Firefighter Layoffs
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Topic: Firefighter Layoffs
Posted By: middie83
Subject: Firefighter Layoffs
Date Posted: Sep 09 2011 at 2:32pm
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From what I hear the Fire Department plans on laying off 10 firefighters by Dec. 31st and "brown out" St. 84 on Tytus. 2 of the 10 layoffs would come through attrition, (2 have paperwork in to retire before the end of the year.)
Hope people don't mind waiting awhile for emergency personnel to show up when they call 911. Nice that the city is keeping this nice and quiet from the public. 
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Posted By: Stanky
Date Posted: Sep 09 2011 at 7:29pm
| Glad to hear it. We don't need to waste resources as the MFD does -- sending unneeded personnel and equipment to 80 year old's house because of heart palpitations. Less fire, more medics is fine. And more police, less fire would be nice too. |
Posted By: Wots
Date Posted: Sep 09 2011 at 8:49pm
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Your quite right there stank's!
Perhaps they need to hire psychic's to determine which runs to make to avoid these unneeded runs. Maybe you should run for mayor with all this insight you have on budget reductions.
Just keep you fingers crossed that you don't have a fire one of these days.
Tell me, you are a graduate of the public schools system, right? ------------- Wots Liberalism: Moochers Electing Looters to Steal from Producers. |
Posted By: Stanky
Date Posted: Sep 09 2011 at 9:41pm
| Fire fighters don't need to be at the sight of a medical emergency. |
Posted By: Bocephus
Date Posted: Sep 09 2011 at 10:19pm
What can I say,this statement is astounding
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Stanky wrote:Posted By: tbrew85
Date Posted: Sep 10 2011 at 8:06am
Not sure if you are aware but all Middletown fire personnel, with the exception of a couple "old timers" are paramedics, as well as firefighters. Its highly likely that if the "unneeded equipment" was sent, it was due to all the "medic units" being already on runs.
More police less fire? Really? Police rarely save lives. Medics do it every day.
When seconds count, police are only minutes away.
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Sep 10 2011 at 8:45am
Stanky, I have a wife of 39 years who had a massive stroke in Oct. of 09. She can't walk nor use her left arm and is wheel chair bound, probably for the rest of her life. She is 60. Since 09, she has had 5 seizures as a result of her stroke. It is not a pleasant thing to see when your loved one looks like they are ready to take their last breath. We have called 911 each time and within 5 minutes, we have had a fire truck and an ambulance at the residence to stabilize her and transport to Atrium. If there is one thing good, in a town full of bad, it is the service these people provide to those in need. You may not have a need now. We didn't have one either until Oct of 09. Our family appreciates them very much and needs them at times. You may feel the same someday if you receive a "surprise" in life that is none to pleasant to live. Just a thought for you. Not trying to lecture here. God Bless. |
Posted By: Stanky
Date Posted: Sep 10 2011 at 9:20am
| Vet, we're talking two different things. I'm not saying we don't need ambulance response. I'm saying why do we need fire personnel, fire engines, and the cost associated with those runs for those situations? Why can't we have more EMS staff responding rather than sending fire engines and MFD? Since when did medical runs need to become fire runs? Seems to me it's like at tax time requiring every simple 1040 tax return to be performed by a CPA. Too much waste. |
Posted By: TudorBrown
Date Posted: Sep 10 2011 at 9:44am
Makes sense, can't the fire fighters/engine stay at the station and only respond if the medics need them? |
Posted By: ground swat
Date Posted: Sep 10 2011 at 10:54pm
| This topic should be looked at. Know one is discounting or wanting to Bad mouth the MFD. Is Botts the guy in charge? We all know who Reps. the city. Could the fire dept. and OUR city come together and talk like adults? Maybe we need another E-Mail from Becker asking the ?. |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Sep 11 2011 at 9:38am
