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wasteful
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Posted: Feb 15 2010 at 3:52pm |
Taxpayers help 359 Police Dept. "It's a classic backdoor strategy that hides the |
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wasteful
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contract a raw deal EDITORIAL January 24, 2010 Perhaps it is unreasonable for us to expect that government be "run like a business." But surely taxpayers have the right to demand that government not be run like a failing business. Certainly, the Cincinnati Police Department compensation policies exposed by The Enquirer's Barry M. Horstman - policies that leave taxpayers on the hook for at least $23.6 million in "extra" pay - point to a business model that cannot be sustained, in the public or private sector. The department's outrageously generous contract provisions on compensatory ("comp") time and leave time are job perks you'd never see in the real world of work, but have come to be regarded as entitlements at CPD. As Horstman reports, 359 members of the CPD are eligible for at least six months' extra pay when they retire, and 107 have at least a year's pay coming to them. Ten longtime police officers have racked up at least $200,000 in comp time and leave time, which they may take either in a lump sum or as continued regular paychecks after they retire. One has "earned" an extra five years' pay, or $400,000. • See the Top 10 who'll get more than $200,000 That $23.6 million estimate, moreover, is bound to rise as officers "cash out" at higher final salaries. Much of that cost comes from this especially mind-boggling goodie: Each officer automatically gets a pot of 120 hours of comp time each year - time-and-a-half for 10 eight-hour shifts - as "compensation" simply for the possibility that he or she may have to work on a holiday. Of course, an officer who actually does work on a holiday gets regular pay on top of that. Officers don't have to take any of those 120 hours off, and there is no limit on the amount of comp time that can be carried over from year to year, so officers pile up thousands of hours to cash out when they retire. And that's on top of their pensions. Try getting that kind of deal at your workplace. "If you did these things in business," political scientist Steve Erie of San Diego told Horstman, "you wouldn't be in business long." Well, not unless you had the power to keep tapping the deep pockets of taxpayers, that is. Nobody seems able to explain why such a provision is in the police contract, much less rationalize it, except that the Fraternal Order of Police was able to get it from the city in negotiations, so they took it. And who can blame the officers, really, for accepting what their contract grants them? These stunning revelations come on the heels of which showed that CPD had spent $7 million on overtime in 2009 through November - nearly as much as the rest of city departments combined - even as the city, wrestling with a $51 million deficit, was considering laying off employees. Taken together, these provisions won in contract negotiations over the years mean that officers with more than 19 years on the force can get nearly 10½ weeks of time off a year - more vacation time than most could ever want or hope to use - plus overtime benefits. That's just not right. Long term, city taxpayers face a burden that will grow to even more unmanageable proportions unless major changes are made. Still, it's not fair to place all the blame on Cincinnati officials. You also have to look northward to Columbus, seat of Ohio's state government. In 1984, as Horstman points out, Ohio passed a collective-bargaining law that gave police and firefighters binding arbitration in contract disputes, in exchange for taking away the right to strike. The way the law is drawn, arbitrators must choose either the city or union position, so they usually give the workers the benefit of the doubt. The union, in short, has all the leverage. It can make demands and either win big concessions in a "compromise" with the city, or win the whole ball of wax from an arbitrator. "Bottom line, because of Ohio state law, it is not ridiculous for unions to make ridiculous demands," wrote Cincinnati Human Resources Director Hilary Bohannon in a memo to City Manager Milton Dohoney. Fault craven Ohio politicians for making this political payoff to unions back in the 1980s. The supposed champions of the working person carved out sweet deals that a quarter-century later are socking it to Ohio's middle class through the spiraling cost of government. It's no wonder that Ohio continues to be an economic basket case. The police contract provisions will continue to have serious ripple effects on the city's budget. Last month, City Council finagled its way around the $51 million hole and passed a "balanced" budget partly predicated on a $3 million reduction in city overtime, much of which would come from police. But that projected reduction may be wishful thinking, given rules that virtually guarantee officers will get opportunities for overtime or other extra compensation. City officials should not simply accept this as a "part of the culture" or a cost of doing business - a cost that's passed on to those who live, work and operate businesses in the city. They must get tougher in future contract negotiations - challenging that 120-hour yearly comp-time gift, for example. At the very least, they should argue for a ceiling in the number of hours that can be carried over from year to year. At the state level, we need collective-bargaining reforms that will at least begin to level the playing field between cities and unions - allowing for more balanced, incremental decisions by arbitrators, for example. But that's
not likely to happen with union allies controlling the governor's office and state House. The men and women who protect us by serving as police officers deserve our respect and support, and they deserve to be fairly compensated. But taken as a whole, Cincinnati's police contract pay perks are beyond the pale. |
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wasteful
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Hermes
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I've worked for union companies & not many will let you build up that kind of time for that exact reason of building up so much money.
