned into a day care for the troubled students that seem to have a future consisting of at best a McD's hat and at worst either a jail bed or a coffin?  If you can thatch your lawn, the remaining grass will flourish.
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jsmith....as I suspected, Middletown really runs a lean and mean shop huh? I have generations in my family that teach/ taught, and have always been appalled by the supers who double dip, and the enormity of the overhead that has been created, and tenure, as if a school teacher was a doctorate whom wrote 30 books on relativity and was published in scientific magazines. I doubt if you could find a more bloated entity, including federal government, or waste, with the exception of federal contracting for Defense spending.
 
While appreciating the openness of dialogue by Ms. Andrew, the sad reality is the fact that 70% of the student population is within the band of "poverty". What does that do to getting more students to enroll in the district, increase or decrease? What does that accompanying result do to your property valuation; increase or decrease? And Mr. Presta, from your previous posts a year ago on the levy, who will be making up the difference in the dollars spent per pupil with such facts revealed? The state, the city, or the local property owner? Therein lies the cycle. How is Middletown doing in open enrollment; increasing or decreasing?
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Ms. Andrew:

Thank you for the above post!!! I am in complete agreement with 95% of it, as are probably a host of others that have been perceived as opponents.

Even more unfortunately, we have been aware of that information for years and if that would have been the gist of the District’s case for passage of levies, we would’ve been much more supportive.

Instead, we were handed garbage such as: “Vote for this levy! Kids can learn in old buildings.” which did nothing but alienate and enrage those of us who knew better and were insulted by such drivel (since we received fine educations in “old buildings”.)

The truth always works the best. The truth is your friend!!!

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Middletown City Schools say they are trimming the budget, making cuts and are not top heavy when it comes to administration.....Look at the MCSD website. 20 years ago, when Middletown and Monroe were a combined district,  larger, there were 4 departments in the administration building. Today  I counted 8 departments.  I understand that a business needs someone to run it but this is ridiculous.
 
 At one time there was a Facilities Department, staffed with one manager and several others who were classified employees.  Now there is a Dept. of Business Services staffed with a Business Manager, Manager of Operations, Transportation Coordinator (why wasn't that position cut if Peterman Bus Service is taking over?), an Asst. Supervisor (doesn't say to what) and several others (and there are less buildings now). 
 
In the Dept. of Learning  there is a Senior Director (I believe this used to be the Asst. Superintendent  until taxpayers complained when they were passing the last levy) so they changed the title of the position and hired someone else.  There are 4 Curriculum Coordinators, Data Specialist and a Curriculum Consultant (this position was listed in the Journal in the salaries as $75, 000.00 a year).  There is a Data Specialist in the Dept. of Learning and in each elementary school there is a Data Manager.  These are former classroom teachers making $75,000.00 or more a year but instead of teaching, they are crunching numbers to make the data look good.  So, what does the Data Specialist do?  Does this give you some idea of what I'm talking about?
 
These are 2 of the departments in the administration building, there are 6 more and they all have Directors, Coordinators, Assistants and Specialists. 
 
To add to all of this Middletown has a job opening FOR A NEW POSITION in the administration building for a "Senior Director of Instructional Leaders".  This too will turn into its own department and have assistants, coordinators and of course, everyone has their own secretary. 
 
The Department of Student Services has a supervisor, a couple coordinators, attendance officers and 7 secretaries.
 
A football coach was recently hired.  He will be making about $60,000.00 (plus another $20,000.00 in supplementals) to check attendance.  A job that was once held by a classified employee.  This stems from the last football coach, who I believe wasn't certified to teach high school (is this one?), so they created this position for him and the new coach slid right into it.
 
You asked about the students at the high school?  It's a terrible situation.  There is no control, no respect.  Students taken out in handcuffs before the day even begins. Some of the students are sent to an area called A+. This is used for some students instead of being suspended or expelled as a way to make up their work. By the way, there are several full time certified staff members in A+ making $70,000.00 a year (or more) with 2 or 3 students in their room at a time.
 
