What happened in Ward 1 ??
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Topic: What happened in Ward 1 ??
Posted By: Hermes
Subject: What happened in Ward 1 ??
Date Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 8:59am
Not only am I very disappointed this morning but I'm also very confused and bewildered. (plus I have a headache) What happened Ward 1 residents ?!! I talked with several people who said they were voting and they wanted Armbruster out, apparently I talked to the 400 + who voted FOR Armbruster. I almost feel responsible some how and that is very depressing. Could I have done more ? Certainly, but family issues demanded my full attention.
My sympathies are with my choice Gary Barge this morning. Don't give up Gary, we lost this one but we'll have another chance in a few years.
Congragulations to A J Smith and Josh Laubach, job well done !! 
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Posted By: tootie
Date Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 10:02am
I live in Ward 1 too and am really ticked at the voters in this area. The only thing I can figure out it this. Ward 1 encompasses an area that goes from part of Manchester Manor, Arbor Pointe, Wildwood, Lakeside, Maple Park, and down to parts of Garfield, Baltimore, Girard, etc. My guess is the top income half of this ward voted for Armbruster and as you trickle down the income scale the less voters got out and voted. Most of the low income people in the ward either don't care, don't think the city will be any different no matter what, don't want to get involved and the ones that do care aren't strong enough in numbers to make the change. Every one talks about wanting change but I wonder how many actually voted for change. Also when you drive around some of the average and below average income areas the empty houses are too numerous to count. I'm just giving my opinion. I think it is time to "head for the hills"
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Posted By: GMAB
Date Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 10:33am
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I still do not understand the issue many people in the community have with Armbruster. I have read and read all of the blogs over the last few months. To me, it seems as though the only time people had an issue with Armbruster it was following a complaint with Mr. Marconi. With as many new members on council, Armbruster will be the most experienced of the bunch. He has been through the learning curve and has been a middle of the road councilman. At least those of you who live in the first ward have some experience on your side!
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Posted By: tootie
Date Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 10:50am
| I'm only speaking for myself but I can do without Armbruster's experience. According to him it takes 4 years just to learn what he is doing. When Armbruster and Marconi claim to have brought 1000's of jobs to Middletown they must have not realized 1000 + left. I also disagree with Armbruster's stance on closing Sunset Pool but financing Weatherwax golf course. During this election is probably the most lifelike Armbruster has been in a long time. He is still in "old school" mode. We need innovative, creative , new fresh ideas. Being "middle of the road" is not productive. To me that is like saying he will vote which ever way the wind blows whether it is right or not. |
Posted By: Paul Nagy
Date Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 10:51am
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Congratulations to all those candidates that won. I wish you the very best and I know you will all answer with the very best thats in you.
Paul Nagy
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 11:09am
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GMAB- You stated you didn't understand the issues many people in the community have with Armbruster. OK- here we go. Please list for us, the accomplishments/achievements by Armbruster in the last four years. ....................... still waiting.................anything yet?
OK- I'll offer what I observe from this individual. The man is a shallow/ hollow person with little, which is pertinent, to say. For having four years on council, he doesn't demonstrate any convincing apptitude for city affairs. Nor has he given us any indication that he can contribute any significant ideas that will help this city prosper. An empty council chair would give you the same results. All one needs to do is watch him time and time again, function in any given council meeting. He sits, he rocks, he shuffles papers, he does everything but talk and contribute. Normally, the only time you hear him utter a word is in council comments. Even then, he talks about attending a boy scout meeting where they talked about "good stuff", whatever the he-- that is, and attending a frikkin' tree planting somewhere in the city. He is always making generality type statements such as "good things will be coming to the city in 60 or 90 days". Again with the "good things" crap. Experience means nothing if the experienced person doesn't use it, or in Armbruster's case, doesn't know how to use it. No substance. All fluff- nothing concrete to this man. He will never give the 1st Ward people good representation. He is simply not capable of doing so. JMO |
Posted By: GMAB
Date Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 12:35pm
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Wow VietVet! You seem to be sooo defensive on the mention of Armbruster. What, let me guess.... a personal vendetta?? So you would much rather have a loud mouth, ignorant sounding person who doesn't know when to let others speak and share their ideas? You said Mr. Armbruster is "shallow" and "hollow"; you are making yourself sound ignorant by degrading anyone with this sort of reference. Personally, I cannot see eye to eye with Mr. Marconi and often find myself shaking my head every time he speaks. I would never say he is "shallow/hollow" despite the fact I do not like him. For instance, if I had the same demeanor as you, I would spout off that you should run for council since you have all the "frikkin" answers my friend. Oh wait, you choose to sit and blog 1,179 posts in an 18 month time span behind the user name of VietVet (which means we should bow down before you and accept every word you type as the writings of a prophet). Please, I am a war veteran as well. So don't go off on some tangent about how I do not care about the military.... blah blah blah. Get a hold of yourself and quit crying and complaining- make MiddletownUSA a site where everyone can collaborate their own thoughts and ideas without it turning into a site where men such as yourself sound as though you forgot to take your meds. What’s done is done. We have new council member as well as a returning veteran. I have lived in several parts of this country and never have come across a town where most of the citizens are negative. I am not going to live in Middletown forever. It is up to citizens such as yourself to stop being a part of the problem and become part of the solution (I'm certain you have no idea how to do this giving you past posts on this forum). So what are you going to do VietVet? Continue to pick up a Kleenex everyday and wallow in your miserable existence of sitting home all day on MUSA?? How about looking at the glass as though it were half full?? Come on people, Middletown has more than its fair share of problems. We all have to take a bite of this sandwich together. Maybe the negative citizens are the problem (bet you didn’t think about that). Ok, now it’s your turn once again to wahhhhhhh............................... |
Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 12:48pm
Experience ? GMAB could you please elaborate ? As I've stated before,if Mr. Armbruster operated his business the way he operates on council he would be filing for bankruptcy. The old money people are the problem with Middeltown. They've either ran it from council or they were behind council. The old ways are history, it doesn't work in todays world, fresh ideas and fresh thinking is whats called for. I have no grudge with Mr. Armbruster, but when you step into the spotlight and perform as he has it's time for a new actor. As Vet and others have requested but no one can produce is list his accomplishments as a councilman. What has he done for the residents of Ward 1 ? I live in Ward 1 and I can say he has done nothing ! I'm not even sure why Mr. Armbruster is even on council. I assume his business is doing good and he has some free time on his hands, which is good he has been in business a very long time and probably deserves some time of his own.
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GMAB wrote:Posted By: LMAO
Date Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 12:57pm
| I too would like to know what the all mighty Jimbo has done for this town? Absouletly nothing. His hands are In McCoys pockets just like the rest of them. |
Posted By: warmandfuzzy
Date Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 1:15pm
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I applaud you GMAB. You are certainly a much needed breath of fresh air on this blog. I don't particularly care for Jim Armbruster either, but to read some of the posts on this forum, you'd think he had 666 tattooed somewhere on his body.
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Posted By: LMAO
Date Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 1:20pm
Since you 2 praise the man again can you inform us what he has done for this city? Also have you 2 ever been to a meeting?Not watching on T.V. gone in person
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Posted By: warmandfuzzy
Date Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 1:55pm
| LMAO. please read what I actually posted, instead of reading into it. I plainly stated that I did not care for Mr.Armbruster. |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 2:17pm
| GMAB- no, not defensive at all toward Armbruster. No "vendetta". Just don't think he has demonstrated a use on Council, that's all. As far as calling him shallow and hollow- gee GMAB, such tender ears you have. This is mild for me. You should hear me when I'm really piss-- off. So you're a war veteran? What war? Tell us a little about your military experiences. We all like the military here. Congratulations and thank you for your service. Having all the answers? Never claimed I did. As a matter of fact, I have said on many occasions that I learn a great deal from the research and opinions on this site.MIght even learn a thing or two from you. I don't claim to have all the answers for if I did, I would have been much more successful than I am. Oh, and by the way, I don't sit here all day hanging on the MUSA blog. Writings of a prophet- comical. Never have enticed anyone to follow my lead on my ideas. Never have said my way was the only way either. I only want people to offer there opinions as you are doing here. I enjoy an occasional verbal confrontation. Not really on any meds GMAB. Health is good and don't need any "artificial stimulants" to get me through the day. I've been here since 1948. Seen alot of good times and bad. Frustrated the way things are going right now with the town. How long have you lived here in town? Relative newcomer? There's a reason why most of the citizens are negative. Didn't use to be near as bad as now. Look at your city leaders and the wrong direction this town is being taken, your economic development director and the lack of jobs and hope, your welfare town mentality with all the Section 8 flooding this town. Is there any wonder there is an abundance of angry, negative people living here? This is a classic cause and effect. When the city leaders cause misery on the people, the effect is that the people are either angry or depressed or a combo of the two. Nice talking to you GMAB. Keep up the discussion. Perhaps we can agree on a few issues in the future. |
Posted By: Marianne
Date Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 4:04pm
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It doesn't surprise me that Armbruster won re-election. It was my sense that Barge was never seen as anything more than "that canal guy" to many voters. Armbruster has significant name recognition because of his business; he offers a "feel good" agenda that - while criticized by many here - won't risk rocking the boat and dissuading voters from supporting him. I'm not sure Barge articulated clearly to voters what he would do differently than Armbruster. Although I respect Barge's decision not to accept campaign contributions - except for as he notes a gift from a good friend - it's probably not the most effective way to run a campaign in this town. As it's been shown before and demonstrated in this election, you need money and supporters willing to canvas for you (Smith). As it's been also shown, you don't need to outspend the other guy just to win (Laubach). |
Posted By: tootie
Date Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 4:19pm
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Well now maybe the "flower guy" can help "the canal guy" since the canal is in Armbruster's ward anyway. And after watching the forums I don't believe the canal was brought up until the last one( I could be wrong but if so I missed that discussion) I have lived in the first ward for a long time and I know "the flower guy" hasn't done a thing about the canal. If Mr Barge gets something done with it that will be more than anyone else has.
