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Topic: Dear Mr. President..........
Posted By: Hermes
Subject: Dear Mr. President..........
Date Posted: May 25 2010 at 9:15am

Dear Mr. President
I’m planning to move my family and extended family into Mexico for my health, and I would like to ask you to assist me.

We’re planning to simply walk across the border from the U.S. into Mexico, and we’ll need your help to make a few arrangements.

We plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration quotas and laws.

I’m sure they handle those things the same way you do here. So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Calderon, that I’m on my way over?

Please let him know that I will be expecting the following:

1. Free medical care for my entire family.

2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might need, whether I use them or not.

3. Please print all Mexican government forms in English.

4. I want my grandkids to be taught Spanish by English-speaking (bi-lingual) teachers.

5. Tell their schools they need to include classes on American culture and history.

6. I want my grandkids to see the American flag on one of the flag poles at their school.

7. Please plan to feed my grandkids at school for both breakfast and lunch.

8. I will need a local Mexican driver’s license so I can get easy access to government services.

9. I do plan to get a car and drive in Mexico but I don’t plan to purchase car insurance, and I probably won’t make any special effort to learn local traffic laws.

10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo from their president to leave me alone, please be sure that every patrol car has at least one English-speaking officer.

11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put U. S. flag decals on my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any complaints or negative comments from the locals.

12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, or have any labor or tax laws enforced on any business I may start.

13. Please have the president tell all the Mexican people to be extremely nice and never say critical things about me or my family, or about the strain we might place on their economy.

14. I want to receive free food stamps.

15. Naturally, I’ll expect free rent subsidies.

16. I’ll need Income tax credits so although I don’t pay Mexican Taxes, I’ll receive money from the government.

17. Please arrange it so that the Mexican Gov’t pays $4,500 to help me buy a new car.

18. Oh yes, I almost forgot, please enroll me free into the Mexican Social Security program so that I’ll get a monthly income in retirement.

I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things for all his people who walk over to the U.S. from Mexico … I am sure that President Calderon won’t mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely.

Thank you so much for your kind help. You’re the man!!!



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Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: May 25 2010 at 11:58am
From NumbersUSA.com, sent mine off:
 
President Barack Obama
1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Washington, DC 20500

Dear President Obama,

Arizona has just passed the most sweeping, pro-American and pro-legal immigrant immigration enforcement law in the country, and you should follow suit by making sure all states enforce America's immigration laws.


Arizona's new piece of legislation, SB 1070, does even more to keep its residents safe. The legislation:

-allows police officers to ask for proof of residency if they suspect an individual is in the country illegally,

-allows illegal aliens to be jailed and fined up to $2500,

-bans "soft" immigration policies at local police agencies that prevent officers from asking about a suspect's immigration status,

-allows Arizonans to sue if they feel a government agency has adopted a policy that hinders the enforcement of illegal immigration laws,

-prohibits people from blocking traffic when they seek or offer day-labor services on street corners,

-and makes it illegal for people to transport illegal aliens if the drivers of vehicles know their passengers are in the country illegally and if the transportation furthers their illegal presence in the country.

You and Congress should be ashamed that states are being forced to enforce federal law because the federal government doesn't have the backbone to do the job. Please observe the will of the American people and make sure our immigration laws are enforced!

An American for sovereignty,



Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: May 25 2010 at 5:59pm
Senor wasteful that is a good letter to El Presidente Obama.
 
Just move to Mexico with me, we'll have a blast and we can live on a dollar a day !!  Big%20smile


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Posted By: ringmaster
Date Posted: May 26 2010 at 5:17pm
bravo bravoClap

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Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: May 26 2010 at 9:08pm

I don't doubt this problem is a big issue and especially causing some problems in the border states, but I think it's also a convenient way to vent about people that are different than us.   Before you say "no way, we just want respect for our laws", I say fine maybe you do but many others find it a feel-good way to b*tch about people that look different and don't talk like us.  The prejudices we have against those out of our culture (be it race, creed, southern accent, etc) are powerful but usually silent.  This issue (and Sheriff Jones) give people a socially acceptable chance to vent about "different people".

