Sweet Deals in Cincy...........
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Topic: Sweet Deals in Cincy...........
Posted By: wasteful
Subject: Sweet Deals in Cincy...........
Date Posted: Feb 15 2010 at 3:52pm
Taxpayers help 359 Police Dept. employees ease into retirement
By Barry M. Horstman • bhorstman@enquirer.com • January 22, 2010
By storing up hundreds of hours of overtime and unused holiday, vacation and sick days, 359 members of the Cincinnati Police Department may receive more than six months' extra pay when they retire at a cost to taxpayers of more than $23 million.
Of that group, 107 can look forward to at least one year's extra salary when they retire, thanks to generous contract provisions that, among other benefits, entitle officers with more than 19 years' service to nearly 10½ weeks of various kinds of time off each year, records show.
Eighteen individuals are eligible for two or more years of salary, led by Lt. David Fink, who over his 23½-year career has stockpiled more than 10,400 hours. That equals five years of work weeks worth at least $428,899.
• See the Top 10 who will get more than $200,000
Fink is one of 10 police veterans positioned to retire with unused compensatory and leave time valued at more than $200,000 - money that can be taken in either a lump sum or by continuing to draw a regular check from the city after leaving the department. Thirty-six more could get $100,000-plus checks when they retire.
Overall, taxpayers owed $23.6 million to the 359 police officials with the department's highest compensatory and leave time totals as of last October, an Enquirer analysis found. That money is separate from the officers' pensions.
The amount eventually paid is likely to be substantially higher because officers will cash out their time at their final salary levels, which are all but certain to rise in future years.
Hundreds of officers with less than six months' leave on the books also will collect millions of dollars more for the time they are owed.
"All that comp time is contractual, but it still adds up to a big bill for the city," said Councilwoman Leslie Ghiz. "Even if it's not a problem today, it will be tomorrow."
•Steve Erie, a political science professor and urban studies director at the University of California at San Diego, offers a more blunt assessment of the police contract's overtime and comp time rules. "If you did these things in business, you wouldn't be in business long," he said.
The escalating totals stem primarily from a contract laced with liberal amounts of holidays, vacation and sick days as well as frequent opportunities for officers to earn overtime.
Because there is no ceiling on the "comp time" most officers carry over every year, 1,000 hour- plus balances are common among the department's roughly 1,400 employees.
Under the Fraternal Order of Police's contract with the city, officers earn:
• 120 hours of comp time every Jan. 1 - time and a half based on 10 eight-hour holiday shifts. Officers who work holidays also earn their regular salary for that day, giving them pay and time off totaling 2½ times the normal rate. Some officers choose not to take off any of those yearly 120 hours, instead keeping them to cash in later.
• Thirteen days of sick time per year. That, too, may be converted to cash, with officers getting one hour of pay for every two of sick leave up to a 600-hour ceiling, or 15 weeks. If officers leave the force before retirement, they forfeit accrued sick leave.
• Annual vacation ranging from 89 hours for rookie cops to 193 hours - 24 days - for officers with 19 or more years on the force. Anyone hired before July 1997 may save up to 587 unused vacation hours, worth more than 14½ weeks' pay, while those whose career began after that date are limited to 394 hours.
• Overtime for which they may choose or are required to take comp time in lieu of immediate pay, but which may be cashed in later.
Big spenders
The department is, by far, the city's biggest overtime spender. Last year, it spent $7 million on overtime through November, nearly as much as all other city departments combined.
Rather than being used sparingly for emergencies or staff shortages, much of 2009's police overtime and comp time was earned for court appearances, to complete paperwork or to staff sports events, concerts and other community activities.
For many officers, holiday and sick leave provisions - specifically, the ability to cash in most unused time in those categories now or later - are tantamount to an extra four to five weeks of salary annually.
"It's a classic backdoor strategy that hides the true cost of public safety staffing," Erie said.
The lucrative police contract provisions, however, are not the result of unbridled generosity on the part of City Hall, although coziness with council members strengthened the union's negotiating hand over the years.
Instead, the current situation has its origins in Ohio's very union-friendly collective bargaining law. Passed in 1984, the law took away police officers' and firefighters' right to strike, replacing it with a binding arbitration process in which a neutral arbitrator resolves labor contract issues that cannot be negotiated.
In doing so, the arbitrator, rather than seeking a compromise, must pick either the union or city position. That rigid guideline, combined with the fact that arbitrators generally side with unions, has, city leaders argue, given unions an incentive to "pile on" economic and non-economic demands when negotiations start - forcing the city to make concessions to persuade the union to withdraw an onerous request before it reaches arbitration.
