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Vivian Moon
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Posted: Apr 14 2014 at 6:47am |
Posted: 12:00 a.m. Monday, April 14, 2014 To sell or not? That’s the question council facesBy Rick McCrabb Staff Writer MIDDLETOWN — One of the investors interested in purchasing the city-owned Bank One building downtown wants City Council to delay its decision on whether to sell the property. In an e-mail to Mayor Lawrence Mulligan Jr. that was obtained by the Journal-News, Mike Robinette, who already owns several properties in the city, suggested council table its discussion set for Tuesday’s meeting. At the last council meeting, members were told Toast of the Town Events LLC, offered $135,000 for the Bank One building, 2 S. Main St., and artist and owner Chris Walden planned to convert the building into an art gallery and event center. They heard a presentation from Doug Adkins, director of community revitalization, and will vote on the emergency legislation Tuesday. Robinette has said that he was interested in buying the building, but was told by city officials that it wasn’t for sale, since it was being lease to Miami University Middletown. But when Robinette learned that Toast of the Town Events had made an offer, he made two offers: one for $185,000, and a second for $202,500, or $67,500 more than the offer the city is considering. Adkins told council the offer was unsolicited and said it made “good sense” because it generated revenue, fit the downtown business plan and got the city out of the landlord business. The building is valued at $137,980, according to the Butler County Auditor’s Office. The city paid $275,000 in December 2010 to the Perry Thatcher estate for several downtown properties: CG&E Building, First National building, Masonic Temple and the Bank One building, Adkins said. He said the city received $202,000 from Higher Education Partners for the purchase of the former CG&E Building that is being used by Cincinnati State Middletown. If the Bank One building is sold, the city would make $62,000 off its investment. City Council has donated the First National building to Cincinnati State Middletown and the Masonic Temple building to the Art Central Foundation. In an e-mail to Robinette, Mulligan said council was interested in a selling the properties to “a broad, diverse group of investors and owners that can help move these properties forward.” While Mulligan said there are examples where single ownership and control works well, but in the city’s case, he believed “diversification is better.” Robinette’s investment group, Geo CRE, already owns the Goetz Tower and the Rose Furniture building. Robinette wrote that the city should conduct a competitive process for the sale of this property. He said the Bank One property has significantly more valueable than the negotiated price of $135,000. “We believe it is important that the city thoroughly evaluate all offers for the purchase of this property, considering their track record of success and ability to successfully complete and sustain the project,” he wrote. |
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VietVet
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"TO SELL OR NOT?"
How about "TO FOLLOW THE LAW OR NOT?" How about "TO MAKE THE SALES IN A COMPETITIVE, OPEN ENVIRONMENT OR NOT?" How about "TO SELL TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER?" WOULDN'T ANY OF THESE OPTIONS BE BETTER THAN TO CHOOSE THE BUYER BASED ON THE OLD TIME WORN THEME OF CATERING TO THE FRIENDS OF THE CITY AND CLOSING THE DOOR ON ANY OTHERS THAT ARE INTERESTED? WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY BUILDING AND BEHIND THAT COUNCIL DESK? |
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I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.
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spiderjohn
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Cool--I expect this to be pulled due to the possibility that it will not pass as an "emergency"--why should it
Getting my bid ready |
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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"because it ... fit the downtown business plan"!?!?!?
That is exactly the problem!!! 1. What the heck city government doing imposing a "business plan"??? 2. Their "business plan" is the same old risky scheme that has continuously failed for decades (using other people's money, I might add)!!!
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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acclaro
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It matters not to me, whom gets the building.
What matters is the law as written is followed, associated with an equitable and publicized bidding process. And, the city receives the maximum amount of money from liquidation. Simple. Amazing how the city could not fund Sunset Pool, its glorious history, and usage for decades, and could care less about making an extra 75,000- 100,000, or more. Finally; Larry Mulligan says; "While Mulligan said there are examples where single ownership and control works well, but in the city’s case, he believed “diversification is better.” Wait Larry, didn't the city buy all the buildings to prevent diversification, to control who, why, and when, in order to avoid real estate speculation that was supposedly going to prevent Cincinnati State from having HEP spend more money? Elementary contradictions ERODE any credibility by anyone at Donham and Main. Lets walk through this again: 1. Open bids 30-45 days. 2. Sell to highest bidder 3. Proceed to selling airport 4. Close on building after bidding closed. Painless. |
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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Vivian Moon
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Gentlemen, |
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acclaro
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Memo to MUM;
Monthly RENT, $ 5200 OVER 5 Years- $312,000. Bid range- 135,000; 200,000. Savings if Buy- Greater than $100,000. So....why not bid? Okay, get it. You lease as a favor to PT and city. |
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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Vivian Moon
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Mike_Presta
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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acclaro
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Valid point on funding an officer or two, and cost to restore/ maintain.
