School Funding
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Topic: School Funding
Posted By: VietVet
Subject: School Funding
Date Posted: Mar 25 2011 at 7:15am
Today's Journal....
Districts say school funding picture unclear
According to Thursday’s numbers, Middletown City Schools would receive about $28.3 million from the state, a 6.2 percent increase, in the first year and $29.2 million, a 3.4 percent increase, in the second.
“It looks like the state is going to give it to us piece by piece,” said Robin Long, assistant treasurer at Middletown schools. “As we get each piece we’ll begin to start looking through it.”
ASSISTANT TREASURER????? Middletown needs an assistant treasurer? What does the Treasurer do on a daily basis once the budget is set up? Is the job so overwhelming that they need this position? Thought they were cutting some fat in the higher salary positions in the schools and the city building? In your opinion, Ms. Andrew, is this position really needed? How many other positions like this sit under the radar?
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Posted By: jsmith2011
Date Posted: Mar 26 2011 at 7:58am
The assistants have assistants in the school district and then they all have a secretary.
20 years ago there were about 4 administration positions in the main office of the school district. Go to the website and count them now. 3 or 4 times as many positions are being paid and being paid highly. They have directors of everything you can think of but when they have a professional development for the staff they will pay someone to come in and do the instruction. Any time they are questioned about funding for any area the response is "it is being paid for by a grant".
Look at the salaries in Sunday's paper. There is an employee listed as a substitute teacher and she is making over $50,000.00 a year. That person was hired into a job several years ago under incorrect procedures and when she could not do the job she was hired to do, they created a position for her. This happens frequently in the school district.
At the April 4th school board meeting they are going to announce that they have now RIFFED the librarians, the hall monitors and more. The positions that are filled by classified staff who make low wages but are there for the students. These people will never be hired back but those administrators who are riffed usually find their was back into the system under another job title.
A rumor is going around that they are already planning to hire Debbie Alberico back under a different position title. Remember when the school district was trying to pass a levy and there were so many complaints about the assistant superintendent? They said they cut that position and the person. Then they changed the title of the position to Senior Director of Learning and hired Betsy Carter.
The school board should be ashamed of themselves.
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Posted By: rem 1187
Date Posted: Mar 26 2011 at 8:53am
Maybe this topic could be filed under the" what a mess" thread. This group of employees needs a wake up call and fast. Have always supported the levies, not anymore. To many stories to go into and I want to make some phone calls to confirm. Academic reality vs. private sector reality.
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Posted By: sickofthebull
Date Posted: Apr 28 2011 at 11:03am
Maybe Marcia can also explain why teachers are being cut and classes loaded up if the financial picture isn't as bleak as they have been projecting...why is this fair???? No librarians??? What on earth are you people thinking?? Why do we need Kathy Jonas, Kathy Jones AND Betsy Carter???? Is Lisa Lowery worth $104,000 a year??? Oh wait, let me guess...grant money pays for them...Head Start instead of a preschool program of our own?? Is it true Head Start doesn't transport? Is it true Head Start is based on income?? Won't that exclude people?? Do you even care??
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Posted By: jsmith2011
Date Posted: Apr 28 2011 at 7:53pm
I believe the taxpayers don't know the half of it! Why does Milt Thompson, Ron Klapper and Mike Hammond all drive school district cars AND fill up the tanks at the bus garage? Thompson lives somewhere like Wilmington. So, we pay for all that and who knows what else. How about the I phones all the directors, assistant, principals, and who knows who else have. What does that cost the district a year?
Mrs. Andrews will explain it all to you though....and then tell you to run for school board if you don't like it.
Hey, maybe that's a good idea. Gas is $4.15 a gallon now, I guess if you could get the school district to give you a car and the gas it would be a really good deal. Add that cost to their salaries.
What will it cost for the school district to take Highview and make it fit for 6th graders? Plus new letterhead and everything that goes with it... Why didn't they just put the 6th graders back into their home schools? I'm guessing it's because when they change the name of a school then the Ohio Department of Education rating for Academic Emergency, etc. for the past 7 years drops and they start anew. Makes it look like the district is actually moving ahead of the game.
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Posted By: jsmith2011
Date Posted: Apr 28 2011 at 11:37pm
Sickofthebull....they are thinking alright, those in the administration building are thinking about saving their own jobs so they are recommending cuts that hurt the schools and the students. They have cut positions of people without even knowing what those employees job involved. For instance, the school district print shop is a good example. They let that employee go and instead will send the printing out to Kinko's or Staple's. How could that cost less? They didn't even realize what all she did until after the fact. They let her go but they kept Thompson, Klapper and Hammond. Oh, and Klapper's son, who now works for the school district too. Wonder what his title will be? Director of what? Wonder if he will get a car too and fill it up at the bus garage. I'm sure he will. Right, Mrs. Andrews, isn't Mr. Klappers son working for the school district too? Exactly what is his title? Also, exactly what is his experience to get a job with the district? Wasn't he selling used cars? Must be nice to be him, get your daddy to hire you and lay off employees who actually have experience.
