Revelos Bldg. Demo
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Topic: Revelos Bldg. Demo
Posted By: 409
Subject: Revelos Bldg. Demo
Date Posted: Sep 22 2010 at 6:35pm
Demo began today on the Revelos Building.
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Posted By: SupportMiddletown
Date Posted: Sep 22 2010 at 10:47pm
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Posted By: Dead man walkin'
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 2:13am
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If this is such a crying shame, why didn't your pals on the Historic Commission stop it? They have the authority to do so.
The truth is, it's all about money in their pockets and has very little to do with history and this is a great example. ------------- "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil" (Psalm 23) |
Posted By: Wots
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 8:05pm
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What was the orginal use of the Revelos Bldg? And thru the years?Thanks ------------- Wots Liberalism: Moochers Electing Looters to Steal from Producers. |
Posted By: SupportMiddletown
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 10:30pm
The Revelos Building is NOT in one of the historic districts. They have no control. Move on, sir. ------------- |
Dead man walkin' wrote:Posted By: 409
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 11:14pm
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Posted By: swohio75
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 11:37pm
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^^^^^^^^
Look at that detail. I wonder if it could have been salvaged and re-used in the restoration of another building. |
Posted By: 409
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 11:39pm
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The left and right sides of the building appear to have been built at different times.
Notice the difference in the brick and also the Revelos signs at the top.
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Posted By: Dead man walkin'
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 11:51pm
You,sir, should shut up until you know about what you are talking about. Dolt. ------------- "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil" (Psalm 23) |
Posted By: Rhodes
Date Posted: Sep 23 2010 at 11:56pm
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I agree with dead man, if the city is so worried about historic "style" then why in the world did they allow this building to be torn down? I mean, it's right next to the future "WELCOME" sign to Middletown once the train depot is back in operation. Yes, sarcasm.
Just to show how ridiculous the city leaders are, they tear down a gas station to "improve" the area, yet they allow Duncan Oil to tear down historic buildings to build some big ugly gas station/convenient store right next to where the old eyesore was. Can anyone tell me where Duncan Oil has ever built a nice gas station before? |
Posted By: swohio75
Date Posted: Sep 24 2010 at 12:00am
Nice observation! Notice too, the yellow brick on the left side. Perhaps a former common wall of an old neighbor no longer around? Or the replacement of a common wall that was destroyed when that old neighbor came down.. |
Posted By: SupportMiddletown
Date Posted: Sep 24 2010 at 12:00am
Yes, they should have absolutely attempted to salvage interior materials. It would have likely been possible for someone to come in and pay the city a little money to remove them, depending on how much was contained. ------------- |
Posted By: SupportMiddletown
Date Posted: Sep 24 2010 at 12:08am
It is you who should read the law...discover that it ONLY PERTAINS to the historic districts (South Main and the Highlands). Or, you can just read the second paragraph in the MJ article: http://www.middletownjournal.com/news/middletown-news/does-historic-preservation-commission-have-too-much-power--903290.html - http://www.middletownjournal.com/news/middletown-news/does-historic-preservation-commission-have-too-much-power--903290.html ------------- |
Posted By: Dead man walkin'
Date Posted: Sep 24 2010 at 12:12am
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The demolition of this building is absolutely in violation of new ordinance 1210. Financial reasons are no excuse, that is right in the law. Read it! And the entire area IS in the enlarged historic district that goes all the way to the tracks and includes the train station.
The fact is that it doesn't affect their neighborhoods or put any money in their pockets so they couldn't care less about history, and THIS PROVES IT! Those crooks are nothing but hypocrites out looking for easy money and ways to protect their own property values at public expense. ------------- "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil" (Psalm 23) |
Posted By: SupportMiddletown
Date Posted: Sep 24 2010 at 12:14am
I agree and find the entire plan to build a gas station over an entire city block at the entrance to downtown to be disappointing.
My take is that the city has targeted areas that it is promoting historic preservation, namely the two historic districts and the core of downtown between Verity and Main Street. ------------- |
Posted By: SupportMiddletown
Date Posted: Sep 24 2010 at 12:23am
I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I believe the new ordiance only applies to city designated historic districts and landmarks. The urban design zoning that covers downtown along Central Avenue (which is what I think you are referring to) is not a historic district.
