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randy
MUSA Official Joined: Jan 13 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 1586 |
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Posted: Dec 15 2009 at 12:41pm |
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Taken from Middletown City Counicl agenda
View the the complete agenda Middletown City Council Agenda For Tuesday December 15, 2009
Ordinance No. O2009-102, an ordinance authorizing a contract with Statewide Lincoln Ford Mercury, Inc. for the purchase of eight police cruisers and declaring an emergency.
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LMAO
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 28 2009 Location: Middletucky Status: Offline Points: 468 |
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How come the emergency this time? Someone steal all the cruiser's?
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Hermes
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: May 19 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 1637 |
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Didn't they just buy some cars back in the summer ?
Everything Landen does is an EMERGENCY !!
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No more democrats no more republicans,vote Constitution Party !!
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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How many bids does the city get for large purchases such as this? I would imagine that most household budgets require three or more quotes on big ticket items before a decision to purchase is made. Why do they need the full size cruisers? Some towns have gotten smart and gone to smaller, more fuel efficient cars for their police force. Why isn't Middletown thinking along these lines if we are so strapped for cash in this town? We just went through this "cruiser purchase" topic not long ago. Good point Hermes on the "emergency" comment. Who determines whether a council topic is an emergency or not? Is it Gilleland's people who bring iot to council declaring an emergency? And how/why did it get to the "emergency" point in it's first introduction to council?
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Hermes
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: May 19 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 1637 |
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Knowing these members Vet they probably bought all SUV's. And I agree,did they get bid's on this or what ?
And where did the money come from ? I thought the city was broke and in the red ?
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No more democrats no more republicans,vote Constitution Party !!
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taxed2death
MUSA Immigrant Joined: Oct 26 2009 Location: middletown Status: Offline Points: 34 |
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Vet I think they stick with the big cars for saftey and durability/longevity of use. Some of the smaller cars wouldn't hold up to the use these cruisers are put through. Just my opinion or thought as to why. |
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I hope it gets better soon!
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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There is always money "tucked away in some of our other funds" when we really need it. Didn't the City Manager just find some again during the 11/17 meeting???
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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rngrmed
MUSA Citizen Joined: May 06 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 309 |
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When I was in the military if we didn't use our entire budget we would scramble at the end of the year to purchase more items or risked our budget being reduced the next fiscal year.
My guess is the police department didn't use their entire budget or there was money left in the general fund. Probably an emergency vote so the large purchase could be added to this year's budget and then council could say how much was needed in 2009.
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VietVet
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There is a certain lack of logic, especially from a cash strapped city (so they say), to tell a city department that they need to spend all their money or risk losing more money in next year's budget. They should be commended for not spending the original amount, not penalized. I understand the concept of "spend it or lose it" as I have worked for employers who have similar policies for departments to adher to, but it is a rather assinine policy. Just transfer the unused monies to another department that had a justification for more expenditures and retain the same amount for each department for the next year. It's all funny money anyway, moved around within the company.
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rngrmed
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I agree VietVet...seems like departments should turn in expected budgets (realistic) with a goal to operate within those means. I understand unexpected expenses happen just as in any household. Which would be the reason to have a savings and not punish a department for coming in under budget.
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Hermes
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: May 19 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 1637 |
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Yeah that money will get spent then next year there will be a levy on the ballot for emergency services.
It's all a political scam regardless of how you look at it, the rules are written by con-artist...aka lawyers...aka politicians.
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No more democrats no more republicans,vote Constitution Party !!
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Murdock
MUSA Resident Joined: Mar 24 2008 Location: Middletown, OH Status: Offline Points: 71 |
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There was no money tucked away in the budget that bought these cruisers....they were depreciated as required by policy and replaced as they always are. The police department budget reflects this in a line-item. They are purchased off the State of Ohio's approved bid list for this kind of purchase.
Hope this helps the ignorant!!
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Hermes
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Murdock - I resemble that remark !!
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Murdock
MUSA Resident Joined: Mar 24 2008 Location: Middletown, OH Status: Offline Points: 71 |
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Hermes.......I think we ALL resemble that remark at times!?!?!?
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spiderjohn
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wow murdock---ignorant is such a harsh divisive term, though you were inclusive.