Consider this..... Each time the ambulance was sent, along with a fire truck, to my home for my wife, charges were accrued. Each time, the city bills my insurance company, Anthem, and my wife's insurance, Medicare Part B (worthless, by the way as Anthem pays 99% of her bills until she turns 65), according to the EOB, $745 for the run plus a mileage charge to transport her to Atrium.(plus pillows, blankets, gurney sheets, etc.) That insurance payment to the city is more city revenue from a city who has precious revenue sources to pull from. Multiply that run by the thousands made each year, and it could matter to the city budget. Now, I don't know if sending a fire truck along with the ambulance is a way to jack up the charge to the insurance company or not, but it may be. I believe the fire department was asked why a fire truck along with an ambulance is sent a while back, but I can't remember the response. While you're on the subject of E-Mailing, ask the question (which has been discussed before) why a fire truck and crew all go to Marsh or Kroger to get groceries for the firehouses. Seems to me the fire truck could be kept at the station along with entire crew minus one to do the grocery shopping. Pay a set fee for the use of the firefighters private vehicle usage. Would be cheaper than driving the fire truck to the grocery, wouldn't it? Don't need to wait for the grocery shopper if a call comes in. Firefighter could go directly to the call location in their car by carrying a radio. JMO |
Posted By: middie83
Date Posted: Sep 15 2011 at 3:28pm
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The fire truck is sent on a set protocol that the dispatchers have. They go on ALS (advanced life support) runs. Such as dispatched chest pain, short of breath, seizures, shooting, stroke, ect. There are many times that these runs require additional personnel then just the 2 that come on the squad. As well due to staffing cuts and only 3 squads in the entire city, many times the squads are out coming back from the hospital or another run and the fire truck will get there before the squad. As stated earlier these people are paramedics as well and carry the equipment to begin treatment.
Sending a fire engine to a call has no change on EMS billing. If a squad only responds but it turns out that ALS procedures are needed for that person and are performed then the billing company will bill for such. As far as the fire truck going to the store for food. Again due to budget cuts MFD staffs fire engines with 3 persons. It is dept. policy that a total of 4 personnel must be onscene before entering a structure that is on fire. So if a person were to take their own vehicle to the store look at this possible scenario. Person goes to store, thus fire engine has 2 personnel. Fire comes in with people trapped. Fire truck arrives with 2 people, deputy chief/shirt commander arrives 1 more person = 3 people on scene. Those 3 must now wait for the next engine, possibly quite a ways out or for the person in their own vehicle to drive with the flow of traffic to get there. Another possibility that person goes to store. Medical call comes in for a person not breathing. Fire engine and squad arrive, 2 people on each = 4 total. You need at least 3 people min. in back of the squad to provide treatment and 1 to drive the squad. You now must leave that fire engine unattended where it sits. As it is now 1 person drives to hospital to pick up crew that rode in with squad to hospital as serious runs such as a person not breathing can keep a squad crew at the hospital for some time with paperwork and resupplying. This allows that fire truck to get back in service quite sometime quicker and available to respond to further details. |
Posted By: middie83
Date Posted: Sep 15 2011 at 3:41pm
| I also would like to state MFD makes just over 10,000 runs a year. This does not include annual inspections of all businesses, schools, churches, nursing homes, testing of fire hydrants, public educations, and training. MFD has I believe a total of 75 personnel on shift work (3 shifts, 25 guys per shift.) so that's 133.3 runs per person a year. Do some research in the amount of runs per year with personnel number around the tri state and you will see MFD has one if not the least amount of personnel related to run volume. This city is severely understaffed with fire and EMS personnel. |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Sep 15 2011 at 3:53pm
| Thank you for the response. We could have speculated forever here. Hearing what the situation is from a person involved in day to day operations kind of stops the debate for me. A perfect example of the general public seeing things like a fire truck parked on standby at Krogers or Marsh and wondering why and seeing a fire truck accompany an ambulance (as has been the case at our house) and wondering why the extra manpower, especially seeing the fire truck in a non-participant role in the run........and not really understanding the true situation. Perceptions albeit false. |
Posted By: Stanky
Date Posted: Sep 15 2011 at 4:54pm
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middie83, still not sure why we need fire personnel to respond to medical emergencies. why not just hire a few more medics and have 3 to a medic van? Skip the fireman and the engine. No more trumped up numbers claiming thousands of fire runs. 10,000 doesn't tell me much because I know we don't have a fraction of that number in actual fires and inspections.