Same with the libraries. They didn't think or know the details about the libraries. They didn't think about the value of those materials and what is going to happen now that someone isn't responsible to keep tract of the lost books, bill students, take inventory every year. They didn't know that the librarians actually had Academic Standards that they followed to instruct students in the library for each grade level. That was proven in the post where Marcia Andrews mentioned there was no such thing. Well, there is and "volunteers" aren't going to do that. The libraries were much more than what they thought they were. They didn't take into consideration that those employees had years of experience, all they know is books are taken off and put back on the shelf. And now, they have ruined that program and it will never be what it has been in the past. It's sad, for the students.
Go ask any of the certified staff who are taken out of the classrooms constantly for professional developments. Subs are brought in, the classes are chaos, it's not the subs fault. The kids need structure. At the budget meetings, it was brought up over and over at the schools by those staff members....cut the professional development but guess what, the person who is in the administration building would not recommend such a thing, it could be her job on the line! Of course, it's all funded through grants, so they say. Even though there are employees who are supposed to be in charge of all this, they hire consultants to do the work. There are more consultants walking around the schools these days than anyone could imagine. And then the consultants bring in their husbands and others and they get paid too.
The problem is that they have so many highly paid directors and assistants in the administration building no one knows what the other one is doing plus they don't know what goes on in the schools. They make the decisions to cut these people to save their own jobs.
Also, after going back at looking at the staff that were let go at the April board meeting I was surprised that Derrick Bobbett was still employed by this school district. Do you remember when he was the principal of Creekview and was arrested TWICE in one night for a DUI? Why the hell was he still even employed? And I'm sorry but I'll bet any of you on here that when school starts in August there will be a place found for Mrs. Million. They will find a "grant" to fund her salary.
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Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: Apr 29 2011 at 11:12am
I think the thug who spoke from the OEA and all those teachers whom supporting him are pathetic. An erosion of the middle-class. What a joke. Kasish, the son of a mailman, doesn't care for teachers? How revolting. I'm sick of the outrage and falehoods and WASTE by the state school system and Middletown. Its outrageous. jsmith...you are kidding about school cars aren't you? And employes feeling their cars up and taxpayer expense to drive to work? You get me proof of that and I will personally get in touch with the AG and the Governor's office. The speaker from the OEA just outraged me, and I have 7 generations that taight school. This is so out of hand, the social entitlement is now state workers and those in the school system. ad nauseum, and no longer will be tolerated.
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Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Apr 29 2011 at 4:25pm
Led by the DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY, Wednesday night the Massachusetts House overwhelmingly voted to strip police officers, teachers, and other municipal employees of most of their rights to bargain over health care, saying the change would save millions of dollars for financially strapped cities and towns.
Where’s all the same hate-speech directed towards the Massachusetts Democrats that was spewed towards Republicans in Ohio and Wisconsin?
Does this mean the thug from the OEA thinks the Massachusetts Democrats hate teachers, too??
Why hasn't this story received the same amount of attention from the mainstream media that Ohio and Wisconsin did???
------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: Apr 29 2011 at 6:15pm
Massachusetts is so liberal, Nobama and his union thuggery don't need to waste their time, nor their army of liberal biased reporters from CNN, MSNBC, and the major networks. But Ohio and Wisconsin, Nobama will use the race card and the union nonsense to try to make a play in each state. I don't think he has a prayer of carrying Ohio nor Pa., and Wisconsin probably will be a nail biter. Nobama out in 2012, but the reason for lack of coverage is is union thugs don't want to waste the effort, that state is a lockup. The fake outrage only is where a state is in play. That OEA thug really disgusted me.
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Posted By: jsmith2011
Date Posted: May 01 2011 at 5:49pm
acclaro- One of the people who work there told me that they fill up their cars there. Why would you doubt it? They also told me that they have a lot more they could tell.....really makes you wonder what goes on.
Also, I checked with someone at John XXIII, they have a paid librarian and volunteers to help her.
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Posted By: TonyB
Date Posted: May 02 2011 at 1:50pm
Mr. P, What the Democrats in Mass. did was just as wrong as what the Republicans did in Ohio. Wrong doesn't know political boundaries. The media is just as complicit in this finger pointing, holier than thou mentality. If it makes their point, they run it; if not, they ignore it.
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: May 23 2011 at 6:54am
Coming to your wallet soon.....wait for it.......another attempt to justify another .......levy.....how 'bout that folks! Just had one a few years ago, didn't we? Asking every two or three years now, aren't they?
