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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Posted: Oct 13 2014 at 11:57am |
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September 2009: Local businessman and former city councilman Perry Thatcher meets with Cincinnati State’s resident chef to cook at the Manchester Inn. A deal to bring a October 2011: The city purchased the former CG&E, Bank One, First National, April 13, 2012: City Manager Judy Gilleland signs off on selling the former CG&E building for $202,000 and donating the former Aug. 9, 2012: Aug. 29, 2013: Monday October 13, 2014
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Perplexed
MUSA Citizen Joined: Apr 22 2009 Status: Offline Points: 315 |
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Miss Vivian -
In the case of The Dougmeister, his so-called truth is only in the eyes of the beholder. Like his predecessor, Dougie once again embellishes the truth to get only what he wants. After all, he says 'give me the power and I will take care of things'. |
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John Beagle
MUSA Official Joined: Apr 23 2007 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 1855 |
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Welcome back Vivian.
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over the hill
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 19 2012 Location: middletown Status: Offline Points: 952 |
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Welcome back Vivian!
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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So, if the purpose of purchasing the buildings downtown from the Thatcher estate was to start the CS campus, and if the statement below is true....
"College officials expressed interest in the CG&E building and the Manchester Inn." then why did this purchase happen..... "October 2011: The city purchased the former CG&E, Bank One, First National, Masonic Temple buildings for $300,000." I see the CG&E building in this group, as requested by the college, but I don't see the Manchester Inn included. Again, why were these other buildings in the mix? Welcome back Viv. Nice to see that you have introduced some date pertaining to enrollment that brings this whole CS embellishment fantasy into perspective. The story actually (conveniently) leaves out the ORIGINAL PROJECTED ENROLLMENT OF 5000 students in 5 years, reduced to the 3000 mentioned. Pattern here, like always. City starts a project, any project. City makes a prediction as to outcome of project. Reality sets in and the project will not produce the outcome predicted. City lowers bar to meet actual situation. City enlists the Journal to report embellished story that hides real truth and deflects the actual performance of the original plan. Standard Operating Procedure where city thinks they are fooling the people. Most don't care. Some city supporters are fooled, believing everything they are fed, city non-leader supporters aren't fooled and believe little from city hall. |
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I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.
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bumper
MUSA Citizen Joined: Feb 01 2010 Location: over here Status: Offline Points: 307 |
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Fall enrollment drops at Cincinnati State Middletown!! Denise Hamet, acting like the city’s economic development director. She said additional students means there will be more of a demand for services, and that will spur growth. really don't think you are gonna spur much of anything with that 14.6-percent drop.... |
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over the hill
MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 19 2012 Location: middletown Status: Offline Points: 952 |
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Sooo do we really need to tear down the Montgomery Ward building for 3000 parking spaces to accommodate 526 students? Why or is this just another way to get money to do this project?
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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There are 526 students taking classes this fall, 242 full-time and 284 part-time, said Jean Manning, spokeswoman at Cincinnati State Technical and Community College
THE 242 FULL TIME AND 284 PART TIME STUDENTS MAY OR MAY NOT BE DOWNTOWN ON A REGULAR BASIS. DOESN'T SAY HOW MANY ACTUALLY ATTEND THE DOWNTOWN SITE ON A GIVEN DAY. I WOULDN'T IMAGINE THAT THESE NUMBERS CREATE THAT MUCH DOWNTOWN FOOT TRAFFIC TO EFFECT A REAL CHANGE ON CUSTOMER NUMBERS FOR THE BUSINESSES. From 2012 to this year, the number of students taking online courses at Cincinnati State Middletown jumped from two to 54, Manning said 54 ARE ON-LINE WITH NO REASON TO GO DOWNTOWN. When Cincinnati State opened, Michael Chikeleze, Middletown director, said to meet regional demands, the college planned to increase enrollment to 3,000 by 2017. NOT THE ORIGINAL NUMBERS. 