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wasteful
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 27 2009 Status: Offline Points: 793 |
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Mr. Nagy no highlights and the questions still persist and the comments don't change. At $120 Million in 1995 for East Lake an estimate/guesstimate of $250 Million in 2009 is not an out of line guesstimate, no matter where the money comes from. Middltown does not have near the conditions that East Lake had going for it in 1995.
$250 Million paves every road in Middletown, buys Towne Mall and redevelopes it and creates 1000's of jobs. Of course the bottomline is where is the money going to come from to do either of these dreams. I don't see 10 Corporations/governement stepping forward to drop $25 million each into the Second ward or the east end at this time or the near future.
The Villages of East Lake
AVERAGE RATING
460 East Lake Boulevard, Atlanta, GA 30317
Jun 15, 2009 - tubbyd72 said:
THE WORST APRTMENTS EVER ! - I hated living hear th all passion of my soul. The ever changing staff was always inept, rude,and disingenuous. The amount of out of control kids in the neighborhood was horrendous. The security was useless. The notification of anything important going on in the neighborhood was terrible. They leave the most important information stuffed in your door to get easily blow away in the wind. ...Full review of The Villages of East Lake Opinions 43 of 43 Write a review Manager Reply
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Paul Nagy
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jan 11 2009 Status: Offline Points: 384 |
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Wasteful,
Wow! I am aghast. Was I sold a bill of goods? These response were over several years and average from 5 -7 negative responses a year. I have to think that through when there are 500+ families in that development. But it certainly says something is wrong. I should have answers to my questions from East Lake this afternoon or tomorrow. I'll post them as soon as I receive them.
Thanks for your homework. Back four years ago it was the bright star in development across the country and endorsed by all of the heavy weights. Their achievfements were astounding. My what a day brings forth. The world is getting crazier by the hour.
Paul Nagy
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Wasteful Years ago I was involved in the building of many of the HUD Multi-Complex Dwellings in the tri-county area. Many were well thought out designs that offered a much better lifestyle for low income residents….HOWEVER….Two years later we found that we had a newly built ghetto. The lesson learned was it only takes a few really bad residents to bring down an entire area of this type of housing….and it is very difficult to get rid of them once they are residents because of current laws. SO the lesson to remember is just because you build a new school does not mean that all the students will suddenly become super smart....and just because you place people in new housing that their personilities and vaulues will suddenly change.
The key to success of this type of community is the screening of the residents before they move in.
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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Absolutely, Ms.Moon.
A brief, amazingly accurate assessment of the process and issues involved.
And simply basic common sense.
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Ima B. Lever
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From: BUILDER 2009 -- Posted on: July 15, 2009 12:30:00 PM HUD Seeks to Broaden HOPE VI ConceptChoice Neighborhoods Initiative would provide funding for education and transportation initiatives as well as housing.
HUD wants to create stronger communities by taking the federal HOPE VI revitalization program to the next level, according to a July 14 speech by HUD Secretary Shaun Donovan at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. At the Brookings Institution event, Donovan announced the availability of an additional $113 million in HOPE VI funding through the end of the year. But these funds come with stipulations that in some ways expand the program’s scope beyond low-income housing: HUD will now award extra points to public housing authorities that incorporate early childhood education into their applications, as well as smart growth and energy efficient development strategies. It establishes the groundwork for a broader program that HUD officials have proposed as a replacement for HOPE VI. The Choice Neighborhoods Initiative, for which HUD has requested $250 million in its proposed fiscal year 2010 budget--an amount nearly double the $130 million appropriated for HOPE VI this year--espouses a more holistic view. If approved, it will expand the range of activities eligible for urban renewal funding beyond public housing to include education and transportation. Public-private collaboration among local governments, non-profits, private firms, and public housing agencies will be encouraged. “Our federal policies have not kept up with reality. We have become a metropolitan nation, and our current policies do not reflect this,” Donovan said in his opening remarks, noting that 90 cents of every dollar in the U.S. economy is now generated by cities and their surrounding metro areas, which house more than two-thirds of the population. The multidisciplinary framework behind Choice Neighborhoods is consistent with similar efforts by HUD in