COMING AVAILABLE 84,180 SQ FT.
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Topic: COMING AVAILABLE 84,180 SQ FT.
Posted By: Pacman
Subject: COMING AVAILABLE 84,180 SQ FT.
Date Posted: Jun 22 2009 at 5:19pm
 Spider as I was driving past Roosevelt & Elliott I notice a Sign in front of the KMart Center that says, "COMING AVAILABLE 84,180 SQ FT." So what's up new construction  or is Kmart leaving. Inquiring minds want to know.
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Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Jun 22 2009 at 7:55pm
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Been partying with my daughter and grandchildren, pacman.
Missed that one.
Has to be KMart at that size, though I didn't think the sq.footage was that much.
Not a good thing my way.
I own my building and out to Elliot.
I wouls sell for a decent price since nothing is happening in the area or Middietown.
But---maybe I could get a better neighbor!
Hey--I lost Target(formerly Ayr Way) 25 years ago, then Square D down on S.University. I have been the only major player in that center since and still do well there.
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Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jun 23 2009 at 6:42am
Maybe the Center owner will get off their ass and spruce the place up a bit with a face lift. See they painted the lines in the parking lot but much more than that is needed.  .
The Retail World once again gets smaller in Middletown if KMart is leaving, but never fear we are going to turn Downtown into a Specialty Shop Mecca. Hmmmmmmm can't support a KMart with 51K of residents but we are going to support all of the Specialty Shops rushing to Re-build the Downtown Area.
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Posted By: retired co
Date Posted: Jun 23 2009 at 10:02am
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Has anyone noticed the increase in foreign merchants in the last 2 years?t seems as if everyh time we lose a business in this town people from the middle east open another little shop ( convience store/gas station). I'm not begrudging these folks for wanting a better life
but how come we can't get Americans to open these small business establishments. Most all these folks live in Westchester I can't wait to see all their stores on Central Ave.
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Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: Jun 23 2009 at 10:20am
The federal government throws money at them thats why. It's easier for an immigrant to get a loan for 5 years than it is American born. If you watch a lot of restaraunts like in the Chicago area they only stay open for about 5 years. They make the money then return to where ever they came from. ------------- No more democrats no more republicans,vote Constitution Party !! |
retired co wrote:Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Jun 23 2009 at 10:46am
| Spiderjohn, If you don't mind my asking, what business do you own ? |
Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Jun 23 2009 at 1:26pm
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Sorry Randy--I mind.
Nothing at all against you.
The less personal info disclosed here, the more safe we are.
Waiting for the foreign owners to get to Central Ave., co?
Check out the place where the 54yo was beaten to a pulp a few days ago, and you will find yer location!
Isn't this also the location that was raided for weapons, counterfiet merchandise etc?
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Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jun 23 2009 at 2:58pm
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If K-Mart is closing then so will the Sears Store at the Towne Mall. How many jobs will we loose this time?
Yet Another nail in the coffin of the City of Middletown.
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Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jun 23 2009 at 3:59pm
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It would appear that Middletown's Business Retention Committee needs to refocus itself onto smaller businesses especially in the retail/service industries for Retention in Middletown, instead of concentrating on the 10 biggest employers who are most likely not leaving anytime soon. Middletown's Retail/Service industry is being decimated and Middletown seems to be indifferent or powerless to even inquire as to why and can not even maintain what Retail/Service Businesses that they have.
Personally enough of concentrating on the low income issues. If we improve the city as a whole then everyone will benefit. Concentrating so much of our time and effort on Section 8 1662 persons/families, demolishing 50 houses, HUD issues, Public Housing, Etc. is not going to ever get us out of the hole that continues to get deeper and deeper with each passing month.
Tax Revenues are not increasing and continue to decline. Concentrating so much energy on issues which produce no new tax revenues is a loosing proposition for everyone in the City.
It is time we wake up and realize what is going on.
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Posted By: John Beagle
Date Posted: Jun 23 2009 at 4:15pm
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Pacman said "Middletown seems to be indifferent or powerless to even inquire into why or maintain what they have. " I think they are powerless. Or idealess. Or both. Haven't heard a peep or seen any effort to market our retail spaces. ------------- http://www.johnbeagle.com/" rel="nofollow - John Beagle Middletown USA News of, for and by the people of Middletown, Ohio. |
Posted By: Smokey Burgess
Date Posted: Jun 23 2009 at 5:07pm
You hit the nail on the head again Pacman! I appreciate your diligence in pointing out the indifference and fuzzy thinking of the elitist bureaucrats at One Donham Plaza! 