Yesterday's Journal..
Middletown Schools discuss likely 2012 levy
MIDDLETOWN — A looming deficit may in turn make 2012 a levy year for Middletown City Schools.
It’s too early to determine what form a levy might take, Long said. An emergency levy, typically the first option considered, is an expiring levy that may result in the district continually seeking renewals.
Since SB 5 does not take hold until existing contracts expire, new contracts may delay the implementation of the controversial initiative for two or three years, depending on contract language.
WHY WERE NEW CONTRACTS NEGOTIATED RIGHT BEFORE SB5? SEEMS CONVENIENT FOR THE TEACHERS DOESN'T IT? NOW, WE WILL WAIT TWO OR THREE YEARS TO SEE THE SHIP RIGHTED AS TO UNION DEMANDS. WHY SCHOOL BOARD, WHY?
Barb Alder, a retired Middletown teacher, said she thinks voters would be sympathetic to the school district if a new levy were presented before voters in 2012.
PROBABLY WRONG ON THAT ONE BARB. MAY BE SYMPATHETIC. DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FO THIS.
“I think people will recognize that because of the cuts to the state budget there’s nowhere else to go except to the voters in this school district,” she said.
AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM BARB.
Anna Thacker, the mother of a graduating senior at Middletown High School, disagrees.
“But at some point an administration has to step up to the plate. ... As American citizens, we are just going to have to choke up for a little bit. I’m willing to do that and I am doing that. School districts can do the same thing.”
AMEN ANNA
Sauter said he would be uncomfortable going to voters in 2012 if the school board hasn’t proven it has been wise with money and it is able to raise test scores.
"AND IT IS ABLE TO RAISE TEST SCORES"....AGAIN, RAISE TEST SCORES. HAVEN'T SEEN TEST SCORES RAISED IN ANY APPRECIABLE AMOUNT SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE TESTING. MIDDLETOWN IS ALWAYS ON THE BOTTOM OF THE TOTEM POLE COMPARED TO SURROUNDING DISTRICTS.
Final Ohio Graduation Test results are expected to be released soon. Sauter said he expects scores to be up from last year.
UP FROM THE BOTTOM, BUT PROBABLY STILL NOT ENOUGH TO CALL IT SUCCESS. THE BEST OF THE WORST I WOULD IMAGINE.....AGAIN WHAT IS IT NICK KIDD, MIDDLETOWN RANKS # 592 OUT OF 618 SCHOOL DISTRICTS???? AND FOR HOW LONG HAS THIS BEEN THE CASE?
A permanent operating levy can be a hard sell to voters.
YOU GOT THAT RIGHT. ANY TYPE OF LEVY WILL BE IN THIS ECONOMY AND CONSIDERING THE PERFORMANCE OF THIS SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT IN PREVIOUS LEVIES.
Including a loss of federal stimulus money, about 10 percent of Middletown’s funding could be gone next year, according to Long.
SO LET'S BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF THE POOR PROPERTY OWNERS IS YOUR ONLY SOLUTION?
If two successful years of increased scores are accompanied by an articulate message that the school board and Rasmussen have streamlined the budget in an effective manner, then Sauter said he will feel confident in asking voters to approve another levy.
YOU MAY BE FOOLING YOURSELF MR. SAUTER. WHAT WOULD AN "ARTICULATED MESSAGE" DO FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOTHING MORE TO GIVE IN PROPERTY TAXES OR WHO ARE ABOUT TO LOSE THEIR HOME TO FORECLOSURE? THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR "ARTICULATED MESSAGE".
“Those are the two big issues right now,” he said. “I, personally, am not one to go to the community with an additional levy until we’ve proven those two things.”
JUST SHOW US SOME IMPROVEMENT IN TEST SCORES, GETTING OUT OF THE CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT CATEGORY, IMPROVING ON THE 5 OF 30 INDICATORS, ALL STUCK IN NEUTRAL FOR TEN YEARS PLUS. GIVE US A REASON WHY WE SHOULD APPROVE YOUR LEVY, WHEN WE HAVE GIVEN YOU MONEY IN THE PAST AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED? IT IS LIKE THROWING MONEY AT A LOSING STOCK, KNOWING THERE WILL BE NO RETURN ON INVESTMENT. WHY WOULD ANYONE DO THAT, MR. SAUTER?
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Posted By: jsmith2011
Date Posted: May 23 2011 at 8:45am
No one is their right mind will approve a levy for the school district. In the past, I always supported the schools, even with their lack of improvement for the past 10 years, but not anymore. After finding out about all the money that is misspent, all the administrators they hire and all the half truths the board tells the taxpayers, no way. Anyone can go talk to staff, like I did, and find out the truth.