It is a shame that people have to spend good money to get a council seat in this town and that because your name is bigger than the other guy people assume you are the better choice. Since Armbruster won we will not have the opportunity to know if someone else could have done better. I'll repeat myself from another blog--some candidates may not be the most polished speaker but it's not easy to express all your thoughts in 2 minutes or less. That doesn't mean they wouldn't do a good job.
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Posted By: Marianne
Date Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 4:41pm
I have in mind Mr. Barge's appearances before City Council in the past, which, at least at the ones I attended, all concerned the canal. Nothing wrong with that, but it wouldn't surprise me if many voters made that association regardless of what he said at the forums. Someone asked what happened in Ward 1, and rather than give a snide - yet accurate answer (similar in tone to the question, "Why did x football team lose?") that Armbruster received more votes, I was suggesting one possibility. I wish we had some exit polls. Ha. |
Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 5:05pm
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As usual, NOTHING happened in Ward 1
Just like NOTHING has ever happened towards a fix for the canal mess(in Ward 1).
Just like NOTHING good has happened to settle the Pioneer Cemetary dispute(in Ward 1).
Just like NOTHING has happened in Ward 1 over the last 4 years.
Just like NOTHING will come out of Ward 1 for the next four years.
Personally I like and respect Mr.Armbruster as a person,businessman and family man.
Just don't care for him as my Council Ward rep.
Put the gloating and bitterness away, people.
The sun rose this morning and hopefully will do the same tomorrow.
We WILL make the results work for the betterment of our community.
Some may be VERY surprised as to how the ward elimination can play out for the betterment of EVERYONE.
Turn your lemons into lemonade!!
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Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 5:52pm
Spider - your absolutely right. There will be other elections and other candidates. The sun will rise tomorrow regardless.
I like to turn my lemons into Jack & coke if thats ok. 
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Posted By: wannaknow
Date Posted: Nov 05 2009 at 9:45am
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I am very disappointed that Gary Barge did not win the seat for Ward 1. I encouraged everyone in this Ward to vote because we need change, someone who actually comes down to this end of Ward 1, you know, the ghetto section, and can see first hand what has happened over the past few years.
I don't know Mr. Armbruster personally and I'm not here to bash him GMAB. I am telling you what I see in my neighborhood everyday. You can walk or drive through Ward 1 and see how it has declined under the care (or lack of) by Mr. Armbruster. Spiderjohn is right about the inattention to the Pioneer Cemetary, Mr. Armbruster should have screamed outrage at the lack of respect shown to all buried there. It is ethically as well as legally wrong. The city's vindictive behavior in removing the flowers should have been curtailed by him. As Ward councilman he should have stood up to the rest of the "good old boys'.
Look at all the empty houses and businesses. There is garbage everywhere, even in the new revitalised downtown. The Riverside trailer park has been an eyesore as well as a health issue for years. I'm not sure they even have water there. All the empty half-boarded up trailers are a haven for the homeless and drug abusers.
What happened with AK and Midd. Regional Airport? Why is there no light on the flag at the post office? Does he ever leave his "almost" 3rd Ward home and see what has happened to the area he is supposed to represent?
And if you want to bring up the "canal" man . . . .who else gives a crap that the canal was full of trash and stagnant water. That we all risk the dangers of West Nile Virus because the city doesn't spray like they should. They probably even have govt. dollars to do that, and don't. I'm not sure about those 1000 jobs he supposed helped to bring to the city. I see a lot of foreclosures. I know I am afraid to drive down Central Ave. because of all the crackheads and prostitutes. Walking is an added risk because of all the cracks in the pavement and trash everywhere.
