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    Posted: Jul 09 2013 at 4:22am
I find it odd that the last meeting of the Middletown Public Housing Administration meeting (actually the city council) is not available on line anywhere.  These meetings used to be available from TV Middletown along with the corresponding City Council meetings.
 
Does anyone else find this unusual?
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unusual but not surprising
why should we know about what is going on?
after all--everyone involved is supposedly representing us!
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If memory serves, the last MPHA was called to order and had little or no business and adjourned with 5 members present. The regular council bullsession was called to order @ 5:45 with all members present.
Still no excuse for not making available what little happened.
 
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Letter from HUD to Judy Gilleland
received and stamped June 13 and
June 19, 2013

I have been told that this 3 page letter was not shared with council members until this week. What happened to council members request to be kept in the loop on this HUD situation?

MPHA Plan of
April 3, 2013 has not been approved by HUD.  MPHA now has 60 days
from
June 13, 2013 to submit a new plan to HUD, without reduction of voucher numbers.

The first deficiency listed is MPHA had 675 vouchers designated specifically for the non-elderly disabled population. To date only 417 of the 675 vouchers are in use.

I have also heard that City Hall has hired an outside law firm to represent them with their fight against HUD.




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How can anyone read the article and numbers below and not understand why HUD will not reduce the voucher program here in Middletown.



Updated: 12:20 a.m. Sunday, July 7, 2013 | Posted: 8:38 p.m. Saturday, July 6, 2013
BUTLER COUNTY

Poverty’s spread to suburbs strains social service agencies

By Richard Jones and Eric Robinette

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An increase in the number of people living in poverty in the past decade has put a strain on the resources of local social service agencies.

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 13.5 percent of Butler County residents were living in poverty in 2010, up from 8.7 percent in 1999. That’s 48,197 people living below the Federal Poverty Guideline, which for a family of four with two children, is $22,800 annually, or $18,123 for a single-parent family with two children.

The number of people in poverty in the city of Hamilton has jumped from 13.4 percent in 1999 to 20.9 percent in 2011, and in Middletown from 12.6 percent to 23.2 percent, according to a report issued earlier this year by the Ohio Department of Development using Census Bureau statistics.

These trends have put St. Raphael Social Service in Hamilton in such a strain that it has had to cut back on its ability to help people in need, according to Terry Perdue, executive director of the agency.

“We’re seeing more frequent visitors from larger households,” Perdue said of the agency that serves all of Butler County. “My theory is that since the economy has worsened, families are combining and a lot more people are living in one household.”

The agency’s food bank serviced 935 households in 2008 and 1,930 in 2012, with a peak of 2,132 households in 2011.

To keep pace with the dramatic increase in demand in 2011, the agency was forced to reduce its food bank hours from 9 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. five days a week to three hours a day, three days a week.

“We restricted the number of families we can serve to 40 a day,” Perdue said. “In November and December last year, we had to close entirely in order to re-stock. We’ve been holding food drives and are getting food from Shared Harvest, but we just can’t keep it on the shelves.

“We have too many people to manage,” he said.

At the same time, Purdue said there has been a noticeable drop in financial donations and an increase in material donations.

“I don’t think it’s a loss of faith in us,” he said, “but that they want to make a tangible difference in something they can be a part of.”

Supports to Encourage Low-Income Families has also seen a marked increase in the number of individuals served, from about 11,000 in 2001 to 18,251 in 2010, according to Beth Race, community relations director.

In the same time period, its revenues — mostly from federal sources — has remained relatively steady, from $2.2 million to $2.3 million, but that’s without adjusting for inflation.

And that’s not counting the more recent hits the agency has taken because of the federal sequester.

“It’s a tight budget, but we’ve been OK,” Race said. “But we can’t make up for the cuts with donations.”

Even though the economy is making a slow recovery, Race said the trend shows an increasing number of “working poor.”

“We see people who aren’t earning a living wage or getting benefits,” she said.

