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Leo Gorcey
MUSA Immigrant Joined: Aug 07 2009 Status: Offline Points: 43 |
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Posted: Aug 10 2009 at 11:00am |
I am a registered Ward 3 voter and Mr. Laubach has my vote!
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John Beagle
MUSA Official Joined: Apr 23 2007 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 1855 |
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Why does Laubach have your vote?
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Hermes
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: May 19 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 1637 |
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He appears very impressive on his answers,I like that.
Why is it that everyone but the current administrators see that section 8 is out of hand ?
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No more democrats no more republicans,vote Constitution Party !!
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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Hold on a minute...... Mr.Laubaugh--if you favor the referendum to eliminate ward representation, why are you running for a ward Council seat? Isn't this playing both sides of the fence?
Why not wait to run at large in two years?
Have you been contacted by any of the main MMF characters, and who are your primary financial backers so far?
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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Registered voter Ward 3- I read Mr. Laubach's responses to the questions asked. I liked the answer on Section 8 of reducing the number to the correct level, accepting no more vouchers and realizing that Section 8 puts a strain on the city. I also liked his comments about using private money for the downtown area and his response to gaining revenue for the city. I respect his military service except for the Army Guard part, of course, and IF he maintains his comments/answers listed here, he will have provided a refreshing change from the Marconiman. I will support Mr. Laubach also ---UNTIL he changes- IF he changes his tune once in that Council seat. Then, I will vote to purge him like I want Marconi purged.
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Adjuster
Outsider Joined: Aug 11 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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I know Mr. Laubach and he will not be swayed by his position to fill his pockets. He could have lived any where but choose Middletown. We had enough of council memebers that get information before it is public to profit. Can you say Atrium?
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John Beagle
MUSA Official Joined: Apr 23 2007 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 1855 |
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Welcome Adjuster!
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Laubach
Outsider Joined: Aug 12 2009 Status: Offline Points: 6 |
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Hello spiderjohn. Im not sure I agree with your logic; if I am against then ward system then I shouldn't be involved in my city government? Yes, I am in favor of eliminating the ward system in Middletown. I believe it further divides us as a community. We are all Middletonians. When Im elected, I will be representing the people of Middletown not just the 3rd ward. We all face the same problems in terms of city government. Also, there is no guarantee that the ward system will be eliminated. With that said, the ward system is in place and I will seek to eliminate it.
Josh
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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Mr. Laubach- You favor the elimination of the ward system. If the ward system is eliminated, do you think that if all councilmembers are from one ward- say the 3rd, that they will make an attempt to service the other wards as well as someone who lives within that ward? This may be one area where we disagree. Furthermore, if you eliminate the ward system, you set the city up for the MMF powerplay of control of the candidates from one ward and strengthen their ability to oversee their agenda through their puppets on council. If we place people on council who will resist the MMF influence and they act on behalf of the people for a change, perhaps we'll reduce the impact this little group has on the "direction of ruination" of the city. Through council, we can also control an out of control city manager and her merry men. She needs to be directed by council as to what is best for this city. Her current agenda is polarizing and damaging to the city and her priorities are out of line. She needs to change. If not, she needs to leave- now.
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Leo Gorcey
MUSA Immigrant Joined: Aug 07 2009 Status: Offline Points: 43 |
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Mr. Laubach -
Please consider the comments of Viet Vet. They have considerable merit.
I am a registered Ward 3 voter and DO NOT favor the abolishment of the current system.
Nelson Self
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Laubach
Outsider Joined: Aug 12 2009 Status: Offline Points: 6 |
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Leo, Vietvet, I understand your points. I must admit you make some good arguments. From what I can see, the ward system is divisive and causes the city to be more divided than it already is. I am not advocating this change because of some hidden agenda; my thoughts and positions are my own. I am running for council because this is my home and I want to see our city achieve its potential. I will keep your comments in mind.
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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My logig is very simple, Mr.Laubaugh.
I don't find the ward system divisive at all, and would appreciate you listing meaningful examples of how it has meaningfully divided the community.
I see more division caused by the hard core group dedicated to eliminating ward representation so they can more easily manipulate/control winning 3 at-large seats from only one pool(instead of having to participate in 4 separate ward elections(some in which they have considerably less influence). Much more costly to compete in 6 separate elections(4 ward-1 at large-1 mayor) when you want the majority.
There are MANY qualified candidates in each ward, and the ward fields are equally competent when compared to the at-large fields.
Mr.Marconi voted to put the ward elimination issue on the ballot, so you offer no difference there. You could sit out the ward election to wait 2 years to run at-large. What do you offer different than Mr.Marconi? Why run now in a position you recommend to eliminate? Your local community service record is thin(Citizens' Advisory Board accomplishments brought forward by you or during your term?), yet you want to go straight to Council.