Unions' demands
"Bottom line, because of Ohio state law, it is not ridiculous for unions to make ridiculous demands," Cincinnati Human Resources Director Hilary Bohannon told City Manager Milton Dohoney Jr. in a memo this month.
Over the last quarter century, that process helped fill the FOP contract with provisions that create costly obligations for taxpayers long into the future.
That is especially true for veterans, who draw the biggest annual allotments of comp time and time off. For officers with more than 19 years of service, the FOP contract puts them in the enviable position of earning up to 417 hours - nearly 10½ weeks - per year for vacation, holiday and sick time, before even an hour of overtime is factored into the equation.
By taking off only half that time annually - five- plus weeks, still more than most private sector jobs and even many public ones - officers gradually build sizable nest eggs via unused leave.
A typical case is that of Sgt. Brian Meyer, who as of October had amassed 4,003 hours, currently worth $141,730, over the past two decades. That equals two years' pay, meaning that Meyer, hired in May 1990, is stacking up unused comp time and leave at the rate of about one year for every decade he works.
Similarly, Capt. Paul Broxterman, hired in October 1988, had 4,875 hours in his account worth $232,248, and Chief Thomas Streicher Jr.'s 3,744 hours from his 38½ years equal a $235,074 payday or nearly two years of continuing pay checks after he steps down, city records show.
Given their responsibilities and staffing necessities, many senior officers see their annual time off allotments pile up faster than they realistically can use them.
"You get that package"
District 5 Capt. David Bailey said that for most of his 22½-year career, he has taken off only several weeks annually. "You get that package every year, but even if I wanted to, there's no way I could be off that much," he said.
A supervisor since 1991, he said he also has been required to take comp time rather than overtime pay for court appearances, adding to his accrued leave total.
The result is that Bailey, 45, finds himself with nearly 6,400 comp and leave hours on the books, a 3-year-plus total worth $304,806. That time probably will allow him to retire several years sooner than normal, he said.
"The money really didn't matter that much to me when I started out so I just planned to take the time," Bailey said. "I never thought about it much. I can't say it was a strategy or anything like that. It's just the way I did it, but now I feel fortunate that it might allow me to shorten my career a bit at the end."
Throughout his career, Bailey said he has been cautious about the overtime he works and that he approves for officers in his district. Overtime and comp time, though, are inevitable in police work, he said, pointing as an example to an eight-month investigation that last year led to the arrest of dozens of members of a Northside gang called the Taliband.
"I can understand people looking at this and thinking it's pretty sweet," Bailey said of the contract. "And it is a very good deal. But the community gets returns in other ways. Maybe you can't measure it in dollars and cents. But it definitely pays off."
On the table
Even relatively new officers quickly compile time.
After only 3½ years on the force, Timothy Lanter accumulated 1,134 hours - 28 weeks - today worth $33,331, far below the eventual value if he retires from the force.
Four-year officers Jimmy Pham and James Broomes also had put aside more than six month's of time worth $36,347 and $30,974, respectively, cases that are more the rule than the exception.
Officers who do not want to wait until retirement to reap the financial rewards may, under the contract, each year sell back up to 80 hours of holiday comp time and, if their balance exceeds a specified level, another 80 hours of sick time.
Many take advantage of that option, earning what is essentially a four-figure bonus.
Last year, the city paid $1.44 million to officers cashing out leave or taking off comp time. Over the preceding four years, the city's annual cost for that purpose averaged about $1 million.
With Streicher and other top supervisors approaching retirement within the next several years, those annual payments could soar.
Tax considerations, though, will prompt many veterans to forgo an immediate lump sum in favor of continuing to draw a check after retiring for as long as it takes to exhaust their leave balances, a practice referred to as "running out the time."
One of the most effective means of reining in the hefty payments, public budget experts say, would be to limit the amount of unused time that ultimately could be cashed in, both on an annual basis and upon retirement.
"Not having a ceiling is fiscal insanity," said Jerry Newman, a professor in the University of Buffalo's School of Management. "It invites, if not abuse, at least excessive overuse" of contractual provisions governing time off, he added.
City leaders recognize that such a limit could substantially reduce the city's short- and long- term costs, but also do not underestimate the difficulty of persuading the FOP to give up an attractive benefit it already has when new contract talks start next year.
"Seeing the merit of an idea like that and how it could save the city a lot of money is one thing," said Councilwoman Roxanne Qualls. "Getting the other side to agree to it is another. But it's definitely an idea that belongs on the table. Everything belongs on the table."
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Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Feb 15 2010 at 3:57pm
City's police contract a raw deal
EDITORIAL
January 24, 2010
Perhaps it is unreasonable for us to expect that government be "run like a business." But surely taxpayers have the right to demand that government not be run like a failing business.
