Ward 4 Candidate Withdrawals From Race
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Topic: Ward 4 Candidate Withdrawals From Race
Posted By: adamwlewis
Subject: Ward 4 Candidate Withdrawals From Race
Date Posted: Jul 17 2009 at 12:34pm
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MiddletownUSA.com was just informed that Geri Lynn Maples will not be running for Middletown City Council this fall. Due to personal issues she has decided against running for 4th Ward Council. We wish her the best of luck and hope she'll consider running again in the future. ------------- http://www.adamwlewis.com" rel="nofollow - Adam Lewis ' Blog |
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Posted By: adamwlewis
Date Posted: Jul 17 2009 at 12:45pm
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As a side note, this leaves Daniel Picard unopposed for the 4th ward. ------------- http://www.adamwlewis.com" rel="nofollow - Adam Lewis ' Blog |
Posted By: John Beagle
Date Posted: Jul 17 2009 at 3:26pm
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Too bad, Geri would have made a great candidate. I have met her and see her in action at Middletown Master Plan meetings. Perhaps she will try again in 2 years. ------------- http://www.johnbeagle.com/" rel="nofollow - John Beagle Middletown USA News of, for and by the people of Middletown, Ohio. |
Posted By: Smokey Burgess
Date Posted: Jul 17 2009 at 7:29pm
| Geri Lynn Maples is an honest, competent Christian woman. She truly cares for Middletown and WOULD HAVE BEEN an independent, fair-minded City Council member. |
Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Jul 18 2009 at 8:02pm
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There is another candidate for the 4th ward his name is Robert Thoroughman from Audubon Drive in Middletown.
I am glad we have another candidate and after I spoke to Geri Lynn Mapples I was sad to learn she had decided to pull out. But after she explained why. I completly under stood
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Posted By: thoroughman
Date Posted: Jul 30 2009 at 6:04pm
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Greetings, My name is Robert Thoroughman. I am the other candidate for ward 4. PLease feel free to ask me any questions. ------------- Jesus move in our city like never before seen! |
Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Jul 30 2009 at 6:07pm
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thoroughman wrote:Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jul 30 2009 at 7:59pm
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Mr. Thoroughman:
A new racetrack with slot machines would bring hundreds of new jobs, and lots of tax money and visitors to Middletown, along with the possibility of a future casino on the same site. This would be a HUGE financial benefit to our city.
If elected Fourth Ward councilman, would you support efforts to lure such an enterprise to Middletown, near I-75? ------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Posted By: rngrmed
Date Posted: Jul 31 2009 at 3:02am
| Mike-- I hope you're not thinking about putting that track in the area that our magnificent mall is located!! Sounds like a good idea if we could land that though. |
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jul 31 2009 at 5:40am
Not I!!! I have neither the interest nor the finances to undertake such a venture. I have heard rumblings, however, that others are pitching a site EAST of I-75 and at least partially within Middletown city limits to the current race track license-holders.
My only interest would be that of an occasional patron, if I am alive, kicking, and still in the area should it ever all come to pass. Also, I think that it would be GOOD for our fair city, so I am interestested in EVERY council candidates' view on the issue.
PS: I finally got to meet the "Z-ster" over the weekend. I think he's a keeper!!! ------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Posted By: rngrmed
Date Posted: Jul 31 2009 at 5:56am
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Mike--I didn't mean you personally putting in the track. I know there had been talks of a casino in Monroe. I wonder if the same Indian Tribe has any connections in putting one at the Mall location. A casino and race track would compliment each other nicely. Plus an outlet mall? Zach is a good kid...heard he had a lot of fun at your place. Just give us a call when the girls want him to come over and play. |
Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Jul 31 2009 at 6:32am
| 56 acre mall site may be tight for a track, Hotel, future casino etc. But that 310 acre piece of land off Cincy Dayton Rd. down by Berns. Hmmmmmmmm. |
Posted By: gemneye70
Date Posted: Jul 31 2009 at 6:37am
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I want race track! Does Ohio allow dog racing? That is fun too...I guess they could simulcast from around the country. I have also thought a casino would be a good fit, if they were ever made legal. |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jul 31 2009 at 6:45am
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Mike
You must be drinking a brew really early today to think that City Hall would ever approve a race track in the Middletown area. I don't believe they understand the word DESTINATION. I thought they wanted o build it off 71 close to King Island?
Middletown should have built a casino years ago. |
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jul 31 2009 at 6:52am
 ------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Posted By: rngrmed
Date Posted: Jul 31 2009 at 6:57am
| There was so much estrogen floating around that, at one point, I had the urge to watch soap operas! I may watch the UFC fights at my place Aug 8th if you might be interested in coming over. Nothing like some cage fights to increase the testosterone levels back up |
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jul 31 2009 at 7:24am
MY opinion is that the I-71 location has three things AGAINST it: location, location, location.
