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Kujani1840 the school system is a major problem.  I moved here 6 years ago with the same assumption as you that the school system would improve before my child got to Middle School it didn't happen and I don't see it happening anytime In the next 10+ years under the current circumstances.  My son now goes to private school.
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Does Section 8 help or hurt city?

In the past 10 years, residents using the program have more than doubled.

By Ed Richter, Staff Writer
1:02 AM Sunday, July 19, 2009

MIDDLETOWN — While the term “Section 8” may evoke different ideas in the minds of Middletonians, it is a public program meant to provide rent subsidies for low- to moderate-income families to live in safe, decent and clean housing.

Its roots date back to the federal laws enacted during the Great Depression, and now Section 8 also includes programs that provide housing assistance to the elderly and disabled in public and private complexes and rental houses.

Jim Cunningham of the Cincinnati office of the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, said the “tenant-based program allows people to rent on the open market. The tenant pays 30 to 40 percent of the rent.”

Cunningham said tenants pay their portion to the landlord while the housing authority pays the difference in the rent for units that must meet HUD housing quality standards.

According to HUD regulations, there is no limit on how long a person may keep a voucher, so long as the income limits — no more than 50 percent of the median income for the county or city — are not exceeded.

Also, the vouchers are portable and can be used anywhere in the United States.

HUD spends more than $16.8 billion annually on the housing choice program that nationally assists more than 1.4 million households.

Growth of Section 8

The 1,662 housing choice vouchers assigned to the Middletown Public Housing Authority represent about 7 percent of the city’s households.

As of Wednesday, July 15, there were 1,576 active vouchers in use, according to the city’s Community Revitalization Department.

While it has been proposed to reduce the number of vouchers to about 800 through attrition, Middletown City Council has not moved forward with the proposal.

“I believe that the Section 8 program is a good program that benefits people in need,” said City Manager Judy Gilleland. “We need to ensure that Middletown residents have access to affordable housing, and Section 8 vouchers help to that end.”

Middletown, along with Parma, are the only two municipally run public housing agencies in Ohio. Throughout the rest of the state, public housing is overseen by county or multicounty housing authorities.

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In its 2009 budget, the city projected to receive more than $11.75 million in federal funding for the Section 8 voucher program.

The number of vouchers in Middletown has more than doubled from 767 in 2000 to 1,662 in 2009. In federal funding, that has grown from $2.47 million in 2000 that is pumped into the city’s economy.

The program is big business for local landlords, with some owning as many as 20 to more than 40 rental units.

Housing ‘imbalance’

In 2008, Gilleland proposed transferring the 30-year-old program to the Butler Metropolitan Housing Authority because the city was not equipped to administer the complex program.

She also cited the imbalance of Section 8 housing vouchers in Middletown compared to Butler County, which has just under 1,000.

Middletown holds more than 50 percent of the housing choice vouchers in Butler County, yet the city only represents about 15 percent of the county’s population. The city’s poverty rate also nearly doubled the past eight years from 12 to 22 percent.

She said the city in the past acquired vouchers “without a conscious conversation with Council.”

City staff in 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2003 wrote letters of support in applications seeking an additional 790 vouchers. The applications were prepared by CONSOC Housing Consultants of Columbus, which has managed the program for the past 19 years. Council gave its approval as part of its annual consolidated plan sent to HUD.

Although City Council capped the number of vouchers at 1,554, HUD also converted 108 site-based units to the housing choice program, which increased the total to its current level at 1,662 vouchers.

Addressing issues

“The city of Middletown has experienced issues with Section 8 housing,” Gilleland said. “The city wasn’t doing its due diligence with housing inspections and criminal activity among the residents of Section 8 residents.”

In May, City Council ratified a new three-year contract with CONSOC, and both are now working on updating the administrative plan and policies to ensure there is quality housing and to curtail criminal activity, Gilleland said. Some tenants involved in criminal activity already have lost vouchers.

“We’ve tightened up the provisions ... and we’re confident that there will be major improvements in the Section 8 program in the very near future,” she said. “In fact, we’ve seen some positive changes already.”