Is this issue any bigger than others we generally ignore, like the drug war, vehicle accidents, drunk drivers, government waste, violent crime, etc.?  Or does it just feel better to rant about this one?  Again, I'm not saying this issue shouldn't be dealt with, but look yourself in the mirror and say that your venom toward the Mexicans has absolutely nothing to do with the fact they look and talk different than you.


Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: May 26 2010 at 10:31pm
Bill - I can't answer for anyone else and I don't speak from a "racist" type of platform. I even speak Spanish and have always wanted to visit Mexico, but....my point and anger is geared toward our countries leaders NOT a people.
 
My own origins are made up of many countries & nationalities, German,Irish,Scottish, Welsh and Native American. IMO unless your Native American then we are all at least descended from immigrants so we have no right to bad mouth new immigrants who come into the country LEGALLY. Matter of fact I welcome with open arms all who seek a better life in this country,but who do it LEGALLY. Climbing over a fence and hiding out from the law is like walking into my house without my knowledge and without knocking on the door.
 
Knock and the door shall be open,LEGALLY.


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Posted By: rngrmed
Date Posted: May 26 2010 at 10:54pm
Hermes makes a good point.  The legality of all this is the issue.  Many people are confusing being opposed to all immigration versus being opposed to legal immigration. 
I said earlier on one of the other posts that when I was in the Army we were always educated on the customs and cultures of the countries we were visiting/aiding.  In comparison, I was in class last week and we were talking about respecting the cultures/customs of patients that come in to be seen by us.  It seems no matter what, We (US Citizens) are always bending over to respect to the customs of others with nothing in return.  I'm ok with President Obama bowing to foreign dignitaries on their turf, but shouldn't they shake hands over here?


Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: May 27 2010 at 6:37am

The legality of it is sort of the issue.  But we don't protest about the everyday traffic violators, tax cheats, corporate shenanigans, welfare frauders, etc.  All of these things and more happen every day, they are against the law, and yet we dont do much about it.  But the illegal aliens are different -- they look different and many of them are obviously not from here.  Like I said, this is a big problem that needs to be dealt with but it might behoove all of us to face ourselves in the mirror and ask how much of our outrage is legitimate and how much is because it is a chance to "pile on" people that are different than us.   When a sheriff in Butler County Ohio can use the issue as his whole platform, there's something more at play here than simply dealing with one of our many problems.  That something is darker, more unsavory, more bloodthirsty than trying to rally citizens to solve, say, our Social Security problems.  Would we react with the same outrage if we started seeing thousands of Irish or Canadians sneaking into our country?



Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: May 27 2010 at 6:40am
....though I was no fan of Prez Bush, I think his plan for dealing with this was a start.  Bring them into the daylight, make them pay a penalty and wait in line, but legalize their existence here.  The reality is we're not sending 15 million people home so let's secure the border and start rationally dealing with those who are here.


Posted By: rngrmed
Date Posted: May 27 2010 at 10:32am

People are going to complain about what they can see and what's in the news.  People did complain the Execs and TYCO and ENRON and I'm sure they complain about tax cheats every tax season or speeders when they are following the flow of traffic when  and they are the ones that get caught.

Being that I work in healthcare, it is not just illegal immigrants that cause a problem.  I'm sure it starts with the outrageous cost of healthcare.  But when a person comes in without health insurance OR they can not afford to pay their bill, prices go up to be distributed to the rest of society just like department strores do to offset the cost of theft.  Then it comes down to what people have experience with or what they see.  Do we SEE a big problem with illegal Canadians, Irish, Scottish? Or just those from Latin American countries.


Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: May 27 2010 at 10:32am
I think our reaction would be the same regardless of which country the illegals were coming from. If they are illegal then they need to be dealt with. The United States is catering to these Mexican illegals. Almost everything in the U.S. is written in english & spanish, call the gas & electric company press 4 for spanish. If they want to come into this country fine, do it legally and learn english. Does Mexico cater to english speaking people ? No. You either speak spanish or hope someone there speaks a little english. Mexico does not cater like the U.S.
 
As for "Spotlight Jones" I believe part of his motive is to stop the illegals and part of it is political. Butler County has a large population of Mexican immigrants and when an immigrant is involved in a crime or is a victim of crime there is no way of knowing if they are illegal, hence a law like Arizona is needed. Since the position of sheriff is a political office Jones stands to gain by putting on a dog and pony show. He even lost a law suit by one immigrant who was legal and was deported. Part of this problem is also ICE. If ICE is not doing their job then it really is a waste of time for Jones to be playing cowboy.
 
But the bottom line is the federal government is not doing their job because corporate interest and wealthy people want the illegals. If you have to make a choice between paying an american $12 per hour or paying a possible illegal $3 per hour who you going to hire ? Plus if you have the connections you know nothing is going to happen to you except to pay a small fine. Then the illegals get deported and you start all over.
 
Bottom line....the problem is with government in both countries and not the people.


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Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: May 27 2010 at 2:40pm
Thumbs%20Up
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Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: May 27 2010 at 2:48pm
why doesn't he go to Washington or get on TV and talk about the problem of dying industrial cities, loss of manufacturing, etc. (see Hamilton, Middletown).  That issue, and many others, has just as much to do with the county's problems as immigration.  Hmm, some might call him a poseur.


Posted By: John Beagle
Date Posted: May 27 2010 at 3:49pm
To make a big point about Illegal Immigration.

I like Jones. Good man.

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Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: May 27 2010 at 4:56pm
I like Sheriff Jones also.
He is a nice man, and can be very real or very humorous.
I wish that he wasn't so political and publicity-loving.
My businesses are being seriously impacted by petty theft and intimidation.
Granted--not a county issue.
Still--very little of my problems come from illegals.


Posted By: Bocephus
Date Posted: May 27 2010 at 6:22pm
Originally posted by Bill Bill wrote:

I don't doubt this problem is a big issue and especially causing some problems in the border states, but I think it's also a convenient way to vent about people that are different than us.   Before you say "no way, we just want respect for our laws", I say fine maybe you do but many others find it a feel-good way to b*tch about people that look different and don't talk like us.  The prejudices we have against those out of our culture (be it race, creed, southern accent, etc) are powerful but usually silent.  This issue (and Sheriff Jones) give people a socially acceptable chance to vent about "different people".

Is this issue any bigger than others we generally ignore, like the drug war, vehicle accidents, drunk drivers, government waste, violent crime, etc.?  Or does it just feel better to rant about this one?  Again, I'm not saying this issue shouldn't be dealt with, but look yourself in the mirror and say that your venom toward the Mexicans has absolutely nothing to do with the fact they look and talk different than you.
You really need to educate yourself if you do not think that illegals are an issue that needs urgent attention.When we are talking abot 10,20,30 million people that are in this Country illegaly that are taking away jobs from Americans and commiting crimes on a daily basis like rape,murder,robbery,identity theft just to name a few.You see its not about being prejudice because they are "different" than me,its about my kids and my grandkids futures and them not having thier standard of living trashed because some democrats and thier socialist agenda or some republicans wanting more cheaper labour for thier coporate sponsers.If you really want to learn more go to http://www.numbersusa.com - www.numbersusa.com or http://www.alipac.us - www.alipac.us and at least get some facts about what its costing Americans for these illegals to be here ok ? Sorry for my punctuation I speak Hillbilly and am proud of it,but I do know when enough is enough.


Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: May 27 2010 at 9:48pm
in that case I'm waiting for Boehner to hold court on the Catholic priest scandals in Ireland...makes about as much sense.


Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: May 27 2010 at 10:00pm
Bill where do you come up with this stuff.  You are so far left on this issue Pelosi has to wade out into San Fransisco Bay to throw you a life preserver. 
 
Of the top 10 countries where Illegal immigrants come from to the USA none have a predominate race of Caucasian.  Just a pure fact of life.
 
The majority, 80%, are coming from Central America and South America by way of Mexico.
 
The rest come from Asia.
 
Canada doesn't even place in the top 10, nor does Europe.  Bill these are facts.
 
Now the only discussion of this matter among most of us here has been the legality of the issue.  These people are coming here Illegally and "The legality of it is sort of the issue.", as you stated, sorry but it is the issue not just "sort of the issue". Bill  an illegal Immigrant is an Illegal Immigrant no matter where they come from, Canada, Ireland, Europe, Middle East....Mexico, take your pick. 
 
Over the last 3 years almost 3.5 million people have been granted LPR, Legal Permanent Resident, status in the USA.   The majority, about 15-17%, of these legal immigrants came from.......Mexico.  I don't hear anyone demanding that they be thrown out of the country.  As a matter of fact I don't hear anyone even mention LEGAL IMMIGRATION as an issue.  These are people who have followed the process as the U.S. government has set out for immigration into the USA.  The last time I looked these people look the same as the Illegal Immigrants.
 
Bill you have come on here and obfuscated the issue with your claims of racism and comparing "everyday traffic violators, tax cheats, corporate shenanigans, welfare frauders, etc." to illegal immigration, typical Liberal cloud the issue rather than tackle the issue.  The Libs two favorite issues to cloud an issue are Racism and Profiling.  When all else fails thrown those at the wall and cloud the true issue of it being ILLEGAL.
 
These issues "everyday traffic violators, tax cheats, corporate shenanigans, welfare frauders, etc." are internal issues that every country deals with and yes people complain about them.  Illegal Immigration is an external problem that comes into this country ILLEGALLY and needs to be dealt with.  Illegal Immigration leads to the breaking of other laws, illegal documents, falsifying documents and records, not to mention the more serious crimes.  The idea that you are floating that it is OK to break the law because you deem it OK is ludicrous and if that is how this society is going to operate then anarchy will rule.  Next you will be saying Bank Robbery is OK if you need to make your mortgage payment and don't have the funds.  The old the end justifies the means.
 
You want to solve much of this Illegal issue.
 
1)  Secure the Border......I mean Secure it, none of this half ass Government BS that has been going on for the last 10 years.
 
2)  Every employer in the USA has 90 days to verify their employees through E-Verify.  Look for many to flee back to Mexico or where ever they came from when this hits and I say let them go.  After 90 days heavy fines will be issued for any employer that knowing hires an illegal immigrant or fails to check the status of new hires.
 
3)  You then give the Illegal Immigrants 90 days to leave the country voluntarily and apply to come back legally.  If they fail to leave the Country within that 90 day window they are permanently barred from ever even applying for Legal residency in the USA.   Then as the ones that don't leave are picked up for whatever reason you fingerprint them and take their DNA and put it into a database that can be checked whenever someone applies for LPR Status in the USA, then back to whatever country they came from they go.
 
I would make two exceptions for this procedure, those who are seriously ill and being treated in the USA and for children under the age of 18.    The children would be allowed/made to leave with their parents if found here after the 90 days but I would not place then in the never allowed back in database.  The only way you are going to get this under control is to make staying here unpalatable for the Illegal Immigrants.
 
Yeah I know the old who is going to do the work.  Well 10% unemployment is the norm right now,
 
 
 


Posted By: Bocephus
Date Posted: May 27 2010 at 10:42pm
well said wasteful Clap


Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: May 28 2010 at 7:50am
I should have known that on this conserva-blog an attempt to view a problem under a little different light and reframe the issue will not be understood.  If you go back and read what I've said I agree it is a big problem -- so there's no need to recite your Minuteman manifesto about the horrors of illegal immigration or explain why the good Sheriff Jones needs to travel 1500 miles.  What I'm throwing out for discussion is if anyone agrees that our prejudices and distrust of those who look different than us in some small way are contributing to the outrage.  Like I said, holding a mirror up to ourselves. 
 