I'm not sure that a "department policy" means it makes sense to continue a way of doing things. After all, isn't it in the department's interest to write policies that require more firefighters to engage a fire? More "need" means more staffing! The odds of someone in this town dying at the hands of criminals is far greater than dying in a house fire. I'm not saying deaths by fire never happen but they are incredibly rare. Most fires are property damage issues. More cops, less fire. |
Posted By: middletownscouter
Date Posted: Sep 15 2011 at 5:08pm
| Stanky, the medics are the fire personnel. Not sure if that was stated clearly above but all the medics are also firefighters, and nearly every firefighter in MFD is also a trained medic. In most cases you don't get one or the other, these guys are both. |
Posted By: middie83
Date Posted: Sep 15 2011 at 9:53pm
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Stanky, the city has 3 fire engines and 1 ladder truck. Each have 3 personnel on it. On a fire the first engine driver stays outside to operate the pump. So 2 fighting fire, the second engine driver takes accountability (keeps track of who is in and who is out and where they are in.) so 2 more people in = 4. The 3rd engine is the RAT (Rapid Assistance Team) they stay out and if someone goes down they respond. And the ladder driver operates the ladder and the other 2 go in or cut a hole in the roof for ventilation. 2 squads go, the first with 2 guys for search and rescue the second squad for rehab or to tend to the injured. So thats around 8 guys to fight a fire. I'm sure you've seen pictures of Cincinnati, Colerain twp., New York, ect. that have 20+ personnel to fight a fire.
So saying that do you think it fiscally smart to hire more medics to ride in a van to go with the squad or continue to use the fire engine to assist? You're going to spend more on payroll, insurance, pension, ect. on hiring more people. If you have watched any council meeting where Chief Botts speaks his policies aren't all about getting more personnel. He has even made the statement that we will do more with less. 10,000 is combined fire and ems details. I will try and get the total number or inspections ect. that are done each year. You are right most fires are just property damage. But are you willing to roll the dice and take that chance? Secondly, you cut firemen and that small property damage just turned into the house burning down to the ground. Lets also not forget those squads don't and aren't able to carry the equipment needed to cut trapped people out of cars. Finally, I will say yes, there are a lot of criminals and crime in this city. But if you get hurt by one of them how long do you want to wait for trained personnel to get there to provide you with treatment? Just my two cents. |
Posted By: ground swat
Date Posted: Sep 16 2011 at 6:29pm
| Bottom line, we have to stay within the budget. Don't ask me how we come up with money to buy buildings or SUPPORT the art theme. I'm guessing the MFD will do all they can to help the city with some tough decisions! Union leadership is required. |
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Sep 19 2011 at 5:07am
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Stanky,
I have a germ of an idea that may save considerable money in the way these calls are handled. I am just not 100% sure it is feasable. I'd like to run it by the troops (and I mean they actual people that would have to implement it, NOT the "brass") to either tell me why it won't work, tell me how to make it work, or tell me that it will work BEFORE I make it public and possibly make a fool of myself.
Perhaps I'll stop by one of the stations some evening and just talk to "the guys" and get their take on it. ------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Posted By: tbrew85
Date Posted: Sep 21 2011 at 3:13pm
Seems like you are still failing to realize that Medics and Fire are the same individuals.
Of those 10000 runs, well over 9000 of them are medic runs.
The odds of dying from an injury or illness are FAR FAR greater then dying at the hands of a criminal.
My Ruger or Kimber, depending on the day, evens my odds against the criminals.
If Im in a car accident, the Medics are far more important to me then the police are.
