Nelson & Associates
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Topic: Nelson & Associates
Posted By: randy
Subject: Nelson & Associates
Date Posted: Sep 24 2010 at 2:28pm
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The new over seers of Middletown's Section 8 is Nelson & Associates I found there web site and here is a link to it. I am pretty sure that this is the same group. I am unsure if there is in connection to Sam Nelson or not.
But have a look at there site and you be the judge.
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Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Sep 24 2010 at 5:40pm
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Randy I believe that is the correct web site. The CEO of this company is Ramona Nelson. As you can see from their site Middletown Section 8 would have its own web site to interact with both tenants and landlords and track all funds. I guess this is what Mr. Adkins has wanted all along..push a button and receive all the ino you need.
But who will be the boots on the ground here in Middletown? More jobs at City Hall? |
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Sep 24 2010 at 5:45pm
| So Vivian what you are saying is that if City Hall Hires Nelson & Associates to Administer the Section 8 Program that the city is going to hire employees to do Nelson's job......hmmmmmmm scratching my head on that one. |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Sep 24 2010 at 5:57pm
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No Pacman What I'm saying is that this is a huge account to manage.We have not seen the contract so we really don't know what this company will or will not supply.
If there is a problem at one of the properties who will furnish the boots on the ground to visit the properties and solve the problem?
Will Nelson open an office here in Middletown or will it all be handled online? Maybe Randy can call Mr. Adkins and tell us how this new company will operate this program. |
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Sep 24 2010 at 6:50pm
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I am sure the contract will most likely mirror Consoc's with some changes and that Nelson will be responsible for hiring of local individuals to maintain some type of local office. I also understand they have used TIG in the past for inspections. This is an item that is 6-7 months down the road I am sure we will have the details over the next few months. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it until the 1st of the new year anyways.
I was being facetious earlier.
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Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: Sep 25 2010 at 6:44am
| What will the city do next if this company does not produce to their standards. I personally feel that not all of the blame is Consoc. I think that the city management set Consoc up for failure on this contract as it was very evident that city mangement did not want them in there. |
Posted By: Nick_Kidd
Date Posted: Sep 25 2010 at 10:28am
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Bobbie, I think you are correct. I was at the meeting Tuesday and I thought that Adkins and Landen acted like five-year-old spoiled brats. I kept expecting them to fall down on the floor and start screaming and stomping their feet until council rubber stamped their foolish plan to get rid of Consoc. I am not a big fan of Consoc, but breaking a contract must be done the right way, not just on a whim. I noticed that they wanted council (as the public housing committee) to sign off on their proposal, so as to deflect responsibility from themselves and Judy. I wonder if the six council members, that voted for the new proposal, know what might happen. When Les Landen left to write a new proposal and came back with a proposal dated the first week of June and with the same number as the old proposal, something did not smell right. How could the new proposal simple replace the old proposal as for as number and date and previous discussions? ------------- Government is not the answer to problems, government is the problem. |
Posted By: Nelson...Himself
Date Posted: Sep 25 2010 at 1:05pm
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What..direct..experience..does..Nelson..&..Associates..have..administering..HUD..Housing
..Choice..Voucher..(HCV)..programs..anywhere?
Marty..Kohler..and..Miss..Judy..know..the..answer..from..as..far..back..as..January..2008.
Has..anything..changed...with..Nelson..&..Associates..in..the..past..20..months?
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Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Sep 25 2010 at 6:13pm
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Thanks Nelson |
Posted By: Mtown
Date Posted: Sep 28 2010 at 2:56pm
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Vivian...
What in the world causes you to make the statement that Consoc is "the most qualified company in Ohio." |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Sep 29 2010 at 7:37am
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Mtown
Then please tell me who you think is more qualitified?
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Posted By: Mtown
Date Posted: Sep 29 2010 at 8:48am
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Vivian
You are the one that stated Consoc is the "most qualified". Support your statement with facts please. |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Sep 29 2010 at 9:52am
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Mtown
Maybe you need to do your own research.
Where are your facts and research that I'm wrong? As Ms Anita Scott Jones would say "I've done my homework"  |
Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Sep 29 2010 at 10:21am
Vivian he didn't say you were wrong. He asked for your reasons why you made the statement you did.
I would be interested also in why they are the best for Middletown and also why this great concern for who runs the Section 8 Program?