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Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jun 23 2009 at 5:08pm
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How many employees do we have in the Economic Development Department? What are the current salaries of the Economic Development Department? What are they doing for the City of Did they offer any help to K-Mart to keep them from moving?
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Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jun 23 2009 at 9:35pm
| John call the City and tell them you want to move into downtown and watch how high they jump., anywhere else in the city forget it. |
Posted By: Bwood
Date Posted: Jun 24 2009 at 9:26am
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I'm surprised Kmart lasted as long as it did after the Walmart was built on Towne Blvd. Even before then you didn't see very many cars there.
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Posted By: arwendt
Date Posted: Jun 25 2009 at 1:41pm
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I live 5 min away from K-Mart and would rather drive 15 minutes each way than to go to that place. That's not the cities fault.
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Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jun 25 2009 at 1:45pm
| Arwendt if the City can tell you to Painnt your Gutters and threaten you with some type of legal action, and they are now inspecting businesses, I am sure if they go and look they will find dozens of violations in the front and back and parking lot. The center needs to be rehabbed. I just talked to some of the other tenants and they also would like to see it rehabbed. |
Posted By: Paul Nagy
Date Posted: Jun 25 2009 at 2:04pm
| I am sorry to report that I called kamin Realty and they verified that K-Mart is indeed leaving. That's a wonderful location and we should do all we can to bring businesses back to that location. Paul nagy |
Posted By: here&now
Date Posted: Jun 25 2009 at 2:12pm
| And how do you suggest we bring businesses to Middletown? We don't have a lot to offer at the moment. High unemployment, crime and drugs. |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jun 25 2009 at 3:19pm
K-Mart leaving??? Say it ain't so. Now, I'll have to drive to the Springboro K-Mart for my Martha Stewart designer paints and the prescriptions for the wife.  That's an awfully large box store. Probably won't find a business willing to tackle that location. To lure anyone at all, might have to split the sq. footage up into smaller stores and rent to small fledgling businesses like a CPA, an office for a realtor, collection agency, call center, insurance agent, lab testing facility or for a small Tradin' Times type newspaper. Kind of a "many stores within a store" concept. Offer cheap rent to entice perhaps? Don't know. Not a business/marketing person.
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Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Jun 25 2009 at 3:33pm
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no hear & now--we already tried the booze/sex/drugs/gambling thing with BW3 and Council's/Kohler's beloved Club Roosevelt(emergency legislated through both planning commisssion and Council at Marty's insistence despite neighborhood concerns/resistance), and it didn't fly.
Kamin is tough to deal with, and they have quite a few unhappy tenants in that center. Subdivion of the K Mart location would be more headache than opportunity.
jmo
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Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: Jun 25 2009 at 3:45pm
Does anyone know are they leaving the city or just closing that perticular store ? ------------- No more democrats no more republicans,vote Constitution Party !! |
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jun 25 2009 at 3:56pm
| Ahhh.....off the top of my head I would say they are fleeing the sinking ship. |
Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: Jun 25 2009 at 4:35pm
| With all the money that the city has received over the last year - has anyone seen any improvement at all to the city in anyway. There seems to be a plan of what the city manager and council want this city to be - however they are not doing one thing to fix any issue. Demolishing homes will not create more business and jobs - which is needed very quickly in this town. We are becoming a ghost town - I am assuming we will be ranked number one very shortly if it this continues. |
Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Jun 25 2009 at 5:22pm
| I too called Kamin Realty and they did not confirm or deny that k-mart is leaving. But i also called Sears Corp. office and was told that no date has been set as to when the story will close. |
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jun 25 2009 at 5:30pm
| Bobbie they are basically creating a City of Poverty, spending Millions of Federal dollars demolishing homes, trying to refrub homes that are long past there prime. The city is not doing anything to entice middle income tax payers into this city. It is simply throwing up more roadblocks by spending the majority of their time dealing with HUD issues, more HUD issues and trying to preserve the employees salaries that they have downtown and nothing else. |
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jun 25 2009 at 5:32pm
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There ain't but one building that size in this center they are outt here.
http://www.kaminrealty.com/leasing/leasingnow/OH/middletown/eastgate.pdf - http://www.kaminrealty.com/leasing/leasingnow/OH/middletown/eastgate.pdf
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Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Jun 25 2009 at 5:37pm
| I am set to talk with a spokesman from Sears Corp. Office tomorrow we should have some more info then. |
Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Jun 25 2009 at 5:57pm
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What more info do ya need, Randy?
K Mart is leaving eventually.