There are TWO race tracks (Bealuh Park and Scioto Downs) near I-71 just south of Columbus and ONE MORE EAST of Cincinnati (River Downs). One of the Columbus tracks will no doubt relocate, but that would still leave TWO competitors less than an hours' easy drive away. That location would also be more difficult to access from Dayton.
However, a location just off I-75 would make it an easy drive from Dayton, and a much easier trip from much of Cincinnati than River Downs. (And don't forget West Chester, Hamilton, Monroe, Springboro, and the others, and yes, even Middletown.) The decision-makers here are NOT Middletown council members. They understand market analysis.
Draw the circles and count the roofs. I-75 wins hands down!
Of course there is more to the game. There are TWO tracks in Cleveland (Thistledown and Northfield Park). Which way will one move, west or south? That may drive the direction one of the Columbus tracks moves, north or west.
Only one thing is certain: These decisions will NOT be made as the former "downtown" Middletown decisions are made. They will do what is smart, not "we'll do what we want whether it will work or not." ------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Jul 31 2009 at 8:15am
| What style of track are talking about here, Harness or Thoroughbred ? I am for a track in Middletown think it could really help the city. I grow up going to the race track. you do realize that there is a track just up track, Lebanon Race way. They dont have much of a draw any more ,live racing there is not what it use to be. There money comes from simulcast races from some of the tracks you mentioned above. I think a casino has a much better chance of survival than a race track. |
Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Jul 31 2009 at 8:28am
Randy you are behind the times. Catch up. Harness Racing, Lebanon Raceway is looking to re-locate closer to I-75, slots are being added to the tracks. Casino later would be a natural. Daily reading of the Middletown Journal online is a must to keep up.
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Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jul 31 2009 at 9:09am
There were a a couple of years that I (and a friend) never missed even one night at the races if there was a harness track runnning within a hundred miles.
All of this was in the late '60s or early '70s. ------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Posted By: thoroughman
Date Posted: Jul 31 2009 at 9:56pm
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I personally am not yet aware of the plans and details in the building of such a place in the city. I know there has been talk from time to time. I would have to look over all aspects and details of such a choice. I personally am not 100% sure that such business really helps communities? I would look at overall impact on entire city. I am also very open to hearing feedback as to why or why not have such a place. I do know that River Downs just a little south is having problems with money to operate. ------------- Jesus move in our city like never before seen! |
Posted By: thoroughman
Date Posted: Jul 31 2009 at 10:02pm
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I personally am not yet aware of the plans and details in the building of such a place in the city. I know there has been talk from time to time. I would have to look over all aspects and details of such a choice. I personally am not 100% sure that such business really helps communities? I would look at overall impact on entire city. I am also very open to hearing feedback as to why or why not have such a place. I have heard that River Downs just a little south is having problems with business. As a personal preference I do not visit those types of businesses. However, I desire to do what is best for our city as a whole. PLease understand I would need to know all details before I could really decide on that. Just based on what little amount I know about it right now. I would need to say no, but am open to hearing more about it. ------------- Jesus move in our city like never before seen! |
Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Jul 31 2009 at 10:53pm
| Mr. Thoroughman there are no known plans to build a track in Middletown. The Lebanon Track is looking to relocate closer to I-75, hence the talk of Middletown. The Governor signed an executive order this month bringing slots to the tracks mainly due to the financial shape the tracks are in. The hope is that slots will rejuvenate the tracks. |
Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Aug 01 2009 at 5:34pm
For the record a reading of the Journal to keep up is a poor source of news.
As for the track in Lebanon,It is 15 min. from 75 now and is not gonna relocate. I grew up going to that track and some of my earliest memories are of falling asleep in the grandstand. I hope slots are add to all tracks and wish the would build a casino right in the heart of Middletown. I know many people that work there and run hourses there today.
The bulk of Lebanons money comes from simulcast form other tracks. They only run live 3 days a week and a few months out of the year. Where is the benifit to moving?
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Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Aug 01 2009 at 5:42pm
I do think that a casino and slots are a great idea I just cant see a new race track having much of a chance. Just build a casino and be done with it.
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Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Aug 02 2009 at 10:08am
It's a LEGAL business closely supervised by the State of Ohio. The owners have been operating the track for over 60 years without a problem. Middletown is desperate for jobs and income tax. WHAT MORE COULD YOU POSSIBLY NEED TO KNOW???
