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Topic: New Administrator of CMSPosted By: Pacman
Subject: New Administrator of CMS
Date Posted: Jul 07 2010 at 3:59pm
Dr. Berwick to be administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.
Replies: Posted By: Neil Barille
Date Posted: Jul 08 2010 at 10:20am
Some good points. If it were up to the "Wild West" conservatives in this country we wouldn't have any reform at all, the rich would get the care, scr*w everyone else, and our average life expectancy would resemble Bangladesh.
Posted By: Bocephus
Date Posted: Jul 08 2010 at 10:45am
Neil Barille wrote:
Some good points. If it were up to the "Wild West" conservatives in this country we wouldn't have any reform at all, the rich would get the care, scr*w everyone else, and our average life expectancy would resemble Bangladesh.
If you think obamacare will be good for this Country maybe you should read it all 2000+ pages and see what a hot mess it will be.The liberals in Washington must be idiots if they think that thier spending (borrowing) is going to fix our problems.
Posted By: Nelson Self
Date Posted: Jul 08 2010 at 12:04pm
Mr. Barille -
Please provide some background information on the rationale for greatly expanding HUD Housing Choice Vouchers in Middletown during your tenure as Planning Director. This is a much discussed topic so, your commentary will be greatly appreciated.
Posted By: Neil Barille
Date Posted: Jul 08 2010 at 1:17pm
Mr. Self,
After decades of systemic, racial, and cultural inequities in our society, the "Great Society" programs of LBJ ushered in an era where we finally began to address some of the unfairness. Part of this response was to increase the choices and affordability of housing options for the poor in our community. I don't see how the growth of the Section 8 program is necessarily the reason for Middletown's current situation. The tenants cannot be blamed for mistakes by previous councils, the flight of businesses in town, and the natural decay of an aging industrial city. But every group with pitchforks needs a whipping boy, so the Section 8 program has become just that. Would a 50% reduction in the program have kept AK here? Would it have made the thousands of aging houses in town any more updated or inhabited by responsible home purchasers? I don't think so.
The Bible teaches us to love thy neighbor. Government and its programs, via your taxes, are a means to help our neighbors. Judge not lest ye be judged.
Posted By: Nelson Self
Date Posted: Jul 08 2010 at 1:30pm
I wonder if the influx of HCV rental units from 2000 to 2005 had a direct, measurable negative impact on the precipitous decline of owner-occupied homes in Ward 2 and other older segments of Ward 1 ??
Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: Jul 08 2010 at 1:36pm
The Bible does teach us to love they neighbor. But I do not think that Govt programs are a means to what the Bible was saying. There is a big difference in helping your neighbor and supporting your neighbor. I believe that we should help those in need. But sometimes the best help you can give someone is by not doing anything for them and letting them stand on their own two feet.
There is no way of knowing if something different would have stopped AK - but we all know that if we did not have the vouchers that we do - our house values would not have dropped like they did. Proof of that is looking around Butler County, and you would see what area have been hit the hardest.
Posted By: Neil Barille
Date Posted: Jul 08 2010 at 2:25pm
Mr. Self,
I am not alone in wondering what traits you exhibited at work for the COM that resulted in a "direct, measurable negative impact on the precipitous decline" of your career?
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jul 08 2010 at 2:27pm
City takes its second chance at big time Steel town works at growth, diversity
MIDDLETOWN -- The city seems to be enduring a midlife crisis.
Like a person seeking to regain the vigor of youth, Middletown is grabbing hold of hundreds of "happening" acres -- boosting its ego and its image, while trying to put its life history into perspective. "Middletown is getting a second chance at life -- and that's something a lot of cities never get," said George Crout, a historian and author who has lived nearly all of his 81 years in the city.
Middletown has been known as a steel town for more than half of its 161 years of cityhood.
The American Rolling Mill Co. was founded here in 1900. Later known as Armco Inc. and now as AK Steel Corp., the company remains the city's largest employer.
Although the steel industry continues to play a vital role, Middletown is changing into something more, says Neal Barille, the city's director of development.
"We are beginning to diversify and play a role in the larger economy," Mr. Barille said. "Cities are constantly going through transitions. That's what cities do."
Tired of watching its retail businesses abandon downtown and move eastward, Middletown began a series of long, bitter battles for land near Interstate 75 and Ohio 122 -- and triumphed.
Between 1990 and 1997, this Butler County city annexed more than five additional square miles -- some of it in neighboring Warren County -- and has enjoyed the fruits of that land's explosive growth.