I like your economic thinking, however I wonder about your support/funding group(which will eventually be revealed). Looking forward to asking real ?s as the voting nears.
All the best your way.
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Laubach
Outsider Joined: Aug 12 2009 Status: Offline Points: 6 |
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Spiderjohn, you can go to my website and get in contact with me. I would be glad meet and talk with you.
Josh
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accuro
MUSA Resident Joined: May 31 2009 Status: Offline Points: 103 |
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Divisive? The most illogical argument I've heard. Should we eliminate Congress districts as they are divisive and have two Senate seats per state? If its divisive, perhaps we need to council and have the city leaders run and spend as they please (as they have done for decades). I'm more interested to know how a poly sci major gets a position associated with a health institution. I assume no biology majors know how to run such institutions. And, its divisive that we have the electorate college, as more states should decide an election than California, Florida, Pa., and Texas. Its divisive that we have Republicans, Democrats, and Independents. The state the ward system is divisive is the most fally flawed statement I've heard to date. Face it: its stack ranking council to make life easy for the city lders, who have a cakewalk anyway. Easier to manage 100 than 50,000, so puch those out of the ward that want to pool, that want crime stopped, and expect the skewed 3rd ward residents to take care of that? Give me a break, you mean a world "on the other side of the tracks." That's called segregation. I live in the 3rd Ward and can see through this trap.
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An ignorant person is one who doesn't know what you have just found out. - Will Rogers
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wasteful
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 27 2009 Status: Offline Points: 793 |
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You all whining about this doing away with the wards currently 4 of the 7 Council Persons live within walking distance of each other and I don't see where the second ward that everyone is worried about is suffering. We are about to spend close to $75-100 Million over the next 5 years in basically the second ward between Section 8 housing and funds provided by HUD. I don't see any other ward getting that kind of funding. Everyone hollering about the end of the world coming if we do away with the wards and make council cmaller sounds, a lot like chicken little and the sky is falling.
It is time for Middletowns brightest and best to be elected to Council and move us out of the Current mess that the current council and Admin continues to keep us mired in.
Mr. Laubach you have my vote and as for Spider you can't even vote for Mr. Laubach.
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wasteful
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 27 2009 Status: Offline Points: 793 |
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As a side note I wonder how Trenton, Oxford, Lebanon, Hamilton, Monroe, etc., operate as they all don't have the ward system. What makes Middletown So different that we need the ward system to do what is best for the city?
What Middletown sourly needs is the best people for the Job and to move the City forward not a City divided into 4 wards.
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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wasteful- and if we do away with the ward system, don't you think there is a chance that most/all winning candidates will come from the 1st or the 3rd Ward? And, if most do come from one ward, perhaps prone to ignore the rest of the city's areas? - OR - at the very least, they would not have the feeling of "ownership" for those areas outside their home port? Result: the folks in the 2nd and 4th Wards may end up feeling alienated and think they have no representation on Council, eliminating one very important funtional reason for Council's existence- service to ALL areas of the city. Furthermore, you know as well as I that the 1st and 3rd Wards are where the majority of the people who vote live and where some of the powerbrokers of the city reside. How convenient it would be that majority voter numbers, candidates and the "network" in place are in the same area to enable the MMF/powerbroker to control their puppets and continue their ruination of the city. With no wards, they'll be assured that they will maintain their dominance by keeping it "all in the family" and they would have no resistance at all from anywhere in the city. JMO
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accuro
MUSA Resident Joined: May 31 2009 Status: Offline Points: 103 |
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wasteful, thankfully I am convinced the vast majority of the citizens don
t share your opinion. What you neglect to sate and comprehend apparently is Middletown is a huge city in terms of physical miles. That's why it is so difficult to maintain, and the city has given up on it. It covers an area the size of Russia compared to Trenton or Monroe being a city block. You speak of the best and brightest. The best and brightest don't sit on council, the best and brightest are always willing to help and offer ideas, I know a neighbor who is a Sr. Manager at McKinsey & Co., arguably the most prestigious firm in North America, and city council has rebuffed her efforts to help the city. Those with brains, the best and brightest, need not apply. This is segregation at its worse, dividing a huge land mass based upon a power play so the city won't be inconvenienecd by the "little" peopel, the 49900 others tht pay taxes and reside in Middletown. Your arguemnt comparing towns the size of Trenton, Monroe, Germantown is flawed. |
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An ignorant person is one who doesn't know what you have just found out. - Will Rogers
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wasteful
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 27 2009 Status: Offline Points: 793 |
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Vet did you not read any of the above posts! Most of the Council Members now come from the 1st and 3rd ward. Is the 2nd ward being ignored by any of them....NO. Is any other ward going to have $75-100,000,000.00 poured in to it in the next 5 years in the form of Government aid.....NO.
