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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Posted: Jul 10 2010 at 9:22am |
I must say that this is a well written 96 page report on our Section 8 Housing Program. From page 26…. a factor for seperation with separation with children
9-01-2000 55 fair share vouchers None-regular vouchers 11-01-2000 200 non-elderly vouchers Non-elderly disabled 10-01-2001 200 non-elderly vouchers Non-elderly disabled 1-01-2003 200 non-elderly vouchers Non-elderly disabled 10-1-2005 108 tenant protection vouchers Families residing in Chatham Village - multifamily conversion action Middletown is currently one of the 300 largest Section 8 Public Housing Agencies in the country. The |
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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I'll go on record to say how prideful I am about how my hometown has turned out. Any of you long time residents of old Middletown share my pride in this distinction on one of the 300 largest Section 8 programs? $12 mil could go a long way in another capacity to help this town in the right way, couldn't it? Sad epitaph for a once proud town. Again, THANKS CITY LEADERS
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Hermes
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: May 19 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 1637 |
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Now that is some staggering numbers ! One of 300 largest !?! More than $12 million ?!!
What in the world are these idiots thinking ?? Or are they thinking ?
I still say section 8 is being used to the advantage of person's/personal gain in this town because there is no logical reason for these numbers. None what so ever ! When we find out who is profiting besides absentee landlords then maybe we can plug the hole and stop the contamination.
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No more democrats no more republicans,vote Constitution Party !!
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Pacman
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 02 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2612 |
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Everyone should read this document to under the issues that Middletown is dealing with as far as Section 8 is concerned:
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Hermes
Keep your eye on the ball because the feeding of City Hall is about to increase again.
1. Before this year is over The Inspection Group will be fired and ALL inspections of Section 8 housing will be done by the City. This will bring back Skip Batten and a few other employees into this department. 2. Next year they will fire CONSOC and bring the entire program in house and that will let them bring back more of their old friends into this department and Mr. Adkins will get another big raise. |
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Pacman
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 02 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2612 |
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Vivian I see no issue with the steps outlined on Page 82:
"While the City does not employ a rental registration ordinance to regulate rental units, having a City Building Inspector perform initial inspections is advantageous in three ways. First, the timing, paperwork and other problems being experienced with initial inspections would be alleviated by direct scheduling between Consoc and the City on these inspections. Second, the inspector is a certified lead based paint risk assessor by the State of Ohio and this serves as a quality control check that proper lead based paint inspections are being performed and paperwork is being turned in with the Request for Tenancy Approval for new units. Finally, the inspector is also trained on inspecting to the standards in the International Property Maintenance Code, the local property code. Under 24 CFR § 982.306(c)(6), the PHA may deny approval of an assisted tenancy when the owner has a history or practice of renting units that fail to meet State or local housing codes. Utilizing the City’s code enforcement software, the inspector can run a report of prior violations by any owner or address to determine if such a history or practice exists. Where appropriate, documentation and reporting would be submitted to the program administrator for potential denial of the owner based on past practices.
Likely Result of Implementation This proposed change provides a check and balance on lead based paint law compliance. In addition, all units that pass HQS but fail the International Property Maintenance Code will be cited with the appropriate violation. All Section 8 properties within the City should be brought up to IPMC compliance as they are brought onto the program. Understand, HQS and IPMC compliance are two different processes. In theory, the unit could pass HQS and be approved for Section 8 tenancy while the IPMC violation is being worked by City code enforcement staff. If the IPMC violation is not corrected, the owner will be cited into court and convictions over time demonstrate a history or practice of renting units that fail to meet local housing codes. This will place an additional load of about 20 inspections per month on City staff." The city is simply enforcing current laws and regulations that are on the books already. If a property fails an inspection fix the issue if you want to continue in the program. Vivian the rules are always change. You think HUD never changes a rule come on.
I also see no issue with the city employees doing the Initial inspection and TIG doing the renewals and complaint inspection. As far as what happens down the road we will have to wait and see. If the number of vouchers declines as is basically the idea, it will probably become likely that CONSOC and TIG will find that the program is no longer financially feasible for them and the city may very well take over the Administration of the program.