During that period, the city's commercial real estate values increased more than 60 percent; income tax revenues climbed 40 percent; the unemployment rate dropped nearly 4 percentage points, to about 5 percent; its population grew 15 percent, now exceeding 54,000; and its number of housing units grew nearly 18 percent.
Nevertheless, in Mr. Crout's view, city leaders and others are foolishly fixated on reviving the downtown area, when they ought to be riding the I-75 wave of development for all it's worth.
"There's no urgent need to do anything about the downtown right now. Time will take care of that," he said. "But there is an urgent need to do something about the congestion around the East End (I-75 - Ohio 122 area) -- and maybe add another entrance onto the interstate." Mr. Barille says, however, that both areas demand attention.
"We're looking at both the downtown and the I-75 areas as opportunities for development in this community -- and to ignore one of them would be to settle for half a loaf," he said.
Two extremes
Separated BY about five miles, the downtown and I-75 areas differ in almost every significant way imaginable.
The I-75 artery pulsates with motorists; a sea of familiar fast-food signs beckons hungry travelers to stop. Less-harried folks linger at trendy, casual chain restaurants such as Damon's, the Olive Garden or Applebee's Neighborhood Grill and Bar. Shoppers head for Towne Mall and its major department stores: Sears, McAlpin's and Elder-Beerman.
But there's nothing distinctively "Middletown" about that area; it could easily pass for one of any number of interstate exits. Meanwhile, downtown boasts some beautiful, old architecture -- especially among its churches and in the nine-block-long South Main Street historic district. The district showcases nearly a dozen different architectural styles, dating from the 1820s to the 1920s.
The area, Mr. Crout says, was home to millionaires and "was once one of the richest streets in Ohio." Many of its residences have been lovingly restored, with the help of a group called PRISM -- Preservation, Restoration, Improvement of South Main -- which has been at work since the mid-1970s. "To many visitors, these areas represent the community's image more than shopping centers or strip malls," the latest PRISM newsletter says.
There's also the stately Manchester Inn, 1027 Manchester Ave., alongside the American-flag-lined City Centre Plaza. The plaza's other neighbors are city government offices and Arts in Middletown, which officials tout as one of the region's most vibrant incubators of the arts.
Other pluses: the public library; the 100-acre Smith Park; the municipal airport, whose runway is the region's third-longest (behind those in Cincinnati and Dayton); and the Whistle Stop Shop, a railway station that's now a gift shop, at Central Avenue and University Boulevard.
But there's a down side of downtown.
City's dark side
For starters, it's sprinkled with defunct factories and empty storefronts.
And Central Avenue, although adorned with turn-of-the-century-style lampposts, offers a less-than-ideal setting for its charming antiques shops.
They're strangely juxtaposed with enterprises like a tattoo and piercing parlor, auto parts stores and taverns.
Eateries are few and far between, and there are no major department stores; one of the most visible businesses is Richie's Pawn Central, with its giant yellow letters against a forest-green background. Richie's sits next to City Centre Mall -- and anyone who steps inside the enclosed mall can easily see why it has struggled since it was built in 1973. Its interior is dark, cavelike and, in a word, uninviting. A number of the mall's spaces are vacant. Swallen's department store is boarded-up with plywood.
But there is one big bright spot: a majestic fountain spouts high in the rotunda, toward a skylight that provides a dramatic lighting effect on sunny days.
There's been talk of removing the roof from the City Centre, in hopes of making the shops more accessible and attractive. But avid mall-walkers hate that idea.
Elise Miller, 43, who works at the nearBY YMCA, begrudgingly concedes, "The downtown just doesn't have much to bring people down here anymore. It would be nice to see the downtown come back, but I don't think it will happen."
Whoa, says Mr. Barille, the development director. Don't write downtown's obituary just yet. "We've recently seen a strengthening of the downtown real estate market," he said.
Private investments in downtown have totaled $25 million in the past five years, Mr. Barille said, adding that the downtown area appeals to certain types of businesses that don't depend on high visibility for success, such as professional offices.
"And they can get very, very attractive space that's built in a way they don't construct any more -- at very, very reasonable prices," Mr. Barille said.
Further, developers are working on converting vacant business spaces to second-story loft apartments, he said, and numerous revitalization and improvement projects are planned.
Growth in the north
Much of the city's residential growth is now occurring along Breiel Boulevard's northern section.