Ya know--if y'all shopped more locally, we wouldn't be losing so many businesses.
It's not like anyone wants to close a business or leave a location.
K Mart has put this off for a long time, hoping things would improve, but ya really didn't support them.
I was in the new Target twice this week to pick up advertised items(not in stock either time), and the only difference I see between K Mart and Target is that Target has a newer building. Target did have approx.5x the # of employees standing around doing nothing other than avoiding customers(few and far between). This Wal Mart blows also.
jmo
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Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Jun 25 2009 at 6:11pm
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We all know that k-mart is leaving. I am not happy about it at all. I shop nowhere other than Middletown. I am born and raised in this town. I would like to know when the closing is taking place and if anyone has shown interest in the building. These are the questions I plan to ask.
As for supporting K-mart I do shop there and live just up the road. Do I shop at Walmart? Some yes. But my money (what little i have) is spent local. |
Posted By: lrisner
Date Posted: Jun 25 2009 at 6:25pm
First step would be to have City government that had the confidence of the People. It would mean taking an "Adult" attitude to City finances. If the city can't afford something without pulling cash from an area such as infrastructure, then we just can't afford it. I liked what David S. said about the Bond issue for the 122 upgrade. "We can live without this Project" referring to waiting for Bond money to start rather than risk the City being short of cash if it were paid out of the General fund. I agree we could live without the project. I also would have rather spent the 6 mil the Bond generated on City Streets as have the 122 Project. Cart before the Horse, in my opinion!
Reasonable comment, but the Business has a responsibility to the Customer too. K-Mart was a Dump. Why should I shop in a Dump if I can go down the road to a place that is not a Dump? In K-Mart's defense, it is possible that they too (like so many Middletown Citizens) have lost confidence in City Government and there by were unwilling to invest more Capital in one of their stores located in a dying City. jmo |
Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: Jun 25 2009 at 7:25pm
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Well it would seem that this Kmart has had troubles for some years. Any time I ever went there it always looked closed,hardly any customers in the store. I always thought it was a good location for the store but apperantly not. Maybe John Boehner is building them a new building in West Chester,you know what a fine man he is as he always takes care of everyone. ------------- No more democrats no more republicans,vote Constitution Party !! |
Posted By: 923julia
Date Posted: Jun 26 2009 at 2:27am
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But how about this one ? Is this wonderful ?
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jun 26 2009 at 7:24am
| Spider- I mentioned the subdivision of the K-Mart building, placing smaller businesses inside because of the setup my dad has in Indianapolis. He owns a "Tradin' Times" type of newspaper there doing inside sales and marketing. Printing is done through sub contracting. It is located in a large building similar to the K-Mart building. This building has many diverse businesses within- dad's being one of them. It is always full and rent is reasonable. Seems to work for them in Indy. |
Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Jun 26 2009 at 9:18am
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OK interested parties and my friend Randy:
Currently the planned closing date for K Mart is:
November 15th
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Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jun 26 2009 at 9:25am
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It would be a dandy spot for a casino! ------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jun 26 2009 at 9:43am
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I agree with that one "Slots for Everyone". Unfortunately Ohio is not progressive enough to allow such an endeavor.
This location in a Town of 30,000 People had gross revenues of $64,000,000.00 in May 2009.
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Posted By: lrisner
Date Posted: Jun 26 2009 at 11:16am
I disagree. We need to start creating Wealth in this Country once agin, not just Economic activity. Wealth helps exponentially where Eco Activity thru things like gambling, is just a Band Aid. |
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jun 26 2009 at 11:36am
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Right now Middletown needs a tourniquet, not just a band aid. Creating wealth in the Country will do nothing for what ails Middletown. The wealth has/is fleeing Middletown and the viability of Middletown is also waning. If you don't stop the hemorrhaging and fix the problems with innovative thinking, it is quite simple......THE CITY WILL DIE.
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Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Jun 26 2009 at 11:49am
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I just spoke with rep's from K-Mart and Sears. And the closing date is November 14th with the announcement being made to share holders today. |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Jun 26 2009 at 11:52am
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Randy
Will Sears be closing on that date also?
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Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Jun 26 2009 at 11:54am
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Not that i know of. Nothing was mentioned about the Sears store |
Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Jun 26 2009 at 12:16pm
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For The latest information about K-Mart closing read the story here http://www.middletownusa.com/view_news.asp?a=4449 - Middletown's K-Mart To close |
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jun 26 2009 at 1:12pm
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"Few Interested Parties in the building" sounds like Kamin Realty took the same BS course that the Towne Mall owners took. Lets see the sign went up last Thurs or Fri and was not even made Public until Monday by people on this blog and as of today they already have a "Few Interested Parties."