I am not bashing. I was born here, this is my home, I want to be proud of it. It breaks my heart that so little is being done. It's like we are on a downward spiral in reality and the ppl who have the power to make a difference just think about their own betterment. It reminds me of the Wizard of Oz when the Wizard is behind the curtain saying for Dorothy and the gang to ignore the man behind the curtain. They are telling us to paint our garages, put new storefronts up, and flowers, of course and pay no attention to what the city is becoming.
I don't know that Gary Barge would have solved all the issues but he would have put forth an effort which is more than we have seen in the past. That isn't being negative, that is just the plain old truth, another lost commodity.
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Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Nov 05 2009 at 10:29am
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As usual, NOTHING happened in Ward 1 Just like NOTHING has ever happened towards a fix for the canal mess(in Ward 1). Just like NOTHING good has happened to settle the Pioneer Cemetary dispute(in Ward 1). Just like NOTHING has happened in Ward 1 over the last 4 years. Just like NOTHING will come out of Ward 1 for the next four years. Doesn’t the truth matter in this town anymore?
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Posted By: bell jar
Date Posted: Nov 05 2009 at 10:52am
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As a resident of Ward 1, I received a lot of literature from Mr. Armbruster's campaign. Also, someone from his campaign went door-to-door in the Manchester Manor area when he had to petition to get back on the ballot.
Did Mr. Barge campaign in the Manchester Manor area? I know that he stated that he used his own funds for his campaign, but this may have made a difference.
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Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Nov 05 2009 at 10:57am
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Why Can't The City Do The Right Thing 4:30 PM Tuesday, November 3, 2009
Well, I guess it is obvious now that our city is being run by petty autocrats. How many of you did it take to decide to destroy the flower beds at the historic Pioneer Cemetery? The bulbs and plants, mulch, etc., were donated by many local businesses and individuals, and the labor was performed by volunteers. There’s no doubt as to the reason — this was the most hurtful thing that could legally be done to get back at those who are causing difficulties for the city management. (It was) Revenge because you are going to have to answer for the neglect of the city’s legal duty to care for this property. There were no overgrown flower beds that I could see and I drove through the cemetery several times during the summer. Anyway, aren’t “overgrown” flowers preferable to overgrown weeds and brush? A few summers ago, city trucks were provided to haul away the weeds and brush cut by volunteer laborers. Now the flowers are removed so “it will be easier to cut the grass.” Why not just remove the tombstones? (It would be) much easier to mow then. Of course, that would be illegal, so it won’t happen. But what’s going to be next to go? The flagpole and its surrounding bed? The new trees, one of which my late husband and I paid for, to honor his family members buried there? The new fence and gates the city paid for or the water faucet it installed so that plants could be watered with a hose? Of course, the city had the lawful right to take out the flower beds, but it certainly was not the right thing to do. It’s actions like these that are so harmful to our city’s image. Why can’t you people do the right thing for a change?
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Posted By: GMAB
Date Posted: Nov 05 2009 at 5:17pm
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Simply stated, I served as part of the surface fleet in the USN as part of the Anti Submarine Warfare community. Lived in Southern California for several years and then moved to Middletown (originally from the west side of Cincy). Hermes- Progressive thinking??? I lived in California- the most progressive state. I have a fundamental understanding of forward thinking and the positive changes that are a direct result. Middletown is old school in many, many ways.
LMAO- Did you not read my post??? Where did I praise Armbruster? I spoke of the personal jabs people throw towards council members. At least read what was written if you are going to make a lame attempt at criticizing my post.
 Why should it matter if I attend council meetings?? Let me ask you this.... How often do you speak with members of council? I speak with members of council quite regularly. I watch the meetings on TV. Maybe you should call and speak with members of council. Just what are your expectations of a ward representative? It sounds like to me that ward 1 is full of selfish citizens. I live in ward 4. Should I fit into MUSA by blogging trash talk about Schiavonne?? I personally do not care what he specifically does within the ward. Money is scarce in this town (especially compared to where I lived in California). I look at the city of Middletown as a whole. The issues brought forth at council meetings are voted on collectively because they affect the city. What drastic changes do you expect to see in ward 1? Tootie- Why are you so upset over the pool? Hardly anyone used it. Quit looking at your neighborhood and start thinking of the entire city. Just admit it people; no matter who represents ward 1 all of you would find something to whine about on this site. The pope himself could fill the first ward seat and everyone would still gripe and complain.