There, spacious homes are situated amid rolling hills, gracefully curved streets and towering shade trees. It all combines to offer a secluded atmosphere that's quickly accessible to other parts of town.
Many of the newer sections are attracting professionals who work in Cincinnati or Dayton but choose to live in Middletown, which is almost equidistant between those cities, Mr. Crout, the historian, noted.
While older Middletown houses aren't as large or as pricey as the newest ones being built, they're still in beautiful residential neighborhoods, with only a smattering of dwellings in ill repair, Mr. Crout said. "Because of that, it's been called "the city with no slums,' " he said.
"I think Middletown's been greatly underrated in this region," he said.
Posted By: Nelson Self
Date Posted: Jul 08 2010 at 3:18pm
Down Payment/Closing Cost Assistance -- From mid- 2007 until the end of 2008 almost 70 first-time buyers were helped in purchasing homes. Many of these were vacant, foreclosed dwellings. Prior to my arrival five or six first-time home buyers were assisted.
Dollar Homes Program -- After my arrival we properly addressed this costly boondoggle. Four homes were sold and seven others re-acquired from a local non-profit housing organization. Mr. Adkins demolished six of these after neglecting to rehab same for re-sale. This is an example where quite alot of HUD funding was foolishly wasted.
Citizens Participation -- I resurrected a mostly dormant HUD-required committee. It was comprised of target areaa residents, local real estate professionals, local mortgage bankers, etc. Because they were properly informed of several interesting internal problems and made efforts to reform bad public policy, they were abolished by Judy G. and Ginger Smith in late 2008.
Home Buyer Education Classes -- In the latter part of 2007 monthly Home Buyer Education Classes were held at One Donham Plaza. More than 300 prospective first-time buyers attended.
Middletown Home Ownership Partnership -- In the latter part of 2007 a major outreach effort was carried out to meaningfully involved local housing industry professionals. For the first time there was a close working relationship between target area residents, the Middeltown Board of REALTORS, mortgage bankers, etc.
Owner-Occupied Housing Rehabilitation -- Prior to my arrival only five home owners were assisted in 2006. In the following years $500,000+ annually was invested helping 20-25 home owners per year.
Minor/Emergency Home Repair -- Prior to my arrival about $50,000 annually was spent helping elderly and permanently disabled home owners. Beginning in 2007, I forged a partnership with People Working Cooperatively and the Federal Home Loan Bank. As much as $500,000 in combined funding greatly expanded this program.
Section 8 -- Prior to my arrival Housing Code Enforcement staff was directed NOT to handle Section 8 problem properties. I immediately changed this policy resulting in frequent communications with CONSOC that led to better landlord property compliance.
Scandals -- Upon my arrival, and thanks to the assistance of Skip Batten, I was made aware of a number of questionable decisions involving property rehabilitation. In at least five instances home owner private debt (mostly credit cards) were paid off with HUD funds. Also, in the early part of the last decade and in 2006, a large amount of delinquent, non-performing HUD loans were written off. I instituted a private sector model loan servicing procedure that brought this hidden problem to the forefront.
I welcome any comments you might make to refute what I have said.
Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Jul 08 2010 at 3:19pm
wow--after making all of the biblical directive quotes towards mankind, Mr.Barille takes the low road by cheap-shotting Mr.Self.
Isn't Neil Barille the former ED director(great job!--thanks for leaving this fine mess with your failed agenda) who caught his office/the city building on fire when he fell asleep while smoking a cig in his office?
I remember his wife and him as very nice people, though not particularly successful in moving Middletown forward(where have I heard that phrase b4?). Another retired bureaucrat whom we are still paying for mucking up our city long-term.
Maybe when the pers system goes broke, and the members move to the SS system(oops--they didn't pay in!) and Obama healthcare program, he will think differently. Maybe not. Still--don't worry--we still have abundant Section 8 for you!
Posted By: Neil Barille
Date Posted: Jul 08 2010 at 3:41pm
It wasn't a cigarette, it was one of Ron Olson's joints.
