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Vivian Moon
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MIDDLETOWN CITY COUNCIL AGENDA |
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Vivian Moon
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ORDINANCE NO. O2014-18 |
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Vivian Moon
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S T A F F R E P O R T For Business Meeting: April 1, 2014 DATE: March 19, 2014 TO: Judy Gilleland FROM: Doug Adkins, Director, Community Revitalization Sale of Bank One Building PURPOSE To authorize the City Manager to enter into a contract to sell the Bank One building to Toast of the Town Events, LLC.. BACKGROUND AND FINDINGS As you are aware, staff received an unsolicited offer to purchase the Bank One building from local artist and businessman Chris Walden. He would be purchasing the building under the business name of Toast of the Town Events, LLC. The offer is: 1. Purchase price of $135,000. (The Auditor’s value for the property is $137,980.) 2. Mr. Walden may exercise a 60 day rescission period to conduct due diligence. Mr. Walden is aware of repairs made to date and wants to fully explore if there are other major repair expenses coming. City staff is not aware of any long term repairs needed beyond completed renovations. 3. Mr. Walden takes possession at closing. 4. The lease with MUM will be honored. The Middletown Historical Society, which leases storage space in the basement, and AAUW may or may not have to be relocated for renovations. Mr. Walden will assist with any needed relocations. This offer makes sense from a purchase price and an operations perspective. Purchase Price: The City paid $275,000 for the Cinergy Building, First National building, Masonic Temple, and the Bank One building. The City received $202,000 from Higher Education Partners for the purchase of Cinergy. The sale of Bank One more than recoups taxpayer money used to fund the initial purchase of all of these buildings. Original Purchase Price by City: $275,000 for all buildings Less Cinergy purchase by HEP: -$202,000 Deficit: ($ 73,000) Purchase price to City for Bank One: $ 135,000 SUBJECT 1 Net to City from all purchase/sale transactions: $+62,000 Operations: On a rental revenue vs. expense analysis since purchase, the City ends up with approximately $51,000 positive cash flow from this deal: Rent Received Expenses Ongoing monthly revenues/expenses: $ 5,767 ($ 2,370) Rental Revenue Expenses From Purchase to 12/31/13: $173,318 ($122, 299) MUM repairs in process: ($ 16,850) 2014 rent/expenses to closing $ 28,835 ($ 11,850) (assumes 5/31/14 closing) Balance at time of transfer: $202,153 ($150,999) Net Cash Flow Operations since purchase: +$51,154 Positive Net Cash Flow to City from Sales and Operations: $113,154 This bid would be accepted without an invitation to bid publicly. While a few individuals have previously expressed interest in the building, Mr. Walden actually submitted an unsolicited offer which appears to meet all of Council’s long term objectives. First, the accepted bid recovers taxpayers funds used for both purchase and ongoing expenses. We will eventually have all of the Thatcher buildings in this purchase back in productive use with no net taxpayer dollars used to drive the economic development. This is a good deal for the City and the residents. Second, there is value in having a number of developers working downtown. Mike Robinette’s group has several downtown properties in development, and we are working with the current bidder on this property, Mr. Grau on the Manchester Inn/Sonshine deal and also have the Sorg Opera group, etc. There is value to not placing all of our development eggs in one basket so that in the case any individual development fails, the remainder continue our progress downtown. We have offered our support to historic tax credits, etc., to all groups downtown and will continue to offer City support where appropriate to all developers working to revive downtown. Third, this use is consistent with the arts and education focus of downtown. The proposed use as a gallery and small events location keeps MUM as a tenant while offering additional productive use of the bank atrium with events, new economic impact and new limited employment opportunities. 2 Finally, Council previously stated that the City should not be in the landlord business on a long term basis. With the sale of Bank One, all of the above purchased buildings will be out of the City’s title and into productive use by other parties. ALTERNATIVES Do not authorize the sale. The City will continue to collect rent and operate the building. FINANCIAL IMPACTS Positive cash flow to the City for other projects. CONFORMITY TO CITY POLICY Conforms to City Policy RECOMMENDATION Staff recommends that Council authorize the City Manager to enter into a contract to sell the Bank One building as discussed above. EMERGENCY/NON EMERGENCY The Purchaser would like to start renovations as quickly as reasonable. I request that this be enacted as a second reading Emergency to keep the process moving. |
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acclaro
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Let's RETHINK this issue shall we? I am not a CPA, I just play one occasionally on tv.