Is THAT what you are saying???
------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Aug 02 2009 at 10:58am
| Mr. Throroughman- this is a no-brainer. A legal business, bringing jobs to the Middletown area. Heck, if I was running for Council, I'd go a step beyond that and be making an effort to bring a casino to Middletown, whether they plop it down on the Towne Mall site or put a couple of gambling boats on the Great Miami River by the West Middletown bridge. I want all the jobs I can get in town to give people an opportunity to be employed and to get money flowing in this town. I'd also invite ALL city businesses to sit down with me to discuss what I could do for them. I'd let them advertise til there little heart was content, give new businesses start up tax breaks and increase the tax burden only after they were healthy and viable. Offer them any means they wanted to use to market their business and try my best to make it as cost effective as I could. Will you make it a priority to work with the Econ. Dev. Department to steer them in the right direction? These poor souls are totally lost right now and have no clue how to bring employment to this town. If I were you as a councilman, I'd make this a priority. Will you make an effort to change the direction of the city manager and leaders focus on the streets, Section 8, downtown development, etc. because their current plan/direction is a failure and is ruining this town. Mr. Throughman- will you be different than what we have now as to leadership or are we to expect the same old type of nonsense from you if you are elected? Blunt- yes- Gets to the point- yes. No BS- yes. |
Posted By: thoroughman
Date Posted: Aug 03 2009 at 7:50pm
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YES, I will be different!
I will listen to what the people say and not hide and ignore. ------------- Jesus move in our city like never before seen! |
Posted By: thoroughman
Date Posted: Aug 03 2009 at 8:03pm
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I apologize if you are mad about my post. I am not sure of all the details. I like to know details when making a choice when possible. I spoke of River Downs, simply because they are a similar business that is struggling. So how good would one do here? Most gambling business can also bring more problems into a town. People spending what they really don't have in hopes of getting more. I want more Jobs, but not at cost of destroying families. I will only say no in very few cases. We want to make Middletown a place to be proud of and safe for us all. ------------- Jesus move in our city like never before seen! |
Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Aug 03 2009 at 8:47pm
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Mr.Thoroughman
I have spent most of my adult life around racetracks and gamblers.
From River Downs and the Lebanon Raceway to the Tribune Reserve at Longchamp(Paris) and the Royal Enclosure for the Royal Ascot meet(England).
From $500 purses to multi-million $$ Breeders Cup races.
I have bred, owned, sold and raced thoroughbreds for over 20 years(mostly at Santa Anita,Del Mar,Hollywood Park,Churchill Downs and Keeneland).
I have been in most Las Vegas casinos, however I have NEVER been to a gambling boat.
I have made wagers from a dime to multi-thousands.
I bet football and NCAA hoops annually.
Gambling is not the answer to anything constructive in the long haul.
Particularly the mindless forms of gambling such as slot machines and lotteries.
These "games" simply separate people from their $$, particularly those who need it the most. You don't see wealthy people playing slots or lottery on a regular basis.
The gambling industry is pimping racing simply as the venue to get their foot in the door.
Just like they have in every other state, except our governor was very open that HIS bill(despite gambling being voted down in Ohio FOUR times) had nothing to do with helping the racing game and is all about money for his budget.
Just like how our state lottery would save our schools, we will see little to nothing from today's version of gaming laws, outside of a few slightly above minimum wage jobs.
Believe me--when Middletown gets a casino, there will already be one on every corner in the state.
You are absolutely correct---gambling revenue will never be a meaningful answer to anything in the current age. It meant something back in it's early days b4 saturation and the disappearance of a large % of discretionary income.
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Posted By: thoroughman
Date Posted: Aug 03 2009 at 9:53pm
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Thank you Spiderjohn.
Great Post ------------- Jesus move in our city like never before seen! |
Posted By: rngrmed
Date Posted: Aug 04 2009 at 12:17pm
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Council members had no problem with giving Terry Wolfe (ex owner of Bristols) an opportunity to open 2 businesses here in Middletown. One on Cincinnati Dayton Rd (club x-scape) and one for Club Roosevelt. Seems both were busted for illegal gambling and illegal stripping/prostitution. Even after his troubles with Bristols. And now they are having problems with a legal business? Maybe someone hasn't thrown enough money their way yet. |
Posted By: thoroughman
Date Posted: Aug 04 2009 at 2:59pm
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we need to restore this city, not destroy with "BAD" business. Example, look at how MOnroe has grown. After Bristol's closed. I would just like to point that out. ------------- Jesus move in our city like never before seen! |
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Aug 04 2009 at 7:36pm
Perhaps you should consider running for a seat in the state legislature instead of city council.