Rather than GOP issued "Talking Points", I like discussion where people try to look at a different angle to a story, discuss weaknesses in our own arguments (I'll admit to mixed feelings on certain political arguments), or confront our own biases.  To me, that's more interesting than reciting your predictable opinions about a problem.  Hell, I can predict 90% of the opinions for most people on this blog.  <<yawn>> 
 
So when I see a large group of Latinos get out of a van to kick the soccer ball around, I wonder if they're legal.  Part of me thinks if they are not, "get the hell out".   It's interesting to wonder if I would feel the same if they looked like they were from Norway?  I don't know....but it's just an interesting thought.


Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: May 28 2010 at 8:06am
Bill these are not GOP talking points the information I quoted came from the DHS web site which the last time I looked, yesterday, it was run by the LIBS.  The problem is you don't want facts, you want to heat up the issue by throwing in Racism.  I don't care what country the Illegal Immigrant comes from if you are here illegally get out. 
 
I would go so far as to say that once you got the matter of illegal immigration under control, that those allowed to come to America Legally from Mexico should be increased from 15% of the total immigrants a year to 30%, simply because there are so many that want to come here, but it must be legal.
 
Bill you are as easy to predict on the issues as you claim most of us are.  Such is life in a Nanny State of the LIBS.Big%20smile 


Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: May 28 2010 at 9:01am
Bill
    I’m sure that many on this blog have parents or grandparents that came to Middletown in the early 1900’s from all over Europe to become a US Citizen.
    They filled out all the paperwork and had to have a sponsor and a job or skill to come into the
US. Remember we didn’t have a welfare system so they had to be able to support their families if not they could be deported. They did any and all types of dirty jobs to support their families. They went to class to learn English and the laws of the land. They really wanted to become a US Citizen.
    If you read the old film of the Middletown Journal you will find that it has lots of stories about these NEW PEOPLE coming to
Middletown and establishing all kind of mom and pop businesses here in Middletown.
    It is a fact of History that these new immigrants always had the hardest and dirtiest jobs of the day at the lowest pay...and yet they saved their money and purchased a home and started a business here in
Middletown.
    I think why this is such a hot button issue here in Southwestern Ohio is the fact that the decedents of these immigrants DO remember how difficult it was for their parents to come to the US.
    Why shouldn’t these same laws apply to those coming from
Mexico?


Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: May 28 2010 at 9:24am
I have to chuckle the first 2 customers in my store this morning are immigrants, one from India and one from Mexico.  I asked each one about Illegal Immigration and what they thought about it.  Both basically stated the same thing, they should have to do it the same way I am, legally and wait.Thumbs%20Up


Posted By: John Beagle
Date Posted: May 28 2010 at 9:53am
Pacman raises a very valid point, LEGAL immigrants want ILLEGAL immigrants to do it the same way they got in America.

Is anyone listening to LEGAL immigrants? Do their collective voices at least equal the voices of the ILLEGALS?

Only in America do we listen and support ILLEGALs. No other country in the world tolerates people coming into their country illegally.

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Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: May 28 2010 at 10:02am
never mind folks, you're still not getting my point.  (banging head against the wall)  I'm not saying they should be here.   Heck, I don't care if we put a fence up.  What I'm saying is whether part of our emotion to this problem is race-based, i.e. they look different than us.  That's all I'm saying.  Jeez....


Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: May 28 2010 at 10:24am
What point would that be Bill, THAT WE ARE ALL RACIST BASTARDS, BECAUSE WE EXPECT PEOPLE TO FOLLOW THE LAW.   Come on Bill.
 
