ARMBRUSTER: Sunset Park Pool Vs. Dog Park??
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Topic: ARMBRUSTER: Sunset Park Pool Vs. Dog Park??
Posted By: Nelson R. Self
Subject: ARMBRUSTER: Sunset Park Pool Vs. Dog Park??
Date Posted: Feb 09 2010 at 6:08am
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By http://www.ohio-share.coxnewsweb.com/incoming/ryan-gauthier-305962.html - Ryan Gauthier , Staff Writer, Middletown Journal, 10:40 PM Monday, February 8, 2010
The pool at Sunset Park may be closed to two-legged customers indefinitely, but if one councilman has his way it will be packed with dogs instead.
Jim Armbruster, 1st Ward councilman, said the idea of a dog park has been barking around the city for close to 15 years. While absolutely nothing has been set in stone, Armbruster said he would like to see the pool at Sunset Park filled with dirt to provide a set space for dogs and their owners to socialize. “This is something we have been talking about since I first got on the park board,” Armbruster said. “Any way you look at it, this community needs some sort of dog park.” The idea resurfaced during City Council’s annual retreat late last month, when members asked City Manager Judy Gilleland to work on a feasibility study and report staff findings back to them. Because the area surrounding Sunset Pool is already fenced in and well lit, Armbruster said it would reduce the work necessary to convert it to a dog-friendly zone. Throw in the existing bathroom and concession facilities and Armbruster said suddenly Middletown is host to a top-notch attraction for area dog owners. The baby pool at the park could be retained to provide a place for dogs to cool off in the summertime as well, he said. And while the natural question then becomes what Middletown will do about a pool, he said the city should consider going with a more centrally-located spot than Sunset Park for a new aquatic facility. “We need to bring it out into a better location for our residents,” Armbruster said. “Or we could consider possibly doing a regional pool to share in Butler County with neighboring cities. There are a lot of possibilities.” But according to Armbruster, the best effect of creating a dedicated place for dogs to play is a lot more subtle. “People are always complaining about dog poop in Sunset and Smith parks,” he said. “This would hopefully solve that as well.” Second Ward Councilman A.J. Smith said he thinks a dog park would be a “tremendous asset and amenity for the community.” “People love their pets,” Smith said. “If they can bring their pets to a park, sit down and congregate on a nice spring day — it just doesn’t get much better than that.”
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Feb 09 2010 at 7:02am
THIS IS FANTASTIC!!!!! Jimmy Armbruster has taken up the torch for a doggy park, socialization and poop control. He wants to fill in Sunset Pool so the doggies and their owners can "socialize"!!! Oh, this is better than the comedy channel.  So, Jimmy, there's not enough land for all the owners and their dogs in and around Sunset Park, that we need to fill in the pool and have the area RIGHT THERE? So, the Park Board has been talking about a doggy park for years? "Anyway you look at it, this city needs some sort of doggy park". You betcha! Gosh, that's an important topic for this town and certainly is way up the list as to dire needs for our community Jimmy! Much more important than road repair, jobs, Section 8 control- no doubt!  A "dog friendly zone"? Jimmy suggested that the baby pool could be used to cool off the dogs in the summertime! Could the city hire some doggy water therapy specialists? How about a doggy lifeguard at city expense? Jimmy- you old brainstormer you! Thank goodness for thinking outside the box by the 'Brusterman. Why can't the rest of Council come up with ideas like this?   This guy is invaluable on Council and is a diamond among rocks on idea creation. Thanks 1st Ward voters!
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Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: Feb 09 2010 at 8:31am
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1.Now this doggy park being used for socializing, will people without dogs be allowed to socialize with those that have dogs while at the park ?
2. Will the park be free or will there be a service fee to cover clean up of excrement & the doggy pool ?
3.And how often if at all will the city police be checking ID tags & dog license at the park ?
4.And if a dog refuses to show ID or a license will he/she be tazed ?
5.Can the city get any HUD funds or other federal government money to help build this park ?
6.And how many jobs will be created and what will the duration of these jobs be while under construction ?
7. Since this will be a dog park will a new commission or board be created to oversee this park ?
8.What will be the annual projected expense of upkeep ?
9.Will city council create a barking ordinance for this park ?
Lots of questions here people,lots and lots of questions.