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jul 08 2010 at 3:42pm
Mercy, Mr. Barille, Pacman's newfound article from your era of planning is a clear indictment of your assessment of the city development plan versus what has actually occured. That quote from Mr. Crout about Middletown being a "city with no slums" certainly has changed since you left, right? Gotta think the Section 8 program, which you appear to be defending, has something to do with the contribution to the rapid decline in this city toward the development of the ghetto, poverty slums. Putting out a "Welcome All Section 8 Voucher People" sign in the town's front yard would tend to do something like that. Mr. Crout's statement about the city's fixation on the downtown and not riding out the I-75 area turned out to be quite a dose of insight, didn't it? You mentioned in the article that "we are beginning to diversify and play a role in a larger economy". This is 2010 and the diversity still hasn't happened. I talked to Bill Donham in council chambers in the late 80's and read a letter to council that night about "putting all the eggs in one basket" concerning diversity and not relying on Armco as much anymore. Still have the letter. Didn't do any good. They didn't listen then and they still aren't listening down at city hall. The Bible teaching forgiveness? Ya gotta earn forgiveness by demonstrating you want to change for it to mean anything. No one in this city government has demonstrated a desire to change in a long time. No forgiveness on the horizon from me as yet, for what they have done to this once proud city. You have contributed to its demise Mr. Barille. JMO
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jul 08 2010 at 3:54pm
Thank you again Mr. Self. It is because of Mr. Barille and Mr. Kohler that Middletown is now know as “Slumville USA”
Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Jul 08 2010 at 4:03pm
Mr. Braille, I knew you had to be smoking something when I started reading your comments from the past and see you haven't stopped even today.
Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Jul 08 2010 at 4:04pm
Neil Barille wrote:
It wasn't a cigarette, it was one of Ron Olson's joints.
Oh-OK
That also explains the logic of that period.
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jul 08 2010 at 11:40pm
VietVet wrote:
... This article appears to be before 1990. ..
Now, come on Vet!!! Didn't you read the article???
Whoa, says Mr. Barille, the development director. Don't write downtown's obituary just yet. "We've recently seen a strengthening of the downtown real estate market," he said.
Private investments in downtown have totaled $25 million in the past five years, Mr. Barille said, adding that the downtown area appeals to certain types of businesses that don't depend on high visibility for success, such as professional offices.
"And they can get very, very attractive space that's built in a way they don't construct any more -- at very, very reasonable prices," Mr. Barille said.
Further, developers are working on converting vacant business spaces to second-story loft apartments, he said, and numerous revitalization and improvement projects are planned.
From that, it's plain to see that it is the big plan from the mid-1990's!!
No...wait...it's the new Crossroads 2000 plan from the year 2000!!
No wait!!! It's the brand new Master Plan from 2005!!!
NO...Now I recognize it!!! It's the very LATEST, brand new and improved plan that will be coming in 2010!!
Completely unlike any of the others!!!!
------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jul 08 2010 at 11:45pm
Neil Barille wrote:
Some good points. If it were up to the "Wild West" conservatives in this country we wouldn't have any reform at all, the rich would get the care, scr*w everyone else, and our average life expectancy would resemble Bangladesh.
Please share with us, Mr. Barille. EXACTLY what health plan do YOU have??? Will YOU be abandoning YOUR plan to go with "ObamaCare"???
Or are you one of the "Do as I say, not as I do" crowd???
------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jul 08 2010 at 11:51pm
Neil Barille wrote:
Mr. Self,
After decades of systemic, racial, and cultural inequities in our society, the "Great Society" programs of LBJ ushered in an era where we finally began to address some of the unfairness. ...
I admire the sentiment, Mr. Barille. But, after decades of "Great Society" programs and hundreds of billions of dollars "invested" in same, aren't the facts that the situations you mentioned have actually gotten WORSE???
------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jul 09 2010 at 12:01am
From the Equirer article:
"But there is one big bright spot: a majestic fountain spouts high in the rotunda, ..."
And just wait until you see the big, bright, expensive to operate and maintain "water feature" that Mr. Barille’s protégé, Mr. Kohler, has planned for us at our new “gateway”!!!
Will it do for our new Renaissance Centre what the old water feature did for City Centre???
------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jul 09 2010 at 7:45am
The above article in the Enquirer was written in June of 1998.
How can one city hire so many people, that get it so wrong, so much of the time?
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jul 09 2010 at 8:32am
You're right Mike. I didn't read it very carefully as to dates, did I?
Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Jul 09 2010 at 9:42am
But---no mention of bike baths or bark parks!
Or that popular Bicentennial Commons that had it's parking repaved last year.
Has it been used since?
So--a water fountain for Towne Malle should turn it around in a hurry!
Water fountains everywhere should solve everything!
Obviously the demise of the area formerly known as downtown is largely due to the removal of that magnificent indoor water feature.
So simple............