I think most of us have answered your "race-based" scenario.  For most if not all here it is the Legal issue and if it was Race Based as Wasteful said, Why wouldn't there be a backlash against Legal Immigration also by a significant number of people.  Are there people who look at this as a Race Issue I am sure there are, but I don't believe it is the overwhelming issue against Illegal Immigration.
 
The overwhelming issues are:
 
Legality
Cost to the taxpayer $12 billion a year to educate children of illegal immigrants, $1 Billion a year in Health care costs, etc.,
Crime Phoenix is now the Kidnapping capital of the USA with 1 a day due to Drug and Illegal Immigrants.
 ETC. ETC. ETC.
 
Bill there is no free ride and Illegal Immigrants should have to abide by the same rules as everyone else. 
 
When I lived in Foreign countries I played by their rules and you think we are tough here.  In some of those countries you get shot going over the borders illegally back then.  Get caught with Drugs and you will be lucky to ever be seen again in some countries.  Here we moan and groan when a prisoner gets a hang nail.
 


Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: May 28 2010 at 10:36am
no Pac, I wouldn't want to bring out any thoughts that might make us question ourselves and our emotional reactions.  That would be unAmerican.  After all, one thing we do very well in this country is feel very sure of ourselves and self-righteous. 


Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: May 28 2010 at 10:43am
Bill you don't seem to get it.  Personally I am not questioning myself or my thoughts or my emotions on this issue.  I deal with a significant number of Mexican and Central American immigrants on a daily basis in my business.  I treat them as I treat any other customer.  I have no clue whether the majority of them are here legally or not.  They are very loyal customers and once you develop a relationship with them they keep coming back, which is a lot more than I can say of some American citizens.  The ones that don't speak English usually bring someone with them that does, sometimes that is just a 10 year old child and we get along fine and do business and chat just fine.
 
Bill there is no Big Bad Boogey Man lurking in the closet for many of us.  Why you insist there is I don't get.


Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: May 28 2010 at 10:58am
Bill from reading all the remarks, I think you are the only one that has an issue of the race.  It is not brought about to punish or get rid of any certain race.  It is for the protection of all the citizens that are here now.  There are so many issues coming across the southern border, criminal issues that we have to take a stand now.  The drugs alone is a big problem, but now you add the terrorists that are using this as a way into the United States.  So be it if people get offended - I don't like to show my drivers license when I go to the bank every week - but I do. 
 
There are stupid laws in every state that not everyone is going to agree with.  But they are there for a reason.  IMO, I do not feel that anyone outside of Arizona has any right to say that this law was not needed.  You don't know unless you live there.  The only thing that this law did was bring a federal law down to a state level. 


Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: May 28 2010 at 1:40pm
Bobbie, I'm not saying anyone on this board has a racial issue but I tend to think that when you look at the general public and the vehemence of some of the responses to this issue, I wonder how much of that is based on the proclaimed reasons of "fairness" and "following the law" or if a little of the response is due to skin color.  You think I'm an apologist for the illegals, but again we're talking about different issues here.  I know this is a big problem and I'm for stronger enforcement, serious penalties, and more fencing if need be.  And I sure don't care what President Calderon down in Mexico thinks about it either.  I'm just saying that it would be an interesting psychology study to see how much of our opinions on a subject are tied, at least in part, to our view of others who look different than us.  Everyone on this thread just gives the same old knee-jerk defensiveness about their belief.  But I'm talking about something different.  Let's let this thread die and move on.


Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: May 28 2010 at 2:46pm
Bill you are giving us the same Left knee jerk reaction that the Democratic party gives time and time again, must be a racist tendency in this matter, can't be anything else.  Then when it looks like it might be something else for some you can't stand the facts and call everyone a Republican Talking Head or these are typical knee jerk reactions.
 
Because people don't fit into your little mold, they are wrong.
 
Man you have that leftist knee jerk stuff real bad.   Adiós Amigo.


Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: May 28 2010 at 7:23pm
Wasteful, never mind.  You apparently can't read.  Boy, this MUSA is sure a closed minded group of idealogues who read into my posts whatever they want to believe.  Bye folks.