I'm not arguing if the demolition would or would not be permitted under the ordinance, I am simply arguing that the building is not eligible for the historic commission's consideration as it is not in a historic district or a designated landmark. ------------- |
Posted By: Dead man walkin'
Date Posted: Sep 24 2010 at 12:32am
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1210.03 HISTORIC COMMISSION (e) General Powers and Duties. The Historic Commission shall have the following powers and duties, in addition to those otherwise specified: (1) The Historic Commission shall conduct a continuous survey of all areas, places, structures, works of art, or similar objects in the City which the Commission has reason to believe are or will be eligible for designation as historic sites, landmarks or districts. (7) Its unique location or singular physical characteristic representing an established and familiar feature of the City... Didn't you just mention several " physical characteristics representing established and familiar features" of an historic and unique nature in your previous pity party posts in this thread? ------------- "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil" (Psalm 23) |
Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Sep 24 2010 at 9:25am
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Duncan couldn't pull it off at their prior location at Manchester and Charles, but was able to parlay that junk property into this prime parcel(at our expense--I believe the city has between 1.5 and 2 mill $$ in this project so far with nothing to show for it). So--now our ED Dept. has created two new super-center service station/convenience stores in the old downtown area(still with no other businesses or jobs) and is still begging for a super market(dream on--duh). So--how will this new glut of convenience retail affect Mid-Town Drive-Thru, Rite Aid, D's Market, Casablanca Market, NYC Market and my business? Any impact studies or visits? None my way. I gues we will trade off new low-end jobs for lost jobs in that area.
Duncan asked me to take over their last project--I turned them down because I would have been competing with myself. If Kasich is elected gov.(good possibility), he says that the proposed rail system will be immediately canned.
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Posted By: viper771
Date Posted: Sep 24 2010 at 3:59pm
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I would have definately paied the city money to salvage what I could out of that building to help with the restoration of my house.The city could make some extra money and I would be able to save some history while I was at it. I was actually looking for tin ceiling like that!! :(
That Bundy building that was next door looked really cool. I wish it was still around. |
Posted By: nezitiC nwotelddiM
Date Posted: Sep 24 2010 at 7:05pm
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I know for a fact that this project is definitely under $600,000. Not that it is a good price to pay but it isn't our job to make up unknown figures. Here is how I see it: 1. They eliminated a congested property. (High Accident Area) 2. That eyesore office outfitters is no longer standing. A business is more likely to buy vacant land. 3. If the rail does come through we will now be eligible for a stop, having Office Outfitters for parking.( If tax dollars are going to be wasted on a rail anyway I feel our city should definitely be included.) 4. This project will raise the standard for architecture. The Rec. Center architecture was questionable. 5. Having known previous C-Store construction, I know new gas stations have a more appealing design and are more convenient. 6. The previous gas station was robbed many time and had various other issues that involved the police. As area business owners know you can not always prevent this kind of thing. I know that I will enjoy having a place to stop that feels safe and inviting. I know I don't feel welcome at the other convenience stores downtown. Do not forget that this area would have never changed any other way. No one wanted or would ever want the land the way it was. I don't recall any private investors having interest in that area? Perhaps, this is needed to help other investors feel good about future investments in downtown. |
Posted By: 409
Date Posted: Sep 24 2010 at 7:07pm
Today
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Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: Sep 24 2010 at 7:25pm
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I would love to have been able to save that old tin ceiling in this building.
That stuff is worth a small fortune and it looks great in the kitchen. ------------- No more democrats no more republicans,vote Constitution Party !! |
Posted By: viper771
Date Posted: Sep 24 2010 at 11:09pm
| I agree! I was planning on doing that in the kitchen and another small room in our house. The repro stuff isn't as detailed as the original tin. I can understand if the place had to be torn down and all...but why not salvage what we could first (for whatever cost). Now it is all going to end up at the dump and scrap yard :( |
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Sep 24 2010 at 11:32pm
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"Architecture was questionable"??? Isn't that a matter of taste??? Isn't ALL taste subjective??? Some architect somewhere must've thought it was pretty attractive, and affixed his seal--earned through years of study and proven by multiple examinations--to the plans. And YOUR degree in architecture is from where, and what is YOUR Ohio registration number???Just as with the color of a house or the type of siding materials, who is to be the judge of proper taste? Sam, Marty, or the person who plops down the money to buy the property and pays to build or remodel the structure???