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Posted By: MMM
Date Posted: Nov 05 2009 at 10:31pm
I live in WARD 1 and I don't think the Upper or Top Income Voters can take the responsibility of keeping Jim Armbruster in  I believe it's most likely a combination of either wanting Jim in; Name recognition; Not knowing what the person running stands for, etc. * If people vote any other way than really wanting a certain person in, as they stand @ the voting booth, they should leave it blank ~ Not knowing why you vote can be a disaster  One other thought: Some people don't like change, they just may be afraid of what change would bring and feel that at least they know what they will be getting ~ more of the same ~ Let's hope the 3 new people voted in will help lead this City in a better direction 
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Posted By: Murdock
Date Posted: Nov 06 2009 at 6:49am
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JAMES E. ARMBRUSTER 1253 61.27% GARY LEE BARGE 792 38.73% That's what happened in Ward 1.....the 'canal guy' got his butt kicked!!!!
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Nov 06 2009 at 8:10am
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GMAB- you stated in an earlier post that you were in a war. You stated that you were in the Navy surface fleet-Anti Submarine Warfare community. Just curious- were you off the coast of Vietnam? Were you in the Persian Gulf? I would like to share some experiences if you were a Nam vet. The Persian Gulf War was after my time in.
I see that you get somewhat "agitated" when some of us criticize the city leaders. You know as well as I do that when one places themself in the public spotlight, they are subjecting themselves to public scrutiny and therefore, public ridicule. It goes along with the territory. You call it "trash talk". We call it "criticizing and holding accountable". Marconi is my 3rd Ward rep (for a while), and I talk to Tony all the time, either in person or on the phone. I have spoken at city council meetings and have written Letters To The Editor. I also attend community meetings. I am as involved as time will allow. If you find this site so distasteful, and believe that we go overboard on the criticism of city officials, why do you post and return discussion on a repetitive basis? You do have the option of just "walking away" as all who disagree do. |
Posted By: Gary Barge
Date Posted: Nov 07 2009 at 7:20pm
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Hey Murdock,
Once again I will remind you I do not hide behind screen names like you do. This years election if you don't already know had a very low turnout. If I had the good ol' boys backing me I would have won this hands down. Once again I financed this out of my own pocket without any campaign contributions from the good ol boys club. Not by any means did Mr Armbruster win by a landslide. I am sure he was on pins and needles until the final precincts reported. This was what was told to me by a very reliable source. OOPS! I mean by a person that was in the room during the election results with the Armburster camp. So once again feel free to contact me with any questions you may have. I look forward to you running for election in the next two years since you seem to have the answers to everything. Did not see your name on the ballot. Once again name all the positive things and jobs that Mr Armbruster himself brought to this town. You still have not answered this question that has been asked of you by many bloggers. For your information when I ran in 07 I did not use the canal during my campaign and didn't use the canal during the 09 election until a direct question was asked about the canal by one of the panelist at the 4th and final forum. So if you don't mind, my name is Gary Barge, not "the canal guy". What is your real name? Never mind I already know. You speak of many subjects like you are in the land of Oz. Even though the lion asked for courage he did not hide behind his tail when the great and wonderful Oz spoke
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Posted By: tootie
Date Posted: Nov 07 2009 at 7:47pm
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GMAB
I said I disagreed with Armbrusters stance on the pools. I didn't say I was so terribly upset by that. Closing the pool has been discussed many times before. I don't see why you say to stop thinking of my neighborhood and think of the whole city. First the pool isn't in my neighborhood so that has no bearing. Second, the pool is about the whole city. And no matter if the pool is public or private the weather has a bearing on attendance just like the golf course. What amenities do we have to entice someone to move here besides the golf course. Splash pads at 2 local parks. 1 movie theater, Only my opinion but I would privatize the pool, golf course and sell the airport and any other city owned property that couldn't pay for itself within approx. 5 years. Common sense
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Posted By: tootie
Date Posted: Nov 07 2009 at 7:53pm
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Murdock, I guess if you have enough money you can buy all the "flower power" you want. |
Posted By: Murdock
Date Posted: Nov 12 2009 at 5:37am
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Hey Gary.....
Losing an election almost 2 to 1 is pretty close to a landslide. You lost because you had nothing to offer- it had nothing to do with money or the good old boys....just face it, YOU LOST...now get over it and get our canal fixed!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Nov 12 2009 at 6:31am
Might be time to start going to the Council meetings and having a number of people speak at the comments portion. Armbruster seems to have gotten off lightly during these comments in the past. Perhaps we could all take a subject such as the canal asking Armbruster what his plans are for dealing with it and asking him why he hasn't given Mr. Barge and the Wilbraham Road folks any support on resolving the issue all these years. Any other subjects related to the 1st Ward could be asked of Armbruster as well. It would be interesting to see how old Jimmy A. handles the barrage of questions related to his responsibility. To date, he's been fairly quiet and hasn't fielded alot of questions related to his ward. Let's wake him up! 