Poverty’s geography expands

Poverty persists and increases because the infrastructure of poverty services has changed, said Tina Osso, executive director of the Shared Harvest Food Bank.

“In the past, people who lived in poverty were concentrated in primarily urban areas. We knew where poor people generally lived. So over the years, we built a support infrastructure around that geography,” she said.

Many people point to the 2008 collapse of the economy as when poverty began to spread, but Osso said it goes back to the “Internet bubble” bursting around the turn of the century.

“People who normally were able to support themselves without any assistance did not live in urban areas. They began finding themselves in need of services because their income dropped,” Osso said.

So by the time the recession hit, “we were already seeing people who had been middle class unable to support themselves and generally living in suburban areas … the recession exacerbated the problem,” she said.

“We’ve heard the term ‘the disappearance of the middle class’ — all you have to do is go stand in our food pantry line, and you’ll see it,” Osso said.

Not only is poverty on the rise in cities like Middletown and Hamilton, but it’s made inroads into areas that are considered affluent, such as Mason.

Mason’s poverty rate is much smaller than Warren County’s larger cities, at 4.6 percent, according to the census statistics. But that’s almost double the 2.8 percent it was in 1999, according to the same study. Many people are surprised to learn that Mason has a food pantry at all, said its director, Gina Davis.

“From 2011 to 2012, I think we had a 38 percent increase. And I think part of that is because of getting awareness out. If I only had a quarter for every time someone said, ‘There’s a pantry in Mason?’” she said.

Davis said many of her clients tend to be families with at least one person who has lost their job, so they struggle to make ends meet.

“We certainly have a lot more middle class people that are shopping at our pantry, who might have been financially responsible, but if you haven’t had a job in three years, there’s only so many cheap jobs. A lot of families have really had to take a step back because maybe the spouse has been unemployed for two or three years and they’ve burned through their savings,” she said.

Davis estimated that in 2008, the pantry served 200 people a month. That amount doubled to 400 people a month in 2009, she said. Last year, it served 670 people a month.

“There’s always been people that have needed the pantry, but everyone was so shocked to find Mason had one. Everyone thinks Homearama, but everyone doesn’t live in a million-dollar house in Mason,” she said.

St. Raphael also reports that the number of food pantry clients it has from West Chester Twp., Liberty Twp. and Fairfield ZIP codes has grown from 225 in 2008 to 787 in 2012.

Housing crisis drives up rent

The delivery of social services is also changing to fit these growing demographics. One example is school-based services like the Backpack Program, which works with the Butler County Success Program to reach children through local school districts.

“The great thing about the Butler County Success program is that the the liaisons work with the families, not just the students. So the intervention that occurs there happens in their homes rather than in a social services setting, and that’s really the trend,” Osso said.

Many times, getting basic needs is a struggle. Renters in Ohio need to earn $13.79 per hour, nearly double the current minimum wage, in order to afford a basic apartment, according to a report released earlier this year by the Coalition on Homelessness and Housing in Ohio.

“The gap between what the minimum wage renter in Ohio is paid in wages and what they’re expected to pay in rent is widening significantly,” said Bill Faith, executive director of COHHIO. “The home ownership crisis drove rental prices up and out of reach for many of our most vulnerable populations. Those who have always relied on rental housing are getting squeezed out of this post-recession housing market.”

Working at the minimum wage in Ohio, a family must have 1.8 minimum wage earners working full-time, or one full-time earner working 70 hours per week to afford a modest two-bedroom apartment. An estimated 54 percent of renters in Ohio do not earn enough to afford a two-bedroom unit.

“With many more families renting rather than buying a home, and many experiencing unemployment or underemployment, being able to afford a modest two-bedroom rental is a very real question for a lot of people right now,” Faith said. “Some tough budgeting decisions are having to be made at kitchen tables across Ohio.”