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jul 09 2010 at 9:47am
From that, it's plain to see that it is the big plan from the mid-1990's!!
No...wait...it's the new Crossroads 2000 plan from the year 2000!!
No wait!!! It's the brand new Master Plan from 2005!!!
NO...Now I recognize it!!! It's the very LATEST, brand new and improved plan that will be coming in 2010!!
Completely unlike any of the others!!!!
Hey Mike you forgot to add that they continue to appoint the SAME people to the City’s Master Planning Committee.....and expect different results...
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jul 09 2010 at 10:28am
OR, Miss Vivian, they appoint the same people to the City's Master Planning Committee to PROTECT/GUARANTEE the SAME results....ie, the results that will produce no problems for them. Obviously, assigning the "friends of city government" to all of the vital committees, will allow them to remain in control of the city's destiny, right? Pretty much guarantees no dissention nor opposition in the ranks and no change in venue for their master plan of destruction. It would be a gamechanger if we could get a council put together that would launch the start of the deadwood cleanout. Only way I know of to effectively break this cycle. Start firing certain people in the city building for insufficient performance detrimental to the city.
Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Jul 09 2010 at 10:58am
Hey--I resemble that remark, since I am on the current Master Plan Committee(for the first time).
We should finally get down to the nitty gritty at our July meeting.
It centers on Econ Dev, with both Mr.Kohler and Mr.Robinette scheduled to be present.
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jul 09 2010 at 6:09pm
Vivian Moon wrote:
From that, it's plain to see that it is the big plan from the mid-1990's!!
No...wait...it's the new Crossroads 2000 plan from the year 2000!!
No wait!!! It's the brand new Master Plan from 2005!!!
NO...Now I recognize it!!! It's the very LATEST, brand new and improved plan that will be coming in 2010!!
Completely unlike any of the others!!!!
Hey Mike you forgot to add that they continue to appoint the SAME people to the City’s Master Planning Committee.....and expect different results...
Keep doing the same thing over and over and you will keep getting the same results over and over!!!
I believe it's called the "scientific method"!!!
------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jul 10 2010 at 9:14am
spiderjohn wrote:
Hey--I resemble that remark, since I am on the current Master Plan Committee(for the first time).
We should finally get down to the nitty gritty at our July meeting.
It centers on Econ Dev, with both Mr.Kohler and Mr.Robinette scheduled to be present.
Spider make sure you don't spend more than an hour talking about the mess the city is in, wouldn't want to have any real discussion on the issues would we. See if you can find out who is footing the bill on the PAC, you know lets see $500k for a Bike Path and if they are spending $500k on the PAC, I really can't think of anything more important in Middltown that they could have spent that $1,000,000.00.....can you?
Posted By: Neil Barille
Date Posted: Jul 10 2010 at 9:21am
Downtown has a bright future, just wait and see.
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jul 10 2010 at 9:29am
Downtown has a bright future, just wait and see.
Yep Mr. Barille you sure did do a great job of giving us a wonderful past. I want all the MUSA members to send him a special "Thank You" card.
Vouchers Awarded to MPHA 1999-2005; Total new vouchers awarded to MPHA: 888 DateNumber of Vouchers AwardedTarget Population 12-01-199975 mainstream vouchersNon-elderly disable 5-01-200050 family unification vouchersFamilies where a lack of housing is a factor for separation with children 9-01-200055 fair share vouchersNone-regular vouchers 11-01-2000200 non-elderly vouchersNon-elderly disabled 10-01-2001200 non-elderly vouchersNon-elderly disabled 1-01-2003200 non-elderly vouchersNon-elderly disabled 10-1-2005108 tenant protection vouchersFamilies residing in Chatham Village - multifamily conversion action
Middletown is currently one of the 300 largest Section 8 Public Housing Agencies in the country. The Middletown Section 8 budget is $12,055,723.
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jul 10 2010 at 9:52am
Neil Barille wrote:
I don't see how the growth of the Section 8 program is necessarily the reason for Middletown's current situation. The tenants cannot be blamed for mistakes by previous councils, the flight of businesses in town, and the natural decay of an aging industrial city. But every group with pitchforks needs a whipping boy, so the Section 8 program has become just that. Would a 50% reduction in the program have kept AK here? Would it have made the thousands of aging houses in town any more updated or inhabited by responsible home purchasers? I don't think so.
The Bible teaches us to love thy neighbor. Government and its programs, via your taxes, are a means to help our neighbors. Judge not lest ye be judged.
