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Pacman
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Posted: Sep 26 2008 at 8:57pm |
Per the MJ the options for Section 8 were as follows:
"• Continuing to contract with a third-party vendor to address the day to day administration and management of the Section 8 program. Currently, CONSOC Housing Consultants of Columbus has operated Middletown's $9.74 million program for more than 13 years and has been rated by the U.S. Housing and Urban Development Department as a high-performing agency. • Bring the program in-house using city staff and employees to administer the program. • Transfer the program to the Butler Metropolitan Housing Authority." Both Marconi and Schiavone who are business owners in this community have taken this stance:
"Mark this down on the first page. Council is not going to turn this over to Butler Metro," said Councilman Tony Marconi. "We're only looking at options 1 and 2," said Councilman David Schiavone, who chairs the subcommittee." This will be one of the major nails in the coffin of Middletown. This will continue the deragatory title of "Section 8 Capital of Butler County". This will drive businesses out of Middletown and prevent new business coming into Middletown. If we were talking of a reasonable number of Section 8 vounchers in the 200-400 range this would be fine. But for two Community leaders who are business men to take this stance is unforgiveable when we have more section 8 housing than the whole of Butler County. This is a sad, sad day for Middletown as its leaders continue to make disasterous decisions, which only hasten Middletowns decline.
The Council might as well fire the City Manager as they undermine her at every turn.
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spiderjohn
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Your last paragraph say it all, pacman.
Unfortunately.
Schiavone and Marconi CAN be replaced next time out.
We must do so.
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Pacman
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Only 2 Cities in Ohio, Parma and Middletown, Manage their own Section 8 Programs. My contention is that Middletown's City Leaders are out of touch with the Majority of the Cities Population and its Business owners in its action on the Cities Section 8 dilemma. A serious overabundance of Section 8 housing in a City such as Middletown has a trickle down effect. It effects City Services. It effects the Cities Education System. It effects the Cities Economic future and its current Economic standing. It is particularly disastrous to a City in Middletown's Financial situation that is trying to keep its head above water.
The actions of Schiavone and Marconi will have far reaching consequences for years to come and are detrimental to the City as a whole. Unfortunately neither has explained their actions when it comes to their overwhelming approval of the current Section 8 situation in Middletown. The Middletown Journal did not even bother to ask why they are so adamant in saddling the City with such a burden.
If we were talking of a reasonable number of vouchers for a City the size of Middletown in the 200-400 range we would not even be having this discussion and I as a business owner in Middletown would not be as concerned with this issue. But when the numbers are so far out of balance and your City Leaders continue on in a manner which is detrimental to the City as a whole something needs to be done.
Marconi and Schiavone are no longer looking out for the welfare of the City. For whatever reason they are putting a minority of residents above the well being of the City of Middletown as a whole and it is unfortunate that they as City Leaders and Business owners in this City continue to do this.
You have to ask yourself why does Butler Metro Housing, which services all of Butler County have approximately 960 vouchers, according to Mr. Kohler, and Middletown has 1663 vouchers? Using Mr. Kohler's figure of 960 vouchers in Butler County, that means Butler County has 1 voucher for every 372 residents. Why is Middletown's average over 12 times that number with 1 voucher for every 31 residents? To put this is perspective New York City has 1 voucher for approximately every 80 Residents. WHY MUST MIDDLETOWN CONSTANTLY DO WHAT IS NOT IN THE CITIES BEST INTEREST AS A WHOLE?
Folks there is something seriously wrong with this situation in Middletown. The City leaders have let the Cities Section 8 Voucher program run unchecked for years and they can't even tell you how they got to this many vouchers. The question is why do your City Leaders want to saddle Middletown with this program and stigma, when Butler and Warren County are willing to take all of these vouchers and administer the program, or at the very least give them 3/4's of the vouchers and reduce the Cities numbers to a figure more in line with it's population numbers in Butler County.
Parma OH Middletown
Area Covered 20 Sq Miles 26 Sq Miles
Population 80000 52000
Section 8 Vouchers 742 1663
Vouchers per residents 1 Voucher for every 108 Res. 1 Voucher for every 31 Res.
Median Income $43900 $36200
State Ed Report Passed 25 of 30 Passed 5 of 30
AYP Met Yes NO
Performance Index 95.8 80
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VietVet
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This topic sounds like a question to Marconi and Schiavone ( and the council as a whole) in the citizens comments during the next city council meeting. They won't answer the question as it is too "confrontational" but it will be satisfying just seeing them squirm and fidget around behind that desk. Always entertaining aren't they? This extra burden of Section 8 housing clients by this city must be done as a favor of some type to someone in Butler County or as a monetary incentive to some here in Middletown. It further damages this town's reputation as a low income/welfare community. Still don't understandthe reasoning/any positives from this program and see only headaches for the program's acceptance. Another reason to clean house next election.