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 I do hope you find the perfect home for your family... Middletown or otherwise :)
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Thanks for the information. We're still not even sure if we'll be moving or not but if we do we would really like to get one of the houses that I mentioned. Now, we're not looking for the house on 502 Main, even though it is breath taking, but it is just WAY too big. I don't know what kind of problems it has, but it looks like a good deal from the pictures, anyway. My friends and family that I have asked about the area pretty much say the same thing; Middletown is a ghost town, but there aren't a lot of problems (crime) out there. I spent 27 years living in Butler County living in the county part of Hamilton, so I'm familiar with the crime in Hamilton. Right now we're still excited about moving there and we hope to be able to view some of the homes that we're interested in before too much longer. Thanks again.
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I apologize for my typos, but I didn't proof read it until after I had posted my reply.
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Wow folks, no wonder people are moving out. Anyway, to me from the old fish place down to the stadium I hardly see any activity. I know several families that have lived in that stretch with no problems. There are far far worse places to live for certain. There are no places to go within a few miles and don't kid yourselves that their is for modern entertainment. Union Centre area, Bridgewater heck even the Greene in Beavercreek are not that far if you want wined and dined or even Cincinnati. That stretch of houses is beautiful, when I tell people I am from Middletown they almost always mention those homes. Franklin has a similar area by the lion bridge as does Hamilton on Dayton and then even better on D street, top end. I now live in a boring subdivision and wish I would have chosen something different, it is great house with nice neighbors but I feel like Ward Cleaver is going to show up at any moment. The best place I ever lived was in the gaslight area of Clifton - beautiful old homes, a real entertainment district, eclectic folks and a weird sense of safety, real or not. But for almost 300K right now you could find a steal out in one of the townships, 2-5 acres nice house, etc. It is a hard call because your kids won't have a cul de sac to play which is a great benefit to sub living.
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Some of you have been very helpful and I appreciate the time that you have taken to give me some personal insight. It seems that a lot of others just want to argue with each other about , well, anything really.   From what I can gather from the useful comments, Middletown is a lot like Hamilton; there are nice areas and not so nice areas. Our main concern as far as the area is the crime. We're not real thrilled about the school system based upon the research that we have done, but our children won't be starting for a few years and we'll be able to explore private schools or other alternatives by then if they haven't improved. To the person that sent me the like to the house, I apologize if I sounded like an ass in my response, but I thought that I may have given the wrong impression with my question. Someone mentioned about the job of keeping up an historic home; is there anything different to caring for a home that is historic as far as ordinances or is it just the size of the house, etc? Would the 500-700 block of South Main Street be considered the nicer part or is it closer to the bad part? I've noticed a lot of press and comments about Section 8 housing; is Section 8 scattered throughout Middletown or is it isolated? Where are the apartment complexes located? In my experience I have found that crime normally surrounds apartment complexes. With the Section 8 housing and rental property, it's usually not as bad because there are usually home owners amongst them so the area doesn't look as bad. Unfortunately, renters don't normally care about the house that they're renting so they don't do a whole lot with them. However, with today's economy a lot of good people find themselves having to lease and rent homes, often times leading to the purchase of the home; do you find that to be true in the area? I've also seen many comments about North, South, East, New Middletown....what is the significance of the areas? We're looking to move into an early 1900s home and we understand that it will most likely need significant work, which we are OK with. We're not looking to flip a house, but to make it our home for several years. Does anyone know anything about the 7th Avenue area near South Main? I've noticed a lot of multi family homes for sale; has anyone heard of someone buying the homes to make them single family homes again? The homes did look to be in good condition from the pictures, so hopefully someone who cares about the property will keep them in good shape and insist on good tenants. There doesn't seem to be much faith in the local community leaders from all of the complaining. It sounds like a lot of Middletown's problems stem from irresponsible leadership. Why would a city put all of their financialy "eggs"  into one basket (ie AK Steel). If they could have built other businesses around AK and encouraged local business owners and helped them with their businesses, they could have probably done much better. I've asked a lot of questions and you all could tell me to jump off of a bridge, but I do appreciate your time. Even though I hear a lot of negative comments on these blogs I will say that Middletown looks very nice from the pictures, anyway. Whether or not we wind up living amongst you, we sincerely hope that someone will take charge and make Middletown beautiful again. It is such a shame to see these beautiful old buildings neglected so much. I also hate to see people wanting them torn down because they're old. New buildings always look new no matter how they're designed. Any town can have nice new buildings, but a town that takes pride in its' history and preserves its' heritage is something special. Thank you.
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Not sure how well versed you are in punctuation , but !!! those exclamation points tend to mean yelling, which is what you used in your original comment about my age. So dont start yelling if you cant take it. You are the one said that you gave up, dont be mad when I call you on it. As for being a Liberal, I dont think so, I just hate people that are negative and blame everyone else for the problems we face. If you want to see change you have to step up and make it happen, Dont be a quitter.
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Originally posted by Mr. Dave Mr. Dave wrote:

wow, your older than me good for you, does that mean you know more or are smarter than me...I think not. Why does everyone think you need to be apart of some group approved the city to do anything. Who is stopping you from taking part in things in your own neighborhood. To have them listen to you they should be a quitter, do you really need permission to take part in community involvement?  Myself and several of my neighborers go out once a week and clean up OUR street and look after one another. That Sir is community involvement.
 