Poverty rate increase 1999 to 2011

Hamilton: 13.4 / 20.9

Middletown: 12.6 / 23.2

Fairfield 4.2/8.7

Lebanon: 6.4/11.2

Mason 2.8/4.6

All figures percentages

Source: Ohio Poverty Report, Ohio Development Services Agency

Our performers combed through data in lengthy state poverty reports and spoke to officials throughout Butler and Warren counties to show how poverty has spread beyond urban areas, and to offer insight about how the infrastructure of poverty services is changing as the economy continues to struggle.

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Didn't Scott-Jones and Picard ask to be informed of any imformation received from HUD. So then, they had information and choose not to share it with council at the last meeting? Hmmmmmm
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Ya know, initially, I was going to suggest that we are getting to the point (actually long overdue) where there is a need to fire the city manager and her people. She is way out of control and has been given free reins to run the town as she (MMF) pleases for far too long. But after re-considering that line of thinking, I think we need to recall council as well as fire certain people in the city building. Afterall, they, and others before them, are responsible for approving the suggestions of others to ramp up the Section 8 voucher program numbers without ever considering the ramifications of the decision. Now, we are about to watch it hit the fan and are incuring even more cost with the hiring of legal attorneys to represent the city. The stupidity never ends with this crew. Guess old Leslie Landen will stay on the sidelines on this one, huh? Doesn't matter. He's inflicted enough damage to the city in his other decisions along the way. Is there no one in city government who is competent enough to make the correct decisions on behalf of the city? Is there no one on council who will strongly object to the constant barrage of idiocy that seems to permeate this city operation? Why do they sit there with nothing to say while the issues continue to grow? Why are they here and why do they even bother to show up at the meetings if they don't want to participate?
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Mr. Picard stated that night at the council meeting that he was very upset that Mr. Adkins had not notified council of the letter from HUD, He then stated that he considered this situation with HUD to be very serious. He then requested that Mr. Adkins notify council members as soon as possible of any letters or information received from HUD.

You can bet that Mr Picard must be livid with not being in the loop on this latest letter from HUD.


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But I wonder if Adkins has a "spin" for this,"like we were really busy dealing with HUD to tell you while, I was looking you in the face at the council meeting". I hope he and Scott-Jones has the ba__s to call him and Judy on it.JMO
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Posted: 7:00 p.m. Tuesday, July 9, 2013
MIDDLETOWN

HUD finds ‘deficiencies’ in Middletown’s action plan

By Michael D. Pitman

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MIDDLETOWN —

The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development has rejected Middletown’s plan to eliminate more than 1,000 subsidized housing vouchers — also known as Section 8 — over the next five years because the proposal failed to meet the federal agency’s statutory or regulatory requirements, officials said.

HUD informed the city of its decision in a June 13 letter that outlined five “substantive” deficiencies within the city’s five-year and annual plan. A recurring criticism of the plan from HUD was that the city had not done enough to consider the impact of the voucher reductions on low-income families with children, minorities and persons with disabilities or to fully justify their actions.

The federal housing agency made several recommendations about how city officials could address the identified deficiencies and gave them until mid-August (roughly 60 days) to make corrections and respond back.

The letter, which was presented to City Council members Tuesday, comes as HUD is preparing for a three-day visit to Middletown next week for a Civil Rights Compliance review of the city’s Section 8 program.
What...Ms Judy and Mr Adkins received the letter June 13 and it wasn't shared with City Council until July 9 

City Council and administrators have argued that Middletown has more low-income, subsidized housing per capita than any city in Ohio, and that it is putting a strain on city services and negatively impacting Middletown’s image and economic development efforts. Section 8 housing accounts for 14.3 percent of Middletown’s total housing stock. City officials proposed cut of 1,008 vouchers would bring that number closer to 10 percent, which they maintain is ideal.
All of this was covered by the 96 page report that City Hall sent to HUD several years ago. HUD stated then that the need was to great in the Middletown area for a reduction in Section 8 Vouchers.