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Mtown wrote:Posted By: Mtown
Date Posted: Sep 29 2010 at 1:43pm
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Vivian:
I think it is great that people get engaged in what going on in our community through MiddletownUSA or whatever means works for them. It just seems to me after reading the posts and comments on MIddletownUSA that several people make very generalized claims or statements and fail to provide facts to backup what they post. Again.....what makes you claim that "Consoc is the most qualified"? You said it not me. Also because Ms. Jones said you get your fact right doesn't make it so. |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Sep 29 2010 at 1:59pm
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I don’t have time today to get into the CONSO story however I will tell you that I believe we are now headed in the wrong direction…I believe it now time to empty City Hall and turn this entire Section 8 program over to Butler County. |
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Sep 29 2010 at 7:53pm
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Vivian why would HUD have anything to say over the City terminating it's contract with CONSOC? The administrative contract is between the City and CONSOC, not HUD and CONSOC.
Since you now feel that the whole Section 8 mess should be turned over to Butler County, why are you so concerned about CONSOC. Butler County has had it's own issues in the past. I haven't looked at them lately. Also you have the fact that HUD is basically refusing to move the Vouchers out of Middletown.
I personally think, and this is my own opinion from my observations over the last 7 years, that it is time for CONSOC to go.
1) Consoc has been mixed up with the City Officials that were behind the run up of the vouchers.
2) Consoc has been flying under the radar in Middletown for most of the last 7 years surfacing at Council meetings here and there to protect its turf and $$$$$. There has been little scrutiny of CONSOC except for the last 2 years.
3) The Middletown Housing Authority did not meet publicly until the last year. So for what 15 or so years Consoc has been under the radar most of the time.
4) My observation of Mr. Adkins is that he is a "cross your T's and dot you I's" type of administrate and Consoc is not fitting in with that type of Leadership.
5) Consoc is to use to doing their own thing when it comes to the Management of the Section 8 program and the new Admin is stifling their operation, the way they want to do it.
6) Their bid for the Contract came in at about $200K higher than anyone else. Now this was brought up by a few people when it happened and not much was said about it. But you guys on here are hollering and screaming when the city buys a home and spends $20K to rehab it and then we have the Council hiring a group that is $200k higher than anyone else and that is fine. I don't get that one.
I think it is time for Consoc to move on and for the City to move ahead with a new company administering the program under Mr. Adkin's watchful eye.
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Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Sep 30 2010 at 3:26pm
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Vivian why would HUD have anything to say over the City terminating its contract with CONSOC? I personally think, and this is my own opinion from my observations over the last 7 years, that it is time for CONSOC to go. 1) Consoc has been mixed up with the City Officials that were behind the run up of the vouchers. 2) Consoc has been flying under the radar in Middletown for most of the last 7 years surfacing at Council meetings here and there to protect its turf and $$$$$. There has been little scrutiny of CONSOC except for the last 2 years. 3) The Middletown Housing Authority did not meet publicly until the last year. So for what 15 or so years Consoc has been under the radar most of the time. So you are saying that CONSOC ran the program without any leadership from Mr. Kohler 4) My observation of Mr. Adkins is that he is a "cross your T's and dot you I's" type of administrate and Consoc is not fitting in with that type of Leadership. 5) Consoc is to use to doing their own thing when it comes to the Management of the Section 8 program and the new Admin is stifling their operation, the way they want to do it. 6) Their bid for the Contract came in at about $200K higher than anyone else. Now this was brought up by a few people when it happened and not much was said about it. But you guys on here are hollering and screaming when the city buys a home and spends $20K to rehab it and then we have the Council hiring a group that is $200k higher than anyone else and that is fine. I don't get that one. Ahh yes the $200,000…I believe that at the next housing meeting you will find that TIG is way over the projected budget because of the “No Shows”. When the City gets the new vender this money will disappear into the dark hole of City Hall never to be seen again. I think it is time for Consoc to move on and for the City to move ahead with a new company administering the program under Mr. Adkin's watchful eye |
Posted By: Mtown
Date Posted: Sep 30 2010 at 7:33pm
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MiddletownUSA....
Pundits, Nothing but armchair pundits. |
Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Sep 30 2010 at 7:53pm
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lol mtown is that the best that u can do?
Fortunately those at musa are on the sunny side of the fence
unfortunately we will have to clean up your mess after you disintegrate and are blown away
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Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Sep 30 2010 at 7:54pm
| Ah, Mtown at least we have some opinion's, whether you agree with them or not, unlike you, who seems to like to just come around and try and cause problems and has no opinion. |
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Sep 30 2010 at 8:57pm
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Vivian why would HUD have anything to say over the City terminating its contract with CONSOC? Pacman I don’t believe we have been given all the facts concerning the termination of CONSOC. At the last meeting Mr. Adkins kept referring to April communications between the City and CONSOC. The next day I requested copies of these letters and or emails and as of this date I have not received them. I have not seen the contract between the City and CONSOC however I will tell you that CONSOC can only act upon items that have been approved by City Council and HUD which is what Mrs. Joseph stated at the last meeting. (they are currently working under the OLD HUD plan). I personally think that the real problem is TIG. I still don’t understand how they can blame CONSOC for the “No Show” problem and cost over runs since TIG hasn’t performed since the day they hired them...and I’m still not understanding the bad address problem ???? Vivian,
So Far CONSOC has not been terminated. Their termination if it comes will be guided by the contract they signed and if it has a "Convenience Clause" I would think they have little recourse.