I do not like the city leaders in OUR town but i do not them or anyone else dictate what i am gonna do. Maybe if you didn't you would see a different Middletown, but you just keep on waiting for someone else to fix the problem, that will get it done. It's people like you (those that give up) that make this town not worth fighting for, not the city leaders or the "THEY" you speak of.  



Thank you for being Rude! Now i can say it "Myyy way" ( thx Franko!). You are an Idiot Sir!  I only referenced my "seniority" BECAUSE you said "30 yrs" like it GAVE you credibility. As to Community Involvement, are you so thick you did not understand that I gave up doing that, probably when you were a Child, because of the reasons I LISTED. Please reread if you have a comprehension Problem.

You talk like you are Liberal. Are you? Liberals always think THEIR way is the right way and that any one disagreeing is clearly a quiter.

I am a bit of a quiter. I am going to quit trying to make you understand a point other than your own. Obviously that is a waste of time. Your right and everyone else is wrong.
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I just bought a house on Yankee and it isn't bad there... as long as you don't go past south park. Between the other far end of South park... towards 8th ave, the area between Yankee and S Main becomes kind of iffy. The whole reason why I moved there was to fix up and old house. At the time, there were no houses for sale on South Main, otherwise I would have most likely bought one there, but I am happy on Yankee. Nobody bothers us and our neighbors have been really nice. House is in solid shape too..
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wow, your older than me good for you, does that mean you know more or are smarter than me...I think not. Why does everyone think you need to be apart of some group approved the city to do anything. Who is stopping you from taking part in things in your own neighborhood. To have them listen to you they should be a quitter, do you really need permission to take part in community involvement?  Myself and several of my neighborers go out once a week and clean up OUR street and look after one another. That Sir is community involvement.
 
I do not like the city leaders in OUR town but i do not them or anyone else dictate what i am gonna do. Maybe if you didn't you would see a different Middletown, but you just keep on waiting for someone else to fix the problem, that will get it done. It's people like you (those that give up) that make this town not worth fighting for, not the city leaders or the "THEY" you speak of.  
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Originally posted by Mr. Dave Mr. Dave wrote:

Spider, I was not talking about you, I do know who you are and I know all that you have done and do in this town. It does get old though watching all these people here talk so negatively about the city I have lived in for more than 30 years.



Wow, 30 years! Well, I have been here for 53 years. Does that trump you? I gave up on "Community Involvement"  a long time ago. To have them listen to you, you first have to join the Club. In order to "jion" the Club, you have to give up your own ideas and just embrace those that they give you. If you say you have never experience that, then you are naturally in line with them already. Try bringing up something they do not want to hear and see how welcome you feel.

There is a "Cliche" Group that runs things and if you are outside that Group, you had better be a Member of some protected Class or have lots of Money, because short of those things you will not be listened to. I saw it many times, including some that involved Spider, so I certainly know where He is coming from.


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Spider, I was not talking about you, I do know who you are and I know all that you have done and do in this town. It does get old though watching all these people here talk so negatively about the city I have lived in for more than 30 years.
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wow Mr.Dave
since I was an early responder, I assume you talk at me about negativity and no involvement.
I was trying to be as honest as possible to a potential new up-scale resident, as opposed to the realtor blurb.
 
I toured many homes there and the Highland district b4 buying a comparable home elsewhere. I have lived here 50+ years in every part of this town and know it pretty well.
I have also been involved in the community in many ways, also frequenting Council/Commission meetings until I wore out my welcome. Vet  has seen me there on many occasions.
I currently serve on two city boards and have served on others(chairing one for 2 terms).
Not sure that I will be re-appointed next year, though the board/dept. wants me. Council/Admin may not.
 
The community has treated me very well, and I try to return the favor.
So--if you imply that I don't back up my talk or am completely negative, I would strongly disagree with you.
But that is ok--think however you like.
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I agree with swohio.
 
South Main may not give you a great ROI when you move, but it could be a great place to live. The neighbors seem to have created good community, the architecture is beautiful, and downtown amenities (i.e. library, post office, YMCA, etc.) are very close by.
 
