City Tax Abatement Deals -- Who Cares???

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WHO CARES??? Don't Middletown taxpayers deserve to know the full public cost of "downtown" tax abatements, city-owned building and/or land give-aways, direct financial "gifts" prior to (and during) the start of actual proejct re-development construction, project completion deadlines, city recourse for re-developer delinquent payment of Butler County property taxes, etc., etc.?  Provided hereafter are four geographically diverse broadcast and print media thought-provoking links on this oft-discussed topic:

Middletown and "Downtown" Tax Abatement Deals
Informative Links -- What's Your Take On This Topic?

Cincinnati, Ohio -- WCPO TV -- Updated October 8, 2017
Over The Rhine Downtown Developers Cash-In On City's Property Tax Deals

http://www.wcpo.com/news/insider/otr-downtown-developers-cash-in-on-citys-property-tax-deals

Springfield, Missouri -- News-Leader -- 10/3/2015
Tax Incentives Play Part in Building Boom Cost

http://www.news-leader.com/story/news/watchdog/2015/10/03/tax-incentives-play-part-building-boom-cost/73280402/

Indiana Economic Digest -- October 28, 2017
City of Evansville, Indiana To Review Tax Abatement Deals

http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&subsectionID=299&articleID=42273

GOVERNING: The States and Localities -- March 13, 2017
When It Comes to Tax Incentives, How Transparent Is Your City?

http://www.governing.com/topics/finance/gov-economic-development-incentives-good-jobs-first.html

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Analytical Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List MUSA Citizen Joined: Nov 19 2015 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 562	Post Options Post Reply Quote Analytical Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: City Tax Abatement Deals -- Who Cares??? Posted: Oct 30 2017 at 4:57pm
	WHO CARES??? Don't Middletown taxpayers deserve to know the full public cost of "downtown" tax abatements, city-owned building and/or land give-aways, direct financial "gifts" prior to (and during) the start of actual proejct re-development construction, project completion deadlines, city recourse for re-developer delinquent payment of Butler County property taxes, etc., etc.? Provided hereafter are four geographically diverse broadcast and print media thought-provoking links on this oft-discussed topic: Middletown and "Downtown" Tax Abatement Deals Informative Links -- What's Your Take On This Topic? Cincinnati, Ohio -- WCPO TV -- Updated October 8, 2017 Over The Rhine Downtown Developers Cash-In On City's Property Tax Deals http://www.wcpo.com/news/insider/otr-downtown-developers-cash-in-on-citys-property-tax-deals *Springfield, Missouri -- News-Leader* -- 10/3/2015 Tax Incentives Play Part in Building Boom Cost http://www.news-leader.com/story/news/watchdog/2015/10/03/tax-incentives-play-part-building-boom-cost/73280402/ Indiana Economic Digest -- October 28, 2017 City of Evansville, Indiana To Review Tax Abatement Deals http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&subsectionID=299&articleID=42273 GOVERNING: The States and Localities -- March 13, 2017 When It Comes to Tax Incentives, How Transparent Is Your City?** http://www.governing.com/topics/finance/gov-economic-development-incentives-good-jobs-first.html

Analytical Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List MUSA Citizen Joined: Nov 19 2015 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 562	Post Options Post Reply Quote Analytical Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Oct 30 2017 at 5:18pm
	Middletown and "Downtown" Tax Abatement Deals Three More Informative Ohio Links -- Who Cares??? Columbus Dispatch -- Updated December 5, 2015 Property-tax breaks for developers shift burden to other taxpayers https://search.aol.com/aol/search?s_it=webmail-searchbox&q=property-tax%20breaks%20for%20developers%20shift%20burden%20to%20other%20taxpayers WCMH TV - Columbus -- Updated June 22, 2017 You Paid For it: Are Columbus tax abatements a burden on taxpayers? http://nbc4i.com/2017/06/22/you-paid-for-it-are-columbus-tax-abatements-a-burden-on-taxpayers/ Dayton Daily News -- August 28, 2015 Downtown Dayton: 80 Percent of Property Tax is Exempt from Taxes http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/news/local/downtown-dayton-percent-property-exempt-from-taxes/3f6F56vSsCN4e6HtrmZmNJ/

spiderjohn Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749	Post Options Post Reply Quote spiderjohn Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Oct 30 2017 at 7:56pm
	Irony being that most businesses on the receiving end are as capable or better to pay the tax than are those citizens and other like businesses who catch the extra burden does anyone monitor pre-conditions and compliance?

Analytical Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List MUSA Citizen Joined: Nov 19 2015 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 562	Post Options Post Reply Quote Analytical Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Oct 30 2017 at 10:15pm
	SpiderJohn, I agree/empathize with you plus other business owners outside of "downtown"! As for prospective re-developer "vetting" procedures/standards, contents of property conveyance documents/re-developer covenants, compliance monitoring, etc., I have no knowledge of how things are done here. May I suggest that you speak with Vivian Moon as she's obtained some relevant city economic development-related documents of note.

Analytical Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List MUSA Citizen Joined: Nov 19 2015 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 562	Post Options Post Reply Quote Analytical Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Nov 01 2017 at 3:05pm
	SWOhio75 - Do you have any comments to offer about the several stalled or incomplete city-subsidized "downtown" community revitalization deals?

FmrMide81 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List MUSA Resident Joined: Aug 26 2012 Status: Offline Points: 188	Post Options Post Reply Quote FmrMide81 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Nov 01 2017 at 4:42pm
	Probably can't hear you over all the axes you're grinding...

Analytical Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List MUSA Citizen Joined: Nov 19 2015 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 562	Post Options Post Reply Quote Analytical Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Nov 01 2017 at 5:27pm
	Former Middie 81 - My suggestion for you is to try concentrating on how your tax dollars have been/are being spent and determining the value/benefit of the outcomes such as these "downtown" deals. If you're satisfied or pleased with the direction the city is headed, then there's nothing much else for you to think about.

FmrMide81 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List MUSA Resident Joined: Aug 26 2012 Status: Offline Points: 188	Post Options Post Reply Quote FmrMide81 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Nov 01 2017 at 8:43pm
	You're spittin' in the wind-do the math. There's about 1700 members on this site. Roughly 100 post on a semi-regular basis. Maybe 10% of that show up to any event concerning city matters. NOBODY CARES ABOUT ANY OF THE CRAP YOU KEEP WHINING ABOUT!!!!!! If they did, things would change. Why can't you get it through your head that the majority are obviously satisfied that the buses are running and the trash is picked up. All the facts and figures in the world won't make people care. I guess if you get your jollies trying to get back at your former employees then all this pseudo-intellectual nonsense serves a purpose-otherwise it's just a waste of keystrokes...