Unions are a double edged sword,but as I've always said "public servants should not nor ever be unionized".
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No more democrats no more republicans,vote Constitution Party !!
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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I have preached about this one since the good mj forum days.
And at the city tax levy forums.
No blame anywhere outside the unions and govt.
If it is there, you have to take it.
The pyramid has now inverted, crumbling from the compounding weight above.
Who came up with all of these perks, and why aren't ALL of us working this system?
How do we opt in to this taxpayer-funded program?
As James Brown might say:
Just talkin' loud
Ain't sayin' nothin
People say that I am apathetic
But I don't care.....
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VietVet
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Girls aren't the only ones that go wild. Unions Gone Wild! Perhaps we need to thank the city leaders, no matter what city you live in, for allowing the police, fire and teachers unions to have total control of all union/city negotiations. Apparently, no one can say no to the unions on the city/ schools negotiations teams and we are seeing the results of "not saying no" in stories like these. I have never worked for a union shop. All of my employers in 42 years, have never offered accrued vacation or sick time hours until now. All had no sick time hours nor vacation hour rollovers. My current employer, UD, is the first to offer sick time hour accumulation but you are only allowed to accumulate up to a certain amount. You can roll a certain amount of vacation hours over into the next year, but you lose any vacation hours not taken if you have gone over the limit that is allowed in the rollover. How do we get the negotiations back on track to a reasonable situation without inflamming the union people who have had their way for so long? Any change in the way the city negotiates, will get static from the union folks. Is there such a thing as getting cops, fire personel and teachers to bargain for reasonable bennies without breaking the backs of the taxpayers? Probably not. Two choices here I guess.....either keep giving them what they, when they want it, or start saying no and risk a union uprising and work stoppage and deal with a lawsuit brought on by the union when you bring in cheaper non-union public servants and violate the current contract.
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spiderjohn
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So--we passed a levy dedicating 100% of the resulting funds to public safety for 5 years(estimated $15 mill total, which might be over-stated). Has the city borrowed into this funding and spent the $$ elsewhere?
Seems that this was hinted around at a past Council meeting.
Does anyone know, or is anyone from Admin/Council willing to honestly answer?
I am willing to go downtown to ask this ? 2 nite if necessary, and I would expect an honest detailed answer from someone. If "they" refuse to answer, then we actually KNOW the answer.
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Pacman
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By my calculations, if they are correct, they should have taken in about $2.3 Million last year from the Public Safety Levy.
"City Manager Judy Gilleland said a new public safety levy could come before voters as early as November 2011. The current public safety levy will only provide funding through the end of 2012, she said.
“We need to start talking about it later this year, as far as strategy,” Gilleland said. “We would be asking for at least what we’re bringing in now.” As the 2010 budget was completed prior to police bargaining units agreeing to a new contract with the city, Carolus said those increases will come out of the public safety levy fund. On a related note, the issue of police pensions increasing from 19.5 percent to 24 percent over a five-year period was also discussed. The increase is estimated to cost the city approximately $55,000 for every percentage point, according to Carolus." |
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Nick_Kidd
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The public safety levy was never meant to go to the police and firemen. The city said that it would not add any police or firemen, it would keep them from being laid off. The city hires all these other people but in order to keep them they claim that police and firemen are the only place they can make cuts. That is how our "leaders" hold our safety hostage so they can do whatever they want and force us to pay up.
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Government is not the answer to problems, government is the problem.
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Mike_Presta
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Geez!!! I've told you and told you and told you and told you all about this, including BEFORE the vote on the "public safety payroll tax" increase!!! I'm not going through it again...go back and look it up!!! I've posted at least a dozen times!!!
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Hermes
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The unions & the city officials need to be told in no uncertain terms NO MORE LEVIES until the unions give in to the people who pay them !! The negotiations that take place between the city and all of these unions are suspect to begin with. The time has come to quit giving in to these thuggery unions ! I know as well as probably several of you how unions operate and the steps they will take if they don't get what they "demand". I don't care anymore !! If cops,firemen & teachers want to strike then strike !! A city is not a company, a city does not turn out a product or service to make money from, the money that is being "extorted" comes from the people and the people need to know and have a right to know what is taking place in these alleged negotiations. And the big pay days need to come to an end for these unions !!
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No more democrats no more republicans,vote Constitution Party !!
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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correct sawan---and how badly did Florida beat Cincinnati?
What was the final score?
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angelababy
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I've worked for union companies & not many will let you build up
that kind of time for that exact reason of building up so much money.
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