If there are no restrictive covenants on the deed when the property is purchased, how can they possibly be enforced after the fact??? ------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Posted By: Rhodes
Date Posted: Sep 25 2010 at 1:22am
| Does anyone know how much was paid for these properties? I understand they were involved in a trade, but it would be interesting to find out just exactly how much the city has invested in this project and everything surrounding that outdated train depot. |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Sep 25 2010 at 8:31am
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Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Sep 25 2010 at 10:10am
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Backwards Citizen--the total land swap costs from both deals(over the last 7? years)
may well = $600,000+.
Factor in all of the man power, legal wrangling, ED time spent and the demo work, and the TOTAL taxpayer contribution subsidy to the end result of another private sector convenience store at a major clusterf**k intersection is probably much higher.
ED rants about retail glut(???), then creates 2 more convenience strore/service stations competing in the same economic desert area, where many other long-term similar entities are already struggling. And is stll wanting another market down there to serve just who? Competition an sales are hard enough to come by currently, without new city-subsidized entities added to the small over-serviced area.
Why not knock down the Sorg Mansion(too expensive to realistically re-hab, and use for ??) and develop that area into a mini mall with coffee shop, restaurant and boutique entities to service THAT area, which enters primarily mid-scale residential to better balance and serve the area?
Sorg Opera House and the Pickwick Building are in sorry shape--where are the hysterical controllers?
They also let the mansion slip badly because they want a cozy relationship with the owner. VERY expensive long-term choices.
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Posted By: SupportMiddletown
Date Posted: Sep 25 2010 at 1:52pm
Quite possibly, the design didn't appeal to any architect. It appealed to the developer who knew it would be quick, cheap, and easy to build.
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Posted By: 409
Date Posted: Sep 25 2010 at 4:17pm
It's Down!
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Posted By: viper771
Date Posted: Sep 26 2010 at 11:00am
| I didn't know there was a list! I will have to check this out. Thanks for the info. |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Sep 26 2010 at 11:46am
It's down. Yes, and now another big empty hole in the city. Nothing like wide-open spaces! Did Rausch do the demo again? If so, does this Stevie Rausch demolition company sell stock? Seem to be making alot of money just in this city alone. Did the city get a discount on the price since Rausch seems to be demolishing at a record clip? Whoops, sorry Neil Barille, asking too many questions and "outragin'" again. Dam! 
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Posted By: Mtown
Date Posted: Sep 27 2010 at 1:58pm
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spiderjohn has no idea what he is talking about. He makes up numbers and spews misinformation. Come on Steve, you can do better. ------------- |
Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Sep 27 2010 at 2:18pm
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Mtown - Can you prove his numbers are wrong? If so post it and back up your comments, if not be careful calling someone a liar. ------------- Call me for a www.CameraSecurityNow.com" rel="nofollow - www.CameraSecurityNow.com quote 513-422-1907 x357 |
Posted By: Mtown
Date Posted: Sep 27 2010 at 3:07pm
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randy so a person has to be proved wrong. spiderjohn is the one that has made up figures about the cost of City projects. Shouldn't he be responsible for backing up his claims with facts (data). Or is MiddletownUSA just a gossip column for the disgruntled. ------------- |
Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Sep 27 2010 at 3:08pm
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sorry if I posted bad info, mtown.
Since I am wrong and so far off, you must have the correct #s.
Could you please post them, going back to when this project originated, including all of the staff time($$$) involved in the planning and negotiations. The cost of the original plot of properties, the cost of the 1st/Central purchases, and the city's share of the demo and prints?
Since the "city" is not entirely up-front on their expenditures and costs associated with these type of projects, it is pretty tough to accurately assume the cost package.
Was I not approached to take over the last project?
Are you implying that I am making this up?
In no way do I want to mis-lead anyone, and would greatly appreciate seeing where I am wrong.
I was estimating the overall associated expenses honestly to the best of my ability.
I pride myself in being honest and straight-forward.