As far as other cities not wanting "them in their backyard" If a landlord wants to rent to a Section 8 voucher holder and meets all of the requirements there is not much the city can say.
The NAACP, They would be better off dealing with the other issues which affect the Second and Parts of the First Ward, Than making a spectacle out of a city trying to revive itself. Less than 40% of the voucher holders are black, no one who currently has a voucher will lose that voucher, no one is going to be thrown out of a home that is properly maintained, where is the beef. Maybe it is time that we as concerned citizens organize as a Group for the betterment of Middletown as a whole and not just for the few.
Business Friendly is your other concern, what about the 100's of other businesses in town? What about the many businesses who will never come to Middletown because of the high poverty rate and the stigma of having excessive Section 8? I have invested well over $500,000.00 in this city in the last 5 years what about my business friendly rights and those of other businesses in town. Much of the rental income leaves Middletown and is not spent here. Vivian stop thinking of just now and look ahead, look down the road 5 years.
I have two issues with the Cities plan:
1) What is the time line to see a reduction in vouchers in the city?
2) Lets start getting rid of these old dilapidated homes thats are inhabitable. We don't need anymore being put on rental roles. Anyone got some backhoes and dump trucks laying around they want to volunteer for a little demo.
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Business Friendly is your other concern, what about the 100's of other businesses in town? What about the many businesses who will never come to Middletown because of the high poverty rate and the stigma of having excessive Section 8?
I have never said that 1662 Section 8 Vouchers was a good thing for the City of Middletown. It was City Hall "being asleep at the wheel" that has caused this entire mess. This is the same inspection law that they can use to shut down your business. Much of the rental income leaves Middletown and is not spent here. Most of the payroll of City Hall isn't spent here either Vivian stop thinking of just now and look ahead, look down the road 5 years. Pacman, If we don't change the thinking of City Hall soon you and a lot of other business people will not have a business to worry about in five years. What is going to happen when all these bank foreclosed homes and businesses hit the open market? What will your property be worth then? I have two issues with the Cities plan: 1) What is the time line to see a reduction in vouchers in the city?
I do not believe that HUD will allow the City to reduce the vouchers 2) Lets start getting rid of these old dilapidated homes thats are inhabitable. We don't need anymore being put on rental roles. Anyone got some backhoes and dump trucks laying around they want to volunteer for a little demo.
The City should have taken care of this problem for years. Many of these old houses have been sitting empty for years. Why don't you ask City Hall why they are still standing? |
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Pacman
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 02 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2612 |
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Vivian I don't think you understand the plan that Mr. Adkins has laid out. If you haven't seen the meeting at the end of June concerning this matter you should watch it.
No the city is not going to shut me down I just had a remodel done and have no lead based paint etc,, have no children living in my place of Business,
The fact that so many City Hall employees live out of town is disheartening but immaterial to this issue.
Yes It is the leadership that has gotten us into this mess, old news that has been discussed many times.
Personally I think Mr. Adkins is showing us some great out of the box thinking for this issue and I applaud what he has come up with.
If I understand Mr. Adkins plan it is not about HUD reducing the vouchers Middletown has NOW, it is about Middletown inducing the voucher holders to seek housing outside of the city. MUCH LIKE THE CITY OF PARMA HAS DONE AND I BELIEVE THOUGH THEY HAVE 700-800 VOUCHERS ISSUED TO THEM THEY ONLY HAVE ABOUT 50-60 VOUCHER HOLDERS LIVING IN THE CITY OF PARMA.
We all know the city should have taken care of this problem for years. They should have done a lot of things but they didn't. So maybe now if enough citizens start pushing for the city to do what needs to be done something will be accomplished.
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Pacman
I think you need to read the International Property Maintenance Code that does apply to your business.
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Pacman
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Vivian I have looked at it. You don't know where my business is located and who is responsible for what maintenance or upkeep wise. I am confident I have no issues and if I were to have one I would simply cure the issue and move on. I never said that the IPMC didn't apply to my business, but you want to imply that landlords of Section 8 rentals should be exempt from the Laws & Regs. simply so the City can be "Business Friendly" for them only.