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Posted By: Middletown News
Date Posted: May 23 2011 at 9:53am
Well put.
jsmith2011 wrote:
No one is their right mind will approve a levy for the school district. In the past, I always supported the schools, even with their lack of improvement for the past 10 years, but not anymore. After finding out about all the money that is misspent, all the administrators they hire and all the half truths the board tells the taxpayers, no way. Anyone can go talk to staff, like I did, and find out the truth. |
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Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: May 23 2011 at 12:17pm
This must be the 'buzz' Ms. Andrew was speaking about---the 'buzz' that Middletown is so filled with poverty, 66% of the electorate that is so filled with apathy, they don't vote, that these nonseniscal levies keep coming out---over and over. Just a few years ago., the renewal passed, probably with Ms. Andrew telling the teachers to stay )put on hold) their salaries for a year, and then a new levy would be passed to make up for it. Just like what was provided the police and fire department.
Middletown's property values aren't half of what they were 7-10 years ago. Ask Dr. Pledger on daVinci about his once $ Mm home, that he can't sell for $500 Kk today, while paying $25 Kk in taxes. Only an idiot would vote for this levy, as the needle has been stuck on CI for years. I was a fool to support the renewal, but its time Middletown began acting like West Chester and Springboro and people look at the waste and overhead, and cut it to the bone.
They will try to sneak this in probably in May, but it must be shot down. The 'buzz' in Middletown is just a handful vote, that end up passing every levy, while the remaining 66% sit at home, because they can't afford to put gas in their car to go vote.
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Posted By: jsmith2011
Date Posted: May 24 2011 at 6:58am
Many of the taxpayers who could always be depended on to vote for the levy are now the parents of students who will be bused all over town next year from Highview, parents of students who will be in classes of 30 at Miller Ridge ( for which teachers get extra pay), parents of students at Wildwood who will have about 500 students and the art teacher pushing a cart because they need the classroom and parents of students who now go to Middletown Middle School with 900 other students. Also, parents of students who will not have trained staff in the libraries and parents of students at the high school who now do not have hall monitors for the students safety.
I can't imagine they will be happy with the outcome.
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Posted By: TonyB
Date Posted: May 24 2011 at 8:26am
This might be one of those rare times where we all sit back and watch what happens with all of the changes that have been made. Ok MCSD, you've made your changes, now let's see results or don't bother with a levy!!!
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jun 01 2011 at 11:29am
Today's Journal....
Senate budget restores $130M for cities, schools
COLUMBUS — In an attempt to lessen the sting felt by budget cuts, Republican state senators are throwing an extra $100 million into the local government fund, putting up $30 million for school districts that earn an excellent rating next school year.......
Whoops! Thought that this was good news for the Middletown schools as to funding and perhaps some relief for property owners from the proposed levy in 2012, but.......it only applies to school districts that may earn an excellent rating next year. Probably not gonna happen by next year for this district.
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Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: Jun 01 2011 at 4:46pm
I hope the school board can get their records doctored before 2012 so they can claim a chunk of that good ole republicrap money.I hate to see them miss their chance to give all around pay raises.
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Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jun 02 2011 at 4:34am
This shouldn’t be a problem at all.
A few years back, the Ohio Department of Education (ODE) revamped the entire ranking system so that even school districts ranked as low as 602nd out of 612, or so, could be tagged with the bogus “Continuous Improvement” rating even if they fell from say 590th to 599th. This allowed poor performing districts to shed unflattering descriptions and make it sound as if they were making progress, thus making it easier to pass levies.
There is no reason that the ODE bureaucrats, in concert with the OEA, cannot pull another such boondoggle to raise all districts to “excellent” this year. It’s just a matter of redefining a few terms and coining a few new buzzwords.
“Comparatively Excellent” and “Urban Exemplary” both have a nice ring to them.
------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jun 02 2011 at 6:21am
What say you school board members who monitor this site.....should we lower the standards in the manner that Mike has indicated? If the goal is unachievable for the situation at hand, (being given money by the state for excellence), should you school people champion the resetting of criteria for gaining that excellence just to get the extra money?
Please respond and reveal your character.
The dumbing down continues thanks to the folks in Columbus deciding to lower the bar for accomplishment. Accountability, performance and quality have been thrown out the window in the educational system nowadays. Just lower the standards to the level of actual ability to educate seems to be today's theme. Do you think this is happening in the Asian countries? Probably why they are light years ahead of us in educating their young people.
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jun 03 2011 at 6:54am
From today's Journal...
Middletown teachers taking a pay cut
The Middletown Teachers Association also agrees to higher health care costs in 3-year contract.
