Downtown Apartments Coming
Printed From: MiddletownUSA.com
Category: Middletown City Government
Forum Name: Community Revitalization
Forum Description: Middletown Community Revitalization News
URL: http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=5553
Printed Date: Nov 25 2024 at 12:20pm
Topic: Downtown Apartments Coming
Posted By: VietVet
Subject: Downtown Apartments Coming
Date Posted: Nov 18 2013 at 10:56am
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Journal story... HOUSING COMING DOWNTOWN Eventually, two former Middletown buildings may provide needed downtown housing, city officials said. The former Fifth Third Bank Tower, also known as the Goetz Tower, was recently purchased by Grassroots Ohio LLC. The non-profit development group is investing an estimated $2.5 million to convert the second through seventh floors into market-rate loft apartments and renovate the first-floor into a retail location, said Mike Robinette, a principle with Grassroots. Robinette said he expects the apartments to be between 8oo to 1,200 square feet and rent for $800 to $1,200 per month. Hamet said housing is always one of the “essential pieces” to revitalizing an urban area. “It puts feet on the street,” she said. Robinette said the project probably won’t be complete until March 2015. Investment groups recently toured the Manchester Inn & Conference Center, which has been closed for three years, and have said the former hotel probably could be converted into a hotel/apartment complex. They believe the need for housing is strong enough to support the Manchester and the area needs a banquet center 800 to 1200 sq ft apartments for $800 to $1200 per month? In that location, with minimal amenities within a reasonable distance? The average rental customer in Middletown can't afford this can they? Robinette and company must be depending on attracting renters from outside that would enjoy "the artzy-cultural" thing. Don't know if the location fits in-town renters as to interest. Anyone think they will be successful in filling the bank building? ------------- I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over. |
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Posted By: swohio75
Date Posted: Nov 18 2013 at 11:15am
| I think they could be very successful for those empty nesters looking to downsize. |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Nov 18 2013 at 11:36am
You may be right sw. Just trying to find a reason to rent down there given the lack of current activity and offerings. Surely those empty nesters could find a better location generating more interest than that, right? There is a commuter college and a few over-priced restaurants there now coupled with some scattered artzy dealers. Is this enough to entice people and hold their interest for any length of time? Right now, it would be a tad bit boring down there wouldn't it? ------------- I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over. |
swohio75 wrote:Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: Nov 19 2013 at 9:01am
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That is a high price to pay for 800 sq ft. I can't imagine anyone moving down there at that price. Most apartments in Midd area rent for less than that and offer pools, parking, fitness rooms. What can be offered to anyone downtown? Look outside to other areas and price apartments, Centerville is around 1000 a month for 1400 sq ft with the extras and a garage. I know it is too much to ask, but why don't they look up on the internet the prices of apartments and what is offered. They will see this is just another stupid decision for downtown. |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Nov 19 2013 at 2:25pm
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Hmmmm…..Now 260 deluxe rental units are being built next to I-75. |
Posted By: HdMechanical
Date Posted: Nov 19 2013 at 3:30pm
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Just a thought......Maybe one of us need to do a little research. There is a couple transportation support services (TruckStops) being built within 15-20 miles of Middletown. Maybe we are overlooking a major player expanding or relocating in this area. Those companies did not just decide to build and locate those terminals based on a dart throw or heresay. In reality if you was relocating close to this area for employment, Middletown still has the small town lure, and good choice of amenities without living in Dayton being subject to an airstrike or worse and big city crime.
Never know...
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Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: Nov 19 2013 at 4:16pm
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Well, and airstrike in Dayton would hit Middletown as well. LOL If you do your research, Cincinnati would be a better marked based on companies, employment and quality of entertainment that would draw a crowd. They have been successful in converting many old buildings to upscale condos. But you have to look at what they have to offer. Then look at what Middletown has in there downtown, you do not see any employment, entertainment - does not have a walking environment to local eateries. Also if you look into the metro areas, you will see it is young white collared workers. If you want a successful downtown, you have to quit doing the same mistakes over and over and expecting something different. I understand that building apartments is new, however we have many apartments downtown I would not let my dog sleep in. Clean it up, but I forgot we are cutting our public safety. My suggestion is to actual have a plan with goals instead of just coming up with an idea, wasting alot of money and hoping it works.