"The Termination for Convenience clause grants the Government contracting officer an extremely broad right to terminate the contractor's performance without the Government being liable for breach-of-contract damages. The clause generally limits the contractor's recovery to cost incurred plus profit on work completed, and the costs of preparing the termination settlement proposal. The clause thereby precludes the contractor from recovering anticipatory profit." I don't see what TIG has to do with a contract between CONSOC and the City. Just as I am sure the City has a contract with TIG. If TIG is not performing I am sure they will get the boot also. I understand that TIG has hired a local inspector to work Middletown exclusively.
The administrative contract is between the City and CONSOC, not HUD and CONSOC. We will see…I believe CONSOC may have a law suite against the City and I believe HUD will back CONSOC. If they are terminated using the "Convenience Clause" in the contract I would hope it spells out exactly what is expected of each party and any recourse that is possible. I again quote the above: "The Termination for Convenience clause grants the Government contracting officer an extremely broad right to terminate the contractor's performance without the Government being liable for breach-of-contract damages. The clause generally limits the contractor's recovery to cost incurred plus profit on work completed, and the costs of preparing the termination settlement proposal. The clause thereby precludes the contractor from recovering anticipatory profit."
Once again the contract is between the City and CONSOC. It should not matter to HUD who runs the program, as long as they are HUD certified.
Since you now feel that the whole Section 8 mess should be turned over to I believe that some changes may have been needed at CONSOC however now I believe we are throwing out the baby, bathwater and the tub. Just because we change vendors does not mean we will have a better program…I still believe that HUD may step in and take over this entire program. No you are right but I get the distinct impression that the City and those that have to work with CONSOC have had enough. Why would HUD take over a program that is being run by a HUD certified administrator whether it be CONSOC, Nelson & Associates or anyone else as long as the City is playing by HUD's rules? Also you have the fact that HUD is basically refusing to move the Vouchers out of I believe HUD is on board as long as it its within their guidelines. Seems that Parma got the system to work for them. It may have to be tweaked here and there, but that is just part of dealing with any Government Agency, especially one like HUD.
I personally think, and this is my own opinion from my observations over the last 7 years, that it is time for CONSOC to go. 1) Consoc has been mixed up with the City Officials that were behind the run up of the vouchers. Yes and Consoc went right along with it raising no red flags.
2) Consoc has been flying under the radar in Middletown for most of the last 7 years surfacing at Council meetings here and there to protect its turf and $$$$$. There has been little scrutiny of CONSOC except for the last 2 years. I just did a search for news articles concerning HUD Section 8, 21000 articles came up the first 35 pages were all in the month of Sept. 2010 I stopped looking after that. If that is their idea of operating under the radar they are a massive failure. I don't think it is a points contest between HUD and the City. On the Cities part it is about doing what is best for th city overall, which HUD could care less about.
3) The Middletown Housing Authority did not meet publicly until the last year. So for what 15 or so years Consoc has been under the radar most of the time. So you are saying that CONSOC ran the program without any leadership from Mr. Kohler I think Consoc may have had little supervision over the that time frame yes. The City may have been hiding the facts but CONSOC played right along with them in that matter. 4) My observation of Mr. Adkins is that he is a "cross your T's and dot you I's" type of administrate and Consoc is not fitting in with that type of Leadership. 5) Consoc is to use to doing their own thing when it comes to the Management of the Section 8 program and the new Admin is stifling their operation, the way they want to do it. 6) Their bid for the Contract came in at about $200K higher than anyone else. Now this was brought up by a few people when it happened and not much was said about it. But you guys on here are hollering and screaming when the city buys a home and spends $20K to rehab it and then we have the Council hiring a group that is $200k higher than anyone else and that is fine. I don't get that one. Ahh yes the $200,000…I believe that at the next housing meeting you will find that TIG is way over the projected budget because of the “No Shows”. When the City gets the new vender this money will disappear into the dark hole of City Hall never to be seen again. TIG may be over budget, this has little to do with the CONSOC contract. Are you saying that the City, Consoc and TIG are all governed under one contract? If so that is news to me.