The odds of a Police officer responding in time to prevent an injury or death due to a criminal is almost nil. Like Ive said before, When seconds count, the police are only minutes away. You could add 50 officers and that would still be the case.
We DONT need less "Fire". We could use more police, but if its a choice between the two, Fire "read Medics" is in far more demand then police.
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Posted By: middie83
Date Posted: Sep 26 2011 at 12:47pm
| Twice yesterday multiple fire apparatus were put out of service while the crew for that fire engine jumped over to reserve medics to take additional medical calls. During those times the city only had a ladder truck with 3 personnel and a deputy chief/shift commander to handle fire calls. The department has already handled over 8,000 combined fire and ems calls as of last night.....run volume continues to increase every year. Just FYI to all. |
Posted By: ground swat
Date Posted: Sep 26 2011 at 2:06pm
| Is the City doing all they can to cut cost? Is the Union listening to it's members? Something has to give, can't do much about a federal shut down but Everyone has to get on board with OUR local issues. M83 don't like to call anyone out but I like to hear your thoughts. Do we have the right leadership handling this issue? |
Posted By: middie83
Date Posted: Sep 26 2011 at 9:16pm
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groundswat: the fire department union has been in negotiations with the city to try and make concessions so no one is laid off. I trust in the union leadership in that they will make the right decisions. However, even if an agreement is reached it still has to be voted on by the members and council has to approve it. What I think puts a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths though is if you remember when the last public safety levy was passed the city "leadership" told residents that if it was passed they would not decrease service.....now they're talking of laying off 10. They already have spots/positions that they refuses to fill. The personnel number for the FD has declined over the years while run volume goes up, tell me how that works?
I will be very honest here but try to remain politically correct. It angers and saddens me when I hear a Chief say he "looks forward to the challenge ahead." and that's in front of council. I don't know what all the job entails, whats said behind closed doors, ect. But at sometime I think you have to open your eyes and say "I can't cut anymore, if I do it will affect the safety of my personnel and the residents of this city." Overall I think if FF's are laid off and staffing is cut it's a game of Russian roulette. Just a matter of time before the trigger is pulled and some is hurt. |
Posted By: ground swat
Date Posted: Sep 29 2011 at 9:12am
| M83 thanks for answering I didn't mean to ask and then not return. This Cincy state deal has taken up a little of my time. I've got to head out but have a few more questions, Thanks again I know how important this issue is. |
Posted By: AKBobby
Date Posted: Sep 29 2011 at 10:18am
Not gonna argue the importance of medics. The MFD is stellar and very good. There's no debate about that. Great firemen we have here and they are hard workers. But this city is overun with crime, not fires or injuries. In 1995 the police dept had 90 officers. Now they have 74 I believe. That's 16 less officers in a city that has grown with annexation and taken in more out of town criminals than any city in Ohio. That's ridiculous. And what's sad is people on here complain about what our police make. Did you know Trenton, Monroe, and the BC Sheriifs office officers make as much or more as Middletown and they do half the work and don't even compare to the high volume of calls or unsafe situations MPD does. According to the community stats the police had over 50,000 calls last year and 9,000 arrests. There were officers assaulted, injured at the hands of suspects, etc. Across the nation, deaths of officers and assaults on police are at an all time high. I have family that work there so maybe I'm biased but still, the numbers and stats don't lie. We need more police AND more fire. Not less. ------------- AK - What is going on with that? |
Posted By: ground swat
Date Posted: Sep 29 2011 at 5:28pm
| You have according to the city only so much money. How do you spend it? |
Posted By: ground swat
Date Posted: Sep 29 2011 at 9:24pm
| Got a E-mail the police received a grant for $1,014,000.00 from the Dept of justice. Good news! |
Posted By: AKBobby
Date Posted: Sep 30 2011 at 7:49am
I heard that on the news this morning. That's great news. That'll keep 4 officers from getting laid off!  ------------- AK - What is going on with that? |
Posted By: LMAO
Date Posted: Oct 04 2011 at 9:09pm
Think it a damn shame our Spineless leaders figure buying up property,old latern lights and giving Cincy State a free ride is more important then fireman in this city.I give botts kuddos for not telling each one of them to kiss where the sun dont shine. One question to mayor mullethead,and MsJudy how the hell do you sleep at night?We have nothing but liars that work in the city building.
