Double Dippers

Change the law?

Double dippers save the district money because they come back at significantly lower salaries but offer the same level of experience. Retirees could go anyplace and begin working again while claiming their earned pension; why should it be different if they come back to the same employer?

Why?

i) Because it takes an advancement and a job from another qualified individual.

2) Because it compromises the economics and efficiencies within the state because of crony capitalism and pandering for political votes. The Dems use it as leverage for votes and legislative roadblocks (SR5 ring a bell) when those making $175,000 can retire, draw about $140,000, then get a second salary at 85%/90% or 100% of their previous salary.

3) 95% of the dippers are administrative people, the "overhead". Rarely, do you have a teacher retire and come back for a double dip. why? They are the work-a-bees, burnt out, ready for the retirement. For the admin folks, its such an easy position, they come back for the added financial benefits, and float around, just like the admin folks do in public sector.

With this said, it will never change, its too lucrative in Ohio. Admin is the place to be...not teaching. But, speaking about does not change the system. Too well established. The social security issue on the national stage.  

chmoore1 wrote: As the current school year comes to a close in the 4 months, can we find out what the school board's policy is regarding "double-dipping"?  How many teachers and administrators are currently in this practice, and what are the plans to end this?  chmoore

Ms. Andrew.  Thank you.  Can you say whether the district has any administrators who are receiving retirement benefits from the state and are still working for the district, and, if so, who?  chmoore.

acclaro wrote: Why?i) Because it takes an advancement and a job from another qualified individual.2) Because it compromises the economics and efficiencies within the state because of crony capitalism and pandering for political votes. The Dems use it as leverage for votes and legislative roadblocks (SR5 ring a bell) when those making $175,000 can retire, draw about $140,000, then get a second salary at 85%/90% or 100% of their previous salary.3) 95% of the dippers are administrative people, the "overhead". Rarely, do you have a teacher retire and come back for a double dip. why? They are the work-a-bees, burnt out, ready for the retirement. For the admin folks, its such an easy position, they come back for the added financial benefits, and float around, just like the admin folks do in public sector.With this said, it will never change, its too lucrative in Ohio. Admin is the place to be...not teaching. But, speaking about does not change the system. Too well established. The social security issue on the national stage.

Today's Journal...

Taxpayers paying $96M for unused time off
Hundreds of departing workers got more than $40K for unused leave

Ohio paid nearly $100 million in 2010 and 2011 for state employees who cashed out accrued paid time off after leaving their jobs, a workplace perk that is rare in the private sector, a Dayton Daily News investigation has found.

The $96.3 million in payouts — mostly unused sick and vacation time — went to 11,593 of Ohio’s nonuniversity employees over the past two years, according to data from the Ohio Department of Administrative Services.

About 350 employees received more than $40,000 each, with five getting more than $100,000.

Of the $96.3 million, $250,000 went to 35 employees who cashed out their unused paid time off after transferring to different state jobs that didn’t allow them to accrue leave.

Private vs. public

Most employers don’t allow their employees to cash out unused sick and vacation time. A 2011 survey by the Society of Human Resources found that only 6 percent of employers allowed workers to cash out unused sick time. Sixteen percent allowed employees to cash out unused vacation time. Seventeen percent of employers allowed their workers to cash out generic “paid time off” that encompasses both sick and vacation time.

NOW THIS WILL JUST FIRE YOU UP IF YOU ARE A PRIVATE SECTOR WORKER...

Tops was Cynthia Lemmerman, director of federal programs for the Ohio Department of Education.

Lemmerman started working for the state in November 2009 after spending 35 years as an Ohio educator, working as a teacher and administrator. She retired in January 2011, receiving a payout for both her state work and her career as an educator of $120,000, including $96,900 for unused sick time. She was re-hired for the same job, making $50.48 an hour, according to payroll records.

REHIRED AT $50.48 per hour! TWO PAYOUTS.


Retiring state employees who were paid for more than $100,000 in unused paid leave:

$120,648.04: Cynthia Lemmerman, Department of Education, director of federal programs

$116,143.31: Joseph Poole, Department of Developmental Disabilities, medical coordinator

$114,471.88: Rodney Wilson, Department of Transportation, transportation engineer

$100,799.89: Vicente Luna, Department of Mental Health, psychiatrist

$100,013.11: Deborah Roshto, Department of Education, director of office of curriculum and development

Source: Ohio Department of Administrative Services

NEW RULES......USE IT OR LOSE IT BUT YOU AIN'T GETTIN' IT IN A PAYOUT AT RETIREMENT TIME. TAXPAYERS SHAFTED AGAIN.