5000 IN 5 YEARS WAS THE ORIGINAL GOAL. IT IS NOT ATTAINABLE AT THIS RATE. He said Cincinnati State has redeveloped and reoccupied an empty six-story office building at the corner of Central Avenue and North Main Street, investing millions of dollars into renovations. That investment has raised property values of surrounding downtown buildings, he said. Longtime Middletown Rachel Lewitt, whose office is located on Central Avenue, said there’s been increased real estate activity downtown, but she hasn’t seen a dramatic rise in property values CONFLICT HERE. ADKINS SAYS IT RAISES PROPERTY VALUES. REALTOR LEWITT SAYS NO......WHO'S CORRECT? By serving as a downtown anchor, the daily student and faculty activity has made further investment in downtown more attractive, as several new businesses have opened this year on Central Avenue, Adkins said BUT JUST AS MANY BUSINESSES HAVE GONE OUT AS HAVE STARTED, RIGHT? THE DOWNTOWN MERCHANTS SPEAK.... Cincinnati State and the low cost of rent were two reasons Three Brothers Trading Cards and Games opened a store three months ago on Central Avenue. Justin Alfaro, one of the owners, said the business hopes to “capture” some of the Cincinnati State students. He has noticed more activity downtown recently and he credited that on Cincinnati State and the surrounding businesses. Sue Wittman, who owns Artique, a custom frame gallery in the Pendleton Art Center, just down the street from Cincinnati State, said she “absolutely” has seen additional foot traffic downtown. She said college students eat at the cafe inside the Pendleton, and she has framed pictures for professors. Adriane Scherrer, a Middletown businesswoman, said Cincinnati State is “exactly what we needed downtown.” Now, she said, the city needs to address what those students need such as coffee shops with WiFi, and computer and school supply stores. Jay and Linda Moorman, owners of BeauVerre Riordan Stained Glass Studios on Central Avenue, said they have seen a significant increase in people walking downtown since Cincinnati State opened. They said students and staff are patronizing Murphy’s Landing and the Canal House, two businesses next to the stained glass studio. Jay Moorman called the influx of students “a much needed shot in the arm” for his and all downtown businesses. His wife added the college is creating “a lot of positive things” downtown. “There is a lot of energy down here,” she said. DUNNO ABOUT ALL THIS BEING TRUE. SOME MORE EMBELLISHMENT PERHAPS? He said Cincinnati State has become an active member of the community. He said various volunteers from the college have assisted on several projects. Recently, the mural on the side of the former Butler County Job and Family Services building on Central Avenue was dedicated, and Dr. O’dell Owens, president of Cincinnati State, attended and painted the final fish on the building DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF MURALS AND FISH PAINTING BY OWENS AS THE BEING A VIABLE NEED FOR DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT. Adkins said on an economic development level, one of the goals of Cincinnati State’s strategic plan was to “increase the accessibility of higher education for a broader population and address the need for a more skilled workforce.” He said the city recognized that today’s advanced manufacturing jobs require skills beyond a high school diploma MUM AND BUTLER TECH SATISFY THIS NEED. HAVE BEEN FOR DECADES. The more the college grows, the larger the impact it has downtown, said Denise Hamet, the city’s economic development director. She said additional students means there will be more of a demand for services, and that will spur growth SORRY MS HAMET, BUT HAVING STUDENTS IN THE PIPELINE DOESN'T MEAN THERE WILL BE A DEMAND FOR SERVICES. THAT IS CONTROLLED BY THE CONSUMER. GOOD EXAMPLE? MASSAGE THERAPISTS. PLENTY OF THEM BUT A LIMITED OPPORTUNITY FOR EMPLOYMENT BASED ON THE DEMAND FOR THOSE SERVICES. GOT A DEGREE BUT CAN THEY USE IT? |
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I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.
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TonyB
MUSA Citizen Joined: Jan 12 2011 Location: Middletown, OH Status: Offline Points: 631 |
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The overarticulated plans for development downtown are nothing new. "Energy" downtown is nothing new. What would be "new" would be a study on the current economic impact of Cincinnati State downtown. You hear about "energy" but very little about money. You hear "pie-in-the-sky" economic visions but no idea how to make the vision a reality. Where's the follow through, the "proof" in numbers that this plan is working. Show the citizens that and let them decide. When this falls through because the recruitment of students fall short, do you have a plan?
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Mike_Presta
MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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You are spot on, TonyB!!!
Also, this was a terribly written Journal article!!! The start of the article (dealing with facts) told of the nearly 15% drop in enrollment, the majority of students being part-timers, the jump in students taking on-line courses, and the similar woes. However, when the article switched to comments from all of the usual suspects, it sounded as if things were booming at Cinci State, and the "boom" was lifting all of the former downtown Middletown!!! It must be wonderful to live in La-la Land!!!