Nope you are right we can only blame the shortsightedness of City leaders for the mess that they created for Middletown. We can blame those tenants that fail to maintain their properties. We can blame those tenants that create nuisances in the community by their actions. We can blame the tenants that break the law and for the drug usage, etc. We can blame those tenants that tend to drag down a neighborhood by these actions, just as we blame those who are not on Section 8.
No one said Section 8 is the sole reason for Middletown's problems but as usual you want to interpret the many postings on here that way. Just as you want to sermonize those that want to see an improvement in our community, by reducing Section 8 to a reasonable level for a community this size.
You leave me with the impression that Section 8 is the great savior of any city and every city should have an abundance of Section 8 for it's residents.
If Section 8 is so wonderful why doesn't every community clamor for as much as they can get? Why do most communities shy or make that run away from it? Why don't more communities have a ration of 1 voucher for every 28 residents? I have yet to find any community is the USA that has a ratio of Section 8 that high, not even Major metropolitan cities approach that level.
Section 8 recipients make up 44% of the poverty rate in Middletown. Why would any city want to create a system that effectively doubled it's poverty rate in less than 10 years. I have yet to understand the rationale of this move by Middletown leaders. If Section 8 was at a moderate level in Middletown I doubt it would be an issue that we would even be discussing, but City leaders made major errors in their operation of the city which brought this issue to the forefront and now it mus be dealt with.
A city with a High Poverty rate probably up wards of 25-30% come 12-10 when the census comes out, does not attract businesses which count on local residents with disposable incomes such as retail, Service and Entertainment venues. A high poverty rate has strained our school system to the point where it is performing at the bottom of the districts in Butler County consistently. It strains our Public Services, lowers our Tax revenue. You also can not operate a city of 45-50000 residents based solely for the benefit of 4500 people. This has been occurring for to long in Middletown. The amount of Time and Money spent just on the Section 8 issue is mind boggling for a city in Middletown's condition.
Just as you say we can't blame the tenants, you can't blame the residents of this city who now say enough is enough and want our city to move forward and back to some semblance of what it use to be. Middletown will never be the city it was back in the 50's but there is no reason it can't come back to be a bedroom community to Cinci and Dayton. It will take getting rid of the old guard mentality which grips this city from just about every corner. It's churches are suffering, it's communities are suffering, it's business community is suffering, it's infrastructure is suffering, it's schools are suffering and on and on and on and mainly that is due to the old guard that refuses to step aside and let some new blood come to the front with new ideas. Ideas that will have young people wanting to move here and raise their families.
The young people moving out was occurring during your watch Mr. Barille back in 1995 and as today was ignored.
Mr. Barille the "whipping boy" in Middletown is the Leadership and Old Guard, of which you were a part, that has failed all of the residents of this city for the last 20+ years.
Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Jul 10 2010 at 10:02am
Neil Barille wrote:
Downtown has a bright future, just wait and see.
Neil, I see you are hitting the ole wacky weed already today. For the 10 years I have been here I have been hearing that same old tired saying and for the last 10 years nothing has progressed downtown to the point where it even has a future let alone a bright one.
Posted By: Neil Barille
Date Posted: Jul 10 2010 at 10:10am
Pacman, I am not ashamed to have opened the city's arms to embrace the least fortunate among us. Government must take care of the less fortunate and if Middletown is the cradle for the downtrodden to get some rest, then so be it. We have done God's work. This town is finally moving toward the Marxist utopia I always envisioned.
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jul 10 2010 at 11:32am
"Mr. Barille"- you can't be serious in your support of an overabundant Section 8 "support the downtrodden" mentality at the expense of ruining an entire city and making it revenue welfare dependent, can you? You are just saying these things to "Get a rise out of us and raise our blood pressure" right? No one is that stupid as to honestly agree with what you have just spouted. I'm guessing you are an imposter posing as Barille just to agitate, aren't you? Mercy!
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jul 10 2010 at 11:39am
Ahhh yes the Marxist Utopia....that's where the Marxist get 90% of the dollar and the Downtrodden get the left over 10% and remain poor forever.
Yep this is our goverment programs at work.
Posted By: sunwyn
Date Posted: Jul 10 2010 at 12:35pm
As opposed to the Capitalist Utopia, where the capitalists control 99% of every dollar and politician!!!