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Posted By: Rhodes
Date Posted: Nov 19 2013 at 11:53pm
| The idea of apartment living should have been done a long time ago. It would work b/c it has worked. Trinity Place has been a huge success for 30 years. The idea of individual buildings without convenient parking or amenities has not been tested. If the city really wants more people downtown they should copycat Trinity Place. Seems so simple, yet you rarely hear any of the downtown crowd bragging on the success just a few blocks away. |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Nov 20 2013 at 6:13am
Rhodes: "If the city really wants more people downtown they should copycat Trinity Place. Seems so simple, yet you rarely hear any of the downtown crowd bragging on the success just a few blocks away." Not sure....Trinity Place represents subsidized housing doesn't it? If so, even though the city leaders voluntarily brought low income to town and agreed to the Trinity Place location and tenant status, I doubt that it fits into their "upscale/artzy/wine tastin'/cheese eatin'/ cultural environment they are trying to create in THEIR downtown. Probably not mentioned because they are ashamed to have it so close to their "cultural mecca". It would damage the "refined" image they are so desperate to capture down there. Places like the Hope House and other homeless shelters and the gala-colored "border town" gold shops up by the railroad tracks on Central aren't necessarily in the downtown spotlight. Places like the Liberty are tolerated in close vicinity because it is an icon, like the Jug, in this city  JMO------------- I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over. |
Posted By: HdMechanical
Date Posted: Nov 20 2013 at 9:36am
I agree, but these companies have already broke ground.........So what in their research was the deciding factor for the location.
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Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: Nov 20 2013 at 10:17am
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Good morning HD, If you look at Cincy, you see companies/employment downtown. A lot of the individuals that buy/rent there, work in the downtown area. Therefore no need to commute, they walk to work or ride a bus. What companies have broke ground in downtown Midd that will provide income to an individual to afford an 800 to 1400 a month rent payment. To live in and work in the same area. It just isn't there. Bring employment in, and the people will come. I get what Midd wants to do downtown - Look at Hyde Park - neat little community in Cincy. The little store front shops they have there are very high class, don't see any pawn shops like Midd. |
Posted By: over the hill
Date Posted: Nov 20 2013 at 10:22am
| We sure are going to have a LOT of downtown appts. The Journal building, the bank builing, maybe The Manchester. Just one guestion, where are ALL these renters coming from??? |
Posted By: Rhodes
Date Posted: Nov 20 2013 at 1:15pm
| Trinity Place has never been subsidized housing. If anything, I think they're the most expensive apartments in Middletown. The place has a reputation for being expensive and well maintained. That's the first time I've ever heard anyone lump Trinity Place into the low income pool. |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Nov 20 2013 at 3:38pm
THIS IS WHERE I MUST HAVE HEARD ABOUT TRINITY AND HUD/SECTION 8...THE ADDRESS LISTED ON THE SITE IS CLARK ST. THAT'S THE LOCATION, RIGHT? Trinity Manor Senior Housing Limited Partnership has 91 total units with 90 assisted living units. The property is intended for the Elderly (202) housing program. Last inspected on 07/07/2010, Trinity Manor Senior Housing Limited Partnership earned a Housing Quality Standards score of 99 out of 100, which means the living conditions of the property are far above average. A score of 86 or above is considered healthy and safe by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), and any property that scores below an 86 should be avoided. The Housing and Urban Development (HUD) department provides a "standard housing" score that reflects the physical condition of a residential unit. HUD Inspection Score99out of 100 The Trinity Place site gives the rent, depending on aq. ft., from around $550 for the smallest to around $900 for one that is 1345 aq. ft. ------------- I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over. |
Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: Nov 20 2013 at 3:44pm
| Vet, you're talking about Trinity Manor which is a building that is across from the Trinity Place apartments on Clark. |
Posted By: Rhodes
Date Posted: Nov 20 2013 at 10:36pm
| Instead of the city bulldozing houses at random, they ought to target the neighborhood behind Holy Trinity and wipe it out completely. That would make for a nice apartment community. Bordered by Clark, Manchester, Crawford, & Reinartz. Have a lot of green space or a lake (retention pond) in the middle. It would eliminate a lot of grit downtown and could provide a huge influx of working citizens that could cause some actual business growth on Central, from the depot down to Clark. That's how you make downtown growth happen. For downtown to succeed, it can't be limited events. It needs to be an ongoing lifestyle happening, every day. |
Posted By: Rhodes
Date Posted: Nov 20 2013 at 10:43pm
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I tried to edit my previous post, but there is some weird little screen telling me I waited past 5 min. and I don't have permission. ??? I guess there must be a big problem with edits on this site? Anyhow...
I meant Charles St., not Crawford St. in the above post.
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Nov 21 2013 at 5:58am
Thank you for the clarification Bill. Wasn't sure there was a difference. ------------- I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over. |
Posted By: over the hill
Date Posted: Nov 22 2013 at 9:50am
| I thought there were sec 8 voucher holders in Trinity Place. Somebody call the sec8 office and ask. |