Certainly, the Cincinnati Police Department compensation policies exposed by The Enquirer's Barry M. Horstman - policies that leave taxpayers on the hook for at least $23.6 million in "extra" pay - point to a business model that cannot be sustained, in the public or private sector.
The department's outrageously generous contract provisions on compensatory ("comp") time and leave time are job perks you'd never see in the real world of work, but have come to be regarded as entitlements at CPD.
As Horstman reports, 359 members of the CPD are eligible for at least six months' extra pay when they retire, and 107 have at least a year's pay coming to them.
Ten longtime police officers have racked up at least $200,000 in comp time and leave time, which they may take either in a lump sum or as continued regular paychecks after they retire. One has "earned" an extra five years' pay, or $400,000.
• See the Top 10 who'll get more than $200,000
That $23.6 million estimate, moreover, is bound to rise as officers "cash out" at higher final salaries.
Much of that cost comes from this especially mind-boggling goodie: Each officer automatically gets a pot of 120 hours of comp time each year - time-and-a-half for 10 eight-hour shifts - as "compensation" simply for the possibility that he or she may have to work on a holiday. Of course, an officer who actually does work on a holiday gets regular pay on top of that.
Officers don't have to take any of those 120 hours off, and there is no limit on the amount of comp time that can be carried over from year to year, so officers pile up thousands of hours to cash out when they retire. And that's on top of their pensions.
Try getting that kind of deal at your workplace.
"If you did these things in business," political scientist Steve Erie of San Diego told Horstman, "you wouldn't be in business long."
Well, not unless you had the power to keep tapping the deep pockets of taxpayers, that is.
Nobody seems able to explain why such a provision is in the police contract, much less rationalize it, except that the Fraternal Order of Police was able to get it from the city in negotiations, so they took it.
And who can blame the officers, really, for accepting what their contract grants them?
These stunning revelations come on the heels of which showed that CPD had spent $7 million on overtime in 2009 through November - nearly as much as the rest of city departments combined - even as the city, wrestling with a $51 million deficit, was considering laying off employees.
Taken together, these provisions won in contract negotiations over the years mean that officers with more than 19 years on the force can get nearly 10½ weeks of time off a year - more vacation time than most could ever want or hope to use - plus overtime benefits.
That's just not right.
Long term, city taxpayers face a burden that will grow to even more unmanageable proportions unless major changes are made.
Still, it's not fair to place all the blame on Cincinnati officials. You also have to look northward to Columbus, seat of Ohio's state government. In 1984, as Horstman points out, Ohio passed a collective-bargaining law that gave police and firefighters binding arbitration in contract disputes, in exchange for taking away the right to strike.
The way the law is drawn, arbitrators must choose either the city or union position, so they usually give the workers the benefit of the doubt.
The union, in short, has all the leverage. It can make demands and either win big concessions in a "compromise" with the city, or win the whole ball of wax from an arbitrator.
"Bottom line, because of Ohio state law, it is not ridiculous for unions to make ridiculous demands," wrote Cincinnati Human Resources Director Hilary Bohannon in a memo to City Manager Milton Dohoney.
Fault craven Ohio politicians for making this political payoff to unions back in the 1980s. The supposed champions of the working person carved out sweet deals that a quarter-century later are socking it to Ohio's middle class through the spiraling cost of government.
It's no wonder that Ohio continues to be an economic basket case.
The police contract provisions will continue to have serious ripple effects on the city's budget.
Last month, City Council finagled its way around the $51 million hole and passed a "balanced" budget partly predicated on a $3 million reduction in city overtime, much of which would come from police.
But that projected reduction may be wishful thinking, given rules that virtually guarantee officers will get opportunities for overtime or other extra compensation.
City officials should not simply accept this as a "part of the culture" or a cost of doing business - a cost that's passed on to those who live, work and operate businesses in the city. They must get tougher in future contract negotiations - challenging that 120-hour yearly comp-time gift, for example. At the very least, they should argue for a ceiling in the number of hours that can be carried over from year to year.
At the state level, we need collective-bargaining reforms that will at least begin to level the playing field between cities and unions - allowing for more balanced, incremental
decisions by arbitrators, for example. But that's not likely to happen with union allies controlling the governor's office and state House. The men and women who protect us by serving as police officers deserve our respect and support, and they deserve to be fairly compensated. But taken as a whole, Cincinnati's police contract pay perks are beyond the pale.
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Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Feb 15 2010 at 3:58pm
Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: Feb 15 2010 at 6:13pm
I've worked for union companies & not many will let you build up that kind of time for that exact reason of building up so much money.
Unions are a double edged sword,but as I've always said "public servants should not nor ever be unionized".
