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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Posted: Oct 24 2016 at 8:41pm |
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What A City
MUSA Resident Joined: Nov 06 2009 Status: Offline Points: 115 |
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Again, for the umpteenth time, where is the money to replace the raid on the street repair fund during the mid-80's? Why wasn't the money replaced? Where is the gas tax money going? Why hasn't a street fund been re-established?....or has it? Isn't that tax designed to support the street repairs? If as much focus had been on street repair all these years as it has been on the downtown dream, perhaps we would have been "further up the road" on seeing improvement on our streets.
Now, it appears the city leaders are searching for revenue......any revenue they can find (including ideas based on more taxes such as the street light suggestion or raising the water and sewer rates) Taxing people is all they know. Much easier than to work on getting corporate and payroll taxes in town for revenue. That would actually take some effort. In the past, money was allocated for a purpose, then quickly disappeared to be mixed and lost, unaccounted for, in that great abyss known as the General Fund, a favorite watering hole for all the "special projects" including the downtown pet project. How's that downtown project and all the millions spent on it looking now as to an investment when the streets are crumbling all around the city? Wrong focus.....again. And yes, Mr. Adkins, I know all of this was before your time. Just speaking in retrospect. How could past city leaders have been so short-sighted in the street repair area knowing the deterioration factor would eventually have to be dealt with? Same goes for the sewers and water system. Basic provisions for the people. No common sense. Basics first, Mr. Adkins. Then, you can work on your downtown. Think sewers, water, fire, police, safety, roads, infrastructure first. The rest to follow down the road after the city foundation is taken care of. |
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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non-mandated taxes(fee increases) coupled with continued selective(former downtown area) tax abatements is hardly a solution that will win over citizens(taxpayers).
Who makes up the tax loss to schools? How many tax abatements are going on in the former downtown area compared to similar businesses throughout the city? Who has them and for how long? How many jobs and payroll tax $$ have they created? Are any abatements due to expire? Once we had these buildings filled with white collar jobs and property/payroll/business tax-paying entities. Now almost everything is abated and/or non-profit. How will this pay off long term?
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Douglas Adkins
MUSA Resident Joined: Aug 22 2016 Status: Offline Points: 94 |
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Spider -
Keep in mind that the tax abatements are only on the improvements to the downtown buildings. The owners continue to pay on the existing value of the building before investment and renovation. We lose nothing but future money that we wouldn't have if the buildings are not renovated and the property values increased. Second, the school district loses nothing except increased property taxes abated through renovations for whatever period was negotiated. The school district is completely on board with this process and has executed an agreement with the city to support our efforts. We have property and income tax abatements all over the city for improvements and expansion of local business. We have a tax incentive review committee that meets each year, reviews the promises made against the results and recommends continuing or cancelling the abatements made. If you'd like, I'd be happy to see if I have a way to post that here, or if not, on the city web page for review. As you know, I don't hide the ball. That report has the company, the abatement offered, the promises made and the results of each deal to date. The dates of the deal are also on the report. We're not nearly as downtown focused as you think and maybe this would help in explaining that. |
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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Thanx for the timely explanation.
Maybe you could post a link to the docs that you mention? Fair enough on the improvement abatement, though bars/restaurants a/b/c/d paying taxes on their improvements while competing against similar type x/y/z abated businesses(+ properties given and/or subsidized somewhat makes for a slanted playing field. We all want every area and business owner to succeed--we all win when they do. Maybe the Journal could print something on these patterns and abatements with results? Who is on the committee that reviews these situations? |
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Douglas Adkins
MUSA Resident Joined: Aug 22 2016 Status: Offline Points: 94 |
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Give me a couple days and I'll try to gather up the Tax Incentive Review Committee Members and figure out how to make the report easy to find online. I'll let you know when I have it available.
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Douglas Adkins
MUSA Resident Joined: Aug 22 2016 Status: Offline Points: 94 |
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Spider,
I've got the 2016 TIRC presentation and the minutes of the annual meeting on the city web page now. My skill in inserting the hyperlink here is not up to par, but the web page below takes you to the right place. Once you are there, you are looking at the left side of the page for the two reports titled "2016 TIRC Presentation" and "2016 TIRC Minutes." If you review the files, you'll see that every Enterprise Zone, TIF, and CRA agreement is reviewed annually with a recommendation to continue or discontinue. You'll also see that most of the incentives are not downtown. I hope this helps explain the process. http://www.cityofmiddletown.org/finance |
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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Will work through it
A sincere thank you for the discourse and appreciation for your efforts. We are all united in hoping for success Why hasn't communication always been this two-sided? actually council should answer that ? |
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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This sounds like the administration doesn't think that residents now pay for street lights, but we DO!! We, the people, pay for EVERYTHING that the city, state, or federal government spends money on. Government has NO money unless they first confiscate it from we, the people! You simply have not taxed us as a separate line item for street lights as yet. But we, the people, are most certainly paying for them now, just as we have been paying for them from the first day they were installed.
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Douglas Adkins
MUSA Resident Joined: Aug 22 2016 Status: Offline Points: 94 |
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Mike - I agree with your post completely.
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