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arwendt
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Something is most certainly wrong with this picture. |
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spiderjohn
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Too much Section 8, contributing to low academic test scores, increased police activity and lower property values.
When combined with school performance, poor environmental stats(+ a new choke plant), dissolving retail options and lack of meaningful job opportunity, it doesn't paint the type of picture that will encourage new, mid/upper scale families to move into our area, do ya think?
Let it be controlled here, though let it be seriously scaled back proportionately.
City Council/admin must determine just who is calling these shots and why. Then that sector must be re-prioritized to scale back.
Does increased Section 8 vouchers lead to extra HUD and CDBG $$$ coming into town?
Has a disproportionate % of those funds gone to the S Main St. Hysterical District(where an increasing # of city employees are buying homes)?
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VietVet
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Guess city council will revisit the Section 8 talk on Tuesday. Apparently, they still haven't decided what to do with this program. Marconi is the only one that I'm aware of that wants to keep it under the control of the city, right or wrong? They just can't seem to make a decision on anything, can they?
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VietVet
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Section 8 will stay under the city's control because council wants to make sure Middletown residents are preferred for vouchers, making it more enticing for welfare type people to locate to town and become Middletown citizens, dragging the standard of living down, crime up and the city image down even further and attracting SOME who will never contribute to society in a positive manner. Amazingly, Armbruster says that we "have to have Section 8". Why, Mr. Armbruster, why????Give us a reason for that statement instead of just spouting a vague comment like that. Does the city make enough money to overcome the headaches this program presents? There must be a reason some of you want this in town. Are some of the "club" members making money on this at the expense of the image/quality of citizen/crime that this town attracts? WE DON"T WANT TO BE A WELFARE TOWN! What part of that don't you understand? Furthermore,concerning the third party contractor- if this city is so cash strapped, it doesn't make any sense at all to maintain this and search for bids to run it. It would be one item in the budget that council could eliminate. Why is the city taking on unneeded(and unwanted by the people) expenses like this while claiming to be cash poor? For cryin' out loud, make the correct decision for once in your lives! Get rid of Section 8 programming.
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John Beagle
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Section 8 housing is our catch 22.
Damned if we do, even more damned if we don't.
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Pacman
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John Section 8 doesn't have to be a Catch 22 for anyone. It has to be managed which this Council and previous Councils and City employees have not been doing. Middletown should have about 400 vouchers to be more inline with the percentage of Population it has over all in Butler County.
In todays Journal we have this:
"We have to have Section 8," said Vice Mayor Jim Armbruster. "There's a lot of aspects of this program that needs to be reviewed." "Council members also were concerned about the way additional vouchers could get assigned by HUD to Middletown. Councilman David Schiavone, who is chairman of the council's housing subcommittee, said a citizens housing committee is looking at this issue from a different perspective and will make a recommendation Oct. 31 to the subcommittee." Now we have Council implying that HUD forced these vouchers on Middletown. When it was clearly stated previously that Middletown kept requesting vouchers from HUD. Why would HUD force additonal vouchers on a City which is already overburdened with Section 8 as it is. This comment appears to be nothing more than Council looking for a scape goat for the situation we find ourselves in....courtesy of our supposed leaders. I find it hard to believe that a Council made up of 3 businessmen and a Banker, and an Ex-Police Chief, can not see the damage that this much Section 8 has done and is doing to this City. It is not the fact that we have Section 8 it is the fact that we have so much. This is detrimental to the Cities image and future economic growth.
You need to look no farther John than Old Roosevelt Rd with its Section swath built a few years ago. It constantly has couches, beds and other furniture out front that sits there for weeks and the city does nothing, yup the city needs to maintain control......
Middletown has become known as the place to go for Section 8, I have been told this by numerous people in town and people who are on Section 8 themselves.
If Council thinks decisions such as this are going to improve Middletpwn they are sadly mistaken. I will vote for none of the current Councilpersons just for this one issue. Once again City Council has failed Middletown as a whole.....I guess we should not expect anything different from this bunch.
Middletown is .
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Pacman
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I say Gilleland for Mayor and get rid of the rest of the Council, at least she has Commonsense and forsight to see what is happening and is trying to take steps in the right direction. But once again Council steps in and thwarts the Managers recommendation. "City leaders have been evaluating the program for 10 months. City Manager Judy Gilleland recommended the program be transferred to BMHA, but City Council, concerned about losing local control to ensure Middletown residents are preferred over noncity residents for the vouchers, asked for additional options." |
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John Beagle
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I couldn't agree more. Anything we can offload to a county agency, we should. Middletown isn't rich anymore, yet we act like we are.