The Middletown Teachers Association — which represents about 500 teachers — also agreed to freezes on automatic raises and to shoulder a higher portion of their health care costs, which combined with the salary decreases would save the district an estimated $4.1 million.
WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF PRIVATE INDUSTRY TEACHERS! WE HAVE BEEN PAYING 15-24% OUT OF OUR PAYCHECKS FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW FOR DENTAL AND MEDICAL PREMIUMS IN ADDITION TO THE PREMIUMS THE COMPANY IS PAYING. WE HAVE ALSO SEEN LITTLE TO NO YEARLY RAISES AFTER OUR PERFORMANCE REVIEWS HAVE BEEN GIVEN FOR SEVERAL YEARS. THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR SEVERAL MONTHS NOW TONYB. THE PUBLIC PERKS RIDE MAY BE COMING TO AN END FOR SOME. REALITY IS A HARSH TEACHER.
“With these decreases, we are still in the average salary range in the area,” said Superintendent Greg Rasmussen, adding that district officials are being vigilant long-term. “These are the kinds of things that can’t go on forever.”
SO, WE CAN ASSUME, BY RASMUSSENS'S STATEMENT, THAT MIDDLETOWN TEACHER'S WERE BEING PAID A LITTLE MORE THAN THE AVERAGE SALARIES FOR THE AREA, WHILE THE PERFORMANCE HAS NOT IMPROVED BEYOND CI, THE INDICATORS HAVE NOT IMPROVED BEYOND 5 OF 30 AND THE DISTRICT IS STILL 580th OR SO OUT OF 612 SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN RANKING. IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT MONEY IS THE MOTIVATOR TOWARD DOING A BETTER JOB AND, LIKE BUILDING NEW SCHOOLS TO ENHANCE PERFORMANCE, THROWING MONEY AT A PROBLEM DOESN'T SOLVE IT EVERYTIME.
So far, the district has cut more than 30 staff positions, closed a middle school and converted an elementary school into a sixth-grade building. In addition, more than 50 teachers, administrators and other staff have accepted an early retirement incentive offer.
HOW MANY HAVE THEY CUT AND RE-ASSIGNED TO OTHER POSITIONS? HOW MANY HAVE THEY HIRED THROUGH THE BACK DOOR THAT HAVEN'T BEEN REPORTED BY THE JOURNAL? HOW MANY DUPLICATIONS OF JOB DUTIES ARE OCCURRING IN THE DISTRICT?
SB 5 would reduce collective bargaining rights and eliminate seniority-based pay increases, among other items.
The measure would not to take effect until an existing contract expires, so Middletown’s new deal will delay SB 5’s impact for three years.
HOW CONVENIENT.
The contract is expected to be finalized in the latter part of June, according to Debbie Alberico, the district’s communications specialist.
“This is a unique situation,” Alberico said. “Our employees understand the economy is down right now and they’re willing to do whatever they have to do to keep our students whole.”
Alberico said the long-term savings will help the district maintain best practices for students, such as keeping class sizes down.
She said it was unclear at this point whether the savings may offset any future position cuts.
ALBERICO HAS SPOKEN. NOW, GIVE HER HER $98,000 PAYCHECK FOR THE GOOD WORK HERE. COULDN'T RASMUSSEN HAVE SAID THIS AND ELIMINATED ALBERICO'S SALARY? THIS IS A TREMENDOUS WASTE OF MONEY TO HAVE THIS POSITION.
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Posted By: middletownscouter
Date Posted: Jun 03 2011 at 9:18am
Subtract about $30k from Alberico's salary and you'd be more accurate, Vet. A quick search at the Buckeye Institute's website shows in 2010 she made $66,127.
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Posted By: swohio75
Date Posted: Jun 03 2011 at 9:42am
^^^^
Which I'll add is not uncommon for an experience communications/community relations professional in the prviate sector.
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Posted By: jsmith2011
Date Posted: Jun 03 2011 at 9:51am
I think Vet has a more accurate amount of Debbie Alberico's salary when you add in all the benefits that go along with that position: mileage, she has an Iphone the district pays for, computer/Ipad the district paid for, health insurance, dental insurance, eye insurance, life insurance, retirement benefits, sick and vacation days and who knows what else.
Let's see after June 30th, which is the reduction in force date for employees, I'll bet Debbie will still be there.
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Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: Jun 03 2011 at 9:52am
swOH: Get real- in the private sector there would be one spokeman for a Fortune 500 company making $Bb in revenue, not every damn district in the state having a mouthpiece. The President's communications spokes person under Bush made about $94,000. You are missing the point: take this needless position which has gone away, but district trying to bring her back in a 'new and improved' capacity and you multiply that role times how many districts? Needless overhead.
