MMF & Election issues
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Topic: MMF & Election issues
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Subject: MMF & Election issues
Date Posted: Nov 01 2009 at 11:57pm
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With all of the other discussion, we have ignored one VERY IMPORTANT issue lately that is key to this election, that being Moving Middletown Forward Committee and its infamous flyer found in the CITY literature rack in the CITY MANAGER’S OFFICE! I would like to refresh everyone’s memory on a few items that I will QUOTE EXACTLY from that flyer for your consideration before you vote on Tuesday. From the flyer under “Candidate assistance”: • Workshop for selected candidates: public relations, speech coaching, establish issues, raise funds ($3,000-$5,000 needed for competitive campaigns for each and establish budgets)Which candidates have run well financed, big budget campaigns, all backed by some of the VERY SAME entities? Also keep the “”wards/no wards” issue in mind as you ponder the who invested in MULTIPLE candidates and which ones. Which candidates will be “beholding to no one”? (NOTE: Remember, accepting campaign contributions is not necessarily a bad thing but it is one aspect to consider, especially in view of the apparently unethical and possibly illegal MMF flyer.) During the “Candidate Forums” did any of the candidates sound “coached”? FOLLOW THE MONEY!!! From the flyer under “Campaign suggestions”: • Announce committee formation and its objectives, not giving away its main goal of recruiting and quietly helping groom selected candidates and making sure they get on the ballot before announcing campaign support for the four candidates. Keep issues to a minimum and goals for candidates. When recruiting, make sure candidates are on board concerning objectives and issues. Well, at least in my view, issues certainly were kept to a minimum during this campaign. In fact, some candidates tried to take of the main issues OFF the table! How often did we hear such themes as: “WE already are doing all that we can” or “WE’ve brought over 1,000 jobs to Middletown in the last couple of years” or “WE have spent millions paving Breiel and plan to spend millions more next year paving Sutphin and University” in the areas of economic development, jobs, and infrastructure??? Do you think that is enough??? Do these replies sound “coached”??? Do they sound like they might be “on board” with well-financed other council members with two years (or possibly less) left in office?? From the flyer under “Other goals”: • Consider ballot issue which would change the makeup of City Council. For example: Four wards and mayor, eliminating at large seats. Wards only would make a more manageable and responsive Council. In my opinion, this pretty much says it all!!! Make council “more manageable” by whom”??? Make them “more responsive to whom??? Well, certainly NOT to the CITIZENRY, so apparently they mean to this clandestine group of people that leave flyers in the CITY literature rack in the City Manager’s office!!! Regardless of any arguments in favor, this reason ALONE DEMANDS a “NO” vote on ISSUE 26 (Issue 18 in Warren County)!!!• Consider future ballot issue which would make Butler County Commission more responsive by adding two members and dividing commission in what would essentially be wards. People of Middletown, you have NOT heard one word about this during this election cycle (except, of course, by me here on MiddletownUSA.com). Here is why: If they tried to push for this issue to INCREASE THE NUMBER OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS and divide the county into WARDS right now, during this election cycle, they would be forced to make the very OPPOSITE arguments to the ones that they are making to DECREASE THE NUMBER OF COUNCILMEN AND eliminate the WARDS, as they SUPPORT ISSUE 26, THUS EXPOSING THEIR HYPOCRISY!!!People of Middletown, NO ONE has ever been able to explain away this flyer and how it could have been found in the CITY literature rack in the CITY MANAGER’S OFFICE, not five feet in front of the receptionist’s desk!!! Several people have TRIED to say that they are “SURE” that “Moving Middletown Forward” is a “second” group completely distinct and separate from “Middletown Moving Forward”!!! But these very same people who are so certain of the “second” group claim that they have NO IDEA who, what, or where this second group is…or how they got their flyer into the City Manager’s City literature rack!!!Yet THEY claim that I am the one putting forth a “conspiracy theory”! It certainly seems to me that THEY ARE THE ONES INSISTING ON A PHANTOM SECOND GROUP ON THE GRASSY KNOLL THAT NO ONE ELSE HAS SEEN OR CAN FIND!!!You can’t blame them for ducking all of this, though. After all, it could rise to the level of a FELONY!! I’m not sure, but maybe Attorney Picard can tell us??? How about it, Mr. Picard? When a supervisor instructs a supervised city employee to telephone to one of the private citizens who has revealed the contents of the “Moving Middletown Forward” flyer and tell him that “you guys would be better off to let things go!”, does that rise to the level of a felony? (And, YES, I DO have corroborating contemporaneous documentation and I am willing to swear under oath, in court, just as you outlined during the Candidates’ Forum at the Community Forum last Thursday.) PEOPLE OF MIDDLETOWN, please consider all of the above before you cast your ballots on Tuesday. Discuss this with other voters, your friends, family, and