Let me take a line from Mike Presta.....BWHAAAAHAAAHAAAAA.
Excuse me if I am more than a little skeptical.
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Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Jun 26 2009 at 3:10pm
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K-Mart is probably deep into secret negotiations with City Hall for a prime spot in "booming" former downtown Middletown. ------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Posted By: lrisner
Date Posted: Jun 26 2009 at 5:08pm
With all due respect, you may need to re-do ECO 101. |
Unless you inherit it, it comes from economic activity.Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jun 26 2009 at 6:38pm
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"I disagree. We need to start creating Wealth in this Country once agin...."
Ok Irisner I will defer to you. Please explain how in say the next 4 years Middletown is going to benefit from Creating Wealth in this "Country". How is it going to dig itself out of the mess it has made and gotten itself into? How without a large infusion of Tax revenues in those 4 years it is going to survive? How with large Businesses fleeing Middletown Kmart, Towne Mall, AK Steel Management, Contech, Paper Mills, etc. is Creating Wealth in this Country going to Benefit Middletown? It seems to me Obama is doing a pretty good job of seeing that it isn't going to happen and if he maintains his current course the Creating of Wealth is going Overseas.
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Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: Jun 26 2009 at 7:42pm
With all due respect Pacman Middletown is already dead. The town itself is located to far off the expressway,no one knows where it is once they exit 75,council is not business friendly thus not inviting to anyone,the only thing this town has going for it is that steel mill and believe me one of these days it to will be gone. At one time Middeltown relied entirely on steel to survive,but the mill's handlers have abandoned the city. I honestly believe that the town relied so heavily on the mill that it can not survive on it's own because they don't know what to do. It's like raising a bear as a pet it's entire life then releasing that pet bear into the wild to live on it's own and it can't,there is no one there to hand it food and water,this town is the same way. When AK quit handing money to Middletown they just lost it,council went nuts because they didn't know what to do. The peope are very similar,people around here still believe the mill will save them. ------------- No more democrats no more republicans,vote Constitution Party !! |
Posted By: lrisner
Date Posted: Jun 26 2009 at 8:11pm
< ="-" ="text/; =utf-8"> OK, first let me apologize. My tone was a little too terse.
I am a bit touchy about Gambling as a “save all” for Economies. It creates no Wealth, but simply “imports” some of the area's existing wealth. Now that is not all bad, but long term, it will not save us any more than the Lottery saved the Schools. As a matter of fact, I see the Lottery as nothing but a way to get the less intelligent to pay more of the Taxes. How many Collage Grads play the lottery as opposes to the number of High School drop outs that do?
How can creating Wealth in the Nation help Middletown? It would help every town, not just Middletown! The Nation as a whole has went down the wrong path. This same problem exists in many Towns across the country, unfortunately all the City governments send their Leaders to the same Lame “Municipal Associations” type events where they generally get all the same bad ideas.
What will help Middletown? All the things we have described in many Threads. Now, be aware, Middletown will NEVER be the beacon it was in the 60s. Demographics have change to the degree that Middletown has to accept it's “lower” position among area Municipalities. Striving for anything more is the same type of Cheer leading that City Government has been doing for years now with no success. I am here and speaking out only as a last resort before I buy one of the Home bargains that now exist outside of Middletown and add my current House to the local stock of Section-8s. I have no illusion of selling without giving it away. I really don't expect to see any change due to my comments, but it will clear my consequence about abandoning my Home Town of 50 years. Oh, yea. I don't think my new tenants will pay the same City Income Tax as I do.
What does it say when a Community like Middletown is considering a new High School and the preferred location is in the extreme north east corner of the Municipal Boundary? Are the Leaders looking to create a West Chester? The West Chester I remember is at the corner of Cinn-Day Rd and LeSourdeville -West Chester Rd. Maybe they want to make a new Middletown and just want to let Downtown siphon off enough Cash to keep the Middletown Elite's Downtown property values up.
