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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Posted: Jan 28 2015 at 6:50am |
Posted: 5:50 p.m.
Tuesday, Jan. 27, 2015 Board OKs sale of former
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Factguy
MUSA Resident Joined: Dec 07 2009 Status: Offline Points: 217 |
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I believe moving the school to be near the high school was good for the district and strongly was in favor of passing the levy. However, and I know it has no impact now nor will change the acceptance of the bid, but where did the district get $330,000 would be needed for demolition? The city probably could have done this for $50,000., as they did a very nice job on Sunset pool, for 1/10th of what bids were received. Also, with all the contractors the city has hired for taking down properties from the Hardest Hit Fund and accompanying land bank, it seems they could have have gotten a better number for demo than $330,000. No?
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FmrMide81
MUSA Resident Joined: Aug 26 2012 Status: Offline Points: 188 |
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Yeah-took a lot of know how to fill in a pool shaped hole. Too bad the city can't extrapolate that knowledge into properly filling potholes.
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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And Sunset Park sits empty with no planned activities to my knowledge
No golf course-no pools-no concerts in the parks Less police-less fire Property purchases/giveaways not giving citizens roi More potholes-more staff-wanting more taxes How will the hoped changes on the east end benefit citizens, fact guy? |
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Factguy
MUSA Resident Joined: Dec 07 2009 Status: Offline Points: 217 |
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Sunset pool wasn't used before by children and hasn't since the 60's.
Weatherwax being leased and remains golf course, city out of business, Wildwood, Brown's Run avaialble. Less police and fire because of shrinking population, not needed. Property bought downtown elevated values by controlling what was developed, and restored historic values by library. Staff doesn't want more taxes. Know if it goes above current rate, most the city trying to keep from leaving, will leave. AKS relo, UHC, others, will bring in 1,000 jobs, and payroll plus prop taxes.
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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No argument about the pool(s)--more about park usage ane events similar to what we used to see....we CAN have community events without pools.
I hear that the golf course situation is very shaky---not sure how long it will hold together and how conditions will be--hoping for the best. Wildwood/BRCC situations seem to be improving--still private clubs. Population shrinking? Wonder why, and what types of residents are leaving? Less police and fire is not a positive with our crime/emergency rates imo. Property downtown with elevated values? It all had to be GIVEN away, and often we had to PAY someone to take it. Auctioning brought few takers. Only non-profits and/or no tax/employee situations. Let's get real about what is happening down there.... Quality of life issues for those who remain, factguy--something has to change for the better regarding shopping/dining/entertainment options. More long-termers with means are becoming dis-illusioned and making exit strategies. What is being done internally to appease/hold them? Who will replace them? A few jobs on the far east end may add a few residents, though many will choose surrounding areas. Crawford St. has been razed with nothing coming back yet---Supthin now looks as bad as Crawford did... Let's shrink this discussion down to what is happening/can be done to tangibly increase the quality of life for those residing here. It has to happen in order to retain quality residents... |
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Factguy Weatherwax being leased
and remains golf course, city out of business, Wildwood, Brown's Run avaialble. Less police and fire
because of shrinking population, not needed. Property bought downtown
elevated values by controlling what was developed, and restored historic values
by library. Staff doesn't want more
taxes. Know if it goes above current rate, most the city trying to keep from
leaving, will leave. AKS relo, UHC, others,
will bring in 1,000 jobs, and payroll plus prop taxes.
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Factguy
MUSA Resident Joined: Dec 07 2009 Status: Offline Points: 217 |
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Quality of life varies based upon stage of life. Older, retired adults, empty nesters, would want safety, medical care, restaurants, culture. Young professionals without children, or those with, would want good schools, good parks, sports, safety, extra-curricular activities for for their children. Recreation, such as bike riding, gyms, is important for any age.
Middletown passed the school levy, which provides quality of life for young adults and their children. Moreover, the number of individuals who have been on both the school board and the city council that have lived in the city for decades demonstrates a commitment and longevity in their belief in the city. For those evaluating the city to re-locate, that is very important. The city has succeeded in demonstrating its commitment and ability to provide a fine quality of life. |
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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Factguy:
"Older, retired adults, empty nesters, would want safety...." "Young professionals without children, or those with, would want good schools, good parks, sports, safety...." Common word in your two comments are SAFETY, right Factguy? If true, then why do you think either you or the other city leaders would want to chop the police and fire to the absolute minimum? The parks are ok. The schools? Not even close to being acceptable. Factguy: "Recreation, such as bike riding, gyms, is important for any age." Nope, not any age. Few over the age of 65 are riding bikes, nor have a gym membership. I agree, it WOULD BE important IF the 65+ age group were inclined to actually participate in the exercises you are suggesting here, but facts say they don't. Factguy" "Middletown passed the school levy, which provides quality of life for young adults and their children" Nope. Not with this school district. This district doesn't offer any quality of life upgrades simply due to it's performance. As a matter of fact, the school levy to build new schools does not enhance Middletown at all as to attracting new residents. The new schools do not erase the poor reputation and performance known by all outside the city. This school district doesn't help, nor add any quality of life experiences to current residents either as it is not a quality system. Fatguy: "Moreover, the number of individuals who have been on both the school board and the city council that have lived in the city for decades demonstrates a commitment and longevity in their belief in the city" Nope. Not only have the members of the school boards and councils, past and present, NOT demonstrated a commitment/"longevity of their beliefs", they have destroyed the city and the schools as compared to what they were four decades ago. Your statement would be correct IF we are to assume their "commitment" was to bring the city to it's knees and screw up everything that was good about the city. Otherwise, you are dead wrong on your praise for these two groups. Factguy: "For those evaluating the city to re-locate, that is very important. The city has succeeded in demonstrating its commitment and ability to provide a fine quality of life." Do you even live in this city? Are you seeing what is really going on here? You're kidding, right? A "fine quality of life" in a city that has been turned into a ghetto, low income, Section 8 riddled, deceasing property values, poor schools, poor infrastructure, poor image failure? Seriously? That is one fine statement of denial going on for you and you, IMO, have just been nominated the Chair of the rose-colored glasses committee. You have just demonstrated that you are totally out of touch with the reality of the situation in this city. Stop the nonsense Factguy and join us for a reality check. |
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I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.
