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here&now 
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 Topic: Rusty GuttersPosted: Mar 26 2009 at 12:11pm |
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I came home from work yesterday and had a letter from the City of Middletown and The US Department of Housing and urban Development (HUD) waiting for me. In short it said that my gutters were rusty and need to be replaced or I could face city code enforcement. After looking up the "code" I found that this means the if not done in 30 days the city will replace them for me and send the bill. Are my gutters rusty? sure they are, there gutters and they tend to get that way. Did I need to the City to tell me this?No I did not! So after calling the number given, and asking for someone to come out and tell me why this is such a problem for Middletown (No one came). I decided drive around town taking pictures of what I thought were bigger issues that "they" should be concerned with. And believe me when I say I could have drove all day.
My point is this: In a time when people are struggling to keep their jobs and their houses it behooves me to think that I must now go spend money that I don't have to replace what wasn't bothering me in the first place. Instead for being concerned with all the boarded up houses in town and the failing businesses, It's my gutters that are a problem for the City. Click here if you would like to see pics of my outrageous gutters and here for the other pictures I took yesterday.  Click here for large image |
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VietVet
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Posted: Mar 26 2009 at 12:36pm |
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here&now- Work computer system won't allow me to look at your pictures.Given that, there are two ways to decifer this. Are the gutters actually rusted through and leaking water OR- gutters are discolored with a rust color and need to be painted ,not replaced??? If only rust colored, a few hours on a ladder and a gallon of paint should satisfy the requirement and be a cheap fix. However, rust color may bleed through. Hope it's not a total replacement for you. Will try to look at your pictures on the home computer with no filters after work.
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Pacman
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Posted: Mar 26 2009 at 12:41pm |
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This is a joke from a city whose infrastructure is crumbling, has more brownfields and abandonded buildings than New Orleans after Katrina and they are going to start this. Trying to get the city to fix anything is a like pulling teeth....."we don't have the money" they continually say.
Time to storm City Council with several 100 or even better several 1000 and demand some answers and action.
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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
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Mike_Presta
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Posted: Mar 26 2009 at 12:49pm |
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Here&now:
Is it possible that you have upset someone at City Hall recently??
Just a thought...don't know why it crossed my mind.
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Pacman
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Posted: Mar 26 2009 at 1:09pm |
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If that is the case Mike look out, they will probably bring the whole inspection Dept. to your home.
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Bwood
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Posted: Mar 26 2009 at 1:11pm |
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Didn't Middletown just get some money for housing renovations? Maybe you are eligible to get them replaced with that money.
Community Development Block Grant (CDBG) Emergency Home Repair - This program is intended to provide minor home repair grants to low income homeowners of Middletown. Eligible repairs are those which pose an immediate or crucial threat to the health and safety of the household. Such repairs include:
For more information, please contact Kyle Fuchs at (513) 425-7950. |
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here&now
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Posted: Mar 26 2009 at 2:10pm |
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VietVet- The gutters are just rusted, not leaking or falling off and some paint is enough to fix the problem. I just thought it was funny that this is what our City has to worry about. I do plan on painting them this weekend, but is not how I wanted to spend my days off.
I do hope you can check out the pictures, I believe you'll get a kick out of the things I saw.
Mike- I did not upset anyone at City Hall but it was the first thing I thought of as well.
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randy
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Posted: Mar 26 2009 at 2:19pm |
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Pacman- Let me know when you have this planned and you can count me in. I have a few questions I would like to see if they can answer.
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Mike_Presta
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Posted: Mar 26 2009 at 5:35pm |
 Bring 'em on!! They'll have to deal with my wife--she does all of the maintenance here!!
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Mike_Presta
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Posted: Mar 26 2009 at 5:38pm |
Ooops...wait...how fast must one be able to move to be qualified to "STORM"???
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Pacman
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Posted: Mar 26 2009 at 6:14pm |
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Mike for you we will make it a Hurricaine you know one of those Florida ones that just slowly moves up the coast over a few days. Ah I don't miss those suckers.
But truthfully the only way to get some answers at a council meeting would be for a large, very large group to show up. Citizens comments, I think Council just sits their and day dreams now and says next...........
Need a few good speakers and lots of backup.
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MadisonMom
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Posted: Mar 26 2009 at 6:48pm |
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So...would a City employee actually fix the gutters...OR...would they hire a business inside/outside the City to fix your gutters.....
I truly don't understand unless your house if falling apart. |
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Vivian Moon
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Posted: Mar 26 2009 at 6:48pm |
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I will be speaking at the next City Council Meeting |
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here&now
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Posted: Mar 26 2009 at 7:05pm |
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MadisonMom- That is a very good question you asked and to answer you. No the house is in really good shape, are there things I would like to improve upon? Of course but what home owner doesn't have things they would like to do to there house? |
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Mike_Presta
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Posted: Mar 26 2009 at 7:12pm |
Are the gutters rusty on the vault in Pioneer Cemetery??? Perhaps we should send an appropriately edited version of Mr. Tuttle's letter to the City!!!
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Impala SS
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Posted: Mar 26 2009 at 7:43pm |
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So are we going to storm city hall council meeting on April 7, 2009? If so count me in also, we need to tell them to wash the windows on second floor. You can barely see through them check em out.
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tomahawk35
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Posted: Mar 26 2009 at 9:38pm |
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Count me in as a backup, you don't me to speak because of my short temper when I speak to morons.