I guess the next time the Fire Dept. comes around and finds one of my exit signs batteries is not working and they give me a notice to get it fixed, I should yell, "Business Friendly, Business Friendly". I am sure that will work.
You know when/if someone ever actually gets hurt in one of these rentals you will be the first to hang every city official in Donham Square at High Noon.
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Pacman This is a well written report however....
Why didn’t City Hall do an impact study before they made In my opinion everyone that was involved in this mess should be fired today. It is evident that City Hall didn’t tell City Council Members the truth about what was going on with this program or they were in on the plan also. Year after year City Hall didn’t try to correct the problems of the Section 8 Program. This is a very sad and upsetting report to read. |
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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agree with pretty much of what was opined by Ms.Moon.
I congratulate Mr.A for his research and effort on this project, and commend him on having the balls to make his serious, community-changing recommendations.
Ship 25% of the Section 8 to east of I-75, and more business variances west ofr Breiel.
Sign ordinance violations are coming out in droves, though little to none going to violators in the Cin.-Dayton Rd.area and east. Instead those violators are requesting emergency signage variances only for their area(while avoiding similar citation letters). Gow will ED,planning,planning comm. and Council resolve these concerns and actions fairly and constructively?
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Pacman
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jun 02 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2612 |
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Ms. Vivian, I agree with you 100%. Although I am not buying that past Councils weren't aware of the Section 8 issue. I also don't think that the Section 8 issue would have come to a head if we on this board had not started talking about it almost 2.5- 3 years ago. There are a lot of people that are now aware of this issue from this board, yet refrain from ever posting. The fact that you can contribute to a cities downfall in such a manner and still retain your job I find amazing.
No city admin. where I have ever lived and that is about 20 different cities would ever take this approach to stabilizing there housing issues. It is just not a practical or sensible action from any standpoint especially economically. Yet they have gotten away with it, buy saying ooopppppppps.
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Below is HUD's response to the 96 page City of Middletown's Section 8 Analysis. Attachment Set forth below are direct quotes from the report along with HUD's clarification and/or correction: SECTION 8 ANALYSIS REPORT: HUD's first point regarding reduction of vouchers was that they would not seriously consider a reduction of voucher levels while the City maintains a local preference for When we discussed the possibility of partial voucher transfers, HUD referred us to HUD Notice PIH 2007-06 (HA), issued on HUD's reliance upon a "substantiated compelling reason " started the staff process that lead to the creation of this report. If a substantiated compelling reason is required to transfer vouchers and HUD won't permit partial transfers while the City remains high in poverty, what else could be used as a compelling reason to gain HUD approval? HUD RESPONSE: At no time did HUD officials make statements concerning reduction of vouchers relative to the City's local preference for HUD Notice 2007-6, "Process for Public Housing Agency Voluntary Transfers of Housing Choice Vouchers, Project-Based Vouchers and Project-Based Certificates" issued Middletown should not act in anticipation that such a transfer request would be granted when the sole purpose is to reduce housing assistance to those in need in Middletown. Currently MPHA has around 1,500 families being served by the program as well as a lengthy waiting list. A partial or total transfer of the program to another PHA would not necessarily result in a reduction in the families served by the program but rather a change in administration of the program to another PHA. SECTION 8 ANALYSIS REPORT: HUD's next point was that if we operated our program similar to the Parma program, we would keep all vouchers active, provide service to over 1600 low income families, be compliant with HUD program requirements, retain administrative income from the vouchers, execute the Master Plan objectives, and still achieve the reduction of vouchers within the City that we seek. HUD RESPONSE: HUD's discussion about SECTION 8 ANALYSIS REPORT: Staff recommends reducing the payment standard to 90% of FMR within the City of HUD RESPONSE: MPHA's payment standards are currently set at 100% of the FMR. In accordance with 24 CFR 982.505 9(c) (3) when the payment standard amount is decreased during the term of the HAP contract, the lower payment standard amount generally must be used to calculate the monthly housing assistance payment for the family beginning at the effective date of the family's second regular reexamination following the effective