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Pacman 
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 Topic: New Dem House Health Care Bill at 1990 PagesPosted: Oct 29 2009 at 11:45am |
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And they want a vote next week and send it to the Prez by 11-11. Typical government action vote and don't even know what you are voting for.
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John Beagle
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Posted: Oct 29 2009 at 12:43pm |
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The dems don't have time to read all the fine print. They have other 'screw the small business person' bills to get approved too. Like cap and trade and more stimulus plans that don't stimulate anything except hatred of big government spending.
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Posted: Oct 29 2009 at 1:05pm |
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I love this stuff. There have been approximently 60 bills in the last 20 years that have been 2000+ pages. The orginal Medicare bill was 3500 and Medicad 2800.
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Posted: Oct 29 2009 at 1:28pm |
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Sorry, I forgot to mention, the following legislation was also passed over the objection and rejection of the Republican faction of Congress at the time. Social Security, 1932 / The Civil Rights Act, 1965 / The Voting Rights Act, 1966 / The Fair Housing Act, 1968 / Americans with Disabilities Act, 1990 / These are the ones I can think of right off the top of my head,but I would think it's safe to say that most of the progressive legislation that has served millions of our fellow American citizens over the years has come over the objection of a Republican Congress. Have a nice day.
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2000+
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Posted: Oct 29 2009 at 1:41pm |
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As to the Stimulus thing, I recall it was designed to pick up after the cost of a 1.4 trillion ginned-up war, the worst economic meltdown since the Great Depression, millions of jobs lost, homes forclosed, retirement saving's gone and God only knows what's next in the Bush/Cheny legacy of the P&A war. JMO
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Bocephus
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Posted: Oct 29 2009 at 2:07pm |
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2000+ are you one of those people that think what ever obama and his liberal buddies are doing to this Country can be justified because of what republicans and george w. did in the past? Could it be possible that both bush,obama and both parties are wrong ? We need to vote on people to represent us and not because of the party they belong to.
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Mr.PawnBroker
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Posted: Oct 29 2009 at 2:15pm |
Actually, democrats tried to holdup the passage of the Civil Rights Act. And by % more republicans voted for it than did democrats as well as the Voting Act. And tell your kids how great democrats are when they have to pay back all this spending they're doing. Have a nice day.
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Pacman
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Posted: Oct 29 2009 at 2:52pm |
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/29/house-democratic-bill-ceremony-closed-public/?feat=home_top5_readOriginally published 12:53 p.m., October 29, 2009, updated 01:00 p.m., October 29, 2009House health bill ceremony closed to publicHouse Democrats blocked the public from attending the unveiling ceremony of their health-care bill Thursday morning, allowing only pre-approved visitors whose names appeared on lists to enter the event at the West side of the Capitol. The audience at the crowded press conference included Hill staffers, union workers, health care providers and students, according to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who thanked them for attending. Mrs. Pelosi and other Democratic leaders announced the chamber's long-awaited version of a health care overhaul, which would expand insurance coverage to 36 million uninsured Americans, costing less than $900 billion over 10 years. The West side of the Capitol - the area where President Barack Obama was inaugurated - is traditionally open to the public. But the entrances were blocked off Thursday morning by metal fences, with Capitol police officers standing next to staff members holding clipboards with lists of approved attendees. Reporters with press badges were able to get in. Democrats repeatedly touted the openness of the development of their health care bill, which House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer called "the most deliberative, transparent and open process" he had seen in his career on Capitol Hill. A video posted on YouTube by Minority Whip Eric Cantor's office depicted a Republican staffer attempting to attend the press conference and being turned away by a police officer. |
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Pacman
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Posted: Oct 29 2009 at 2:54pm |
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Merrell Wood
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Posted: Oct 29 2009 at 3:58pm |
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I've been away for a while and I just gotta jump in here. The stuff you folks throw around
has always amused me, espically when I'm own my own soapbox, However what's interesting is that someone can make a statement about something specific, even factual, and maybe get 19 out of 20 of their pronouncements right based upon publically acceptable information ....... and unfortunantly it seems that most of the responces are often based alone party line. Obviously it has a lot to do with our own personal DNA, but it also has become so affected by who we hang out with and by where we get our everyday news. If I may quote myself from my "guest column" in the Middletown Journal, October 9th.
"The expansive and divergent nature of our talk radio and television news sources allow people of all political persuasions to immerse themselves in an ocean of like minded reporting and analysis. A diffused media is a double edged sword: It permits more viewpoints to be heard, but it also fosters polarization, since it enables people to get their news primarily from sources that share their beliefs. This selective saturation of information leaves us convinced that we are right and incredulous at the notion that others do not see the world as we do; hence the angry polarization of our nation's political conversation."
JMO
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wasteful
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Posted: Oct 29 2009 at 4:41pm |
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I have to chuckle, Merrell you fit you own analysis above to a "T", right down the Liberal line, maybe even well left of center. Let me guess you are an MSNBC, NBC, Huffington Post, DailyKos.com kind of guy.