Gilleland for Dictator of Middletown. |
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Pacman
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Section 8 is alive and well in Middletown even though Middletown's City Manager once again recommended turning the program over to Butler Metropolitan Housing.
Also during the last Council Meeting the Council hired Consultant recommended as his number one choice turning the program over to BMH also. The question is why do we even have a City manager and why do we waste money on consultants when Council has already decided that it is going to maintain the status quo.
By turning the program over to BMH the number of vouchers would not be reduced. No one currently on Section 8 would lose their voucher. But by turning the program over to BMH any new Middletown Citizen would have to get on the waiting list with BMH, this would hopefully reduce the amount of Section 8 Housing in Middletown. it would also reduce the number of people who move to Middletown to just be able to get Section 8 housing, as currently you must reside in Middletown to get a Middletown Section 8 voucher.
Now the main concerns of Middletown have been:
1) The Police and Courts want more control over Criminal background checks.
2) Section 8 residents having to travel to Hamilton to see BMH.
3) Preference is given to Middletown residents for a Voucher in Middletown's program.
4) Middletown wants control over housing inspections.
Now that being said:
1) Middletown Police and Courts have stated that the system that BMH uses to screen applicants for vouchers using Sheriff Jones and Butler County Courts is excellent.
2) BMH is willing to open an Office in Middletown to Service Middletown's Section 8 population.
3) Middletown residents would have to get on the waiting list at BMH with the rest of Butler county, that is just the way it is and should be.
4) Middletown could still maintain control of Housing Inspections.
So we have 3 of Councils Concerns resolved with very little effort, yet they insist on maintaining this program.
Marconi is furious at Bloggers because they don't know what they are talking about. Seems pretty straight forward from my position. I have no problem with Section 8. I have a problem with an overabundance of Section 8 as compared to our population in Butler County. I have a problem with a City Council that refuses to see that having this amount of Section 8 is damaging to the City overall. Moving the Section 8 to BMH will not hurt one person that is currently on the program, as once you have a voucher you have it for life or you no longer qualify. Marconi also made the point that bloggers are blaming a significant portion of Middletowns woes on Section 8. Nothing could be farther from the truth, but it is a contributing factor in a City which can not afford to even provide the basics of Road Repair and is struggling to provide even the basic services to maintainn a city financially, etc.
The average income of a Section 8 recipient is $7800.00 in Ohio. We do not need to continue and attract an overabundance of low income residents.
Quotes of the day for this meeting go to the clueless Ms Ford, who states, Landlords in Middletown's Section 8 program are a significant economical underpinning of Middletown. Please.
And another jewel from her was , "be honest about who we are" I took this quote as very demeaning to the residents of Middletown and that we all should admit that we are just poor slobs who don't deserve a city that is vibrant and growing economically.
Becker and Armbruster seem to be open to reducing the number of Vouchers. Mulligan was once again less than a leader and pretty much stood for nothing. Schiavone and Ford would add more vouchers if they could was my impression and Marconi is hot about the issue and especially the bloggers and just wants to maintain the status quo. He wants to blame the previous Councils and City employees for the current number of vouchers yet he doesn't want to do anything to solve the situation. Scott-Jones wants to maintain the status quo. Ms Scott-Jones stated that compared to Middletown's population 1662 Vouchers is Minuscule. For being so damn minuscule they sure make one hell of big problem which will take years to fix. Minuscule I don't think about 10% of the population is so minuscule. It is unfortunate that Council can't put this much time and effort into the Major problems econcomic developement, etc.
It would appear to some that the number of Vouchers was increased so dramatically over the years because the City is Paid $56.00 per month per voucher in use to administer the program. Now if you add that up that comes to about $1.1 million dollars a year to administer the program. The city keeps a portion of that and the managing company gets part of those funds.
Overall the City needs to let go of this program and concentrate on growing the City economically. Nothing is lost by giving this program to BMH other than the new residents would then have to be put on a waiting list with the rest of the county's residents to get a voucher. If this is good enough for 99.99999999999% of the cities in Ohio why does Middletown have to be so different. Lets do what is best for the City as a whole.
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Pacman
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Low-income rents, uneven demandsSection 8 brings opportunities, challenges to suburbshttp://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20080912/NEWS01/809140301/ |
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BMH is willing to open an Office in Middletown to Service Middletown's Section 8 population.
I say bring Butler On right now. Let the county handle this.
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Pacman
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3-5 Year Strategic Plan This document includes Narrative Responses to specific questions that grantees of the Community Development Block Grant, HOME Investment Partnership, Housing Opportunities for People with AIDS and Emergency Shelter Grants Programs must respond to in order to be compliant with the Consolidated Planning Regulations. |
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.308
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No one is against throwing a drowning man a rope.
But we just must be careful that rope is not used to pull us under as well.