FACTS Monthly positive cash-flow after expenses (quaisi EBITDA)- 2370/ mo./ 28,440/ annualized Receipt of additional cash > 65,000 the offer on table, deal. No expected loss for city within 3-6 months. THEN WHY? Is this an emergency, and closing needed to be done by May 31, 2014? Does Robinette's group deviate from usage goals? Arts, et al? No. Diversification of the investment portfolio. Why? How is the entity established a month ago financially stronger than any that have not placed bids? No. Is the valuation at least 100,000 too low with positive cash flow over years? Probably. MEMO TO COUNCIL Pull back, open up bids 30-45 days, accept highest offer. With this sense of urgency by Mr. Adkins.....how soon is the city selling Hook Field- June 01? No, there is no urgency to divest. |
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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Well, that is certainly a joke!!! To accept a single unsolicited bid, especially when other potential bidders have been told that the property is "NOT FOR SALE" definitely does NOT "conform to City Policy"!!! City Policy is to advertise for sealed bids on City property valued at over $5,000!!! In fact, this is a violation of the Ohio Revised Code (ORC 721.03) which requires advertising for sealed bids!!! How can Adkins, an attorney, state that this "conforms to City Policy" and recommend this sale when it violates state law??? How can the City Law Director Sit idly by and let City Council vote on this, violating state law??? How can the attorneys, and others claiming to be educated in the law, on City Council stand for allowing city staff to let this get this far without calling for the disciplining of the responsible staff members???
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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over the hill
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 19 2012 Location: middletown Status: Offline Points: 952 |
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If this is enacted then it is pretty clear that procedtures should be considered to have council investigated or removed, at least the immediate removal of our city manager and community development director and an investigation of our law director for again ignoring city ordances and state law.
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acclaro
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How?
By violating what you have described, and 4.1 of the Code of Professional Conduct. Why? Supposition. A parting gift for those leaving the city position(s) soon? Share the wealth? Faulty calculator? Missing eye glasses and couldn't read ORC and ordinances? Desiring to adhere to citizens wishes to get out of real estate business, no more Donald Trump role playing? Fixed Annuity? Legacy? "You owe me one." "He will be my best man at the wedding"? For the people. |
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Doug Adkins
could easily be disbarred for his lie RULE 4.1: TRUTHFULNESS IN STATEMENTS TO
OTHERS In the
course of representing a client a lawyer shall not knowingly
do either of the following: (a) make a false statement of
material fact or law to a third person; (b)
fail to disclose a material fact when disclosure is necessary to avoid
assisting an illegal or fraudulent act by a client. Comment Misrepresentation [1] A
lawyer is required to be truthful when dealing with others on a client’s
behalf. A
misrepresentation can occur if the lawyer incorporates or affirms a statement
of another person that the lawyer knows is false. Misrepresentations can also
occur by partially true but misleading statements or omissions that are the
equivalent of affirmative false statements. For dishonest conduct that does not
amount to a false statement or for misrepresentations by a lawyer other than in
the course of representing a client, see Rule 8.4. Statements
of Fact [2] This
rule refers to statements of fact. Whether a particular statement should be
regarded as one of fact can depend on the circumstances. Under generally
accepted conventions in negotiation, certain types of statements ordinarily are
not taken as statements of material fact. Estimates of price or value placed on the subject of a transaction and a party’s intentions as to an acceptable settlement of a claim are ordinarily in this category, and so is the existence of an undisclosed principal except where nondisclosure of the principal would constitute fraud. Lawyers
should be mindful of their obligations under applicable law to avoid criminal
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over the hill
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 19 2012 Location: middletown Status: Offline Points: 952 |
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Well hasn't Dougie broken rule: 4.1 on several occasions. I don't think he can help himself he does it so much it's like breathing it just comes naturally.
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Vivian Moon
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Purchase Price: The City paid $275,000
for the the Bank One building.