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Posted By: LMAO
Date Posted: Nov 12 2009 at 10:02am
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The subject of the canal has me on the fence. What I understand is that they are going to flow it down near Smith Park. Again here we go putting the kids in danger again.The council allowed for the land to be re-zoned behinde a Elemeantary School for SUNCHOKE. Im still prying that that wont happen.Its time for the places that pollute the land pay for there mistakes.
As In waking Mr.JIMBO,its going to take alot of dynamite. But every meeting ought to be packed with people that want answer's.
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Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Nov 12 2009 at 11:17am
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Please don't forget that the Middletown Cemetery is in Ward 1 also and Mr. Armbruster hasn't helped me solve this problem either. So it seems that he has 2 big hot button issues going on in his ward.
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Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Nov 12 2009 at 9:53pm
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Now that hooligans have set fires near the water tower in ARMBRUSTER'S WARD, perhaps there should be a "Manchester Manor Historic District" movement to help control crime in that area too. ------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Posted By: LMAO
Date Posted: Nov 13 2009 at 9:01am
But neither one of you answered the Question. What has Jimbo done for this city?
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Posted By: LMAO
Date Posted: Nov 13 2009 at 9:12am
I have spoke to Jimbo and Mr.Marconi. I have attended meetings and have spoke up. I had a issue with them allowing a Baseball team take over our park that is nearby my house and of course they said they will be on top of it. Well since they have been on top of it this we have more traffic,we have speeders that think this road is the Daytona 500. They built them a parking lot,but they feel as they own the road so they park on it. Before this was all to be taken we was told that they leased it out to this team. So if they leased it out why is the city still taking care of it? Also what happen to what all this team promised? Same place where all the rest of the stuff this city has promised. On the back burner. Im just sick and tired of them saying one thing and doing another. If I was the all mighty Spokeman Alan McCoy things would roll.
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Posted By: GMAB
Date Posted: Nov 14 2009 at 10:40am
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LMAO- I will be sure to talk to "Jimbo" and Mr. Marconi about folks speeding on your street. LOL Would like the two of them to stand outside of your house with a radar gun??? HaHa
Vietvet- "If you find this site so distasteful, and believe that we go overboard on the criticism of city officials, why do you post and return discussion on a repetitive basis? You do have the option of just "walking away" as all who disagree do." Thanks for proving my point. You and a few others would much rather have a site that relfects only your views and opinions. You must not enjoy helathy political debate as you previously stated. YOU have the same choice as well.... Just walk away...
The way I see it, some of you are used to being spineless cyber bullies to people such as myself who do not drink the Kool-aid you serve up. I LMFAO when I read responses. (Crying over people speeding, cemetary, baseball, golf course.....)
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Posted By: LMAO
Date Posted: Nov 15 2009 at 10:22am
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Yes Im craying over people that are speeding. Its bad enough for the regular people to be doing it,but it worse when its a city bus. There is a hairpin curve and Im waiting on the day that either the bus or someone else losses it and plows over the people that are playing basketball.
Im far from being spineless my cyber buddy. If I feel that something is wrong your damn right I will speak my mind.
Getting back to the speeding,I dont think neither Jimbo or Tony has enough since to operste a radar gun. They can even come close to operating this city.
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Nov 15 2009 at 12:06pm
| GMAB- Not my intention to be a "cyber bully" as you say and really don't give a crap whether you drink the "Kool-Aid" or not. I just give a sh-- about my hometown and don't want it screwed up anymore than it already has been in the last 35 years. People who tend to destroy a once proud city tend to get on my nerves a little. Would you like to meet in person sometime? You name the time and place and I'll be there. As George C. Scott said in the movie Patton, "I'll stand in front of you so that you can see how much of a SOB that some (perhaps you) think I am". You can also tell me what war you were in that makes you that war vet you proclaim to be. Service fleet subs don't count as a war vet, if you weren't in a war zone. I'll bring my orders for Vietnam with me and a photo album of my time in country to prove I was there. I'll also throw in my DD 214 just for the heck of it if it will help. How about you? Again- name the time and place and we'll meet to discuss our differences. Do you accept the invitation? |
Posted By: Murdock
Date Posted: Nov 15 2009 at 4:24pm
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Hey GMAB-
It sounds to me like Viet Vet just called you out!?!?!?!?!?
