Why were teenagers carrying guns? Is there any statute on the books in Ohio as to age for carrying or having ccw?

i would be willing to bet the teen had a stolen gun! might not had ammo for it, but it was real! and the teen paid the price for pointing at someone who he did not think had a gun coming out of the mall with signs on the doors saying NO GUNS allowed! the ccw lic holder must have not seen the sign or maybe he just did not care that there are signs when going in the mall, then coming out , his gun saved his life !!  plus he got to keep his tennis shoes...

Mom, living in Columbus. Dad and son living in Middletown with dad working out of town on multiple jobs to make ends meet. The son, with no supervision, including a mentor, running with the wrong crowd and now dead because no one was there to tell him he was on the wrong path. Couple that with the inability of the kid to make wise life choices but instead choosing the criminal record route. Parents duty to teach the kid right from wrong. They failed. Look in the mirror for the problem.

Other similar recent issues not conducive to proper behavior......

4 or 5 cops take down a large minority male with a choke hold applied to the guy even after he said he couldn't breath and ended up dying. Why didn't the dam cop let lose of the throat grip after he was down on the ground with 4 cops sitting on him? Cop should be prosecuted. His actions were wayyyy over the top for the situation. Usually take the cops side on things. Not this time. This, all because he was going to another state, purchasing cigarettes and selling 'em back in NY, making a profit. Was the selling of cigarettes worth him losing his life over? Don't think so.

Teenage kid waving a gun, out of the package, around a Beavercreek Wal-Mart. Told to put the gun down. Failed to comply with the cops instructions and now dead. Parents duty to teach a kid right from wrong. They failed and have the audacity to get on TV and take it to another level when THEY were the catalyst for the initial issue. The fault is in the mirror if they would look at themselves.

Ferguson Mo. and the total idiocy going on there with the retribution from the minority community coming in the form of burning and looting everything in sight.....IN THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD. This, in lieu of holding the kid responsible for his actions and the parents teaching the kid the correct behavior for society acceptance. If the MAN is the problem, why not go the where the MAN lives and burn their neighborhood down. Instead, they torch their own surroundings. Incredible.

All of these incidents.......total wastes of life, and sadly, now we are all seeing it as a trend. Button down the hatches and get your guns out. It's the wild west again folks

I don't think that any one ever had to tell me not to point guns at cops or try to take their gun and beat them up, or go around pointing toy guns at other people and or cops and not expect to get shot! Now I guess that the answer is to take guns away from everyone because of these idiots? Or make them less accessible To law abiding citizens? Maybe we should just rely on government to protect us I trust politicians about as far as I can throw them. obama, eric holder al sharpton and the media seem to fanning the flames and want civil unrest. Building shrines to a thug that robbed a store then tried to beat a cop and take his gun winds up dead made into a hero and the cops the bad guy? 

This issue has played on my mind since it has come up again

On my businesses, I had the stickers stating no firearms allowed inside. I was a Chamber member, BusinessWatch member and served on the Citizens' Advisory Board to the Police Dept. At our scheduled meetings, police dept.representatives brought these stickers, passed them out and encouraged their posting. I thought long and hard, then complied.

My reasoning was(and still is):

I have been arm-robbed at least a half-dozen times in my business lifetime, and have dealt with weapons on/in hand on other occasions. It is scary, dangerous and lives are at stake. Simply having a robber holding a weapon on a co-worker and/or myself is a life-changing experience at it's most fortunate.

I have never experienced another person pulling out a weapon to confront an armed robber, and hopefully never will. Rule pretty much everywhere is to co-operate with the robber by slowly doing what the robber demands without any resistance. Lives are worth FAR more than $$ and property. Get it over with as quickly and safely as possible.

I don't see how another person pulling out a weapon for confrontation would save anyone, and my worst nightmare scenario would have been to have an armed shoot-out take place in an open customer/employee populated space. The damage(un-controlled) could be more than catastrophic. Give up the $$ and end the situation as quickly and painlessly as possible.

Would allowing weapons on patrons deter robberies?
I don't know--I can't say that it would in most situations.

Other opinions?

Say the situation would have turned out differently. Say the person did not have a weapon to shoot the kid attempting to do armed robbery for shoes. Say the kid would have gotten away with it.

Isn't there a chance that the kid might have thought how easy it was to get what he wanted simply by waving a gun in someone's face, and kept repeating this many times? IMO, there needs to be a deterrent to counteract bad, sometimes life threatening behavior. The deterrent is the CC gun holder for the instant remedy at the time. Can't wait to call 911 and wait for a cop when a gun is in your face.