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jul 10 2010 at 2:54pm
Mr. Barille, From your joking about a joint at City Hall to spouting off about doing God's work and creating the Marxist Utopia you supposedly desired for Middletown you seem to continue to make a fool of yourself. Now since basic Marxist theory is that God does not exist, you sir, have not only disgraced yourself but also your continual boasting about doing God's work. It would seem sir you are more in need of a "Pitchfork" and a place to go with it, then the people you denigrated above with your comment about the section 8 program, "But every group with pitchforks needs a whipping boy, so the Section 8 program has become just that."
Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Jul 10 2010 at 3:29pm
Hey Neil why don't you take your Godly work along with your Marxist Utopia and move to Lockland they could use your help, where as we can do without:
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jul 10 2010 at 7:25pm
"a bright future, just wait and see!" ...our catch phrase from the mid-90s!!!
Completely different from "Exciting news is coming soon" or "Great things are just around the corner"...two of our interim mottos, or: "Bright past, brighter future!"...our NEW slogan!!!
Yep, this time things are DIFFERENT, and it's gonna be great!!!
------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jul 10 2010 at 7:46pm
Mr. Barille:
Your original post in this thread implied the benefits of Obamacare over the present system of health insurance in this nation, but you seemed to have missed the the follow-up questions that your comment spawned. For your convenience, I’ll repeat mine here:
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Posted: 08 Jul 2010 at 11:45pm
Originally posted by Neil Barille
Some good points. If it were up to the "Wild West" conservatives in this country we wouldn't have any reform at all, the rich would get the care, scr*w everyone else, and our average life expectancy would resemble Bangladesh.
Please share with us, Mr. Barille. EXACTLY what health plan do YOU have??? Will YOU be abandoning YOUR plan to go with "ObamaCare"???
Or are you one of the "Do as I say, not as I do" crowd???
------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
Posted By: Neil Barille
Date Posted: Jul 10 2010 at 8:28pm
What plan I have personally is of no relevance to what our nation, as a whole, needs. I would feel the same way regardless of whether I retired from the city or some other cushy union career.
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jul 10 2010 at 10:42pm
Neil Barille wrote:
Some good points. If it were up to the "Wild West" conservatives in this country we wouldn't have any reform at all, the rich would get the care, scr*w everyone else, and our average life expectancy would resemble Bangladesh.
Neil Barille wrote:
What plan I have personally is of no relevance to what our nation, as a whole, needs. I would feel the same way regardless of whether I retired from the city or some other cushy union career.
So, I take it that this means you are in the "DO AS I SAY AND NOT AS I DO" category, eh Neil??? As long as we citizens are paying for YOUR FIRST CLASS, BLUE RIBBON health care program, all of the rest of us should sacrifice and get in line for rationed, "take what's left over after Neil gets his", "scr*w everyone else" ObamaCare!!!
I thought so.
------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jul 11 2010 at 10:50pm
The difference between the Neil Barilles and the Mike Prestas of this world?
Well, it seems clear where people like Mr. Barille stand!!! As long as they have top-notch health plans, mostly paid for by others, then they are all in favor of forcing everyone else to abandon their free choices, pool their money, and have the working class subsidize health care for Mr. Barille (and those of his ilk) and for the poor. This means that both the working class and the poor will end up enduring low-level, rationed care administered by a bloated staff of over-paid (but also well-insured) bureaucrats.
On the other hand, where do I stand??? Well, actually, ObamaCare would work for me!!! I am at a point where I have a very expensive, individual (NON-group) plan, with a high deductible, a low life-time limit, no prescription coverage, and so on.
I have already signed health care directives providing for the withholding, or withdrawal of artificial feeding and fluids and all other forms of health care, including cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) but excepting pain meds and palliative care, so even if (and that is a big if) the alleged “death panels” were to come about, that would be OK for me. I can definitively state that I would refuse further procedures that such panels would likely deny to me, such as major surgery (back surgery, joint replacements, open heart, transplants (other than transplants with me as the donor, which would be highly unlikely) and the like, or major procedures such as chemo- or radiation therapies.
In fact, as I understand it, ObamaCare would be much less expensive yet provide at least as much coverage as I have now, plus prescription coverage.
Yet, even though it is better for ME, that doesn’t make it right, and I stand four-square against it.
And that, my friends, is the difference between the Neil Barilles of this world and people like me.
And it is also what is wrong with Middletown.
We have too many people (both officially at City Hall and behind the scenes at City Hall) who want to take care of their OWN interests first, usually at the expense of the taxpayers, and then want to take what is left over of the taxpayers’ money to use how THEY think is best for the rest of us, always making certain that they have what they want FIRST!!!
