Question for Dillman

Could not agree with you more. 

Well obviously... but my point is, why? Why wouldn't you want an armed citizen in your store? What harm is it doing? If they are there to cause trouble, then that sign isn't going to stop them.

I don't believe the insurance clause is why, I have been involved in purchasing business insurance many times and never once has the subject of customers having firearms ever come up. Now, employees having firearms is another thing, and that usually does come up.

It's interesting actually, if you work for a place that doesn't allow you to carry a firearm, and you are wounded on the job by an assailant, your employer is responsible for not allowing you to protect yourself.

Yea and Justwatching, if you decide to become the Wyatt Earp and pull your gun on a robber and shoot an Old Lady by mistake, the Business Owner, me, gets sued.  New question for Employment App. Do you carry a gun and think you are Wyatt Earp or Annie Oakley.

Here is a good one for you...have you ever seen a sign stipulate WHO can or can not walk in carrying a weapon ? By that I mean police. I've never seen a sign that says "no weapons by citizens only police allowed". Maybe there are some somewhere.

Actually signs do exclude law offers, etc. by referencing the "Ohio Revised Code" and saying something like "Unless other authorized by law". Here is an example sign:

http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/files/Publications/Publications-for-Law-Enforcement/Concealed-Carry-Publications/Model-Concealed-Carry-Sign.aspx

justwatching wrote: Actually signs do exclude law offers, etc. by referencing the "Ohio Revised Code" and saying something like "Unless other authorized by law". Here is an example sign: http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/files/Publications/Publications-for-Law-Enforcement/Concealed-Carry-Publications/Model-Concealed-Carry-Sign.aspx

 

Justwatching, This the 21st century. Why would you need to carry a gun to a grocery store or any other establishment? I understand having one at home for protection. Geez, let me know where and when you go shopping and I will stay home

Smartman, you're not a smart man. It's not that I, or anyone else who carries, feels we need a gun at the local grocery store. It's the fact that you never know when you'll need it. Do you think the thousands of people who die in senseless killings every year went out thinking, "I bet someone is going to come into McDonalds while I'm there and shoot me." No, they didn't. You never think you'll need a gun, and you pray you never have to use it, but the fact of the matter is shootings are a daily occurrence in the country and they don't usually happen at homes or when people are prepared for them. They happen in the local grocery store parking lot, or at the dinner, or church, or one of any number of places we visit on a daily basis. This is where shootings. I shop at nearly every grocery store in town, usually stopping 2-3 times throughout the week to pick up various items, and you'll be damned glad I'm next to you when the store manager's ex-boyfriend comes in to blow her head off and you sh*t you pants while I protect you, myself, and anyone else lucky enough to be behind me.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,506820,00.html
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/jul/27/knoxville-church-shooting-leaves-several-injured/
http://www.arlingtonva.us/Departments/Police/news/printarticle.asp?ID=682
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/mall.shooting.tinley.2.644307.html

"Based on your comments you are the hot head that would try to provoke someone into a fight"?? How on earth do you get that? I have actually never even been in a scuffle of any sorts shy of when I was 14 and got into a fight with a thief at school. In fact, I rarely even argue with anyone because it usually comes down them being so narrow and closed minded, like you, that arguing is futile and redundant. I just pray, for your sake and your family's sake, that you are never the victim of violent crime outside of your home, because apparently this is the only place you think bad things happen.

It's not about stopping the robbers, it's about protecting yourself and more importantly, in my opinion, your family. And it's not about a shooting happening every day, even though they do, it's about being prepared for that one time that it happens and you are there.

I agree, killing someone would be a hard thing to do, but in protecting my family or myself, I wouldn't bat an eye.

Here are three shooting this week that I found in about 30 seconds, not including the 1000 I found of people shot at their home or on the street. These were shootings at businesses.
Today: http://www.kyw1060.com/Camden-Co--Police-Investigate-Shooting-of-Bakery-O/5448132
Yesterday: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D9BB04JO2.html
This weekend: http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_13544367

It is strictly a Liability thing.