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    Posted: Jul 21 2013 at 3:43pm
Posted: 1:00 p.m. Sunday, July 21, 2013

City awaits response from Section 8 review

By Michael D. Pitman

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MIDDLETOWN —

Now that the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development has conducted its on-site Civil Rights Compliance review of the city’s Section 8 program, the only thing the city can do is wait.

Investigators with HUD came to the city Tuesday to review the Middletown Public Housing Agency’s Housing Choice Voucher Program, commonly referred to as Section 8. They finished the on-site investigation Thursday.

HUD officials are not commenting on the review.

“We are in the middle of a review of compliance with a civil rights law. We are not at liberty to discuss our investigation, the subjects or the timing,” said HUD spokeswoman Shantae Goodloe.

City officials said HUD has not disclosed any type of timetable for a response.

The review is on the heels of the MPHA board, which consists of the seven-member City Council, deciding to reduce its Section 8 voucher allocation by 1,008 over the next four to five years. The city’s justification is the city can only support 654 Section 8 vouchers within the public housing agency’s program.

The plan approved by way of a 6-1 vote by MPHA indicates that the 1,662 vouchers represents 49.8 percent of all subsidized housing in the city, and 14.3 percent of all available housing. The reduction in Section 8 vouchers would reduce all subsidized housing in the city to 10 percent of all available housing.

According to its May 31 letter to the city, Carolyn Murphy, HUD’s Columbus Fair Housing Center director, told the city the review will cover the administration of the Section 8 program and consists of reviewing documents and conducting interviews.

The review will be carried out in two phases, Murphy wrote: an on-site review, which has been conducted, and an in-house review of data pertaining to the program. The on-site review consisted of interviews of MPHA staff, city officials, and local advocacy groups, as well as collecting, analyzing and verifying data and documents.

The city had prepared 1,000 pages worth of documents. HUD requested a lengthy list of data, information and materials, which was due by June 27.


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The Middletown Journal is committed to reporting the news that affects your community. The debate between the city’s efforts to reduce Section 8 vouchers and the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development will have an impact on the ultimate outcome, and you will hear about this outcome first with The Middletown Journal.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pacman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jul 21 2013 at 5:58pm
We are now in "wait 'n see" mode and hoping for the best!!
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Wonder if this will have any impact..

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/08/09/hud-proposes-plan-to-racially-economically-integrate-neighborhoods
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote over the hill Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Aug 11 2013 at 12:59pm
ktf1179: That was sickening.That is criminal damaging. He can get them removed from the program as they should be.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Historic House Guy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Aug 11 2013 at 4:27pm
So loosing these vouchers; what are they trying to achieve? I guess I don't get it.
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By reducing the number of Section 8 Vouchers, Middletown hopes to  reduces the type of population that typically increases crime, and strain our cities services. And overall drives down our cities property values. The only reason the city of Middleotwn agreed to Section 8 in the first place was for federal $$$ for their pet projects, and now they are leaning the consequences of their decision.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote acclaro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Aug 12 2013 at 9:33am
What's wrong with this city?

More time, effort, and money has been expended driving out Section 8, than bringing in, new businesses and residents.

Doug Adkins salary is paid for by fed money, while he is reducing vouchers and inviting lawsuits into Middletown. The old adage, careful, not to bite the hand that feeds you----seems rather prophetic?

When AK Steel and the union were going through their union negotiations and strike, the city would not get involved, made no effort to take a position one way or another, which is understandable. But, for the past years, they are socially re-engineering every aspect of city living, from Section 8 vouchers, buying property, bailing Thatcher estate out of debt, passing buildings to friends and colleagues, throwing money at MMF, with no accountability nor objectives defined.

They have spent $500,000 keeping grass low around the fairway at Weatherwax while keeping it high, on the streets on every corner of the city streets.

Red is green, white is black, and up is down....in the rudderless city called Middletown.

BTW HHG----you never want to bu property in downtown, you want them to give it to you via a lease, as they pay no taxes. Let them make you a deal where you lease property from them for $1 annually. Heck, you might be able to get office space up with the MCSD board and administrators, use their closets to store your floor wood stripper(s) and such.         
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Acclaro,
 
Back in 2008 a few months after the arrival of J. Gilleland, she became fixated with using as many Federal dollars as possible to undertake a massive property demolition program in older neighborhoods.  To do this, housing rehabilitation efforts were minimalized; they did have some cosmetic efforts though.  Next, there's the NSP fiasco where millions were squandered outside of Ward 2 and part of Ward 1 where they were most needed.  Most recently, Federal dollars craftily shifted around to enable the demolition of 350 properties.  This further reduced funding allocated to the city to address increasing needs in the Wards named above.
 