The City received $202,000 from Higher Education Partners for the purchase of Cinergy. The
sale of Bank One more than recoups taxpayer money used to fund the initial purchase of all
of these buildings. OOOPS…Once again City Hall has forgotten what really happened
with this deal of desperation. City Hall also gave Cincy State the Senior
Citizen Building that was valued at $350,000 with the hope of a smaller
Culinary School here in Middltown. Then later City Hall gave Cincy State the
First National Bank Building. What was the value of this building? Original Purchase Price
by City: $275,000 for all buildings Less Cinergy purchase by
HEP: -$202,000 Deficit: ($ 73,000) Purchase price to City
for Bank One: $ 135,000 SUBJECT 1 Net to City from all
purchase/sale transactions: $+62,000 |
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acclaro
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Speaking of HEP, how are they taking the reduction in the student forecast to be less than 3,000 5 years out, when they needed 5000 for break-even? State augmenting their loss.
Bid high and often tomorrow; CET; Middletown. |
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Vivian Moon
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Speaking of HEP, how are they taking the reduction in the
student forecast to be less than 3,000 5 years out, when they needed 5000 for
break-even? State augmenting their loss? |
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acclaro
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There is no pity....nor respect, to those who refuse to step in the ring or have others fight their battles for them. As Teddie Roosevelt said-
'It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.' Toast prevails. |
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Vivian Moon
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OATH OF OFFICE Maybe those at City Hall should read their Oath Of Office
again before they vote for the sale of the Bank One Building as Emergency
Legislation at the next council meeting. |
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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Bearing in mind that the City of Middletown is projecting deficit spending as far as can be seen into the future, and we are constantly being told that no money is available for anything--not even police or fire personnel--let alone road paving or the like, how can council pass this without asking where the money is coming from to meet the City's obligations under this deal??? Included in this deal: How can this council approve deals like this and never ask where the money is coming from??? (I suppose that this money will be found "tucked away in one of our other funds"!!!)
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Vivian Moon
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Mike
I believe these items would be paid for from the Downtown Fund or the Community Redevelopment Fund. What is City Hall going to do in June when all the HUD money is transferred to Warren and Butler counties? Yep that deficit is going to get even greater. |
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VietVet
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Well, it would seem that some folks were "caught with their pants down" on this deal.
Bank building deal pulled from council’s agenda MIDDLETOWN — A proposed sale of the former Bank One building was pulled from the agenda just hours before it was to be considered by Middletown City Council. “This action in no way is a reflection on the creative proposal we received from Chris Walden and his associates,” said City Manager Judy Gilleland in a email to the Journal-News late Tuesday afternoon. “In fact, staff and City Council was excited to work with Chris on this project because of his world-class artistic talent and his vision of an art gallery and event center for the building.” OR, MAYBE THEY RECONSIDERED WALDEN'S ABILITY TO PAY AND MAINTAIN THE STRUCTURE AFTER PURCHASE PERHAPS? HEY JUDITH, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE AFFORDABILTY ASPECT OF THIS DEAL BEFORE WE GO OFF ON A TANGENT AND TELL US HOW WONDERFUL THIS GUY IS WITH HIS "ARTISTIC TALENTS" AND "VISION OF AN ART GALLERY" CRAP. THAT'S IMMATERIAL RIGHT NOW AND NOTHING BUT SURFACE FLUFF. The legislation to approve the sale of the downtown building was on tonight’s council agenda before it was pulled from consideration. “The rebirth of downtown Middletown has created a demand for space and we have received a few inquiries about the building in the last several weeks,” Gilleland said. “As such, we have decided that it is appropriate to gauge the public interest in the building. THE "REBIRTH" HAS "CREATED A DEMAND FOR SPACE?" IF THAT IS SO, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN ALL THE EMPTY STOREFRONTS DOWNTOWN? I DON'T SEE ANY "EXPLOSION OF GROWTH" DOWN THERE......THAT IS, GROWTH THAT HASN'T BEEN FORCE FED BY YOUR LITTLE GROUP HEADED BY THE MOORMAN'S. AND SOME OF THE GROWTH CAN BE GAUGED AS SOMEWHAT SUCCESSFUL BY THE STORIES OF OPENING AND CLOSING ON A FREQUENT BASIS WITH