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Posted By: John Beagle
Date Posted: Jun 03 2011 at 11:29am
The teachers association voted to accept a new 3-year contract which will decrease their salaries by 1 percent the first two years. During the third year, salaries will be frozen.
The new contract is expected to save the district more than $4 million over the next three years.
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jun 03 2011 at 3:42pm
C'mon swohio75! Good Lord! The woman says two or three lines every other month in the newspaper, is paid over $60 grand (ok- $98 thou with bennies and perks) a year to do so and you have the audacity to make her title appear to be something worthy of that amount with your "experienced communications/community relations professional"...... Face it, she's nothing more than a glorified, overpaid speaker, reading from a scripted sheet of paper and reading what she is told to read. Professional? Hardly. No special skill needed here but the skill to read simple words. You are over dramatizing the position and it's importance....not to mention she gets paid more than skilled people in various disciplines who produce meaningful results that actually matter.
$66,127 is still too much for what the position appears to contribute, middletownscouter.
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Posted By: middletownscouter
Date Posted: Jun 03 2011 at 4:34pm
I wasn't arguing whether it was or wasn't an acceptable salary level, merely that you were overstating the salary by about 50%.
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Posted By: Marcia Andrew
Date Posted: Jun 03 2011 at 5:48pm
Good lord, how dead does the horse have to be, before you stop beating it? We announced months ago that Ms. Alberico's position was being eliminated as of the end of this school year (June 30), and her duties (which I have previously described on this site and which are composed of much more than you acknowledge) will be assigned to the remaining central office administrators. She has not been hired back for another position.
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Posted By: Smartman
Date Posted: Jun 03 2011 at 5:52pm
Amen Marcia!!
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Posted By: Neil Barille
Date Posted: Jun 03 2011 at 7:51pm
Sounds like a respectable contract, in light of the other 3 year deals I've read about in other districts.
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Posted By: LMAO
Date Posted: Jun 03 2011 at 9:08pm
Can save even more money if the BOE would take a cut in pay.
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Posted By: TonyB
Date Posted: Jun 04 2011 at 1:48pm
Vet, thanks for the post and giving me a shout out. I understand what your problem is with union representation. What you continue to say is that the free ride for public employees is over and I continue to point out that they didn't have a free ride. They spent years in school to qualify for the positions they got and have to spend more money for continuing their education and qualifications. What you continue to miss is that unions raise the bar for all employees. The advances that unions make do translate into the private sector. What you fail to grasp or simply won't acknowledge is that the wealthy owners of this country have private and public sector employees fighting for scraps while they enjoy unprecedented growth in their bottom line. While we bitch and moan that someone else has it better that me, that "better" gets smaller and smaller. It won't be long until this country is hit with a depression that will make the 30's look look like a small bump. When that happens, this dispute will seem very small. If you haven't caught on, the only people taking cuts in pay are the people who do the WORK!!! You don't see CEO's pay decreasing. As for the spokesperson job at MCSD, I'm in communications and I'd love to have a job like that!!! It's a good job if you can get it.
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Posted By: Smartman
Date Posted: Jun 04 2011 at 5:17pm
Very well said Tony B. I work in the public sector and I have had to take a $12000 yr cut due to lost bonuses. Dont get me wrong I did not plan to live on those,it was extras, but it has caused me to change what I do so I can pay my daughters tuition at college this coming year.
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jun 04 2011 at 6:40pm
TonyB....
"What you continue to say is that the free ride for public employees is over and I continue to point out that they didn't have a free ride".
IT IS A FACT THAT IN THE PAST, UNION MEMBERS HAVE RECEIVED HIGHER PAY AND HAVE HAD MORE OF THEIR BENEFITS PAID FOR BY THE COMPANY THAN NON-UNION PEOPLE. WHEN MAKING THIS COMPARISON, YES, THE UNION PEOPLE HAVE HAD SORT OF A FREE RIDE BECAUSE THEY HAVE ENJOYED MORE PAY AND PAID-FOR BENEFITS.
"They spent years in school to qualify for the positions they got and have to spend more money for continuing their education and qualifications."
WHAT? AND NON-UNION PEOPLE HAVE NOT SPENT YEARS IN SCHOOL TO QUALIFY FOR THE POSITIONS THEY GOT AND HAVE TO SPEND MORE MONEY FOR CONTINUING THEIR EDUCATIONS TO WORK THEIR WAY UP THE LADDER? OF COURSE THEY DO TONY. BOTH SECTORS MUST DO THIS TO GIVE THEMSELVES MORE OF A CHANGE FOR A PROMOTION.
"What you continue to miss is that unions raise the bar for all employees. The advances that unions make do translate into the private sector".