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Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Nov 15 2009 at 5:19pm
------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Nov 15 2009 at 6:50pm
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Mike I think GMAB was talking about Calif. new method of loan sharking as forward thinking, where the citizens are forced to give the State Interest Free Loans.
"Reporting from Los Angeles and Sacramento - Starting Sunday, cash-strapped California will dig deeper into the pocketbooks of wage earners -- holding back 10% more than it already does in state income taxes just as the biggest shopping season of the year kicks into gear.
Technically, it's not a tax increase, even though it may feel like one when your next paycheck arrives. As part of a bundle of budget patches adopted in the summer, the state is taking more money now in withholding, even though workers' annual tax bills won't change. Think of it as a forced, interest-free loan: You'll be repaid any extra withholding in April. Those who would receive a refund anyway will receive a larger one, and those who owe taxes will owe less." |
Posted By: GMAB
Date Posted: Nov 16 2009 at 6:36am
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VietVet- Who saids I was on a sub? I was part of the surface ASW force. BTW, I was in an active war zone with live fire- quit making assumptions. Get the facts before you minimize any vets contribution. Only a POS vet does that sort of thing. You want to meet up and discuss differences? Let me guess, Steak N Shake- 1 milkshake with two straws??? Why would I want to discuss anything with you? All you have done is amke assumption after assumption about me while I have only used your posts to fuel my responses. No thanks, won't waste my time with an assumer.
Mike- Another assumption. You ar an idiot. Nice try
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Nov 16 2009 at 7:28am
| GMAB- OK, you were in an active war zone- you still haven't told us what "active war zone" it was. Why are you evading the question? Not minimizing any vets contribution just asking for some clarification on your war experiences- and certainly wouldn't call any vet a POS as you have done. Your credibility is certainly suspect in your post because you won't devulge specifics about your war contributions. Won't meet- that's your perogative. Just suggested that to talk about our differences. I left it up to you on the location. You mentioned Steak and Shake with the smart a-- milk shake with one straw comment. It appears that you have issues with people who are "assumers" ??? My, you appear to have anger issues calling everyone idiots. PTSD perhaps? |
Posted By: Nurse Ratched
Date Posted: Nov 16 2009 at 9:19am
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NOTE: Video contains explicit language http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fanv5vjdDds&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fanv5vjdDds&feature=related Video of VietVet "Just touch me once more..." ------------- |
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Nov 16 2009 at 12:59pm
You might be unaware of the host of serious PROBLEMS that have resulted from California's "PROGRESSIVE" agenda. You might have problems with reading comprehension. Or, you might be an imbecile.
I vote for IMBECILE, but that is simply a clinical-type observation and not meant to be offensive. Please do NOT consider it a personal attack!! ------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Posted By: GMAB
Date Posted: Nov 17 2009 at 3:35pm
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VietVet- I could give a crap if you believe me or not. My friends and family know what I did. That's good enough for me. Only those important to me do I "prove" my war experiences (I like to think of it as sharing my experiences). Seems to me you have trust issues. I have a DD-214, Ribbons, Medals, etc. You can believe me or not. Doesn't bother me. You see, this isn't my first rodeo. I understand there are many people like you in this world that like to form stereotypes about people. You are just dying to know what war- so then you can estimate my age. You want to know my specific job- so you can gauge my contributions. For me, I could give a sh#* less if you were the closest thing to Rambo the jungles of Vietnam has seen(or if you were Private Pile). I am content with what I have done in the military. I don't have to prove it to anyone- especially on a blog. This blog may be your life; but not mine. I only joined to call you out since you seem to be determined to turn everything negative. I thought you loved healthy political debate? Guess not. Everything turns personal. As for PTSD- nah, sounds like you have watched one too many episodes of Dr. Phil. But thank you for your concern and your opinion!
Mike- Quit thinking about the short term. California will turn the tide long before a city such as Middletown. California has invested billions into their infrastructure and development and they will be reaping the reward by next year. As we all know, Middletown's economy will turn around much slower. California can go into debt- the state has an economy bigger than most nations. Imbecile or not, Cali will bounce back quicker than Middletown.
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Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Nov 17 2009 at 7:45pm
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wow gmab
that will be one heck of a bounce out west if/when that occurs.
Like Middietown, all I hear at this time is a loud thud
Actually there probably won't be much bounce, instead a reach for a helping hand
It's simply a message board to exchange concepts,thoughts and information
everyone has to be so tough
how about tomorrow everyone only says good honest positive constructive praising comments towards everything/everyone? just 4 1 f'n day
R U going away
with no words of fare well
will u leave all that we've had behind?