Do many other cities in our area operate without the ward system effectively.....YES. Why are they able to operate effectively and Middletown can't? Middletown is for one think not Progressive in anything that it does....PERIOD.
Middletown is in dire straights and for the foreseeable future will be concentrating most of it's efforts on cleaning up the 2nd ward. You have to balance the needs of all of the wards in order to have the city prosper. If the City can pull itself out of the financial mess it has created the whole city will benefit as has been stated by others on this board. If you put the majority of your efforts and monies into one ward and neglect the other 3 wards you will fail. The city for the last 20-30 years has proved that it is a failure at maintaining infrastructure city wide and from the recent actions plans to do nothing to change that.
It will take a change in leadership that views the city as a whole that will pull Middletown back from the brink of disaster, not just trying to fix the 2nd ward. You need to raise property values, fix the roads, fix the sewer and water system City wide not just in the 2nd ward or downtown.
You have a ward system now and what do they do work on the Downtown and the 2nd ward probably 75-80% of their time. There needs to be citywide leadership.
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wasteful
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accuro ahhhh is not Hamilton comparable to Middletown population wise and size wise and they operate without wards. As far as not having the brightest then get rid of them. I could careless if the brightest come from ward 1, 2 3 or 4 or all city wide as long as they are progressive and bright enough to move the city forward. You currently have people on Council who say:
1) forget the city's image help the needy. (Ford)
2) we must remember who we are an urban city. (Scott-Jones)
3) we need more section 8 due to the economy (Schiavone)
4) if we do away with section 8 we will lose employees (Marconi)
5) doesn't say anything 95% of the time (Armbruster)
6) we are not set up to answer questions (Mulligan)
7) we are in financial straits here and need to deal with it sooner or later (Becker)
8) Middletown has a Bright Future. (Gilleland)
Now of those 8 comments only one is dealing with reality and moving the city forward and that would be Becker #7.
You have no facts to back up your supposition that the 2nd and 4th ward would be ignored by anyone, other than your own paranoia.
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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The poor operation of the city has everything to do with the lack of common sense, lack of correct priorities, mishandling of financial matters/incorrect spending, wrong direction and secretive agenda set forth by the MMF/powerbrokers in this town guiding the Council puppets on the direction they want this city to take. The city manager and those working for her are doing the bidding of the powerbrokers through the Council. The people on Council are not making the decisions, the small group of behind the scenes MMF people are. The city not progressive.- Agree 100%. The 2nd Ward is not being ignored AT THIS TIME because that is the ward that the city leaders are using to bring revenue into the city. Prior to the federal money coming in, the 2nd Ward was an afterthought. No "compelling reason" (Mike) to consider them important. They were constantly going to Council and asking when the city was going to put some effort into their area as they are the entryway to the city from the south. The 2nd Ward still wouldn't be considered important by city leaders if not for this money. Fixing the streets/infrastructure in all areas of the city,- absolutely! Change in leadership-viewing the city as a whole- good concept, hope it happens. Citywide leadership- never happen without wards. Without ward representation, all council members will be from the same areas and will not put a fair effort into administering to all parts of the city. JMO
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wasteful
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"Citywide leadership- never happen without wards. Without ward representation, all council members will be from the same areas and will not put a fair effort into administering to all parts of the city."
Once again you have no proof of this.
The 2nd ward has been the recipient of Tens of Millions of dollars in Government aid for years, the section 8 program has doubled since 2000. HUD funds are poured into downtown and the 2nd ward.
Their is always a check and balance if the wards are done away with and Council is not representing the City properly you can always push for a recall.
The City is doing right now what you claim a Council elected City wide would do with the 2nd ward and downtown. Currently the bulk of the city is ignored and the Downtown and 2nd ward are the focus of the bulk of funds into Middletown and employee expense.
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VietVet
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Alrighty then. We'll do it your way. Let's get away from the POSSIBILITY- that's POSSIBILITY, of not having all people represented in all areas of town by doing away with the ward system. Only then, will we see who is correct here. Otherwise, we are both just guessing, aren't we? Gotta go do chores now. This is going nowhere. Good talking to you.
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spiderjohn
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correct wasteful--I do not live in ward 3
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wasteful
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Spider if the HUD fund request goes Through 2nd ward will get the bulk if not all of the $20 Million and then you have the $11 Million for Section 8 plus Public Housing monies etc. , with the Bulk of that going into the 2nd ward for the next 5 years that is going to be about $60-75 Million.
As far as buying gas hell they have closed or shut down 4 gas stations on the east end. You can't even get off I-75 right now and find a gas station without a map.
You can't buy gas on WoodLawn Ave at R & R Oil or the two stations on Oxford State Rd and South Verity in the 2nd ward. Man they are closing all of the stations in Middletown. Good thing we got that Bike Path coming.
Spider I am with you on the Infrastructure fund being reestablished and asap.
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