Posted By: Bocephus
Date Posted: May 28 2010 at 9:07pm
Originally posted by Bill Bill wrote:

Wasteful, never mind.  You apparently can't read.  Boy, this MUSA is sure a closed minded group of idealogues who read into my posts whatever they want to believe.  Bye folks.
We get sick of the same old liberal line of us being racist because we don't like the fact that 30 million illegals have invaded our Country.Only thing I can say is: Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out and say hi to el presidente obama on the way out.
 
Thank you


Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: May 29 2010 at 2:18am
Bo - where in the world did you get that dang avatar ?!!
 
I sit here for 45 minutes trying to kill that damn BUG ON MY SCREEN !!!  LOL


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Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: May 29 2010 at 6:01am

Bill:

Even though I have followed it with great interest, because of unrelated reasons I have chosen to stay out of this discussion until now.

I can only speak for myself, give my own observations, and provide the conclusions that I have reached.

I am probably one of (if not the) most conservative persons that regularly participates in this forum. Both of my parents were first generation Americans. My grandparents were from Italy and Serbo-Croatia. All of my grandparents were proud to be Americans, learned the language, tried to learn the customs, and I never heard any of them claim to be any sort of “hyphenated” American even though they all spoke with fairly heavy accents and tried to teach us about “the old country” until the days that they died.

One of my very closest, most trusted friends claims to be a liberal and always bragged (until the last 10 or 12 months) that he has always voted a straight Democratic ticket. I even consider Viet Vet a friend and would come to his aid in a heartbeat.

I have worked on many projects with expatriates from Germany, Austria, Korea, Japan and Italy. During these projects, I not only worked with these folks, but also traveled with them and socialized with them. Most of them became good friends, and I felt a tinge of sadness when we parted ways. I took them “under my wing” to keep them from danger or embarrassment due to their being “different” while they were here in America, and they did the same for me on occasions when I had to go to their countries.

I’ve lived for three years on the south side of Chicago, nearly three years just outside of Los Angeles, and three years in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, and have lived and worked as well in ethnic areas nearly everywhere else around the country. I was a bachelor until age 44, and have dated legal immigrants and American citizens of nearly every ethnic background.

I have stood up for complete strangers being harassed in bars solely due to ethnicity, and even taken an a$$-whipping in the process.

I say all of that to try to lend some credence when I say that I do not consider myself to be bigoted (except towards fools and bigots).

With all of that having been said, I feel compelled to make a few observations.

First, you seem to have the ridiculous view that all conservatives are racists. That is such a stupid generalization that it deserves no further comment.

Next, you seem to imply that conservatives are opposed to illegal immigrants only because they are “different” than we are, and that if they were not “different”, we would not be opposed to their illegality. America is a melting pot. Exactly which illegal immigrants are you aware of that are NOT different, and from where did they come? If they are NOT different, I would estimate that the odds are about 100 million to one that they are either A) an exiled American trying to sneak back in; or B) a KGB-trained spy who for some reason is not welcome as a defector.

As a young man, when I went to Boston most of the people I met were different. Some of them I liked, some I did not. The same occurred a few years later when I moved to Southern California, and again when I moved from there to Oklahoma. (The folks in Oklahoma were not only different from me, they were very different from the folks that I had just left in California.) Yet, in each of these places, I met some people that I liked, and some that I did not.

Would you care to discuss the time I spent in Japan? NONE of the people that I met there were immigrants (they were all natural-born Japanese citizens), they were all very different, yet some I liked, and some I did not. Some liked me, some did not--even though I entered their country legally and tried, to the best of my ability, not to offend anyone, break any of their laws, seek any special treatment, or take advantage of any of their social services. (Do you think those Japanese who disliked me must have been “conservative Japanese”?)

My suggestion to you would be to try to lose some of your pre-conceived prejudices against conservatives, and judge each of us on the content of our character.



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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012



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