I didn't want to hurt you
Didn't mean to be unkind
You know
That was the last thing on my mind
beautiful lyrics by Lightfoot I believe
anyone familiar with the Yaga philosphy?
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Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Nov 18 2009 at 6:54am
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"how about tomorrow everyone only says good honest positive constructive praising comments towards everything/everyone? just 4 1 f'n day"
This is all fine and good but just how honest do you think it will be.................................
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Nov 18 2009 at 7:06am
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OK GMAB- Apparently, you are more interested in providing flak than fact on you responses. Most vets that I have talked to over the years readily provide answers to questions such as "what branch of service were you in?", "where were you stationed?", "what did you do while in?". etc. Usually, they are proud that they saw (and survived) some war action. You seem to be reluctant to devulge what most vets will talk about freely. Just seems strange that you don't want to talk about something that most are proud of. Interesting concept- "only those important ot me do I "prove" my war experiences"- Why did you mention your military experiences on this blog to total strangers then if you only talk about it with your family?
I have trust issues?- Yep, when another vet in giving me some bullsh--about their "war zone" experiences and won't reveal the war. Hard to believe someone who is reluctant to answer a simple question. "You see, this isn't my first rodeo"- what??? Were you a frikkin' cowboy in the past? What the he-- is that all about? Yep, I think most could stereotype you rather easily. Your age? What you did in the service? Don't care. Just asked what war, that's all. "I'm content with what I have done in the military". "I don't have to prove it to anyone-especially on a blog"- Not asking you to prove that you were in the military- YOU mentioned that YOU were in a war zone. I merely asked which war zone? Simple question requiring a simple answer. This blog- my life?? No, just a hobby, a way to get information not otherwise given in the Journal and a way to communicate with several who are like minded, that's all. You want healthy political debate?- what do you want to discuss? I offered to meet and discuss things. You chose to turn the offer down. Everything turns personal- again--- how is asking what war were you in turning everything personal? I only asked for clarification. You chose to turn it into a pissing match. |
Posted By: LMAO
Date Posted: Nov 18 2009 at 8:52am
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GMAB boyscouts dont count.
B-3-1 ARMY STRONG!!!!!!!
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Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Nov 18 2009 at 9:20am
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hey wasteful--if it isn't HONEST, then we probably shouldn't be posting
VET--I knew that I could count on you to keep it constructive for one f'n day--or maybe 1/2 a f'n day.
We are all proud and thankful for everyone's military service no matter in what area and to what degree.
Still--we are back in local society now dealing with challenges of a different type.
There really is no enemy or "other side"
This was evidenced by the budget struggle within Council last night.
Credit to ALL Councilmembers for doing the work and attempting to put a round peg into a square hole(a SMALL square hole).
I see no issue leaving the key issues to our new Council.
We voted for three new members, and anticipate fresh thinking to take us in a new direction.
Obviously these men knew what was forthcoming if chosen.
I have confidence in their thinking and conciliatory approach.
I expect them to be much more open to the public and anticipate the next Council to be "set up to answer citizens' ?s".
Thanks Nelson for posting such important information
Thanks Vivian for your cemetary efforts and follow thru
Thanks Mike and pacman for good concepts and data
Thanks to MUSA for providing this wonderful forum
Thanks to the local business owners for working so hard and remaining positive towards our future
Thanks to past and present Councilmembers for the personal sacrifice and efforts
Thanks to everyone not mentioned for the valuable contributions online and in the field
Thanks to everyone who has supported me in every facet of my life and time here in Middietown
So get out of the new world
If you can't lend a hand
Cause the times
They are a changin'
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Nov 18 2009 at 9:33am
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Spider- I am merely trying to hold accountable the poster known as GMAB for their statements on their military service. I ask one simple question at the beginning of this based on HIS "war zone" statement. I see nothing negative about asking that simple question. I did not forsee this simple question escalating into a major issue. I'm glad you can "count on me" to "keep it constructive for one f'n day"!
You've turned into quite the philosopher haven't you with your 60's musical quotes. Nice work!
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Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Nov 18 2009 at 1:42pm
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Maybe so, Vet
I went from being a sociology major 2 being a philosophy major 2 being an economics major
Just hate 2 c good people sniping at other good people over something like this, however it reely ain't my bizness.
Times are difficult and there aren't many answers that are going to please anyone.
Just being somewhat reflective on the season and the challenges this annual version will bring.
I always revert to music and the timeless messages within--just my thing
As the Yaga man sez:
Stop da fussin and da fightin
Increase da Peace!
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