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Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Feb 15 2010 at 8:18pm
I have preached about this one since the good mj forum days.
And at the city tax levy forums.
No blame anywhere outside the unions and govt.
If it is there, you have to take it.
The pyramid has now inverted, crumbling from the compounding weight above.
Who came up with all of these perks, and why aren't ALL of us working this system?
How do we opt in to this taxpayer-funded program?
As James Brown might say:
Just talkin' loud
Ain't sayin' nothin
People say that I am apathetic
But I don't care.....
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Feb 16 2010 at 6:49am
Girls aren't the only ones that go wild. Unions Gone Wild! Perhaps we need to thank the city leaders, no matter what city you live in, for allowing the police, fire and teachers unions to have total control of all union/city negotiations. Apparently, no one can say no to the unions on the city/ schools negotiations teams and we are seeing the results of "not saying no" in stories like these. I have never worked for a union shop. All of my employers in 42 years, have never offered accrued vacation or sick time hours until now. All had no sick time hours nor vacation hour rollovers. My current employer, UD, is the first to offer sick time hour accumulation but you are only allowed to accumulate up to a certain amount. You can roll a certain amount of vacation hours over into the next year, but you lose any vacation hours not taken if you have gone over the limit that is allowed in the rollover. How do we get the negotiations back on track to a reasonable situation without inflamming the union people who have had their way for so long? Any change in the way the city negotiates, will get static from the union folks. Is there such a thing as getting cops, fire personel and teachers to bargain for reasonable bennies without breaking the backs of the taxpayers? Probably not. Two choices here I guess.....either keep giving them what they, when they want it, or start saying no and risk a union uprising and work stoppage and deal with a lawsuit brought on by the union when you bring in cheaper non-union public servants and violate the current contract.
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Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Feb 16 2010 at 9:11am
So--we passed a levy dedicating 100% of the resulting funds to public safety for 5 years(estimated $15 mill total, which might be over-stated).
Has the city borrowed into this funding and spent the $$ elsewhere?
Seems that this was hinted around at a past Council meeting.
Does anyone know, or is anyone from Admin/Council willing to honestly answer?
I am willing to go downtown to ask this ? 2 nite if necessary, and I would expect an honest detailed answer from someone. If "they" refuse to answer, then we actually KNOW the answer.
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Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Feb 16 2010 at 9:32am
By my calculations, if they are correct, they should have taken in about $2.3 Million last year from the Public Safety Levy.
"City Manager Judy Gilleland said a new public safety levy could come before voters as early as November 2011. The current public safety levy will only provide funding through the end of 2012, she said.
“We need to start talking about it later this year, as far as strategy,” Gilleland said. “We would be asking for at least what we’re bringing in now.”
As the 2010 budget was completed prior to police bargaining units agreeing to a new contract with the city, Carolus said those increases will come out of the public safety levy fund.
On a related note, the issue of police pensions increasing from 19.5 percent to 24 percent over a five-year period was also discussed. The increase is estimated to cost the city approximately $55,000 for every percentage point, according to Carolus."
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Posted By: Nick_Kidd
Date Posted: Feb 16 2010 at 11:05am
The public safety levy was never meant to go to the police and firemen. The city said that it would not add any police or firemen, it would keep them from being laid off. The city hires all these other people but in order to keep them they claim that police and firemen are the only place they can make cuts. That is how our "leaders" hold our safety hostage so they can do whatever they want and force us to pay up.
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Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Feb 16 2010 at 11:30am
Geez!!! I've told you and told you and told you and told you all about this, including BEFORE the vote on the "public safety payroll tax" increase!!! I'm not going through it again...go back and look it up!!! I've posted at least a dozen times!!!
------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: Feb 16 2010 at 11:47am
The unions & the city officials need to be told in no uncertain terms NO MORE LEVIES until the unions give in to the people who pay them !! The negotiations that take place between the city and all of these unions are suspect to begin with. The time has come to quit giving in to these thuggery unions ! I know as well as probably several of you how unions operate and the steps they will take if they don't get what they "demand". I don't care anymore !! If cops,firemen & teachers want to strike then strike !! A city is not a company, a city does not turn out a product or service to make money from, the money that is being "extorted" comes from the people and the people need to know and have a right to know what is taking place in these alleged negotiations. And the big pay days need to come to an end for these unions !!
------------- No more democrats no more republicans,vote Constitution Party !!
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Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 6:28am
correct sawan---and how badly did Florida beat Cincinnati?
What was the final score?
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Posted By: angelababy
Date Posted: Oct 27 2010 at 2:10am
I've worked for union companies & not many will let you build up
that kind of time for that exact reason of building up so much money.
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