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Pacman
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From the above Report:
"BMHA has a high vacancy rate due to the increase in Low Income Housing Tax Credit(LIHTC) developments in Middletown that are in direct competition for the Housing Authority. BMHA’s units don’t offer the same amenities as the LIHTC which is a direct result of the vacancy rate. BMHA in partnership with the City of Middletown and Butler County will offer assistance with security deposits. $10,000 of HOME funds will be set aside as a revolving loan fund administered by the Butler Metropolitan Housing Authority to decrease the vacancy rate by offering assistance to Low Income families that need housing but do not have the funds to pay the security deposit in order to move-in." |
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Pacman
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More:
"There is a lack of discourse between the Butler Metropolitan Housing Authority (BMHA) and the Middletown Housing Agency (MHA). There needs to be better communication and collaboration between the two entities. For instance, BMHA has units available in the Middletown area, yet MHA has a waiting list for those needing housing in Middletown. If a better working relationship existed between the two agencies, there would be less of a waiting list and more families in decent housing. BMHA also needs to start working with various agencies countywide to better assist this population, of which it is starting to do. In the regional Analysis of Fair Housing Impediments which was completed in 2004, it was solidified that all public housing was located within the two cities of Middletown and Hamilton and determined unconscionable that BMHA has not built any new units in the County. There are pockets throughout the county in which new public housing ventures should be explored."
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Pacman
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No .308 there is no problem with a handup but when it is sinking the rest of the city that is a problem.
According to this report BMHA has 594 Public Assisted housing Units in Middletown on top of the 1662 Section 8 units Middletown has, see page 21.
This goes above and beyond what any City in Middletown's Condition should have to shoulder. The Current Council has basically sealed the fate of Middletown with its actions and disregard for the City as a whole.
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Acording to City-Data.com the median household/condo value in Middletown is already $10,000 below the state average.
Enough is enough.
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Pacman
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Hey Vet sounds like your meetings on the Road committee, Amburgey sure gets around since he is no longer being on council:
Let me help out the Committee:
Turn the program over to the profeassionals at BMHA, just as the City Manager has recommended, as the Cities Consultant has recommended. But since City Council has not heeded those recommendations, the Citizens Committee has zero chance of Council listening to anything they have to say. Read the report above.
Seems odd to put a Public Works Director in charge of Pubic Housing Assistance Program.
Is it 2009 yet, time to clean house on Council.
This is one issue which will end up tearing this city apart as I have talked to numerous Business Owners in Middletown and they all agree that the current situation with Section 8 is out of control and that Council is not acting in the Cities best interest as a whole.
Citizens housing committee complains about lack of infoCommittee delays recommendation on Section 8 program.Saturday, November 01, 2008 MIDDLETOWN — The citizens housing committee was expected to give a recommendation on the city's Section 8 program to the Middletown City Council's Housing Subcommittee at its meeting Friday, Oct. 31, but decided it needed some more time, said Councilman David Schiavone, subcommittee chairman. Also, Paul Renwick, chairman of the citizens committee, brought up the committee's concern about a lack of communication from the city administration. "We were told that we'll get to you when we get to you," Renwick said. "(The U.S. Housing and Urban Development Department) wants citizen participation and input." Councilman Tony Marconi said some committee members felt they were not getting information in a timely manner. However, he and Schiavone pointed out that city staff is still working through a learning curve due to the recent reorganization of the city's departments. "The bottom line is that we all want to make the city better," Marconi said. "I understand the frustration level on both sides ... but I thought it was a healthy discussion." Chris Amburgey, a committee member and former councilman, said "we need total transparency of HUD funding" and appropriate follow-up. Ginger Smith, community revitalization director — who said she is new to this field and is still learning — said the concerns are due to a miscommunication. |
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Pacman
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VietVet
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Sadly, you're right Pacman. This is an indictment of this Council's stubborness and "ignoring" attitude toward the residents of this city.They just won't pay any attention to what the people want. Causes major frustration to those of us who care about this town. You're right on count two- it is time to clean house in 2009 (for half of the Council rabble). Then catch the other half when their time is done.Hopefully, if we succeed in the removal,we'll never see these people control any aspect of this city's operation again. Count three- your comment on Ginger Smith becoming the "Revitalization Director" whatever that is???? Sounds like one of those "newly created positions" that the city never told us about. I thought Gilleland was suppose to be cutting positions in city government. I guess since Ginger can't run the Public Works Department with any competence, perhaps she was moved to this new position to excise a problem. We'll never know as the city boys and girls continue to play their games. Anybody with our way of thinking that we can run to fill the Council seats? With new people and a new direction, perhaps Ms Gilleland will have an opportunity to get it together and construct this city gov. the way it is suppose to be, unless, of course, she thinks like the current clowns, in which case, she needs to go also.
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