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Posted By: middie83
Date Posted: Oct 26 2011 at 9:14am
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Well it seems those at the negotiating table on the city side aren't interested in saving any firefighter jobs and have every intention of closing the Tytus Rd station and laying off 10. The firefighters union has offered up many concessions which the city will "accept" however, the city will not return and say it will save "X" number of jobs.
This comes after multiple days and multiple time through those days that at times every fire and ems unit were on details and unavailable to respond to additional calls in the city. I guess our Mayor, City Manager and Fire Chief are just willing to role the dice of peoples life! Layoff notices are supposed to go out Nov. 1 to give employees 60 days notice. I hope our city council sees this as unacceptable and puts a stop to it. If not I foresee it only a matter of time before Middletown will be in the news for someone getting hurt, injured or dying due to this decreased ability to provide adequate fire and ems service. What a sad day in the City of Middletown. |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Oct 26 2011 at 9:58am
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middie83 writes......
"Well it seems those at the negotiating table on the city side aren't interested in saving any firefighter jobs and have every intention of closing the Tytus Rd station and laying off 10" Nope.....when we passed the safety levy, the city declared that it would MAINTAIN the current workforce and police/fire dept. situation. That was the criteria as it was presented to the voters and the resulting passage. Perhaps, given that information, someone needs to contact the city manager/leaders and point out that they are not honoring the commitment that was on the table at the time the safety levy was passed and they'll play hell getting the next levy passed. But, then again, we are talking about honoring a commitment to the citizens and that has never been a high priority for this city government. Sad that they have basically played the public for suckers......again.  Can't believe a thing that comes out of that city building, can we?
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Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: Oct 26 2011 at 10:46am
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Wrong Vet.
The storyline here is to get out the NO voters on SR2. City always finds money somewhere stashed away, or Picard will come forward with the others, screaming, there just cannot be cuts to public safety. Its a ploy to save the day in a few months, the money is already there, and tee up next year's fight over keeping the 1.75% tax. That's all.
The city should reduce firemen and use more volunteers, just as more neighborhood watch groups should be forming. But, the union has to have its pecking order for advancement. It appears if you read your Democratic poll, 'Q', SR5 defeat is immeninent.
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Oct 26 2011 at 11:20am
Well, to this voter, who is against union greed at the expense of those who are not connected to the unions, it would be a travesty to see this thing defeated. Have been seeing the union carpet bombing anti-SB5-vote no method being used nightly on TV with their "not entirely accurate" portrayal of SB5 and what it is all about. The teachers, fire, police and public unions should be looking upward for a lightning strike with all their fabricated bullcrap in these commercials. I am tired of some of my paycheck going to help pay most of their premiums for their health and dental care that is probably better than mine in the private sector. Tired of helping to foot the bill for their retirement too. Let them take care of that out of their "43%" more paycheck. Time they started paying their fair share. And, if you can believe the pro SB5 ads that state the unions have made 43% more (might be a fabrication, I don't know) than us non-union sector people, it aggravates me even more. WAYYYY out of proportion IF TRUE. The voters would be fools to retain this 1.75% safety tax after this blatant lie to them on the first go-around. Not only vote any proposed increase down for additional funds, cut the current one from 1.75% back to 1.50%. The lies and deceit should be recognized by the voters and the levy rejections should start now. They lie, they lose funding for their programs. |
Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: Oct 26 2011 at 11:33am
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If unions retain their power base, Ohio becomes Illinois, where Wisconsin is scooping up businesses right and left, just like indiana is now doing to Ohio.