Not much is known about efforts of a couple of city employees working out of the basement of city hall to attack CONSOC who then administered the S8 program.  They constantly bit the ankles of J. Gilleland with the hopes of getting rid of them.  In fact, one of these employees, someone very, very much in the know now, was directed by his supervisor to stop concerning himself with S8 issues and CONSOC.  Note:  there's a lot more to this that may be revealed later.
 
Acclaro, so much staff time and administrative money has been spent on S8 matters.  The other consideration is the disgusting waste of Federal dollars and failed efforts to stem the tide of deterioration and disinvestment in older neighborhoods.
 
You're correct once again in pointing out the array of missed opportunities in furthering economic development and badly needed quality job growth.  Thanks to Judy, Doug, City Council, etc., Middletown has lost five years of possibilities for a better community in favor of downtown, property demolition, Section 8, etc.  A sad story.
 
Thanks to people like Vivian Moon, you, etc., there may be hope for better times in the future.  Keep up the good work.
 
 
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The reason JUDY was brought here was to get rid of SEC 8. So she came in loaded for bear. The problem was she did not do her homework first. She knew nothing about Sec 8 or how it worked, so she started something she had no idea how to win.So she "winged" it while bragging how she was going to get rid of it. Well, you know the rest of the story.She's being REAL quiet right now because her name is at the head of the list " Executive Director Of Middletown Public Housing". How's that working for you?
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I hope that they give them to Butler County. If that happens Mr.A will loose one of his checks he doesn't deserve.
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I had reason to be at the courthouse in Hamilton earlier today, and I overheard two guys talking about Middletown City officials.  (I don't know who the two guys were, but they had cheap suits and beady eyes, so I guess they were lawyers. Wink)
 
One told the other that Landen and the other high muckety-mucks from Middletown City Hall were planning on hiding behind the fifth amendment when called to testify before HUD.
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Hmmmm Hmmmm This is getting REAL INTERESTING!!!
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There is a housing meeting Thursday at 4:30 at the city building may be we all should show up to see what they have to say about the current situation.
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Hmmm....I thought the MPHA meeting wasn't until next Tuesday just before the council meeting.
Surly those at City Hall aren't trying to hide something from us.
Is HUD still in town?
Will this meeting be live on TV Middletown?
Does the Middletown Journal know about this meeting?


 
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There will a meeting at the city building in the chamber I think. It's at 4:30 today. They will probably take it to executive session so no one knows what's said. Does Sunshine laws cover that? Just wondering.
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The MPHA did have a public meeting today at City Hall in room 2-C at 4:30 p.m.
Roll call was taken and then they went into Executive Session.
The attorney that City Hall hired to represent them in the HUD case was also present.

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Hmmm...did City Hall forget to notify the public about this public meeting?

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Judy and Dougie have always been staunch supporters of their own "unique brand" of community participation??  WackoWacko  How pathetic and certainly not what the mainstream of our country is about.  So sad that the MJ is also complicit in filtering and sanitizing the so-called news that's in their little paper.
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Originally posted by Vivian Moon Vivian Moon wrote:

The MPHA did have a public meeting today at City Hall in room 2-C at 4:30 p.m.
Roll call was taken and then they went into Executive Session.
The attorney that City Hall hired to represent them in the HUD case was also present.

Did the attorney have a cheap suit and beady eyes???  Maybe he was there to teach them the proper way to plead the fifth??? LOL LOL LOL
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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From MJ:
City meets in executive session about potential litigation
By Michael D. Pitman

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MIDDLETOWN —

After an abundance of correspondence from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, the city’s public housing agency held an unscheduled closed-door meeting Thursday afternoon.

It wasn’t unexpected HUD would shine a spotlight on the city following its October 2012-approved plan to reduce the number of Housing Choice Vouchers, also known as Section 8, by 1,008 over a five-year period. And despite subsequent letters from HUD asking the city to reconsider, the city is staying the course — a course of action many on council said they believe is right.

“I am concerned about the many hoops HUD is making us jump through,” said Vice Mayor Dan Picard. “I’m not surprised by the requests of the other programs that we have. We’re rattling their cage and they’re rattling back.”

Councilwoman Ann Mort said she also isn’t surprised by HUD’s responses and chalked it up as “part of the way we work through all of this.”

The process, Mort said, is moving slowly, but “it’s like everything in government that grinds slowly, and that’s one of the things we have to wade through.”