Most council members interviewed Tuesday by The Journal said they weren’t surprised by HUD’s response and said they still support efforts to curb the number of Section 8 vouchers by 60 percent. But Councilman A.J. Smith, who has been a constant dissenting voice on the issue, said he still believes the city should stop the reduction attempt.
And who will be picking up the 250,000 to 500,000 dollars in attorney fees for the 2 legal action concerning HUD.
From what account will they be paid? Or maybe we can cut a few more fire or police.

“What I want to see is the (Middletown Public Housing Agency) is being run efficiently and effectively, and it’s serving those folks that it’s supposed to serve,” Smith said. “No more and no less; and that’s not what we are doing right now.”

Smith said he would rather have the Butler Metropolitan Housing Authority take over the city’s Section 8 program so it can give voucher holders more piece of mind, and city staff can focus its time on other things. The city’s 1,662 Section 8 vouchers is nearly double the combined number of Section 8 vouchers in Butler County.
I agree and I believe HUD will transfer the program to BMHA

In August 2012, HUD had a review of the city’s Section 8 program, and in September 2012, the agency asked the city for an action plan “given the extremely low leasing percentages and virtual absence of a waiting list.” The city only had 89.3 percent of its vouchers filled and the federal requirement was to have 95 percent of them filled.

HUD also wanted an action plan to address the city’s late and undocumented housing inspections.

The latter of the two plans requested was sent to HUD in December after it was approved by the Middletown Public Housing Agency, which consists of the seven-member City Council. HUD, which “disapproved” the five-year and annual plan, sent its response on June 13 citing the five deficiencies and suggested remedies to the city’s 6-page action plan.

The former of the two plans was submitted to HUD in October after the MPHA voted 6-1 to support the plan authored by Community Revitalization Director Doug Adkins. The plan states the city needs to eliminate more than 60 percent of its vouchers over the next five years, which was reflected in the five-year and annual plan.

HUD spokeswoman Donna White offered no comment beyond the June 13 letter saying, “At this point, the letter speaks for itself.”

City Manager Judy Gilleland said staff is working on a response “and will provide it in a timely manner.” She offered no comment specific to the letter.
The Section 8 Yearly Plan is from July 1 to June 30. The revised Section 8 Annual Action Plan will need to go before City Council next week and then you have the 30 day Public Hearing period that will end mid August so it can be sent to HUD before the deadline.

The June 13 letter from HUD “shows that we have some work to do” in making the city’s case for its stance, said Mayor Larry Mulligan.
Maybe you need to go back and read the 96 page report

“HUD has its mission to fulfill, which is certainly important, and we’re trying to focus on the needs of the Middletown community and all of our citizens and to strike that balance to support and sustain without crippling the entire city,” the mayor said. “It’s a careful balance and that’s a message we have to work with HUD to fully explain.”

Vice Mayor Dan Picard said he is “concerned” about the letter, but doesn’t regret the city’s direction in eliminating 1,008 vouchers.

“I am very concerned about what’s going on, the potential costs and it’s something we need to stay on top of,” he said. “I think we’re doing what we have to do, and I hope that we get to the point where we want to be, and I have confidence we can. I’m just concerned what it’s going to take to get there.”

The city’s costs in attempting to essentially give back Section 8 vouchers to HUD, Picard said, will be significant. Outside counsel has been retained to prepare for the Civil Rights Compliance review by HUD next week, and staff has spent countless hours in responding to HUD’s correspondence.
Yep this is just what we need..a few more lawyers on payroll so we can pick a fight with HUD

The city’s Section 8 program receives about $10 million from HUD, which is tied to the number of vouchers held by the city. Millions of dollars are paid to Section 8 landlords. Only a few hundred thousand dollars goes to the city, which is split with Nelson & Associates which manages the program.
Now we get to the real meat of this matter...the MONEY. Investors went out and purchased property in Middletown, invested more money to bring the property up to code and Section 8 standards. They purchased the majority of the material to upgrade the homes from local businesses and paid taxes on their property. Why shouldn't they make a ROI.?
Why are so many upset over these real estate investors who are using their own money but not with the million dollar give a way deals in the downtown area for friends of City Hall? Why didn't anyone demand that City Hall at least break even on the deals that they did downtown?  Hmmmm...tell me again how much money City Hall is loosing each year at WeatherWax? Maybe City Hall should hire a Section 8 Landlord so they can make a profit on this property Wink


UNMATCHED COVERAGE

The Middletown Journal has been the only consistent news agency covering the debate between the U.S. Housing and Urban Development and the city of Middletown about reducing 1,008 Section 8 vouchers.