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Oct 26 2011 at 11:45am
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Picard- retains 4th Ward
Mayor- Mayor Mulligan two term, +23 pt Jones- at large (not all entirely foolish) +10 pt Mulligan at large (the marketing one, not the number guy), at large), close with Jones, but she votes like an MMF anyway, and I like Joe. +10 pt Mort- +7 pts God,help us all. The town continues it's decline into ghettoland. Select people continue to get what they want out of the town, stripping the carcass like a corporate raider. Can't get enough people that care enough to go to the polls to vote the destructors out by outvoting the MMF clan. Ironic, the very people who are getting the shaft by the MMF puppets are the very people who are helping retain the MMF scum that is doing the shafting by not voting against them and forcing them out. All because the people don't care enough to change it. Sad. |
Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: Oct 26 2011 at 11:55am
Is it bad breath, or a general dislike Mr. Mulligan has for AJS? Mints (Tums for me) please.
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Posted By: middie83
Date Posted: Oct 27 2011 at 1:43pm
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Accalaro: How do you propose the city use volunteer firefighters? Do you realize the loss in service you will get in doing so? You will go from a FF level 2 to FF volunteer level, Paramedic to EMT-Basic, loose haz-mat techs, trench rescue techs, fire inspectors, fire investigators, search and rescue techs, ect. ect. ect. Then when you loose that you will have to pay outside agencies to do those jobs that you have now. Your response times will at least double, so when your having a heart attack, a parent isn't breathing, a child is choking, a house is on fire, a family is trapped in a car instead of waiting just 2-4min you will now wait 8-12+ min for help to arrive. Doesn't sound like much more of a wait but when it comes to medical life and death every minute counts.
Ask Madison twp., Fairfield twp., Turtle Creek and other surrounding departments why they have pushed to get away from from volunteer staffing. VietVet: I fully understand your anger at the city on the safety levy. I wish next council meeting people lined up to tell the city that it is unacceptable to go back on their word that they gave to the residents. I won't really get into SB5/Issue2 because that's a whole other topic that could go on for quite awhile. But trust me Middletown Firefighters pay their portion of their pension and healthcare and aren't seeing 43% more on the paycheck. At least I'm not, if I was I wouldn't work another job and work 72+ hours a week! |
Posted By: middie83
Date Posted: Oct 27 2011 at 1:54pm
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Tell us how you would handle the city's budget concerns?
Middletown, like most other local governments, is facing a budget deficit. I want to focus on ideas of increasing revenue to the city as opposed to cutting. Middletown needs to have a pro-growth agenda of bringing in new business. New business to Middletown means more dollars flowing through our city economy. More dollars in our city equals more revenue. This will pull us out of our budget situation. In the meantime, the city has no choice but to operate as lean as possible. Middletown City government must provide basic services such as police and fire protection. Other area's may unfortunately have to go more lean. This was from a Q&A the protical son Josh Liarbach did Aug of last year. Let's see if he holds true to his word and provides police and fire protection or votes to cuts them! |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Oct 27 2011 at 2:30pm
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middie83....