A NAME CHANGE THROWN IN AT TIMES. YOUR LITTLE COLLEGE DOWN THERE HASN'T MADE THE IMPACT THAT YOU CLAIMED IT WOULD. ENROLLMENT NUMBERS ARE HARDLY EYE-OPENING. FOOT TRAFFIC IS ALMOST NON-EXISTENT. WHAT'S ALL THE EXCITEMENT ABOUT JUDITH? Gilleland also said city staff would be meeting in the near future to discuss the next step, which will likely include a request for proposal. She anticipates the process to be accomplished in the short term. HOW ABOUT A MEETING IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO DISCUSS FOLLOWING THE BIDDING PROCESS AND THE LAWS OF THE CITY AS TO ENFORCING THE RULES? GOOD START, RIGHT? In an email sent by investor Mike Robinette to Mayor Lawrence Mulligan, Robinette asked that tonight’s discussion and vote on the city-owned Bank One building be tabled. Robinette, Middletown’s former economic development director, is part of an investment group, Geo CRE, which already owns the Goetz Tower and the Rose Furniture building in the downtown. At the last council meeting, members were told Toast of the Town Events, LLC, offered $135,000 for the Bank One building at 2 S. Main St., and artist and owner Chris Walden planned to convert the building into an art gallery and event center. Doug Adkins, director of community revitalization, told council Toast of the Town Events’ offer was unsolicited and that it made “good sense” because it generated revenue, fit the downtown business plan and got the city out of the landlord business. WHY WASN'T COUNCIL TOLD THERE WERE OTHER BIDS, HIGHER THAN WALDENS? WHY DIDN'T DOUGGIE DISCUSS THE ENTIRE SCENARIO WITH COUNCIL? DID HE MENTION ROBINETTE'S BID? Robinette has said that he was interested in buying the building, but was told by city officials that it wasn’t for sale, since it was being leased to Miami University Middletown. But when Robinette learned that Toast of the Town Events had made an offer, he made two offers: one for $185,000, and a second for $202,500, or $67,500 more than the offer the city is considering. Robinette wrote that the city should conduct a competitive process for the sale of this property. He said the Bank One property is significantly more valuable than the negotiated price of $135,000. “We believe it is important that the city thoroughly evaluate all offers for the purchase of this property, considering their track record of success and ability to successfully complete and sustain the project,” he wrote. The building is valued at $137,980, according to the Butler County Auditor’s Office. In an email response to Robinette, Mulligan said council was interested in a selling the properties to “a broad, diverse group of investors and owners that can help move these properties forward.” SO, WHEN THE SMOKE CLEARED FROM MULLIGAN'S BULLCRAP, WALDEN WAS THE ONLY ONE OFFERED A CHANCE TO BUY? ROBINETTE'S GROUP WAS INCAPABLE OF "MOVING THE PROPERTIES FORWARD" ACCORDING TO MULLIGAN? Mulligan said there are examples where single ownership and control works well, but in the city’s case, he believed “diversification is better.” The city paid $275,000 in December 2010 to the Perry Thatcher estate for several downtown properties: CG&E Building, First National building, Masonic Temple and the Bank One building, Adkins said. He said the city received $202,000 from Higher Education Partners for the purchase of the former CG&E Building that is being used by Cincinnati State Middletown. If the Bank One building is sold, the city would make $62,000 off its investment. City Council has donated the First National building to Cincinnati State Middletown and the Masonic Temple building to the Art Central Foundation BOTTOM LINE: BEFORE THIS MADE THE PAPER, MULLIGAN, GILLELAND AND THE OTHER LITTLE CREW MEMBERS WANTED TO SELL IT CHEAP TO WALDEN, WHO WILL MAINTAIN IT AS AN ARTZY PLACE MATCHING THEIR THEME FOR THEIR LITTLE DOWNTOWN DREAM. WITH ROBINETTE, THERE IS NO GUARANTEE IT WILL BE AN ARTZY PLACE. THEY CAN CONTROL WALDEN'S PLANS AFTER THE SALE AND ASSURE IT COINCIDES WITH THEIR LITTLE WORLD. INCREDIBLY EGOTISTICAL AND SELF IMPORTANT PEOPLE RUNNING THIS CITY. PUBLIC HANGINGS ARE IN ORDER. WE DON'T NEED ARROGANT TYPES OF PERSONALITIES RUNNING THIS CITY. |
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I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.
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swohio75
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I believe the staff report answers this question: In preparation for this, the City engaged Hardlines Design to complete a registration form to place the Manchester Hotel on the National Register of Historic Places. This was completed in time for the March 31 deadline. The city obtained a Pipeline grant from the Ohio Preservation Office to help fund the application work. Hardlines also submitted a Preliminary Questionnaire to the Ohio Historic Preservation office for the Sonshine building, which is the first step to submitting for nomination to the register. |
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spiderjohn
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What is historic about the Sonshine building?