IF THOSE SO-CALLED ADVANCES THAT UNIONS PROVIDE FOR ALL WORKERS IS TRUE, WHY, AFTER ALL THESE YEARS IS THE NON-UNION COMPANY WORKER MAKING A GOOD $10-15 LESS PER HOUR THAN THE UNION WORKER? WHY ARE MOST JOBS OFFERED BY EMPLOYERS NOWADAYS IN THE $7 TO $10 PER HOUR RANGE AND NO BENEFITS OFFERED? WHY HAS THE NON-UNION WORKER BEEN ASKED FOR THE LAST 5 YEARS TO PAY MORE OUT THE PAYCHECK TO HELP THE EMPLOYER PAY THE BENEFIT PREMIUMS AND THE UNION PEOPLE ARE JUST NOW BEING ASKED TO DO THE SAME THING?
"If you haven't caught on, the only people taking cuts in pay are the people who do the WORK"!!!
TONY....I'VE CAUGHT ON. I'M INCLUDED IN THE WORKING CLASS IN THE ORGANIZATION. FOR OVER 40 YEARS I HAVE "CAUGHT ON" ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE WORKPLACE. NOT A ROOKIE HERE.
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Posted By: Smartman
Date Posted: Jun 04 2011 at 6:48pm
Correction I work in the private sector!
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Posted By: TonyB
Date Posted: Jun 04 2011 at 9:49pm
Vet, The non-union worker makes less because he doesn't have the clout that organizing provides!!! That's why employers will fire anyone who even talks about organizing!!! The non-union worker has indeed benefitted from union bargaining with better pay (although not at union scale) and benefits such as health care and retirement options. Do you think any employer would offer these things if they had an option? I did not say anything about non-union workers not having to educate themselves for their job. I pointed out that it is REQUIRED for teachers to have a degree in Education. I've held private sector jobs because I had a degree even though my degree was in no way related to the job; that doesn't happen in the education field. By the way, the union people are being asked to pay more because unions have been abandoned by the Democratic Party so there is no political cover for unions. Look at all the Republican union busting going on around the Midwest where private sector unions such as the UAW have lost the support of the Democrats. Unions used to have the clout to get good pay and benefit packages. I just don't understand the concept of cheering while workers rights are abused and hard-won benefits are taken by greedy corporations and public workers are demonized for all the ills of government. Taxes are at the lowest point at the Federal level since before the last depression. Government spends money at times very foolishly which is why you see such a backlash about taxes but the reality simply doesn't match the facts. The Bush tax cuts are in their 10th year; WHERE ARE THE JOBS!!!
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Posted By: Marcia Andrew
Date Posted: Jun 06 2011 at 9:48am
LMAO, in response to comments about the agreement reached with the teachers union, which will save about $4 million over 3 years, you state, "Can save even more money if the BOE would take a cut in pay."
Members of the Board of Education are paid $125 for each official public meeting of the board which we attend. We are not paid for preparation time (reading materials, asking questions, etc), for meetings of board committees, for attending public functions in a ceremonial or public outreach role, for responding to phone calls and emails from parents and community members, or anything else. In my 6 years on the board, this has ranged between $3000 to $4500 per year, before taxes. We do not receive any employee benefits. There are 5 board members, so the total pay for the 5 BOE members is between $15,000 to $22,500 per year. Whether or not that is too high or too low, changing it won't make any real difference to the $70 million budget.
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Posted By: LMAO
Date Posted: Jun 06 2011 at 1:08pm
Ms Andrew,Every little bit helps.We taxpayers pay a hell of alot more.Everytime the district wants more you come with your hands out. Be understandable if we actually seen progress in the district. Teachers are taking a cut why not donate your $125 back to the district? Remember its for the kids?
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Posted By: jsmith2011
Date Posted: Jun 06 2011 at 1:53pm
I find Mrs. Andrews remarks about the board and their salary truly astonishing. When the board was letting the aides, hall monitors and library managers go, after some having as much as 27 years with the school district, every little bit counted then and it was referred to as "trimming the fat". Some of those employees made that much in a year and someone's job could have been saved. When it's the school board, it won't make a real difference?
What about the other costs of the board meetings? Paying people to set up the sound and to prepare the rooms at the different schools? Isn't it true at your meetings you have lunch or dinner brought in? I'm sure you are all paid mileage to go to and from your meetings. What other costs are involved?
No wonder people continue to "beat a dead horse". You can't believe anything you hear. The facts are changed each time.
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Posted By: Neil Barille
Date Posted: Jun 06 2011 at 2:25pm
You're really going to make an issue of a few thousand dollars for all the time the BOE members put in? Really? So if ALL of them skipped these payments the MCSD could save, what, ONE hall monitor?