date of the decrease in the payment standard amount. Movers and new admissions within the city would be effected 8 immediately; however, payment standard amounts for families under HAP contracts cannot be reduced until the second reexamination. HUD does monitor rent burdens of families assisted by the program and can require a PHA to increase payment standard amounts within the basic range when 40% or more of families occupying a particular unit size pay more than 30% of monthly adjusted income as the family share. It may well be that one payment standard within In addition, if use of vouchers outside SECTION 8 ANALYSIS REPORT: Under the MPHA Current Administrative Plan, Section XVI/(d): The dwelling unit shall be in compliance with HUD lead based paint regulations, 24 CFR, Part 35, issued pursuant to the Lead Based Paint Poisoning Prevention Act, 42 USC 28001, and owner shall provide a certification that the dwelling is in accordance with such HUD regulations. Recommended Changes: The current plan language does little to document compliance with HUD regulations and/or HUD RESPONSE: The Housing Choice Voucher Program is subject to the following subparts of 24 CPR Part 35: Subpart A, Disclosure; Subpart B, General Lead-Based Paint Requirements 9 and Definitions for All Programs; Subpart M, Tenant-Based Rental Assistance; and Subpart R, Methods and Standards for Performing Lead Hazard Evaluation and Reduction Activities. Lead based paint performance requirements are included as part of the Housing Quality Standards ("HQS") inspections and must be met before a unit can be assisted or continue to be assisted where the unit and family are subjected to these requirements. MPHA is proposing to require a risk assessment for any housing unit constructed prior to 1978 before the HQS inspection. If lead based paint is discovered on assessment, the owner must abate each lead based paint surface before commencement of assistance. The changes to the HQS inspection process and HUD lead based paint requirements that MPHA is proposing to implement far exceed the requirements required by the regulations. HUD regulations exempt certain units from lead based paint requirements. Exempt units include units where a child under the age of six does not reside or is not expected to reside as well as efficiency units and Single Room Occupancy ("SRO") units. In addition, in the HCY program, risk assessments are only required where a child has been identified as having an environmental intervention blood lead level. To implement the changes that MPHA is proposing to require as part of HQS inspections would involve a variation to the HQS acceptability criteria and require HUD approval as provided in 24 CFR 982.401 (a) (4) (i). Be advised that this office would not entertain such a proposal as it would severely restrict housing choice. Roughly 75% of rental occupied housing in SECTION 8 ANALYSIS REPORT: For units constructed prior to 1978, owners must complete and submit the MPHA Lead Paint Owner's Certification, Housing Choice Voucher Program as part of the Request for Tenancy Approval (RTA). The lead based paint inspector must be licensed by the State of HUD RESPONSE: The form being proposed for use would incorporate standards that exceed HQS, as stated above, which this office will not consider. The referenced forms in the HUD Guidebook are only for units where a risk assessment is required, i.e. where a child is determined to have had an elevated blood lead level -not for all units. SECTION 8 ANALYSIS REPORT: While the City does not employ a rental registration ordinance to regulate rental units, having a City Building Inspector perform initial inspections is advantageous in three ways. First, the timing, paperwork and other problems being experienced with initial inspections would be alleviated by direct scheduling between Consoc and the City on these inspections. Second, the inspector is a certified lead based paint risk assessor by the State of Ohio and this serves as a quality control check that proper lead based paint inspections are being performed and paperwork is being turned in with the Request for Tenancy Approval for 10 new units. Finally, the inspector is also trained on inspecting to the standards in the International Property Maintenance Code, the local property code. Under 24 CFR § 982.306(c)(6), the PHA may deny approval of an assisted tenancy when the owner has a history or practice of renting units that fail to meet State or local housing codes. Utilizing the City's code enforcement software, the inspector can run a report of prior violations by any owner or address to determine if such a history or practice exists. Where appropriate, documentation and reporting would be submitted to the program administrator for potential denial of the owner based on past practices. HUD RESPONSE: MPHA is proposing to use the International Property Maintenance Code in conducting its HQS inspections. As noted above, this change to the inspection process would involve a variation to the HQS acceptability criteria and require HUD approval as provided in 24 CFR 982.401 (a) (4) (i). A modification to MPHA's HQS inspections using portions of the International Property Maintenance Code was approved by this office in 2002. Any further modifications would require HUD approval. SECTION 8 