As far as crime, I have heard mixed reviews. The neighborhood is certainly liveable, though, no question. Since you are from Hamilton, I will suggest it is very similar to Dayton Lane historic district. The core varies from the surrounding neighborhood.
 
While closer proximity to First Avenue is preferrable, the future of Forest Hills Country Club could be development. Although the club has been revived thanks to the closing of Armco Park, the long-term is a question. Not that development is a negative thing, but if you don't want your surroundings to change or be under construction, it is something to consider.
 
Indeed, the Highlands is a great alternative for a historic home, but can be pricey (similar to Highland Park or Forest Hills in Hamilton). Upper Arlington around Sunset Park has some great homes as well, as does Arlington (streets south of Central just to the west and down the hill from the Highlands). Both are more affordable. We have friends who have lived in Arlington for many years and really enjoy it.
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Originally posted by Kujani1840 Kujani1840 wrote:

      Ok, I'm not looking for a realtor to find me a home. Obviously, I'm already looking at houses in the area or I wouldn't have posted this. I'm just looking for some opinions from residents, not suggestions for houses. Thanks.


Gotcha. I am not a realtor btw.

Purchasing a home in the South Main Historical District is risky. If you do purchase, I would not consider it an investment for long-time financial growth, but rather as a place to live.

If you are going to purchase, now is probably the right time with values where they are at. I agree with those who say that you should consider homes closer to First Avenue--and I will add those that back up to Forest Hills Country Club.

PRISM seems to be a strong neighborhood association, so that is a big plus. Recent zoning changes in the area are also positive for homeowners in the District. Makes it more difficult to sub-divide the larger homes into rentals.

Should downtown see revitalization (and we are talking 15-20 years in the making), it could (and that's a very big could) pay off for you in the long-run. If you are willing to make that kind of commitment. Personally, I believe downtown will eventual turn around, but it is going to take some time. It will never be the commercial/office district it was in its heyday though.

It takes a certain kind of person to own, restore and maintain a historical home. You need to ask yourself if you are up to it.

There are also plenty of older homes in Middletown. The new Highlands Historic District around the hospital. The Sunset area and Park Place just east of downtown. The homes may not be as large and may not have as much character, but you don't see a lot of cookie cutter like you would in new subdivisions.

As I said, I am not a realtor, but here are a few other options to consider:

http://www.sibcycline.com/viewlisting.asp?mls=1199796&b=CIN&p=RESI&s=SFRD&m=1&sender=SearchResults&a=1-McKnight-Dr-Middletown-South-OH-45044

My personal favorite at the moment on the market:

http://www.sibcycline.com/viewlisting.asp?mls=1183643&b=CIN&p=RESI&s=SFRD&m=1&sender=SearchResults&a=615-Stanley-St-Middletown-South-OH-45044

http://www.sibcycline.com/viewlisting.asp?mls=1184419&b=CIN&p=RESI&s=SFRD&m=1&sender=SearchResults&a=2709-Flemming-Rd-Middletown-South-OH-45042

http://www.sibcycline.com/viewlisting.asp?mls=1199330&b=CIN&p=RESI&s=SFRD&m=1&sender=SearchResults&a=107-Ardmore-Dr-Middletown-North-OH-45042

http://www.sibcycline.com/viewlisting.asp?mls=1171762&b=CIN&p=RESI&s=SFRD&m=1&sender=SearchResults&a=2606-Flemming-Rd-Middletown-North-OH-45042

http://www.sibcycline.com/viewlisting.asp?mls=1182431&b=CIN&p=RESI&s=SFRD&m=1&sender=SearchResults&a=117-Kenwood-Dr-Middletown-North-OH-45042

http://www.sibcycline.com/viewlisting.asp?mls=1191323&b=CIN&p=RESI&s=SFRD&m=1&sender=SearchResults&a=3201-McGee-Ave-Middletown-South-OH-45044

Not sure what your price range is, but there are a variety of options above. I have also heard that Hook Mansion on Alameda Circle is on the market for sale by own with a price of around $600k. Heard it may end up in foreclosure.

Happy House hunting. And hopefully a welcome to Middletown.


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Mr. Dave- Thank you for your compassion. It is appreciated. She is doing outpatient rehab, once a week. Has feeling in her left arm and leg, but still can't move them. I have a new respect for the care-givers and the patience and mental capacity to deal with constant giving of themselves to the care of the patient. My son, his wife and I are currently learning the patience and mental capacity thing as we are constantly tending to her needs. Have called all the Butler County agencies that deal with her situation. We don't qualify- must have an income below 24 thou and must be 65. We are above 24 thou and she is 58. We go on. A life changer- for sure!
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[QUOTE=lrisner]Mr Dave, I am sorry to have to say this, but you MUST be a Realtor or have some other Business Interest in promoting Middletown.
 