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jun 06 2011 at 3:09pm
[QUOTE=Marcia Andrew] LMAO, in response to comments about the agreement reached with the teachers union, which will save about $4 million over 3 years, you state, "Can save even more money if the BOE would take a cut in pay."
Man, I misread the message from LMAO on that one. Ms. Andrew didn't notice the after LMAO's message as if to imply (in a joking fashion) that he was aware the amount wasn't alot and the savings would be nominal. I wonder if the message was taken as written (joking) by Ms. Andrew? Does appear she took it in a serious nature with her defensive posture. The savings pertaining to the school board giving up pay is minimal in the overall scheme of things, isn't it? Need to attack the admin. positions/re-evaluate the job duties for actual need in the entire organization to really make a dent in the old budget, don't we Ms. Andrew? Why aren't we cutting more assistants (primarily principals) in the schools? Has the school board gotten a breakout of all the positions and are sure the super has made as many cuts as possible? Surely there must be some overlap and duplication in areas. No areas where there could be some shared duties while eliminating some more positions? Have you cut to the bare bone or is there still some excess?
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Posted By: jsmith2011
Date Posted: Jun 06 2011 at 4:28pm
My issue isn't what the board gets paid or how much time they put in or don't put in.....my issue is that no matter what the question, the answer is never the same.....and if it is, you can't believe it anyway.
Also, go talk to that one hall monitor or one aide or one library manager who are now filing for unemployment....
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Posted By: jsmith2011
Date Posted: Jun 06 2011 at 4:32pm
Vet....I believe all the information you asked is available to us through the Freedom of Information Act. I will take it upon myself to go to the board office, research each job description and salary for each employee starting with the superintendent down to the assistant principals (although I think they now have other positions) and post it on here. I would also like to see the contracts and salaries of the administrators from this past school year and their salary for next school year. All the teachers are taking a 1% cut and have been told it will be across the board. Wanna bet?
Give me a few months (or before the next levy in 2012).
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Posted By: cmason54
Date Posted: Jun 06 2011 at 10:40pm
Mrs. Andrews and Mr. Barille - I am one of the library managers who lost her job after 15 years with Middletown City Schools. I didn't make much money, less than $30,000.00 a year but I loved my job and I loved those kids. I went above and beyond, as did all the library managers who were let go. We all did the jobs of certified librarians who make over $60,000.00 a year.
When we were all laid off, I personally wrote a letter to the superintendent and the school board members and Mrs. Andrews wrote me back and told me that every penny counted towards "trimming the fat" so I should quit complaining about losing my job, not take it personally and move on. So, I personally take offense to her comments that the amount the board is paid won't make a difference especially when I had to apply for unemployment today.
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Posted By: Marcia Andrew
Date Posted: Jun 07 2011 at 2:17pm
Mark this down, I am actually agreeing with Vet on something! As he put it, my point was that any savings pertaining to school board giving up pay is minimal in the overall scheme of things. The "overall scheme of things" is that the district will save $5 million per year due to the restructuring involving Verity and Highview and related cuts announced several months ago, and another $4 million (over 3 years) as a result of the agreement reached with the teachers. Even if the board gave up 100% of its pay, that approximately $20,000 total per year would not be enough to hire back even one hall monitor or library manager, especially when you add in the cost to the district of an employee's retirement and health care benefits. If we cut our pay 1% or even 10%, those numbers are even less signifcant ($150 -- $2250 for the whole board). That is entirely consistent with the fact that eliminating the positions of library managers, plus some assistant principals, directors, custodians, secretaries and other employees, 64.5 in total, does add up to significant dollars.
Vet is also correct that I missed the humor in LMAO's post, if it was so intended.
Yes, JSmith, it costs some money (not much) to set up sound and whatnot for the board meetings. Would you rather we meet in private, like City Council? No, board members are not reimbursed mileage for driving to and from meetings. No, we don't have meals brought in for meetings, except in rare situations where we are meeting for an extended period of time including meal time.
Yes, all non-union employees of the district will take the same pay cuts and increased benefits costs that the teachers agreed to. That was announced at last night's board meeting.
Finally, while I will not rehash the issue of RIF'ing library managers (which I have posted about in another thread), I have never said that by cutting library managers we were "trimming the fat." In fact, I have explained both publicly and privately that the board and administration believe that the cuts that were made this year were all cutting to the bone, cutting employees that were valuable to the district --any fat had already been cut in prior years. Regardless, difficult decisions still had to be made, and the district will have to find ways to get the job done with the remaining staff --reorganizing job duties, restructuring the way things are done in the buildings, relying more on volunteers, etc.
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jun 07 2011 at 3:48pm
Well alright Ms. Andrew!!! I knew with a little prodding, you would see it my way. Kinda of a satisfying feeling knowing you are on the winning side, right?
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