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Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Feb 09 2010 at 9:34am
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I think I liked it better when Jim didn’t talk. That’s just what I want on a Sunday morning (peoples one day to sleep in) a 100 dogs barking. ------------- Call me for a www.CameraSecurityNow.com" rel="nofollow - www.CameraSecurityNow.com quote 513-422-1907 x357 |
Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: Feb 09 2010 at 9:52am
| that house on the hill above the pool just dropped in value from $10k to about 32 cents. |
Posted By: 409
Date Posted: Feb 09 2010 at 10:11am
WOW !
This is great !
Living to the east of Sunset Park, I can't wait for a warm summer day and the prevailing westerly winds to carry the aromatic, gut-wrenching, acrid smell of dogsh** through the neighborhood. Great for grill-outs!!!!  ------------- Every morning is the dawn of a new error... |
Posted By: 409
Date Posted: Feb 09 2010 at 10:18am
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I forgot to add......As Bill said, I can just see our property values skyrocketing with this wonderful new amenity! ------------- Every morning is the dawn of a new error... |
Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Feb 09 2010 at 11:18am
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I can just see people come from all over to visit our dog park, who cares if the schools are in shambles and there are no jobs….they have a dog park. ------------- Call me for a www.CameraSecurityNow.com" rel="nofollow - www.CameraSecurityNow.com quote 513-422-1907 x357 |
Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Feb 09 2010 at 12:28pm
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Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: Feb 09 2010 at 1:39pm
Randy - See number 9 of my post above
Will there be a feasibility study done by an outside source on this park ? If so,what will the cost be ?
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randy wrote:Posted By: Bocephus
Date Posted: Feb 09 2010 at 3:23pm
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I thought this was a joke when I first read it but sadly they are serious,sounds like they were passing around the "kool-aid" that night. |
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Feb 10 2010 at 7:03am
As Far as the "champaign and caviar crowd": I don't think that this property is zoned properly for a use such as this, so before this can pass the zoning board, I'm sure that crowd will have Kohler include regulations that restrict the facility to only purebred pooches registered with the American Kennel Club. After all, the owners of curs, mutts, strays, and other "common" type animals can't expect to have those brutes mingle with the high-class hounds, nor will the elite who want to meet want the commoners using "their" restrooms or "refreshment area". And who knows what kind of riff-raff from the lower class areas of Sunset Park may think that they may be entitled to use these faciilities to buy a cold drink or answer a nature call. Nope, Kohler will have to see to it that restrictions are in place.
Next, I am sure that we will be seeing law suits filed charging discrimination, and justifiably so, at least in my view. After all, cats have rights, too, and this is blatantly unfair to felines!!! How dare city council favor dogs with such benefits while cats continue to suffer, and NO, seperate but equal facilitites will NOT suffice!!! Cats MUST have completely equal access to ALL animal parks in our fair city without fear of harassment, threats, or violence, either physical, vocal, or emotional.
As far as AJ, I don't understand what I should be getting on his case about. I'm sure that Rev. Tyus and his buds will look at this just as they looked at Sunset Pool, and they will be telling AJ: "No dog park at Sunset unless Douglass gets one also." And this time free bus passes will not work---only service dogs are permitted on public transit vehicles. ------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Posted By: Bocephus
Date Posted: Feb 10 2010 at 7:43am
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Posted By: Nick_Kidd
Date Posted: Feb 10 2010 at 10:24am
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Mike, I think that the first thing the city would do is have at least three studies done. All studies would have to be done by California companies at a cost of $40,000 to $100,000 each (the reason for three studies is so they can chose the one that most nearly agrees with their ideas). Next they would have to have the braintrusts in the city building set up all the rules that you wrote about. Then there would have to be a new dept. set up and a dept. head hired. Then they would have to hire a dept. director, an assistant dept. director, an assistant for the assistant, a dept. manager, an assistant dept. manager etc., etc., etc. Then they would have to contract out the rule enforcment to keep the riff-raff out. Then they would contract out the food service and sales of clean-up supplies. Then they would have to hire another police officer to cite anyone not following all their rules. Then they would have to hire someone to lock up at 3:00 P.M. (You can tell from the cemetery that it could not be open after 3:00 P.M. So a free dog park run by the City of Middletown should not cost more than $5 to $10 million a year and be open five to six hours a day five days a week (again check the cemetery hours). ------------- Government is not the answer to problems, government is the problem. |
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Feb 10 2010 at 10:44am
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Mr. Kidd:
RIGHT you are!!!