Recently there were cuts made but  they cut the positions of the staff who are there for the students such as the hall monitors in the high school, the aides and the library managers along with other classified positions that are low pay who assist the students.  Recently, the headlines in the Journal have been about gang fights at the high school, parents who are suing the district and showing up at the school tossing "holy" water at the students and the hall monitors are cut who are out there with an eye on what's going on.  The elementary schools had classified, low paid library managers who ALL lost their jobs.  The libraries will be staffed with volunteers.  Will the volunteers have background checks?  Will they be rated "highly qualified" by the Ohio Dept. of Ed.?  No they will not but the library managers were.  There were 2 positions cut from the administration building and that is supposed to be something for us to praise the school board about?  Give me a break. 
 
You can show up at the board meetings, ask all you want, it's all smoke and mirrors.  You will never get the entire truth. 
 
Keep an eye on it all and you will see....Next year they will hire the administrators back and say, "We found a grant to fund that" or "The cuts from the state weren't as bad as we thought".
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Well like with anything theres multi-levels of issues that need to be seperated and dealt with one at a time which in this "I need it now" world is difficult.  Ms. Andrews states, which I agree, you need participation from the student. More importantly you need the parents to help backup the teachers. The general public has very little idea of the "layers" of what can or can't be done to enforce a student to simply attend school and learn. We have allowed the state to take it's eye off the ball of education. I will have to make a choice within the next two years on the school we will send a child to, drop $7500 a year at Fenwick, drive to Monroe or send them to MHS which I've been told and if wrong please correct me had over 250 arrest last year with not one student expelled. This was told to me and backed up by several police officers.  Ms. Andrews thank you for taking time to provide the few of use with info. The thread began with a school system cutting cost and a AD taking a pay cut, should our system and it's employees do the same? I would hope not but until the gallery is full during each school board meeting with interested parents and tax payers asking questions and showing up to school to find out whats happening within the school I guess we will continue to chase our on tail. But If in fact I'm correct about the arrest rate why do we continue to allow these so called students back in?  Thank you 
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Amazing a group of three young black high school students from the inner cities, that had never ridden on a horse before, with just a little bit of nourishment and support, became the Nationa Polo Champions for 2011, earned a $40,000. scholarship to a top prep school, and then the Ivy leagues, when "handicapped" from socioeconomic disadvantage to national champions, through mentoring. Of course, in Middletown, the results are attributed to:
 
1) Section 8- the parents just don't care and the kids just cannot compete.
 
2) Poor parents who just don't care.
 
Brick and mortar does not make for an education, and what a shame those vouchers aren't available yet for privates to be used an an alternative to underperforming publics. The newsletter will be sorely missed. What a struggle we have in Middletown. And just imagine how any potential resident must think about Middletown as a school system from the above. I always was interested to statistically correlate Middletown's 4.0 student and ACT with Oakwood's 4.0 student and ACT score. Swathmore says otherwise as to equal footing on competing. 
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Ms. Andrew - Thank you for your post. I appreciate your insight and perspective on this situation. Your comment about socio-economic background as a predictor of standardized test results was something that I had suspected. i agree that it would be more beneficial to the district if the breakdown in test scores by income level.
 
I agree with you that even the most effective teacher can't make a child learn. It is a two way street, desire by the student and an emphasis on education in the home can greatly improve this situation. Something else struck me about how students are "mainstreamed" now. In your opinion, is this a detriment to teaching? I've had comments from others that because you have classes with wide disparities in abilities, it causes the entire process to slow down. Back in my day (God I hate that phrase), classes were separated by abilities so that the needs of individual students didn't impede the progress of others. Somehow, that seems to have been interpreted as discrimination instead of what it is, teaching to the abilities of the student. If a student can't read, there's no reason for him to hold an entire class back. Students learn in different ways and if one method is not having good result another can be employed. That option seems to have been eliminated with the current system.
I do find it odd that there are standards for what should be learned. In  certain subjects like math, reading or writing I see the logic but in other subjects like history, science and government you get into the opinion problem. Whose version of history, what constitutes science fact from religious dogma are much trickier areas to determine content. I agree that test-taking skills are essential if the success or failure of the entire district rides on these tests. I never have liked the testing idea as the measure of quality education but as you say, you've got to play the hand that's dealt you.
 
I appreciate your time and the information you've shared. This kind of dialogue is essential to inform and educate the public about our school district and the challenges it faces. My hope is that as a community we can overcome the challenges and have a school system that we all pe proud of.
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Mr. Barille, thank you for your post. I agree that significant continued effort is required. I did not mean to imply otherwise in my post.
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