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Merrell Wood
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Posted: Oct 29 2009 at 4:54pm |
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Wasteful, I only get my news from Middletown USA. All kidding aside, are you telling us your "take" on the world holds no prejudice as to your news source? I don't think I've ever met someone of that ilk... |
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wasteful
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Posted: Oct 29 2009 at 5:18pm |
 Nope Merrell I didn't say that. I watch various News stations EVERYDAY.....EVERYDAY. I am definitely Conservative and proud of it. I may be Conservative but I also form my own opinion from various News Shows, from FOX, CNN and even MSNBC can't handle to much of them though watch Chris Matthews regularly just to get the other side. Gave up Network news long ago once Peter Jennings passed away.
On the Net read Drudgereport.com, Politico.com, thehill.com, Dickmorris.com, Newt.org, etc.
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wasteful
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Posted: Oct 29 2009 at 8:55pm |
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Here you go Merrell, this is part of the problem with Libs. Don't get me wrong Conervatives have some bomb throwers to but this stuff is comical and does nothing to improve the Liberal base or cause, except make die hard liberals get excited and start cheering. While the rest of us sit here and shake our heads in amazement.
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Posted: Oct 29 2009 at 9:04pm |
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Pacman, So what if "they" wouldn't let in an "unknown person" Republican staffer who just shows up into an invitation event. It's I gottach moment. Once again, who cares? Had I been a Democratic staffer and wanted in without a confermed reservation to the whatever of a whatever, I would have to assume I wouldn't get past the door either.
Talk about "nothing into something," or if you like, "something into nothing."
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Posted: Oct 29 2009 at 9:24pm |
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Wasteful, Please, I must call your attention back to my orginal post that started this dialogue. It's more about our political DNA or the news source that fits us best. I'm sure
you look as I do, at a variety of news sources but we all seem to fall into one or the other that best fits our taste in politics. Why don't you and I start up the "middle of the road" party? But then, I don't think many folks would show up.
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Merrell Wood
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Posted: Oct 29 2009 at 9:31pm |
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Who ever 2001+ is, please get back to your own identity
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Bocephus
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Posted: Oct 29 2009 at 11:22pm |
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Obama,Pelosi and Reid liberals on steroids we can thank Mr.Bush for all three of them,even after Bush and his gang wrecked our economy and Country he is still getting the last laugh on us.Thanks George W. and to those that voted for him.God help us as a nation as these liberals foam at the mouth from being drunk from their new found power and there is no one to stop them. |
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wasteful
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Posted: Oct 29 2009 at 11:49pm |
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Gee 2000+ I think that is pretty much what I said. What I don't get about some of you liberals here is when someone posts a news story that is actually written by a reporter and available to millions on the net or TV you have a fit about it. There was no editorial comment by me or Pacman about Pelosi having Public access to the area blocked off. A news story was just posted, I take it because Pacman found it interesting or maybe comical and petty as I did.
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wasteful
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Posted: Oct 29 2009 at 11:55pm |
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Bocephus, the Dems/liberals will be their own undoing. As far as wrecking the economy yes Bush had a hand in it but it was in the works long before Bush became President. There is plenty of blame to go around on both sides for the economical mess.
If You think it is bad now just wait until the inflation hits it will be shades of Jimmy Carter all over again, if not worse. You can't do and spend like Obama is and not pay the consequences for it.
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Pacman
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Posted: Oct 31 2009 at 2:43am |
Pelosi Health Care Bill Blows a Kiss to Trial Lawyersby Capitol ConfidentialThe health care bill recently unveiled by Speaker Nancy Pelosi is over 1,900 pages for a reason. It is much easier to dispense goodies to favored interest groups if they are surrounded by a lot of legislative legalese. For example, check out this juicy morsel to the trial lawyers (page 1431-1433 of the bill):
So, you can’t try to seek alternatives to lawsuits if you’ve actually done something to implement alternatives to lawsuits. Brilliant! The trial lawyers must be very happy today! While there is debate over the details, it is clear that medical malpractive lawsuits have some impact on driving health care costs higher. There are likely a number of procedures that are done simply as a defense against future possible litigation. Recall this from the Washington Post:
Stay tuned. There are certainly many more terrible, horrible, no-good, very bad provisions in this massive bill. |
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Hermes
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Posted: Oct 31 2009 at 4:52pm |
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How can anyone know the difference between a Dem & Repub in DC ? I can't tell them apart anymore,they all act the same.
Years ago I blamed the democrats, then I switched and blamed the republicans. Now I'm blaming both. I'm starting to think the real blame is on the American people for allowing it.
REVO-LU-CION !! Viva Le Americano !!! Unitas de Los Tados !!! Blah,blah,blah
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Posted: Oct 31 2009 at 6:07pm |
Wow, someone I can agree with! Too much BS and too many "useful Idiots" on both sides! |
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Bocephus
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Posted: Nov 02 2009 at 8:58am |
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We need term limits on all these crooks in DC.But do you think they will vote for it? Too bad our founding fathers couldn't think of everything.
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