That way you could work to properly change the Ohio Revised Code to eliminate businesses that you deem "BAD" in Ohio, instead of using your discretion to keep legal businesses out of a city starved for jobs and cash.
Just my opinion.
By the way, would you likewise view as "BAD" any new business that wanted to legally sell alcohol? ------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Posted By: Ima B. Lever
Date Posted: Aug 04 2009 at 8:00pm
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Pastor Thoroughman -
I sincerely ask you to please pray us citizens of Middletown who have a minimal voice in municipal affairs. We certainly are in need of God's intervention.
God Bless You and Yours.
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Posted By: thoroughman
Date Posted: Aug 04 2009 at 11:04pm
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Thank you for the blessing. It is my hope to bring a voice to the people of this city. We need to make our voice heard.
RObert ------------- Jesus move in our city like never before seen! |
Posted By: thoroughman
Date Posted: Aug 04 2009 at 11:14pm
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Thanks for the post, I do understand your thoughts. Know that my thought is that we need to make sure we are bringing jobs that will last and help improve the overall appeal to the city. We must look long term to see what the jobs will do for our home. Also, why is it a state will push to sell loto tickets claiming to bring all this money in. When in truth it takes money from people who may not have it to spend. Also, we pump millions into providing gambling addiction counseling. Not to mention foster homes to kids who have broken homes due to divorce and or addictions. Now I ask what have we really gained? I can recall memories of a parent spending our last few dollors on loto scratch offs. Then when no money was won. We were without food and money.
I know we need jobs, but we must make sure we reach for the good of all.
I am only asking for votes, if you agree. I understand those who don't , and I respect your thoughts. That is what America is all about, freedom to chose.
God Bless!
Robert ------------- Jesus move in our city like never before seen! |
Posted By: rngrmed
Date Posted: Aug 04 2009 at 11:36pm
| Sounds like we should punish everyone because a few make bad decisions. I will buy the occassional scratch off, lottery ticket or take a trip to the boats. We've had scratch off for a couple decades now. River Downs and Lebanon Raceways are well within driving distance. Even the boats are well within driving distance. Was there an increase in foreclosures when they opened? How about when the lottery started? I think gambling/ the lottery are just scapegoats. I'm sure the people that lose their houses or have to put their kids in foster homes have other social issues that need to be addressed that are far more important that gambling. |
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Aug 04 2009 at 11:43pm
That is what America is all about, freedom to chose.
Besides, do you really think that forcing folks to drive one or two exits north or south on I-75 will prevent all of the irresponsible people that you've described from acting irresponsibly?
If I learned my history correctly, one of the main reasons the early settlers came to America was for freedom of conscience. ------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Posted By: thoroughman
Date Posted: Aug 05 2009 at 12:30am
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If I learned my history correctly, one of the main reasons the early settlers came to America was for freedom of conscience. [/QUOTE]I do understand where you are coming from. However, I do stand firm in my convictions. Part of the problem in politics is people who pretend and lie about who they are. I want to be open about where I stand. That way you know who you are voting for. Blessings, Robert ------------- Jesus move in our city like never before seen! |
Posted By: thoroughman
Date Posted: Aug 05 2009 at 12:33am
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I attempted to Quote you above, but it did not post correctly. I need to get some sleep. Good Night. ------------- Jesus move in our city like never before seen! |
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Aug 05 2009 at 1:21am
However, another problem in politics (especially in Middletown) is that far too many politicians allow their personal preferences to trump what may be best for their constituents. One may honestly and deeply believe that yellow and pink polka dots on a purple background are the very most attractive color scheme on earth. That would not make it right to try to force everyone to paint their homes in that manner, no matter how strongly they hold that belief.
There are already too many codes, ordinances, laws and rules, and too many contracts have been let or at least influenced by PERSONAL PREFERENCE in Middletown. Such actions have harmed our city and its ecomomy irrepairably.
Not all belief systems are the same, and others hold their faith as strongly as you hold yours. Does that give them the right to try to force their values on you? I think not!!! Please consider the hypothetical situation that five or six atheists landed on city council. They might all sincerely believe that there are too many churches in town on what could be prime commercial land. Do you think that they should be allowed to follow their consciences and keep churches out of town? I would think that they have no more right to do that, than they would have the right to keep legal businesses that happen to sell alcohol or gambling opportunities out of town.
Respectfully,
Mike Presta ------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Posted By: alldaywatching
Date Posted: Aug 05 2009 at 7:35am
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Posted By: 2000+
Date Posted: Aug 05 2009 at 2:55pm
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