And your point in bring my full name into this?
Interesting that, once again, I am singled out by effort to identify the "name behind the name".
Do you see this as some type of intimidation to others, and hope for some type of retribution for my opinions? Is it a message to others to avoid the same?
Been there b4 mtown(I know Middletown, and you ain't Middletown).
Should I "out" a few other posters?
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Posted By: Mtown
Date Posted: Sep 27 2010 at 3:09pm
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randy
i didn't say he was a liar, i just said he makes up the information he posts. if that makes him a liar then so be it |
Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Sep 27 2010 at 4:03pm
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so--what exactly are you saying, mtown?
Please produce the hard #s to back up your statement.
Those living in and off of the ivory tower/bunker have become obsessed with this place and trying to dis-credit everyone. Paranoid? Fearful? Of what?
If there is anything that doesn't add up going on, it may well be originating in the area formerly known as downtown.
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Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Sep 27 2010 at 4:12pm
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Mtown, when you come on my site and start calling out posters by their real name I have problem with that, A big problem in fact. Would you like me to post your email address for all to see? The fact is Spider John has been a business owner in this town for over 50 years (I believe) and has employed more people in this town than most business have or will. If you have proof that he is making up numbers (and that is the same as lying) than prove it.
You come on MiddletownUSA and call one person out (by name) you bet I am going to step up and make you back up what you said. ------------- Call me for a www.CameraSecurityNow.com" rel="nofollow - www.CameraSecurityNow.com quote 513-422-1907 x357 |
Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Sep 27 2010 at 5:11pm
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So---mtown(whomever), you choose to "out" me(too late! been done already by the school admin team) and call me a liar(isn't a liar someone who INTENTIONALLY misleads ?) instead of posting the "accurate" costs associated with the Duncan Oil project that has been on-going for 7+ years(could you also verify exactly when and how the "city" became involved in this project?).
Been called a lot of things--dishonest is rarely one of them.
Should I be bothered by now having to compete with a "like" business that is also heavily subsidized by my city govt with taxpayer(MY) $$? And in an area already over-saturated with similar retail?
Bring on the REAL $$ #S from beginning to end, including all municipal manpower and legal costs associated.
If proven wrong(wasy off in my assesment), then I will gladly apologize for my guess being way off.
Are you sure that it is ME who is zooming everyone?
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Posted By: Rhodes
Date Posted: Sep 27 2010 at 7:40pm
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Mtown, since you know so much about what the numbers are, why don't you fill us all in? I'd love to know how much tax money has been involved in the shuffling of ownership of properties in the train depot area.
This whole train depot thing sounds like a scam from the start to me. There was never any chance of a stop in Middletown. If they were truly trying to "beautify" the train depot area for out-of-towners then a new mega Duncan Oil gas station would not be the way to do it. It reminds me of the time several council members flew to Vegas and bragged how some Italian restaurant (can't remember the name of it) "might" be interested in locating to Middletown because they really "talked up" how great Middletown is. Of course, it never happened. I guess those council members weren't aware of the demographic studies any company does before opening a new location. If we have council members and a mayor that do not know simple business practices like that, how can we ever expect things to improve? Or did they really know and just came up with a B.S. story so the tax payers would think they went to Vegas and really worked it instead of doing what most do in Vegas. |
Posted By: Paul Nagy
Date Posted: Sep 27 2010 at 8:57pm
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Spider,
My guess is that you won't hear much more from Mtown. He appears to be trying to take a cheap shot at you. We will see if he has anything worthwhile to back up his spouting off. I believe he will go quietly into the sunset. Don't let him discourage you.
Paul Nagy
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Posted By: TudorBrown
Date Posted: Sep 27 2010 at 9:03pm
Mike Brady University  Stick that in your pipe and smoke it! |
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Sep 30 2010 at 3:54am
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So who is that? The dad on "The Brady Bunch"???
Anything not designed by this guy is "questionable"??? That'll come as quite a shock to fans of Wren, Wright, Pei, etc., etc., ad nauseum.
PS: I don't smoke ANYTHING illegal!!! ------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Posted By: TudorBrown
Date Posted: Sep 30 2010 at 8:20pm
Will you reconsider if legalized?  |