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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bumper
MUSA Citizen Joined: Feb 01 2010 Location: over here Status: Offline Points: 307 |
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living in La-la Land!!! yep they sure are mike!! at that rate it won't be long and they will be boarding up the windows!! then just maybe!! they will get real, and dig a lake and put a roof over it or something..
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Posted: 7:00 a.m. Monday, Nov. 3, 2014 Fall enrollment drops at Cincinnati State Middletown
Lower numbers mirror state’s other community colleges.
By Rick McCrabb Staff Writer Enrollment at Cincinnati State Middletown dropped this quarter compared to the fall of 2013, but remains near record highs since the school opened two years ago, according to college officials. There are 526 students taking classes this fall, 242 full-time and 284 part-time, said Jean Manning, spokeswoman at Cincinnati State Technical and Community College. She said that number is the highest enrollment since the fall of 2013 when there were 616 students, she said. Manning said the 14.6-percent drop from 2013 to this year was expected because of a number of factors: the declining rate of high school graduates, an improved economy, and influx of new jobs into The enrollment drop was a trend seen in community colleges across From 2012 to this year, the number of students taking online courses at Cincinnati State Middletown jumped from two to 54, Manning said. When Cincinnati State opened a branch campus, the first community college in Butler County, in downtown Middletown in the fall two years ago, 311 students — 207 full-time and 104 part-time — were on site. Manning said the college remains “a work in progress,” but said the increased number of students taking classes in two years is “a great accomplishment.” She said the college is constantly refining its message, trying to reach students outside When In two years, the college has become “a key partner” with the city of He said Longtime Middletown Rachel Lewitt, whose office is located on By serving as a downtown anchor, the daily student and faculty activity has made further investment in downtown more attractive, as several new businesses have opened this year on When Brandon Soale was looking for a location to open Crab Apple Books, he said “Everybody has to drive down In the last few months, Uptown Country Boutique, a western fashion store, opened at Larry Wagers, owner of 3-D Creation Station, said he wanted his business located downtown, close to Sue Wittman, who owns Artique, a custom frame gallery in the Adriane Scherrer, a Jay and Linda Moorman, owners of BeauVerre Riordan Stained Glass Studios on Jay Moorman called the influx of students “a much needed shot in the arm” for his and all downtown businesses. His wife added the college is creating “a lot of positive things” downtown. “There is a lot of energy down here,” she said. Adkins said additional investment downtown is being developed now with new apartments for the Geotz Tower — located across the street from the campus — and with a $10 million renovation of the Manchester Inn and the planned addition of a microbrewery restaurant. “These types of ventures are only possible when the business community believes that downtown is growing and that their business investments are likely to bring profit and sustainability to the area,” Adkins said. He said Adkins said on an economic development level, one of the goals of There has been a conscious effort throughout the community to put more focus on education, from kindergarten readiness through post high school employment skills paying a living wage, he said. “Cincinnati State not only fulfills the overall goal of making higher education more available to the citizens of Middletown, but they also are partnering with area employers to create work force development options geared toward local employers and local needs,” he said. “We are truly starting to develop a 21st century work force from Opening a community college downtown was a dream of the late Perry Thatcher. He valued education and cherished The city acquired multiple buildings in anticipation of Cincinnati State Technical & Community College making a decision to expand into The city sold the former CG&E building to Higher Education Partners for $202,000. The deal included the donation of the former Middletown Area Senior Citizens Center. Chikeleze said the goal is to turn the vacant property at The more the college grows, the larger the impact it has downtown, said Denise Hamet, the city’s economic development director. She said additional students means there will be more of a demand for services, and that will spur growth. |
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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In two years, the college has become “a key partner” with the city of He said OOOPS..Mr. Doug, the CG&E building may have sold for 5.8 million..however..it only appraised for 3 million. You sold the Manchester Inn for $1 and the Bank One Building sold at bargin basement price also. Fifth Third gave the Tower to Grassroots so I can't find any examples of increased property values in this area.
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Perplexed
MUSA Citizen Joined: Apr 22 2009 Status: Offline Points: 315 |
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Miss Vivian, it seems that the Dougmeister, (otherwise known as The Apprentice), is following in the footsteps of Queen Judy when it comes to embellishing the truth on this and other matters of interest.
Just think of the continuing costs of staff time and taxpayer's money devoted to the C-State saga thus far. Surely, it won't be long until thousands of college students are trapsing the streets of the former downtown. Dream on, Dougie. |
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