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Factguy
MUSA Resident Joined: Dec 07 2009 Status: Offline Points: 217 |
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Viet Vet, everything you said was based upon many factors neither the city nor the board of education has had any control over the past 60 years. Moreover, neither has the city council nor board of education, in most part, even been in the positions during the time you are speaking. The Mulligans have only been on the council after additional section 8 was brought in. What did they and other council members attempt to do? They pull back the number of vouchers and support one several levies that provide a higher quality of life that you were in favor. The Senior Citizens levy.
To bring new business into the city, and as companies require a highly educated work force, the lured Cincinnati State to make investments and a commitment, and opened the first regional community college in Butler County. There is not a school board member nor council member in fifteen years that has not recognized Middletown is a manufacturing town in transition. Blue collar jobs across the country have been replaced by robotics, reducing work force numbers. The city knows the market has changed, and the city must change. We've been doing it for fifteen years. You have said many times, Middletown is a blue collar town. The problem is, there aren't enough blue collar jobs as there were fifty years ago. You want Middletown to stay as it is, a blue collar town. There isn't a problem in that, other than there aren't enough blue collar jobs in the new world global economy to support the city as there were in the past. We are trying to change and move forward in the new economy. You appear to want Middletown to stay as its always been, all the while blaming others the revenue stream isn't there. Moreover, everything to change Middletown for the better has been put in place with new leadership. Blaming our leadership today is baseless when our base has been manufacturing. We are changing. Join us.
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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Factguy:
"Viet Vet, everything you said was based upon many factors neither the city nor the board of education has had any control over the past 60 years" Horsecrap Factguy! They chose to run for office. They chose to sit in the chairs manning council and the board. THEY CALLED TO SHOTS AS TO DIRECTION OF THE CITY AND THE SCHOOLS. CERTAINLY THEY HAD CONTROL OVER THINGS. "Moreover, neither has the city council nor board of education, in most part, even been in the positions during the time you are speaking" Correct, they are,for the most part, recent members AND they have had ample time under their belt to have changed things for the better but have failed miserably. Most on council and the school board have no intention of changing anything that hasn't worked and has led this city/schools on their downward slides. "They pull back the number of vouchers and support one several levies that provide a higher quality of life that you were in favor" The Mulligans (at least Larry) were a part of the condoning of the increase in vouchers. He and the others certainly could have reacted to the increase alot sooner than they did. They wanted the revenue and when they FINALLY saw what it was doing to the city, they decided to pull back on the reins, to no avail. "To bring new business into the city, and as companies require a highly educated work force, the lured Cincinnati State to make investments and a commitment, and opened the first regional community college in Butler County" No, they brought CS into the downtown area to bolster foot traffic and provide for activity in their downtown area. The "highly educated workforce" as a residual of their original motives. And, CS hasn't exactly been a strong catalyst for downtown activity now has it. To date, it has not come close to reaching it's intented goals of interest from students. Look at the attendance numbers. "There is not a school board member nor council member in fifteen years that has not recognized Middletown is a manufacturing town in transition. Blue collar jobs across the country have been replaced by robotics, reducing work force numbers. The city knows the market has changed, and the city must change. We've been doing it for fifteen years." Then how is it that we read all the time where Hamilton, West Chester and the surrounding communities are opening their doors to new manufacturing companies if they are being replaced? Got some news for you Factguy. There are still plenty of manufacturing jobs that can't be filled by robotics out there. Come play in my world of private sector work to learn more. "The city knows the market has changed, and the city must change" The city doesn't know a dam thing. That's why they are so far behind the surrounding communities in jobs and development. The Econ. Dev. Dept in this city is anemic compared to others. "Youhave said many times, Middletown is a blue collar town. The problem is, there aren't enough blue collar jobs as there were fifty years ago" Sure there are. Machinists, tool and die makers, diesel mechanics, draftsmen, good auto mechanics, construction- electricians,plumbers, heavy equipment operators, etc. Many areas in blue collar left. "e are trying to change and move forward in the new economy. You appear to want Middletown to stay as its always been, all the while blaming others the revenue stream isn't there" No, I want you to replace as you destroy. I want you to get some decent paying job opportunities in this city. I want you to make the town respectable again and repair the image you have destroyed. |
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I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.
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