Of course the dog park must be locked at night!!! I forgot all about that. So, If there is no one available to lock or unlock the cemetery After 3:00 pm or on weekends, the dog park would have to keep the SAME HOURS!!! ------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Feb 10 2010 at 3:04pm
 I must tell you that the first complaint phone calls I received when they started locking the gates at the cemetery at 3pm was from a lady who takes her 3 big dogs for a run in the cemetery every day. In fact many people run their dogs at the cemetery…They have 11 acres...Why do we need a doggie park when they can't take care of the cemetery?
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Posted By: Nelson R. Self
Date Posted: Feb 10 2010 at 3:14pm
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Miss Vivian -
Good luck in March when you (hopefully) will put one of Middletown's most arrogant ever senior City staff members in their place at the Historic Pioneer Cemetery hearing in Columbus!
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Posted By: Murdock
Date Posted: Feb 13 2010 at 9:45am
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Im curious VietVet...are you and Mr. Armbruster close, personal friends or do you know him from childhood??
I only ask because you always refer to him as 'Jimmy Armbruster' and I've never heard anyone else call him that or refer to him using that name?! Unless Ive missed roll-call, Ive always heard him referred to as MR. ARMBRUSTER.....NOT JIMMY ARMBRUSTER!!!!!!!!!
So tell me, do you refer to him as Jimmy Armbruster due to the closeness of your relationship, or are you trying to be funny OR is it just out of plain disrespect???
Im only assuming it's out of disrespect and if that's the case, Im very sorry that's how you were raised..........but please correct me if Im wrong!!!!
It's one thing to disagree with an elected official, but it's a completey different thing to be disresepectful and condesending when talking to or about that elected official.......with that said, I assume you refer to the President of the United States as PRESIDENT BARRY OBAMA OR do you just call him BARRY?????????????
Mr. Armbruster was re-elected to his 2nd term this past November and is there for another 4 years whether you like it or not......Im sorry the candidate you backed (Gary Barge) was defeated AGAIN by Mr. Armbruster, but he is the elected representative of Ward 1- So move on!!
I encourage you to be more respectful of those that were elected BY THE PEOPLE to REPRESENT THE PEOPLE!!!!!
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Feb 13 2010 at 11:12am
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I'm curious Murdock. Ever hear of freedom of speech? Ever hear the phrase about the people elected working for and doing what the people who elected them want them to do, indicating that the people are the boss because they can decide whether that person stays in office or not? Last time I looked, the boss can do darn near anything they want to people who report to them. Been on the receiving end of that several times. I said Jimmy Armbruster out of disrespect. I never have respected him. Good Lord, look at his performance and contributions to the city since being in that council seat. My perogative on the opinion about him, just as it's yours concerning my behavior. Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
As to calling the President of the United States Barry- haven't done that but could at any time. My perogative as a citizen with free speech, as a voter who can help remove him from or keep him in office. I've said a he-- of alot worse about the Bushes, the Boehners, the Pelosi's and the Reid's of the political world than to call them by their first names. My perogative- free speech just as you have. No, hardly friends with Armbruster nor do I know him from childhood. Simply no respect for him. You wrote "It's one thing to disagree with an elected official, but it's a completely different thing to be disrespectful and condescending when talking to or about that elected official......"- Are you kidding me? I'm a product of the baby boomer generation- you know, the people who love to raise he-- and protest, and lived through the social unrest and the demonstrated unpopularity with government. Kent State comes to mind. Protests against the Vietnam War come to mind. Draft card burning comes to mind. My generation defined disrespect and condescending attitudes toward phony government officials, policies and authority. Thank God, the "Leave It To Beaver"/ believe everything the government tells you days died with the advent of my generation. Gotta earn respect to get it. It's not just given because you occupy a seat behind some government desk, bud. Why does such an insignificant thing as a name reference bother you? Does it really matter? Just looking for an argument? If so, you've approached the right person. I love to argue! Oh.... thank you for encouraging me to be more respectful of those that were elected....... When they do something as an elected official to earn my respect, I will acknowledge them. So far, they have failed. Murdock.... you have a nice day! |
Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: Feb 13 2010 at 11:59am
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What an ironic post by MURDOCK, the blogger who excoriated out of disdain and disrepect for Mr. Self, with no consideration and common decency to avoid exposing hospitalization, albeity physical, mental, or both, has the audicity to post such commentary regarding Mr. Armbruster. Talk about calling the kettle black! MURDOK, your unmerciful attacks on Mr. Self and his character, integrity, and suggestion he was an individual whom needed to be committed is without pale in rudeness and common decency, and yet you protect and apparently do the bidding for the city and council. You are to John Edwards, the former Senator, the ndrew Young, the surrogate who did the bidding for him while taking the sword in his love child mess. I likewsie, have no professional respect for Mr. Armbruster, nor the vast majority of city council and city leadership. It is associated with one denominator: incompetence and lack of meaning ful performance and progress. I found it hard to believe Mr. Becker is a final 5 candidate for Warren Cty Emergency. Another double dipper awaiting the next dip, what disgust I find in this policy. Anyone who would have the mean spirit to make a public comment about a man's heatlth in the manner you did is not desreving of a response nor respect. Now go bury your head back in the sand with your friends whom bidding you conduct in drive by shooting assassination.