MPHA, which consists of all seven members of city council, called for the executive session meeting on the second floor of the Middletown City Building. The purpose of the meeting was for “disputes involving the public body that are the subject of pending or imminent court action,” according to the only notice of the meeting, which was published among the legal ads in Wednesday’s Middletown Journal.

No discussion happened before or after the close-door session, and no decisions were made, according to City Manager Judy Gilleland.

Picard, who said he couldn’t talk about Thursday’s discussion, said he “fully expects” that wasn’t the last executive session on the topic since it is an ongoing issue.

In July, the city underwent a three-day Civil Rights Compliance review of its Section 8 program, and a second three-day review occurred earlier this week. Since it’s an ongoing review, HUD officials aren’t commenting.

Councilwoman Anita Scott Jones was brief in her comments, saying, “I believe that where we are is where we need to be, and that’s all I can say right now.” Councilman Joe Mulligan was also hesitant to talk too much Friday, just a day after the executive session meeting.

“I think that staff is working through answering HUD’s concerns,” he said. “The report that Doug Adkins and his team put together (and presented in October), that really was a comprehensive analysis of what direction the city should go in terms of the number of vouchers.”

Mayor Larry Mulligan and Councilman Josh Laubach declined to comment about the meeting, or the scrutiny HUD has been placing on the city.

Councilman A.J. Smith, who couldn’t attend the 4:30 p.m. meeting due to a work conflict, said his concern is with “the actions of the city of Middletown.”

“It’s been well documented and well stated my position on the direction the city of Middletown is interested in taking,” he said. “I believe HUD is doing the right thing, and I think they need to continue and monitor what’s going on. It’s quality control.”

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Obama and his minions at HUD are getting ready make examples of these fools and they don't even realize it LOL 
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From MJ:
City meets in executive session about potential litigation
By Michael D. Pitman

Staff Writer

MIDDLETOWN —

After an abundance of correspondence from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, the city’s public housing agency held an unscheduled closed-door meeting Thursday afternoon.

It wasn’t unexpected HUD would shine a spotlight on the city following its October 2012-approved plan to reduce the number of Housing Choice Vouchers, also known as Section 8, by 1,008 over a five-year period. And despite subsequent letters from HUD asking the city to reconsider, the city is staying the course — a course of action many on council said they believe is right.

“I am concerned about the many hoops HUD is making us jump through,” said Vice Mayor Dan Picard. “I’m not surprised by the requests of the other programs that we have. We’re rattling their cage and they’re rattling back.”

Councilwoman Ann Mort said she also isn’t surprised by HUD’s responses and chalked it up as “part of the way we work through all of this.”

The process, Mort said, is moving slowly, but “it’s like everything in government that grinds slowly, and that’s one of the things we have to wade through.”

MPHA, which consists of all seven members of city council, called for the executive session meeting on the second floor of the Middletown City Building. The purpose of the meeting was for “disputes involving the public body that are the subject of pending or imminent court action,” according to the only notice of the meeting, which was published among the legal ads in Wednesday’s Middletown Journal.

No discussion happened before or after the close-door session, and no decisions were made, according to City Manager Judy Gilleland.

Picard, who said he couldn’t talk about Thursday’s discussion, said he “fully expects” that wasn’t the last executive session on the topic since it is an ongoing issue.

In July, the city underwent a three-day Civil Rights Compliance review of its Section 8 program, and a second three-day review occurred earlier this week. Since it’s an ongoing review, HUD officials aren’t commenting.

Councilwoman Anita Scott Jones was brief in her comments, saying, “I believe that where we are is where we need to be, and that’s all I can say right now.” Councilman Joe Mulligan was also hesitant to talk too much Friday, just a day after the executive session meeting.

“I think that staff is working through answering HUD’s concerns,” he said. “The report that Doug Adkins and his team put together (and presented in October), that really was a comprehensive analysis of what direction the city should go in terms of the number of vouchers.”

Mayor Larry Mulligan and Councilman Josh Laubach declined to comment about the meeting, or the scrutiny HUD has been placing on the city.

Councilman A.J. Smith, who couldn’t attend the 4:30 p.m. meeting due to a work conflict, said his concern is with “the actions of the city of Middletown.”

“It’s been well documented and well stated my position on the direction the city of Middletown is interested in taking,” he said. “I believe HUD is doing the right thing, and I think they need to continue and monitor what’s going on. It’s quality control.”

 
Any one else impressed that AJ actually has a job now ? LOLLOL
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Well, them fries aren't gonna cook themselves!!!
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LOLLOL
Originally posted by FmrMide81 FmrMide81 wrote:

Well, them fries aren't gonna cook themselves!!!
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