Still--when coupled with vultures and liars, it doesn't help to close the communication and information gap between the citizens and our Council/Admin.
Watch for an interesting editorial on this subject in 2morrow's MJ.
So--we can hope that our new Council makeup will do just that.
I expect them to do so--why wouldn't they?
Funny--we are smart for putting them there, but not smart enough to understand or appreciate their actions.
names names names--sticks and stones-----the pot and the kettle
payback comes in May!
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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Ms. Murdock: Please excuse me. I didn’t realize that you had problems reading. I’ll try to take the time and trouble to be perfectly clear this time so that perhaps even you can understand. First, I’ll re-quote my original post, but in a LARGER font. Please do not consider this to be “shouting”. I do this only in case the problem is with your eyesight. I know that I find the default font on this forum to be a bit small, but I am old. I seldom consider that some other readers may be even older than I. A good hint might be to keep your browser set to 125% as I do. (If you don’t know how to do this, please ask. I would be happy to provide instructions at no fee.)
Okay, I hope that you can now make out my post, so let’s turn our attention to the first sentence. (That would be the words in the RED font!!!) If you read those words carefully, you will find that NOWHERE were the terms: “cruiser”, “police”, “budget”, “line-item”, “bid list” or “purchase” used. That is because this simple statement was not specific to any of those items. I was merely making a GENERAL statement about our city’s apparent attitude toward fiscal policy. More specifically, I was trying to give a GENERAL, POSSIBLE answer to a question posed by Mr. Hermes. Here is his post:
And where did the money come from ? I thought the city was broke and in the red ? Okay…let’s recap: The two sentences in GREEN are the questions from Hermes. The one sentence in RED is my GENERAL answer to the questions in GREEN. Now for the part of my response that was in BLUE! The single sentence in BLUE was just a bit of reinforcement (that means “back-up” or “support”) for the GENERALITY that I stated (the part in RED) in my answer. Here is some additional reinforcement: After the “public safety payroll tax increase” failed (I believe in November of 2007), and the Fire Department had only been funded “quarter-by-quarter” (council was counting on the tax increase being passed), the City needed About $350,000 by the following April 1st or the Fire department would be force to close at least one more station. All of a sudden, at the last minute, Mr. Lyons “found” the money needed “tucked away in one of our other funds!” Now those were HIS words, NOT mine!!!
So, let’s fast forward to the November 17, 2009, city council meeting. The amount, once again, was about $350,000. (Now I’m sure that $350K is not a great deal to you, but it is to most of us, and 350K here in this fund…350K there in that fund…and before you know it, you’re talking some real money!!! The situation at that council meeting was that there was an opportunity for a sweet deal…just too good to be true…at the airport, BUT (there’s always a “but” isn’t there?) council had to act quickly. They had to decide right away, or else they will need an “Emergency Ordinance“ and you know how much they hate those!!! Here are some ACTUAL QUOTES from that meeting--THEIR WORDS, not mine-- and PLEASE do not take my word for it. Go to BlipTV.com, watch and listen to the meeting (I hope that you are not hard of hearing along with your other infirmities) and verify for yourself that these quotes are transcribed exactly!!! You can also see and hear them in their exact context.
Judy Gilleland (JG): “We have some other funds available that we can borrow from”; Dave Schiavone: “…some internal money might be available” Anita Scott-Jones (ASJ): “…the public is hearing: we are going to borrow money and there are several accounts…” JG: “…It could be borrowing from an internal fund.” “But again, we have funds that have balances, obviously, it could be borrowing from an internal fund.” ASJ: “Those funds are for a specific use. Somebody might ask: ‘Why are we having budget issues?’ That‘s what I‘m trying to get at, for the public‘s sake.” At least ASJ sounded like she was trying to look out for the people, but she never did get a straight answer!!! And to top things off, later in that very same meeting, they passed the 2010 Budget Resolution, but not until after a whole lot of hand-wringing about what bad shape we were in and how the fire department needs more money, and maybe they should fund them incompletely and solve the problem during the first quarter of 2010. (Sounds familiar, doesn’t it?) In conclusion (which means we are nearing the end), if you remain confused, please tell me, and I will try again to explain, but using a larger font and smaller words (but no colors). PS: I hope that this helps!!! |
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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