ANALYSIS REPORT: Local Preferences [24 CFR 982.207; HCVp. 4-16J The PHA is permitted to establish local preferences and to give priority to serving families that meet those criteria. HUD specifically authorizes and places restrictions on certain types of local preferences. HUD also permits the PHA to establish other local preferences, at its discretion. Any local preferences established must be consistent with the PHA plan and the consolidated plan, and must be based on local housing needs and priorities that can be documented by generally accepted data sources. HUD RESPONSE: Changes to the occupancy policies and preferences will require a modification to the 2010 PHA Plan submitted to this office. MPHA may not adopt the modification until a meeting of the Board of Commissioners/City Council is held and the meeting at which the modification is adopted is open to the public. Additionally, the modifications cannot be implemented until notification of the modification is provided to HUD and approved by HUD in accordance with the review procedures provided in 24 CFR 903.23 . SECTION 8 ANALYSIS REPORT: The City has supported Hope House for years. We are utilizing HOME funds in 2010 to assist with $80,000 in renovations for the new Women's Shelter on Girard. The shelter will be a transitional shelter for 3-6 months to allow victims of domestic violence the opportunity to safely get away from their abuser and to rebuild their lives. We have recommended a local preference for victims of domestic violence. We have also recommended a large reduction in vouchers operating within the City. If it would be appropriate, expanding the number of vouchers in the SRO program would use more of the City of HUD RESPONSE: The SRO Program is funded by HUD through the Office of Community and Planning Development. The ACC is separate and apart from the ACC for the Housing Choice Voucher Program. The subsidy is project based and has nothing to do with the Housing Choice Voucher Program. Vouchers are not used in SRO projects |
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Nelson Self
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Miss Vivian -
Is it really true that One Donham Plaza senior staff are contemplating hiring a consultant attorney to handle this complex matter?
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Nelson Self
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Miss Vivian -
How sad that the public is mostly uninformed as to how the Community Revitalization Department is spending $400,000+ allocated by HUD for the HOME Program for the 2010-2111 Program Year that began on June 1, 2010. Since $80,000 is being utilized for the Battered Women's Shelter on Girard, do we have any idea as to how and where the other $320,000 is being spent?
It was only 18 months ago when DETAILED budgetary and other information on the HOME and CDBG Programs was presented via PowerPoint at two required public hearings held by City Council. Once the resolution to file said applications was granted City Council, applications were then sent to HUD - Columbus Field Office no later than the respective April 15th deadlines.
Similarly, until the latter part of 2008 the City of Middletown once had a geographically, vocationally and ethnically diverse HUD Consolidated Planning Advisory Committee that was subsequently scrapped by certain senior City staff. This 13-member body had FULL ACCESS to proposed budgetary and programmatic information PRIOR TO CITY COUNCIL SUBMISSION. Paul Renwick, Bert Grimes, Walter Leap, Rosa Lean Lindsey, Dr. Mitchell Foster, Wanda Glover, Chris Amburgey, etc. were active participants. The present so-called Committee has a much lesser role and is apparently selected by Miss Judy and Doug.
Only until the City of Middletown has legitimate transparent and accountable governance will any of us really know what now goes on at One Donham Plaza.
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VietVet
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From the Journal article "Area residents thankful for many things"- 11/25/10........Steve Hightower, a local businessman and a supporter of the Dream Center, said, “the people who really need it is what keeps me close to it. It’s amazing the amount of poverty we’ve got in this community.” This, coming from an acknowledged prominent business man, recognized for the awards and accomplishments he has achieved. He has recognized the poverty. Why can't city hall see the light? Ironic observation, since the city leaders, past and present, created this poverty climate for the city. Another indictment on the "welfare town" theme they have created. Shameful.
His mother, Jennifer, said people could eat their meals there or take them home. Many of them also left with some food to eat later. “That’s the rule. You can’t leave here without a plate,” she said. “You’d be surprised about the number of people who don’t have anywhere to go (for a Thanksgiving meal).” The economy is certainly a major player in contributing to the poverty and desperation, but the city did us no favors in saturating the city with people who are on the edge either. |
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Just out of curiosity where would this "outside the city limits" be located?
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