recent months to align its agenda with those of other federal agencies (HUD recently announced a Sustainable Communities initiative in partnership with DOT and EPA, for example). On the topic of community revitalization, the agency has pledged to work with the Department of Education and other federal entities to create what Donovan referred to in his keynote remarks as “the geography of opportunity." This is a concept that acknowledges the importance of the built environment while acknowledging that physical structures are not the magic solution to eradicating poverty. Speaking during the same event, former HUD secretary Henry Cisneros noted that the best examples of transformed neighborhoods include mixed-income housing where “you can’t tell who is a public housing resident and who is not. What’s needed is not just a physical strategy, but one of income integration.” From a policy standpoint, Donovan said the government also must concentrate on removing existing barriers to sustainable development. Among them: limits on allowable commercial space that inhibit mixed-use development, and federal affordability metrics that currently fail to acknowledge transportation costs as a factor in affordable housing. Addressing areas hit hard by foreclosures will also be an important focus moving forward, he said, noting that some renewal efforts have been stymied by problems arising in adjacent neighborhoods. "A HOPE VI development that is surrounded by disinvestment, by failing schools, or by other distressed housing has virtually no chance of truly succeeding," Donovan said. Since the inception of HOPE VI in 1993, some 248 revitalization grants have been awarded to 130 housing authorities for a total of $6 billion. That sum, Donovan was quick to note, "has leveraged almost three times that amount in additional development capital--$17.5 billion, providing a very good return for the taxpayer, indeed." “Now we need to find a way to unlock the market response to concerns about things like energy efficiency and patterns of sprawl," Donovan added. "We need to allow the market to price in those kinds of changes in a way that government cannot.” Jenny Sullivan is senior editor covering design and community planning for BUILDER. |
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Paul Nagy
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Here is the email I sent.
If you could give me a response to the following questions that I can forward on to the readers of middletownusa.com I would appreciate it.
1.Does the mixed-income strategy worsen the city's homeless problem and is that one of the effects of evictions in a new East Lake type development?
2. East Lake received a 19% approval rate out of 37 reviews with posters lodging similiar complaints of poor security, uncleanliness, unrule neighbors and unresponsive management. What is your reaction to this?
3. Are middle-income people or market-rate people comfortable paying rent and living in a mixed-income community?
4. Augusta, Georgia seemed negative toward the project from the beginning. They said that Atlanta had things going for them that Augusta did not. If that is the case why is an East Lake type project good for Augusta or any other city that doesn't have what Atlanta had going for it?
5. A number of negative reviews were recently posted about East Lake by tenants from 2002 to 2009. Could you please respond to those reviews in general.
Thank you for your early response.
Paul Nagy Here is the reply I received.
Dear Paul,
Thank you for these thoughtful questions. I am working on the responses and will run them by Carol early next week so you can pass the information along. I also wanted to know if Bill Triick is aware of the postings? We have been working closely with him, so I’m sure he would be interested to know about the dialogue in Middletown and could perhaps weigh in on some answers as well.
In the meantime, here are two sites that I found very helpful when researching the East Lake model and other communities that are similar: · Report on East Lake before and after: http://www.eastlakefoundation.org/sites/courses/view.asp?id=346&page=45322 · Atlanta Housing Authority’s material, video and information: http://www.atlantahousing.org/portfolio/index.cfm?fuseaction=qli
Thanks and I’ll get back to you with answers as soon as possible! Laura
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Mr. Nagy And what does Bill Triick have to do with this project? |
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wasteful
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 27 2009 Status: Offline Points: 793 |
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Hahaha Vivian I was wondering the same thing about Laura and Carole? And what does Bill Triick have to do with this?
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Paul Nagy
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Vivian,
Carol is the Executive Director of the East Lake type developments throughout the country. Laura (who is new to me) is her secretary. I don't really know what Bill Triick has to do with all of this except a year or so ago I publicly (at a Council meeting) asked him to run with this project. I have been invisible to it since then and I really don't know much of what is going on with it.
When you asked about what went on at the MUM meeting that was news to me. Thats all folks! If I hear anymore I'll let you know.
Thank you for your interest and keep pushing our city forward to solve its problems.
Paul Nagy
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