------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
Posted By: Neil Barille
Date Posted: Jul 12 2010 at 6:58am
I would be all for our country providing everyone with the healthcare I have. Until that day comes, I think "Obamacare" as the wingnuts like to say, is the best way to get some small measure of availability to those who haven't had it.
Much like the city's Section 8 program, the government should be in the business of providing free to low cost housing and healthcare to all. It's good policy and it's the moral way to address past inequities.
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jul 12 2010 at 7:30am
[QUOTE=Neil Barille] Much like the city's Section 8 program, the government should be in the business of providing free to low cost housing and healthcare to all. It's good policy and it's the moral way to address past inequities.
Mr. Barille- I gotta ask this question. How much Section 8 is too much Section 8 for one city? Do you agree that too much Section 8 lowers the image of a city, throws too much of a strain on a city's resources, hurts the city's school system, creates fed revenue as a substitute for the city gaining revenue through job acquisition/taxes and has no real positive contribution to the city? If you don't agree with this, please explain why. I would think you are one of the few that think the Section 8 is good policy. Do you support the freeloaders (yes, there are some) on this program as well? What "past inequities" are you speaking of? Please say it is not the same old theme that the minorities are constantly talking about. We have all had "past inequities" leveled against us in one form or another, Mr. Barille.
Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Jul 12 2010 at 7:37am
Vet, go old Neil supports a "Nanny State" provided by the Government and paid for by those who chose to work. Gimme housing, gimme health Care, gimme food stamps, etc. Neil's favorite word Gimme, Gimme, Gimmee. Oh and lets not forget "You Owe Me". God why would this city ever hire someone like you for any leadership roll. No wonder the City is going down the drain.
Posted By: Neil Barille
Date Posted: Jul 12 2010 at 9:36am
Wasteful, that "Nanny State" is exactly what I'm looking for.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jul 12 2010 at 9:39am
Neil Barille wrote:
I would be all for our country providing everyone with the healthcare I have. Until that day comes, I think "Obamacare" as the wingnuts like to say, is the best way to get some small measure of availability to those who haven't had it.
Much like the city's Section 8 program, the government should be in the business of providing free to low cost housing and healthcare to all. It's good policy and it's the moral way to address past inequities.
I see, Neil. BUT (there's always a "but", isn't there?) the problem is, the ONLY way it will EVER be possible for "for our country" to provide "everyone with the healthcare I [YOU] have" is for YOU and all of the other "do as I say and not as I do" hypocrites to GIVE UP not only your first class health care, but to REDISTRIBUTE the REST of YOUR WEALTH and to join everyone else down at the bottom!!!
And YOU just are NOT willing to do THAT, now are you, Neil??
NO, YOU only want everyone to be equal as long as YOU are MORE EQUAL than most of the others, right Neil?
The problem with YOUR system, Neil, is that YOU are only willing to share the "wingnuts' " money, right, Neil???
But what happens when you run out of other people's money, as is rapidly happening, Neil???
Are you forgetting that "the government" is YOU, Neil???
Just where do you think "the government" should get the money necessary to "be in the business of providing free to low cost housing and healthcare to all", Neil???
My 8 month-old grandchild already owes over $42,500 that YOU have given away, Neil, and his debt is going up so quickly that I doubt he'll EVER be able to pay it off.
------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jul 12 2010 at 9:49am
Komrade Barille wrote:
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."
But Neil, YOU have SO much ability (and so many resources)!!! And there is SO MUCH NEED!!!
WHEN do we get to "share" YOUR wealth, Neil???
------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jul 12 2010 at 9:54am
Folks, we are being duped!!!
Even Neil Barille can't be so stupid as to spout all of this cr*p!
------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jul 12 2010 at 10:16am
Mike_Presta wrote:
Folks, we are being duped!!!
Even Neil Barille can't be so stupid as to spout all of this cr*p!
Yeah I thought the same thing Mike, but..............................................
Posted By: Neil Barille
Date Posted: Jul 12 2010 at 10:30am
I will happily embrace the expiration of the Bush tax cuts and would even be open to an additional 1-2 percentage point increase over that.
Posted By: angelababy
Date Posted: Sep 02 2010 at 5:12am
Some good points. Government must take care of the less fortunate and if Middletown is the cradle for the downtrodden to get some rest, then so be it. We have done God's work.
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