As in today's soft school environment, the deterrent has been removed (corporal punishment in the schools case), and the acts go unpunished. The problem student has no respect for the system and it becomes a joke to them. Same with the criminal who has no respect for law and order. Death Row and prison time are the deterrents for them. We have just added another deterrent in the form of CC.

Your comment:

"Would allowing weapons on patrons deter robberies?"

Some criminals may be intimidated by this. Others probably don't care enough about their lives, are willing to roll the dice and take the risk on a continual basis, betting the victim doesn't have a weapon.

"I have never experienced another person pulling out a weapon to confront an armed robber, and hopefully never will. Rule pretty much everywhere is to co-operate with the robber by slowly doing what the robber demands without any resistance"

Yeah, I would give the the armed robber what he wanted (the shoes) with a gun pointed in my face, then, as he left and turned his back, follow him out to the parking lot with my CC. He wouldn't be expecting that now would he? I believe that to be fair. He put my life on the line.....now it's his turn. Just something about someone holding my life in their hands, especially with a weapon, that tells me I must get even. Guess that's called being a vigilante. An actual situation would be the decider.

Studies have shown repeatedly, unless one is a trained daily in rapid response, such as a police officer, in almost any situation where your life is on the line, you'll freeze, miss the target, and be killed.

I would never shop where a concealed weapon was allowed. Firstly, if one is put into situation where they confront an angry person, and they are angry, its easy to kill someone. I was in Birmingham Alabama a few years ago, when the woman got angry at another driver, ran her off the exit, and charged the driver. The driver carried a gun, and shot her a foot from the door. When confronted, there is a tendency to over react when armed. I used to live in PA years ago in college, and had a few state troopers tell me how many truckers killed individuals over road rage, when they'd be trailed, a mad driver ran up to truck cab. Trucker reaches back, pulls out a shotgun, kills road raged driver, and gets life for second degree murder.

Stray bullets are bad. Hate to be in a store when wild bullets go through air, hitting innocent by-standers,

That's my opinion.

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there is many of ccw lic holders that are very deadly serious when carrying just like the man at the mall that was Concealed  when he had a gun in his face! the bad boy was not ready for what was getting ready to happen, many who carry not only do the class to get the lic we also take defensive carry classes, i will be taking another very soon with 5 of my buds, lol  really do need to stay fresh and we target shoot alot because its just fun to me also have the glock 42 380 cal sweet shooting!! it is for real when carrying and of what might happen when you walk out the door! i also walk 5 to 8 miles a day to stay in shape, the city i live in now is way more safe to do the walking i do, i have had a real big bull looking dog come a hair from ripping off my leg, i drew on it and was doing a whole lot of yelling at it to keep it away from me, with cell in other hand calling the PD, i have them on fast dial! lucky i was able to back away from it, then the owners opened their door and called their dog back, the cops came and the dog warden came and took the dog because this was not the first time these people let this dog out and came after other people, i was told i would have to let the monster head bite me before i could legally shoot the stinking thing!!   the thing is i did not expect a monster type dog to come after me that day! and it had me shaking, i was in the street with gun out trying to back up too the other side of the road with the dog charging and to get in the grass cause i had my 45 on me and thinking i could miss or shoot it  and it going thru the stinking dog and bouncing off the blacktop  and kill someone in their home so i did not fire because also common sense told me not to!!   just because i carry i sure hope to god i never have to draw on anybody or thing and have to pull that trigger!!  but if i have to i am going to try my best to come out on top!       

I want to thank sj for his commitment to the store(s) over many years. One can only imagine what he confronted in the situations briefly described. I have a friend whom is a Regional VP of Costco and I could not believe the perishment from thieves in Costco, and members trying to take items to the point hidden shoppers disguised as members daily, when executive memberships run about 120 a year. I have been in Krogers when women have been arrested for stuffing pork chops down their jacket. I have driven down Vine Street visiting UC in Clifton, and praying I wasn't shot or hit by a stray bullet.

The city is dangerous, and high risk poker for a retailer. I'd pack it in instead of dealing with the headaches and serious risk to potential bodily harm  At some point, and soon, the risk in living in the city outweighs the benefit, if there is one.

Oh and Spidejohn didn't include all the bad checks and stolen Food Stamp Card that he had to deal with...
And people just can't understand why it is so difficult for a small business owner to operate.

SpiderI would like to Thank You also for feeding me for so many years...I sure do miss your Fried Chicken and your friendly smile.