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Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: Jun 26 2009 at 9:33pm
| I think the powers to be need Eco 101. They need to get back to the basics. What they are doing is running everyone out. They do not even want to allow a gas station out by the highway. Most travelers stop to eat and fill up at the same exit. No gas station they will just keep on driving. |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Jun 27 2009 at 8:57am
Hermes- the subject of Middletown being totally reliant on steel was brought to their attention in a letter I wrote in the 80's and I personally handed it to then Councilman, Bill Donham, who was the "head dog" and well thought of in the community. It was also published in the Letters To The Editor to the community. (Note to Mike P- it was about the time that they were discussing moving the post office from down on Verity to the Montgomery Ward building over on University). The letter stated the consequences of the perverbial "eggs in one basket" theme that has been mentioned many times. As usual, they made the wrong choices by not replacing the paper mills and other assorted businesses over the years and didn't heed the letter because I didn't matter. Now, after years of inactivity of replacing those that left or went out of business, we are all seeing the devastation it has left. IMO, Middletown has a great location. If the people running the town would have kept up with the times and observed what was developing around them, we would have been "up to date" as to the town being as successful as the others have been. Gee, sometimes all it takes is to observe success and imitate it. But, nooooo, we have self destructed because we, the people, have put in place, people who were locked into a non-progressive mindset from the late 70's to now and we are so far behind the times that it will take a MAJOR (180 degree) change just to BEGIN to correct this mess they have created. Again, gut the entire Council/School Board and fire the city manager/department heads and start with problem solvers for the city instead of game players who accomplish absolutely nothing and have to back up to their paychecks out of guilt. Break down/ repour the "foundation" of this city before we can begin to rebuild the framework. That means the removal of the current administration. As long as they are there, we are going nowhere. JMO 
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Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: Jun 27 2009 at 12:55pm
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Vietvet I totally agree. We can cry into our empty soup bowl or do something about it. I agree that at every level this town needs to reinvent itself and throw out the old. ------------- No more democrats no more republicans,vote Constitution Party !! |
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jun 27 2009 at 5:39pm
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Irisner I agree with what you say. My whole contention is that Middletown needs an infusion of cash NOW. Not 5-10 years from now, not 15 years from now when the country comes back to where it was, but now.
As far as gambling goes I can take it or leave it. I have lived 5 minutes from casinos and never set foot in them the whole time I lived there. But they are a source of cash for a city in Middletowns situation and would draw people from a large surrounding area, is it going to happen probably not here but they will be in Cincy and surrounding areas before to long.
Lotterys just about every state that voted in a lottery let the state governemnt pull the wool over their eyes with the promise of it going to education. It did but the state then reduced the Education funds and then added in the lottery funds in many if not all cases.
Our only difference is that I am talking creating Revenues now and yours is a more long term strategy which I don't think Middletown can survive the wait.
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Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jun 29 2009 at 2:42pm
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From the MJ:
"Sears Holding does not release store sales data, Freely said the closing has more to do with the company not reaching an agreement with the landlord during negotiations and she did not know the specifics on the store’s performance. The store, located at 4601 Roosevelt Blvd., is owned by Daniel G. Kamin and Middletown Eastgate Llc, according to the Butler County Auditor Office’s Web site. The closing is not part of a larger initiative by Sears Holding to consolidate stores, and is one of a handful of other locations that will be shuttered this year after company evaluations, Freely said." |
Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jul 02 2009 at 11:09am
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City managers report:
K‐Mart Closing
Unfortunately, Kmart will be closing their store in Middletown in November. We have already been in contact with the appropriate parties and will visit with the remaining shops in the center to ensure their continued viability in the retail center. As unfortunate as store closings are, this is a good opportunity to examine reuse of an underutilized retail space. Kmart provides about $14,000 per year in income tax revenues. |
Posted By: here&now
Date Posted: Jul 02 2009 at 11:19am
| Well I hate to see the city all broken up about the closing of K-Mart. But Now they have more land to build section 8 on |
Posted By: da120757
Date Posted: Jul 02 2009 at 9:31pm
| If K-Mart goes out and the Mall is going down maybe Sears should move in where K-Mart is at?? And does anyone know what is going on at the old Ryans Steak House??? Alot of work going on in there??? |
Posted By: lrisner
Date Posted: Jul 02 2009 at 11:07pm
John Ridge (aka Mr Dr Jennifer Ridge) owns the building and according to what I hear is cleaning it out and selling the fixtures in hopes of a new Venture soon. |
Posted By: Bwood
Date Posted: Jul 21 2009 at 1:28pm
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Kmart will close its Middletown store in November, eliminating 61 jobs.The retailer said in a filing with the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services that it will shutter the location, on Roosevelt Boulevard, around Nov. 15. The store’s pharmacy, which employs seven, will close earlier. http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2009/07/20/daily14.html - http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2009/07/20/daily14.html ------------- Looking for news or information on display technology? If so Visit the http://amonitorblog.blogspot.com/ - Monitor Blog |