associates that may not be as aware of such goings on as you are.This election is crucial to our city and to our futures and the futures of our children and our children’s children. Please consider ALL of the information and cast your vote as if your life depends on it…it does! Just as a matter of disclosure, I am retired. I have absolutely no employer, no business, no business interests or investments in Middletown or the surrounding area (other than our single-family home, where we reside), no income from any source in Middletown, in short, absolutely no “conflict of interest” of any kind in any of the issues or with any of the candidates in this election. I was born and raised here. Moved around quite a bit during my career, and returned here in 1998. I began taking a keen interest in civic affairs in 1999. My SOLE GOAL is what is best for the CITY and CITIZENRY of MIDDLETOWN. ------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Replies:
Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Nov 02 2009 at 8:41am
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Put together this article, yesterday's MJ editorial, the bizarre Council meeting/shenanigans, and you will discover a VERY disturbing pattern of insider-organized activity meant to control this(and all future) Council elections. Even if you favor the elimination of ward representation and the shrinking of Council, you can hardly approve of how this issue has transpired. No rush to vote it in at this time,and maybe with more time, discussion and transparent planning, a better solution can be found. The SAME group of right-wingers who have backed Mike Fox/Kay Rogers/Jollyvet/Furmon/Conklin/Boehner and the covert/corrupt Butler County Republican stranglehold are behind the elimination of ward representation in Middletown. Turn them away--send them packing! If you approve of how Butler County politics work, then this issue is for you!
The last thing we need at this time is for this issue to be decided(either way) by a razor thin margin(recounts/challenges/lawsuits et al). Let's hope for a blow-out either way.
VOTE NO ON ALL ISSUES
VOTE OUT ALL INCUMBANTS ON EVERY LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT.
PLEASE SAVE OUR CITY
Then we go about changing city Admin.
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Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Nov 02 2009 at 12:15pm
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Spider,
I absolutely and heartily agree with you on all except one samll part of your post:
I RESENT your referring to that group of limosine liberals and Democrats who "flipped" only so they could get elected as "right-wingers"!
"Right-wingers" are TRUE conservatives of any party, such as myself, Pacman, our Democrat friend but conservative brother VietVet, etc., and YOU (but YOU only on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays--I am unsure what you are on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays. Sunday seems to be a sort of "swing" day!  )!!------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
spiderjohn wrote:Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Nov 02 2009 at 2:27pm
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Honestly I am an Independant, and probably more independant than anyone you know.
I have little allegiance to anyone politically.
I deal with the individual and/or the issue.
Like it or not, the Butler County Republican clique has been incredibly well-supported locally by MANY popular names
Hopefully they will all be defeated/arrested asap.
The only vote that REALLY matters is defeating the Council change.
As for the qualifications of the candidates--I posted my opinion long ago and haven't seen anything to change my mind.
As for your other comment, I am my own person with no connections or boundaries. I can be liberal on one issue and conservative on another, and VERY flexible(try it sometime--your first impression is not always correct!).
As for Sundays--I bet football with no allegiance to any particular team other than those with my financial backing.
I am voting AGAINST issue 3.
Spider KNOWS casinos and gambling. Neither is a solid answer to any of our problems, and passage will only siphon more $$ away from the needy into the hands of the greedy.
jmo
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Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Nov 02 2009 at 2:39pm
| The AJ Smith supporters have been busy going door to door in my neighborhood today. |
Posted By: Paul Nagy
Date Posted: Nov 02 2009 at 4:29pm
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Spider,
Your statement about me is fun and shows you didn't really pay attention to what Mike or I wrote. He said, " I believe that A. J. has studied the issues as much as, and probably more, than any of the other seven candidates."
1. I didn't take a snipe at Mr. Smith's opinions. I took a "snipe" at Mikes comment that A.J. has studied the issues "probably more" than any of the other seven candidates.
2. I don't take myself seriously at all. You speak a lot about people that you don't really know.
3. I have no interest in "overall sanctity" anymore than you do and I'm not nearly as serious or wishy-washy as you are about anything or everything. You have demonstrated your overall sanctity for years. You have been the pefect example "that the hit dog howls".
Nevertheless, there are few that I appreciate more than you and your dad for all of the business, jobs and service that you have given to the city and its citizens for decades.