Or the Rose building? Or the Masonic building? |
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acclaro
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Historic Significance? Sarah Palin slept here.
Others? None. Firewall. Stretch for all to meet NHR criteria. Eyes off econ development, while building firewall. Hello....anyone up making coffee? |
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Mike_Presta
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Meanwhile, back at the ranch:
That kangaroo court known as the Middletown Historic Commission is hassling the owners of the former Knights of Columbus building on First Avenue, trying to force them to spend a fortune to "restore" their property. (You can read about this in the workbook for last night's council meeting.) Yet neither the Historic Commission nor any of the other historic buffs in town seem a bit concerned about the truly historic building right next door and the Board of Education's plan to demolish it. Does anyone else see the hypocrisy here???
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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acclaro
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Yes. But....what can we expect. Its Middletown, where lies are truth, and old is new.
And....paying off the BMW, and replacing it with the paid off mortgage is not the new status symbol. |
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over the hill
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It seems funny they can hassle them to get moving on the restoration of that building but what has been done to the Rose furniture building. The damage to that building has impacted the useablity of the building next to it. Might want to call your attorney?
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swohio75
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This is a bit of a distortion Mike. The owners constructed a recent addition WITHOUT zoning or building permits. It has nothing to do with "restoring" their property but the appropriateness of the addition and use of materials of the addition. Here's the information taken from the minutes for folks to here to make their own judgement about what's occurring. URBAN CORE DISTRICT BUILDING ADDITION 1402 FIRST AVE Ms. Romero introduced the case. Mr. Kohler explained that this building is at the corner of First Avenue and Curtis Street, being used as a social club. It was formerly a Knights of Columbus meeting hall, originally built as a single family residence. There is a large auditorium addition on the rear. The current owner has constructed a room addition on the east side of the building with no zoning or building permits or approval from this Commission. A key issue is that they have used vinyl siding as a primary exterior building material. Vinyl siding is allowed in this district but not as a primary material. The auditorium addition was resided some years ago in vinyl siding so there is a substantial amount of vinyl on the building. The owner has not yet provided stamped drawings by a registered architect or engineer as required by the City’s Chief Building Official because this is a commercial building. The initial examination of the building addition indicates that it may not meet commercial standards. The question is whether this group can approve the vinyl material, windows, and design. We now have only photographs that do not show much because the building is behind a privacy fence. There is a sliding glass door on the east side and a window on the north side. Ms. Romero suggested tabling this case until there is more information on materials, design, specifications. Mr. Kohler would like feedback from this group. Ms. Romero said the addition looks like a trailer parked up against the building, it is not in keeping with the style or quality of the building at all. Mr. Kohler wants to be able to relay to the owner the kinds of expectations this group has before he hires an architect. Ms. Romero would like to see a design more in keeping with the building than the addition as built. The first addition, the auditorium, is not up to current district standards either. But it is not visible from the front. Mr. Sauer wondered whether the auditorium addition was originally concrete block. Nobody else recalls what the original material was. Ms. Romero asked whether Mr. Kohler had enough information from this group to take to the owner. Mr. Kohler replied affirmatively. He would mention that the design and the material need to be more sympathetic with the original building, the window and door styles also more in keeping with the original building, the heights of the door and window need to be the same or at least related. Mr. Kohler felt that he needed to get some specific comments from this group to take to the owner before he goes to the expense of hiring an architect. Ms. Romero asked for a motion to table this case. Mr. Sauer made that motion. R. Taylor seconded the motion. The motion passed unanimously by roll call. |
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swohio75
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I believe they are trying to use the fact that the Sonshine building was one of the first Ford dealers in Ohio as one of the qualifiers, but if you ask me as a stand-alone building, the argument is weak. I could see it being included as part of district, but I'm having a hard time seeing it listed as a stand-alone--which is the route they are taking. Both Rose and Masonic are conforming structures in a larger historic district. The age of the structures, their architectural styles and the historical significance of the entire district (in terms of it's place in the community) lend to argument of the listing. Manchester, as a stand alone qualifies based on: * Age of structure * Historical significance of the structure in terms of the place it served in the history of Middletown PLUS who's stayed and/spoken there (not just Sarah Palin) * Architect of the building (Frank Packard) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Packard |
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