 
No I am not in the Real estate biz, nor do I have a Biz interest in promoting Middletown. what I am is citizen that has lived here his entire life and is sick to death of everyone just talking SH*& about Middletown. GO out and do something to help the town. If you dont like council go down there and tell them, least Vet shows up there ( yes Vet I see you there) You act like someone else should do the work that you bitch about, why not help out some.
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Mr Dave, I am sorry to have to say this, but you MUST be a Realtor or have some other Business Interest in promoting Middletown. Our fair City has, and will continue, to decline. The attitude in City Hall has clearly shown that they are "Business as usual" and that unfortunately will cause the Decline to gather more Steam.

What Plan has been put in place to deal with the failing Infrastructure? None! They are committed to let the streets fail to such a point as to FORCE the Citizens to vote a Repair Levy in place. I personally will not vote for one even if Central Ave is in Gravel.

How can anyone be "positive" when things are as they are? Only the naive, or the Financially involved, in my opinion! I hope to bring change thru Educating People to the problems and HOPE that enough listen  so that there will someday be a vocal Majority demanding the "Right Stuff". Ms City Mamager saying that the Down Town "is Booming" does nothing but hurt the City's Credibility as it is a Blantant Spin , at best!

We need action, not lame PR.
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WOW - what a sells job on the demographics.  My sides are hurting so bad from laughing at that.  Seriously, I know of someone that was interested in this paticular home and they said there were a lot of updates that needed to be done.  just check it out for yourself to make sure that is what you are wanting to do.  Also have your realtor give you the list of what can and can not be done to this house as it is in a historical district (there are restrictions).  Since you live in Georgia - you need to come see the area for yourself, everyone will have there own opinions on what they consider to be a good area or not. 
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Mr. Vet, First and Foremost: I hope your wife is feeling better and that you had a nice Christmas. As for my supporting these city leaders...I do not at all I believe what they have down to my city is shameful. But I do not need Mr. Mulligan or Mrs. Gilleland's permission to do something positive in this town. Vet, I do not claim to have the answers on how to fix this town, I do know that it is not an easy job. All I am saying is lets try to focus on the good things for a few min.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mr. Dave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec 28 2009 at 10:25am
Wasteful,  I am assuming you can read, I never said that Middletown had a scenic downtown or that theTown Mall was a popular place. I asked why you and everyone else have to focus on the negative all the time. Why not tell this person that South Main is close to Smith Park, which is a nice park. why not tell them that Middletown is going through some changes and we are hopeful that things will get better here and we would welcome some new people to town. Instead you post a pic that says just the opposite. Dont you grow tired of being such a negative person?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote VietVet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Dec 28 2009 at 10:23am
Mr. Dave- we are just frustrated at the direction and condition of our town. We care- just don't know who to talk to, to discuss our issues. Can't address the issues in the Council meetings- Mulligan and company won't answer our questions and engage in any dialogue. Try e-mails- sometimes they respond- most don't. Try Letters To The Editor- they won't respond to those either. Short of driving to their house and knocking on their door, (resulting on the cops being called, I'm sure), we can't seem to get them to listen to us "complainers". You state "if you people spent half as much time out in the community doing something positive as you did on here complaining about everything and everyone maybe you would see some change in this town." Perhaps- BUT- it is awfully hard gearing yourself up to do something positive in this town, when you are overwhelmed by the group of city leaders that make such high impact/wrong direction/ town destroying decisions on a routine basis, completely overshadowing anything positive that you could possibly come up with. How else can you explain how the city went from a prosperous, respectable working-class town to what we see today? The downfall in the last 30 years has been a result of the city leadership decisions concerning the direction of this town made by the very people you are attempting to defend. Why would you support these people? JMO
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Hey Dave please enlighten us as to the "Scenic Downtown" and the "Popular Towne Mall".  Sometimes the truth hurts and some people just like walking around with blinders on, ignoring the facts.
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I just love how people are so negative all the time. Here someone ask a legitimate question and one or two people actually answer the question, Everybody else just talks about what Middletown doesn't have or why someone shouldn't move here. You people are something else, I read these post everyday and people are always asking why city officials wont come here and answer questions, do you really not know. I cant blame them for not wanting to come to a site and be belittled.
 
If you people spent half as much time out in the community doing something positive as you did on here complaining about everything and everyone maybe you would see some change in this town.
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