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spiderjohn
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Posted: Mar 27 2009 at 3:10pm |
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hey--at least two of my co-workers recieved the same letter, so there are probably a lot of these notices out there. I wouldn't worry about it.
HEY CITY PEOPLE:
Times are tough, and families living in these homes being scrutinized hardly have the funding for major home repairs, UNLESS y'all are ready to start using the HUD,CDBG and other grant funding towards those who need it, INSTEAD of down S.Main St. on the old mansions.
Why not start by visiting citizens to first encourage cleaning off their front porches,front yards,back yards and alleys? These efforts would only require a sincere effort and would cost next to nothing. Plus it would dramatically improve the overall appearance of our community and maybe inspire neighborhoods to maintain a good look.
The city is going to need the citizens come November, and currently there isn't much sympathy/support for the municipals. If ya want to slam the door shut now, go right ahead! The yob u save may be yer own!
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Vivian Moon
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Posted: Mar 29 2009 at 10:33am |
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Mike Presta Ms. Moon
Are the gutters rusty on the vault in Pioneer Cemetery??? Perhaps we should send an appropriately edited version of Mr. Tuttle's letter to the City!!! Hey Mike I have a SPECIAL GIFT for Mr. Tuttle at the next Council Meeting. The vault doesn't even have any gutters or downspouts anymore because they rusted away years ago. The VIOLATIONS on the vault at the cemetery could fill an entire page....but the City doesn't have the money because times are tough....REALLY! However now the City is sending these letters to Senior citizens who can hardly pay their Duke bills and demanding they improve their properties...to young couples that have lost their jobs and living on unemployment and demanding they repair their properties....I'm afraid the the City has made a major mistake this time. I believe a Citizen's Revolt is about to occur. Spider has the correct approach to this "Clean Up Project". |
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VietVet
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Posted: Mar 29 2009 at 12:04pm |
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If this is really important to the city that they are sending out letters to property owners, Ann Mort's group is taking ideas for their list to improve Middletown. Perhaps Mort needs to place these "rusty gutter" projects on her list as they present the types of problems that Mort and her group want corrected to improve the image of the town. Property owner buys the paint- Mort's group supplies the elbow grease if the property owners are unable to do so. Just a suggestion. How about a barter system where the owner gets this work done in exchange for donating some time to one of Mort's projects.
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Pacman
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Posted: Mar 29 2009 at 2:30pm |
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Gee I just wonder how many times the city has violated it's own ordinances and used the excuse we don't have the money to fix the problem, or is the City exempt from fixing any of the issues it is responsible for?
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Vivian Moon
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Posted: Mar 29 2009 at 3:39pm |
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Pacman If they can force the homeowners to clean and repair their propety then you can also make a business owner clean up their property...If Mr. Tuttle needs any help I have about 150 photographs that I'll be happy to share with him.
Hey I'm such a sweet little old lady that I'm even willing to do a "Show & Tell" at a Council Meeting. |
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here&now
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Posted: Mar 30 2009 at 11:11am |
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So here is the latest on my gutter situation. I found a phone number to call about this "assistance" the city has for these repairs of my gutters and the countless other people that received letters like mine. And the truth is there is not much "assistance at all. In fact a was told that I could fill out an application for a loan from the city at 3 percent and pay it back over 15 years. Now 3 percent is a great rate, I just found it funny that a city that is broke can loan me money at such a great rate.
I did ask for the application to be mailed to me,why not ?  I would like to thank everyone for all the comments and if we are storming City Hall please let me know when. |
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retired co
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Posted: Mar 31 2009 at 12:10pm |
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Being retired and somewhat disabled myself I can sympathize with a lot of these poor folks. However why don't they get on these section 8 slum lords that folks are living in houses that should be condemned homes.
I have complained about a rental with trash trees growing up all over the back yard the condition of the roof on the house and was told they can't make the landlord cut the trees or clean up the brush . The area is a breeding ground for mosquitos in the summer also we have opossums and racoons using the area. I try to maintain my place as best as I can but I have had to hire somethings done for the up keep. I know of 2 instances of where an elderly lady had a notice sent to her about her privacy fence being replaced because rentals next door have destroyed it. I also know of a woman who has to paint the dormers windows in her place which is nearly impossible to get to without a lift.
While across the street from her are windows broken out yards look like rumpke mountain junk cars sitting on the streets . Same lady has to put a roof on a old garage
within 30 days and she has been told by her employer no pay raises in the next few years .
SO if you live on a fixed income , you are laid off, lost a job, or can't expect any pay raises for a few years you get notices to fix it. Well Middletown where is the money they are going to get their money trees are bare. I believe that come election time some of the ones on council will be joining some of our less fortunate in the unemployment line.
I'll say it for those less fortunate folks that are citizens of this armpit of a town. What part of we don't have the money for your demands don't you understand.
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spiderjohn
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Posted: Mar 31 2009 at 3:43pm |
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I read where 2300 of these letters have been mailed.
Wouldn't it be interesting if all 2300 contested the allegations and requested a court hearing? Mr.Adkins might be tied up for quite a while, also upsetting the criminal docket and prep.
Still--a united visit to the next Council session could be an option.
Would everyone be given an opportunity to speak, like during the Section 8 session?
Remember--these are citizens, not accused of any crime, and would be expressing their right to address their "accuser"(in this case the city).
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