Paul Nagy
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Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Nov 02 2009 at 6:06pm
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Fair enough, Mr.Nagy.
If you say that I don't know you, then I don't know you.
No reason to rip you on such an important night, since I honestly hope that you win your seat tomorrow. You have an opportunity to be a part of sweeping change within our city, so maybe I am somewhat envious.
Best of luck to you and all other new candidates!
Vote NO on the Council changes!!!
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Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: Nov 02 2009 at 6:31pm
Was there by chance a Swastika on that Moving Middeltown Forward flyer ? How about an inverted cross ? Maybe the all seeing eye ? 
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Posted By: Paul Nagy
Date Posted: Nov 02 2009 at 7:42pm
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Spider,
Believe it or not I'm speechless from your kind response. I'm tired and wish I had not responded as I did. As you know I had hoped you would run. I think you would make a great contribution as a council person and I would be the first on line to vote for you. Please forgive me if I was rude in anyway.
Paul nagy
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Posted By: MMF rules!
Date Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 12:41pm
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hermes: city council doesnt have a president but you sound like just the type we are looking for on council. if one of our other boys dont pan out, just pull petitions in 2011. we'll contact you. If you run against us we'll crush you just like we crushed nagy and barge and soppanish and the ward issue. |
Posted By: LMAO
Date Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 12:49pm
| Havent crushed anyone. We can still stand at council and express are concersns.Also we have new face's on council that just might stop the Bullsh*t that has been going on to long. |
Posted By: MMF rules!
Date Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 1:10pm
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new faces? who do you think put them there?
we stopped citizen comments once, we'll do it again if presta and the other loudmouths keep talking.
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Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 1:11pm
Your right, city council doesn't have a president I'm talking about The White House. You guys managed to get Armbruster re-elected so I know you can get me into the White House. I'd like to have some of that training you offer, I also need funds. I'm estimating that in three years it will cost a $billion dollars to buy the White House so I'm counting on MMF to stand tall and help a guy out. Once I get in I'll take care of those who cared enough to help.
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Posted By: LMAO
Date Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 1:22pm
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Will never happen on stopping the comments . You see that it was brought back.So again who won that battle? ------------- |
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 1:45pm
Congratulations on getting the job done. You seem to have been successful in attaining nearly all that you set out to do. It will be much easier (and less expensive) now that you will only have to bankroll FIVE campaigns for city council per cycle instead of SEVEN. However, there are still avenues available to THE PEOPLE to revive the 5 versus 7 issue. Did you know that this VERY council could put a Charter amendment BACK on the ballot in a “swan song” move before their terms expire? It would certainly be a way for Mr. Marconi to keep extra seats available to him. As far as me showing up at meetings, it IS a “pain” (pun intended) to do so, but that hasn’t stopped me yet, but it might make my appearances more infrequent. Just be assured that whether or not I appear has NOTHING do with either veiled or open threats from anonymous sources such as yourself. Also, congratulations to all the winners!!! Please do your best to represent the people’s best interest. To the runners-up, thank you for your efforts and for bringing some of the issues into the open. ------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 1:54pm
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Well spoken Mr. Presta! ------------- Call me for a www.CameraSecurityNow.com" rel="nofollow - www.CameraSecurityNow.com quote 513-422-1907 x357 |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 2:41pm
Hey! I'm starting to like this MMF rules poster. I like the fact that this person has taken all of the topics that push our buttons and is not afraid to "hit you in the face" with them. Great act and can be very effective on this site. Wonder if this person walks around with a sign on them saying "NOT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY" or "DO NOT FEED THE MORON"? 
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Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 4:29pm
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Vet: He/she probably walks around with a shirt on that says: CITY of MIDDLETOWN ------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Posted By: Alien II
Date Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 5:51pm
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Mr. Presta,
Perhaps you have already done this sometime in the past, but could you be so kind as to post a scanned copy of the infamous MMF document you have often referred to? I am not questioning the validity of your "quotes", just curious to see the original document since I have never seen it.
Also, I guess you are serious that it was in the City manager's literature rack. How long ago was this found?
Thanks!
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Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 6:48pm
I am absolutely serious about where it was found! Mr. Nagy found it, documented it contemporaneously, and gave me a copy. I'd have to check my notes for the exact date, but I am fairly certain it was early in March, 2009. ------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Posted By: Impala SS
Date Posted: Nov 04 2009 at 6:54pm
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mmf rules ---- Is nothing more than a bunch of sicko's, who dont know there butts' from a hole in the ground.
Admin Edited ------------- Thomas Rapp |