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Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Feb 13 2010 at 12:29pm
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"Murdock" is very selective in her protocol and outrage, after the way that she has taunted Mr.Self.
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Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: Feb 13 2010 at 1:30pm
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spider, I certainly do not make attempts to make negative personal comments about anyone. i speak only on my view professionally, of council and leadership, and the effect it has had upon me and the citizens of Middletown. I have not met Mr. Self, nor would recognize him if I walked past him. But I don't condone as Limbaugh would say, drive by shooting attacks. Therefore, I was startled to read the comments about 'respect' from one whom had shown disrespect.
There are far more imporatnt issues in Middletown than those whom do others bidding, and those who oppose it. From what I've gathered, it appears many believe the levy in May should be defeated, and the tax increase defeated which comes about in a few years. Others have suggested petitions to elminate current members. I'm with you on strategy: starve the beast.
As for 'outing', it appears obvious the one slamming Mr. Self is a city employee or has close ties, maybe even a council person. I'm worrying about what can be done immediately to rectify the mess, but I don't like the drive by assassin approach.
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Posted By: Kelly
Date Posted: Feb 13 2010 at 1:57pm
| So....evidently acclaro & Murdock are the same lady? |
Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: Feb 13 2010 at 4:00pm
| Hmmm....lets go through the logic of your response Kelly. MURDOCK criticizes Vet for calling Mr. Armbruster 'Jimmie.' I criticiize MURDOK whomever he/ she to be, because the hypocrisy of lambasting Mr. Self, but taking exception to Mr. Armbruster being called 'Jimmie.' I respond to spider who says screen name isn't important but maybe M ought to be outing. I state the issues are the city has serious problems, and drive by assassination is inappropriate. So although my position contracts M, we are one? No, I am me, she is she. Spider probably remembers the lyrics like this from the Beatles song. I am the walrus, I am the ape men, ho cho cho, Come Together. |
Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: Feb 13 2010 at 6:40pm
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Alright kids everyone pickup their toys & go home if you can't play any better than this.
A spanking could be in order but I'm afraid one or more of you might enjoy it a little to much. ------------- No more democrats no more republicans,vote Constitution Party !! |
Posted By: TudorBrown
Date Posted: Feb 14 2010 at 2:09pm
| Is this a joke? Seriously? hahahahahha |
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There are very few small children in this neighborhood and a lot of the families over here take their kids to the Country Club on Aberdeen because the pool has become unsafe.
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First lady Michelle Obama says President Barack Obama "has done a phenomenal job his first year".
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You wanna hear the truth abou this subject and other middletown news. Then look no futher than MiddletownUSA.com
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Why would you get rid of a pool for a dog park? Public pools are an attraction to a community for young families. When things turn around in this town having the pool will be an asset. A dog park will be a huge mistake. What a waste of money...it is waste like this that keeps me from returning to Middletown. It is really sad because there is so much potential for Middletown and your leaders just keep missing the mark.
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GREAT JOB, MAYBE ARMBUSTER WILL WANT THE JOB OF KEEPING THE PARK CLEAN,
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I can't wait to see how the MiddletownUSA apologists spin this one.
There's no need for a dog park. This seems to be a waste of Council's time.
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