I think it is time for Consoc to move on and for the City to move ahead with a new company administering the program under Mr. Adkin's watchful eye |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Oct 01 2010 at 4:54am
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I believe HUD is on board as long as it its within their guidelines. Seems that Parma got the system to work for them. It may have to be tweaked here and there, but that is just part of dealing with any Government Agency, especially one like HUD...Pacman
SECTION 8 ANALYSIS REPORT: HUD's next point was that if we operated our program similar to the Parma program, we would keep all vouchers active, provide service to over 1600 low income families, be compliant with HUD program requirements, retain administrative income from the vouchers, execute the Master Plan objectives, and still achieve the reduction of vouchers within the City that we seek.HUD RESPONSE: HUD's discussion about |
Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Oct 01 2010 at 9:17am
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Vivian,
Didn't Adkins say after reading the HUD response that he would have to make some changes. One of those changes having to do with the Lead Based Paint Inspection.
"if we operated our program similar to the Parma program, we would keep all vouchers active, provide service to over 1600 low income families, be compliant with HUD program requirements, retain administrative income from the vouchers, execute the Master Plan objectives, and still achieve the reduction of vouchers within the City that we seek."
Just sticking in my two cents worth here.
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Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Oct 01 2010 at 3:51pm
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Didn't Adkins say after reading the HUD response that he would have to make some changes. One of those changes having to do with the Lead Based Paint Inspection.
Yes however we still do not know what type od inspections Mr. Adkins will require...guess we will need to wait and see. The problem with the Parma plan is that the areas around us DO NOT want our Section 8 problem . |
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Oct 02 2010 at 12:58pm
Why is the type of Inspection that Mr. Adkins would require important to the overall issue of reducing the number of Section 8 Voucher holders living in Middletown, as long at it meets or exceeds HUD's Specs?
Also, I would hope that Middletown would open the area that the Voucher Holders would be able to live in to include Butler and Warren County, if they can. It is not up to an area or city government whether they want to accept Section 8 Vouchers. It is up to the owner of the house/Apt. whether they want to rent to a Section 8 Voucher Holder and can meet HUD's Specs..
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Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Oct 09 2010 at 1:09pm
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Pacman Just for the record…I received the April-May communications between the City and CONSOC and they are an interesting read. However….I have more questions now than I had before. I can’t wait to hear TIG’s side of this story at the next meeting. |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Oct 09 2010 at 1:30pm
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What will the city do next if this company does not produce to their standards. I personally feel that not all of the blame is Consoc. I think that the city management set Consoc up for failure on this contract as it was very evident that city mangement did not want them in there....Bobbie
Bobbie this could become a total nighmare because this program needs to be a seamless transfer of a huge amount of information. Are these system programs already in use by Nelson & Nelson? Does Nelson & Nelson have the personel on staff to handle the transfer this amount of information? It is my understanding that Nelson & Nelson has even fewer employees than CONSOC. Yes I also believe that the City set CONSOC up for failure... |
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Oct 09 2010 at 7:10pm
Vivian you are over doing it again.
Lets say that Consoc reached the end of its contract and they re-bid it again and they lost and Nelson & Associates or any other company for that matter gets the contract to manage Middletown's Section 8 program.
By your assumption above the transfer can not be made because there is to much info and it is just impossible for anyone other than Consoc to do the job. Come on, lets be a little more realistic here. PHA managers change regularly and they are not the disasters you claim. Could there be bumps in the road sure but the change over can occur and will. Now what is the difference if Consoc is terminated or they lose the contract to another management company?
Nelson & Associates is a Cincinnati based company and has 20 employees. They manage property from Florida to Cleveland. They have been in business since 1987.
Was Consoc setup to fail, the fact you state that is your own personal opinion and personally I don't think that Consoc was prepared to work for a gentleman such as Mr. Adkins who strikes me as a person who basically sets the ground rules and expects them to be followed.
Also I am in no way related to any of these companies and I don't care who runs the program, but I do believe it is time for Consoc to go and the sooner the better and they should have never been given the contract in the first place.
And for Nelson.....Himself this is a copy of the Landlord file that I received in Feb. 2009 from Consoc and I was in error instead of 500 pages it is 595 pages basically listing one landlord per page, as according to Consoc that is all they had. Long way from the Excel files you say was available in 2007-2008, or maybe the citizens are just special and get the easy file to work with, all 595 pages. It sure discourages you from printing it out.
http://www.4shared.com/document/h3z-2J93/SECTION_8_Landlords.html - http://www.4shared.com/document/h3z-2J93/SECTION_8_Landlords.html
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Posted By: angelababy
Date Posted: Oct 18 2010 at 10:20pm
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I also understand they have used TIG in the past for inspections. This
is an item that is 6-7 months down the road I am sure we will have the
details over the next few months. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it
until the 1st of the new year anyways.
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