"Middletown needs to have a pro-growth agenda of bringing in new business. New business to Middletown means more dollars flowing through our city economy. More dollars in our city equals more revenue. This will pull us out of our budget situation" True. Been saying that for a long time. So have others. Look no further. Do you see that picture above, on this thread posted by acclaro with council, Gilleland, and those I don't recognize? They and the councils, city managers and city leaders of the past are to blame. (Yes Stanky, I'm blaming your buddies again at city hall for the failure to bring decent jobs into town the last 30+ years) Who else would control the direction of the town? Who else to blame? It sure isn't the citizens as we have been excluded in determining the future of our town for many years. Miserable failures, most of them, past and present, at growing this city. And some have the audacity to have smiles on their faces in the picture.....especially the city manager and Mulligan, who apparently have no conscience. |
Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: Oct 27 2011 at 2:46pm
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Jackie Philips hopes the Health care levy passes by 80%. The city cut back on its financial contribution which saw it as overhead it could not afford, is it not also needless overhead for the majority of residents? REDUNDANCY of the same services within the same county is fiduciary insanity. That's what leverage and regionialization provide. Integrate Middletown's health department into Buter Cty Health. Too logical not to, other than a title. |
Posted By: ground swat
Date Posted: Oct 27 2011 at 4:11pm
| People will always be getting hurt or passing on to a better life know matter how many police and fire you have, we all know that. Certainly that number is less with more employees. I know I will be going over our family fire drill at our house a little more often and checking those alarms and cleaning our chimney. M83 are you saying Middletown leadership has No pro-growth plan? We all know the last 20 yrs. of wild stock prices and everyone being able to get a house. Well thats over with and the state has decided to do something about that $8B. we are in debt for. How it happened who's to blame doesn't mean Sh t. It's here and do we have any real thinkers out there that can work out of this problem. Moron's? I thought only one poster like to call people names. The Chamber, that is a good question and one i've been asking other business people about for years. Not alot support, thats from the GS polling group of Middletown. |
Posted By: middie83
Date Posted: Nov 02 2011 at 11:28pm
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For anyone on here that lives in the area covered by St. 84 (Tytus rd.) or for that matter anyone that live in the City of Middletown. I would strongly encourage that you contact members of city council and the city manager and express to them that it is unacceptable to close or brown out that station. Not only is it the only ladder truck that this city has but is also a paramedic equipped unit that is able to quickly respond to that area in medical emergencies.
Little did Smiley Chief Botts let everyone know at the council meeting last night but he has met with the city manager and finance department and they plan on starting brown outs of St. 84 as soon as next week. People this is just the start! They are willing to play a game of chance with residents, citizens and public safety employees safety! Local 336 (fire dept. union) has offered up numerous concessions which the city will surely take but refuse to in-turn give any guarantee on the retention of jobs. Many probably on here have never had to use the services of the MFD. I am very thankful for that and hope you never have to. But do you really want to go to bed at night with the thought on your mind that if a time does come that you have to dial 911 for a medical or fire emergency your care and protection may be coming from Monroe, Franklin, maybe even Liberty twp. because the administration has left fire and ems protection within the city of Middletown at bare bones and they are all out on other details! I am asking for your support. Please contact city council and the city manager. Larry Mulligan larrym@cityofmiddletown.org (513) 258-7284 Judy Gilleland judyg@cityofmiddletown.org (513) 425-7766 City Council dept_citycouncil@cityofmiddletown.org (513) 425-7719 |
Posted By: taxed2death
Date Posted: Nov 02 2011 at 11:46pm
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Have sent an Email today to my council member hope to hear back from him! ------------- I hope it gets better soon! |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Nov 03 2011 at 6:09am
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middie83 states....
"Not only is it the only ladder truck that this city has but is also a paramedic equipped unit that is able to quickly respond to that area in medical emergencies". "People this is just the start! They are willing to play a game of chance with residents, citizens and public safety employees safety" . "But do you really want to go to bed at night with the thought on your mind that if a time does come that you have to dial 911 for a medical or fire emergency your care and protection may be coming from Monroe, Franklin, maybe even Liberty twp. because the administration has left fire and ems protection within the city of Middletown at bare bones and they are all out on other details!" TO ALL THREE COMMENTS MADE BY MIDDIE83, I RESPOND BY SAYING.....THEN THE CITY MANAGER AND OTHER CITY LEADERS THAT ARE A PART OF THIS DECISION OF PLACING THE RESPONDERS IN A POSITION THAT WOULD CREATE AN EXCESSIVE RESPONSE TIME TO A 911 CALL BETTER BUCKLE UP AND BE PREPARED TO MAN THE DEFENDANTS SEAT AT THE TRIAL. IF MY WIFE DIES DUE TO AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF RESPONSE TIME, AND THE SITUATION CAN BE PROVEN THAT THE SLOW RESPONSE TIME COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED OR WAS INTENTIONALLY CAUSED, I'LL BE SEEING GILLELAND AND THE OTHERS IN COURT. |