Surprised HEP hasn't shown an interest non C State related, just benefit from return on low capital outlay. Mr. Coon is impressive with the work they have done in this wheelhouse, historic. Who is the E in Geo CRE, (Coon, Robinette, and E?) Just curious, no significance to process. |
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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Mike_Presta
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City Hall should have no concern with whom the bidder is--only with whether or not they have submitted a legitimate bid. Neither should City Hall have any concern with the successful bidder's "business plan". After the sale, City Hall's only concerns should be whether or not the property is maintained in compliance with building codes and in compliance with zoning ordinances!!! If the mayor (or any other city official) wants to get involved with "business plans", they should resign, develop all the business plan that their hearts' desire, and then raise the private venture capital necessary to implement those plans!!!
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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acclaro
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A subsidiary of Weit-Keiffer LLC is interested in bidding that does strategic fund raising consulting for higher learning institution, the elite privates. Non profit, no property taxes, will offer to redo the MUM contract at cost, no mark-up to MUM, for 5 year commitment.
This may be interesting to determine what the final cash $ to be. Isn't the concept of open, public bidding, to guarantee everyone has a seat at the table? Appears council thinks taxpayer cash is their hedge fund investment to use. Transparency is a good thing. |
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Vivian Moon
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S T A F F R E P O
R T Date: Original Purchase Price
by City: $275,000 for all buildings Less Cinergy purchase by
HEP: -$202,000 Deficit: ($ 73,000) Purchase price to City
for Bank One: $ 135,000 SUBJECT 1 Net to City from all purchase/sale transactions: $+62,000 |
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Vivian Moon
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APPRAISAL OF BANK ONE BUILDING $297,000 to $300,000 and is now listed as an income property.
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Vivian Moon
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Please notice that this appraisal was completed on May 7,2014
When was it placed on the City Web Site? Is City Hall back to playing games with the sell of this property again? |
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swohio75
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I don't care what an appraisal says, a building is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
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Vivian Moon
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swohio75
I don't think $135,000 will buy this building now...unless you are a friend of those at City Hall. |
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Factguy
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$300,000 won't buy the building, unless you have detailed plans for use that is compliance with usage defined by Marty Kohler and others associated with art, history, and dining.
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Vivian Moon
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.....and that Factguy is why THEIR DOWNTOWN will not thrive
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spiderjohn
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but....everything other city property in the area has been GIVEN away, + cash for repairs and efforts to achieve govt.grants, factguy?
city was ready to sell it for $135,000 to a sketchy group with very vague plans.... adjacent corners were given away-Rose building was given away + $300,000+, and nothing seems to be going on with any of them. city actions have rendered downtown property to be valued as worthless liabilities---the old Wards building--Sonshine--Ligon's--Studio/Strand--Happy Hobby House--Midd.Journal building--Historical Society site--Sorg Opera House(Colonial Theater-duh) etc. check out the history of city involvement over the last decade+----forgiven loans, giveaways, repeated façade grants--all with virtually no conditions or time lines and not a lot to show for them-- is admin being vindictive after being nailed trying to illegally move this property? remember--we don't really have a new city manager yet what is the hold-up/snafu, factguy? why RENT to MU-M while GIVING the farm to C State? who has done the most to improve the city and long-term commitment/service? but I really like the people involved with both MU-M and C St. C St. and Beau Verre are the only success stories in the district, though per $$ invested, expensive to the local taxpayers |
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swohio75
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Speaking of commercial property, I understand the old Central Ave Dillman's store is on the market with a long-term lease agreement with Dollar General for over $1.3 million.
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over the hill
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 19 2012 Location: middletown Status: Offline Points: 952 |
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Beau-Verre has had their share of "sweetheart" deals while flying under the radar. I think some in the city building are running scared because their house of cards is about to crumble. Little by little their "dirty deals" are being uncovered. I don't think we have seen the last one. IMO
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Factguy
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The property tax on the old Dillman store will be very high on a commercial lease. They should have waited a year and bought the Marsh property and made it a super-store. Jay Moorman said what the terms of his deal were, 300,000, which they paid back. What's the issue? City opening time for more bidders, and also writing bid requirements for use, as it would be unfair to have staggered bids rolling in, each knowing the offer from another submitted prior. Gnau who bought the Manchester is interested in buying Bank One. That will drive up Stefano's, barbecue joint, hair stylist.
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Factguy
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Hasten to add: MUM has said they will leave the Bank One building if the buyer for building doesn't meet the standards the city will have for building. Only reason MUM is downtown is to help city. Play by their rules, or no MUM lease dollars, and won't be able to buy buildings if over 100,000 highest bidder that is in line with city. Robinette has too many downtown, city wants it to be diverse. Mark it down. MUM lease up end of June.
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