PLAN DEFICIENCIES

The letter cities five “deficiencies” of the plan and have provided suggested remedies:

  • MPHA must examine its actions and its impact on families with children, minorities and persons with disabilities. Of the 1,662 vouchers, 675 are designated for the non-elderly disabled population and only 417 of those are issued. HUD is requesting records that outline actions taken by the city to further fair housing and any impediments the city have experienced.
  • The MPHA’s mission statement “does not adequately address” the mission for serving the needs of low income, very low income and extremely low income families for the next five years. Any mission statement must include how the city will service the needs of families that fall into these classifications during that time frame.
  • The MPHA’s goals and objectives do not address serving low income, very low income and extremely low income families over the next five years. The city needs to include how it will service the needs of the families during that time frame.
  • The city did not identify the housing needs of low income, very low income and extremely low income families, including the elderly, families with disabilities, households of various races and ethnic groups, and other families on the Section 8 waiting list. The city needs to provide that data.
  • Because housing needs were not identified, stating the “MPHA does not anticipate opening the waiting list due to be over leased and over budget authority” is not accurate. The city needs to provide a strategy to service the housing needs of the city.

Council reactions

Middletown City Council members react to the HUD letter that spells out five deficiencies with its five-year and annual plan, which outlines its intent to reduce 1,008 Section 8 Housing Choice vouchers from the MPHA program.

Mayor Larry Mulligan: “The bottom line is, it shows that we have some work to do yet to explain our case and our rationale for it. HUD has its mission to fulfill which is certainly important, and we’re trying to focus on the needs of the Middletown community and all of our citizens and to strike that balance to support and sustain without crippling the entire city.”

Councilwoman Anita Scott Jones: “I’m not surprised by anything that was in there (the letter). HUD has its job to do and I trust that if there is something that we need to do that (Community Revitalization Director) Doug (Adkins) and all of those involved will do it.”

Councilwoman Ann Mort: “It’s another step in the process. We are trying to work our way down that process and I’m sure not too many folks have asked to go in the other direction.”

Councilman A.J. Smith: “I’m not surprised. This is exactly what I anticipated, which is why I didn’t support it (in October).”

Vice Mayor Dan Picard: “I m very concerned about what’s going on, the potential costs and it’s something we need to stay on top of. I have no regrets at all (in MPHA’s decision). I think we’re doing what we have to do and I hope that we get to the point we want to be, and I have confidence we can. I’m just concerned what it’s going to take to get there.”

Council members Josh Laubach and Joe Mulligan could not be reached for comment.

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"City Council and administrators have argued that Middletown has more low-income, subsidized housing per capita than any city in Ohio, and that it is putting a strain on city services and negatively impacting Middletown’s image and economic development efforts. Section 8 housing accounts for 14.3 percent of Middletown’s total housing stock. City officials proposed cut of 1,008 vouchers would bring that number closer to 10 percent, which they maintain is ideal"

Oh, NOW they have realized what THEIR overabundance of Section 8, which THEY asked for, is doing to the city.......we have been talking about these issues for over a year now. Guess no one will accuse any council member of "thinking in the moment" will they. Create the dog pile....step right in it council. Good Lord!

"But Councilman A.J. Smith, who has been a constant dissenting voice on the issue, said he still believes the city should stop the reduction attempt"

“What I want to see is the (Middletown Public Housing Agency) is being run efficiently and effectively, and it’s serving those folks that it’s supposed to serve,” Smith said. “No more and no less; and that’s not what we are doing right now.”
Smith said he would rather have the Butler Metropolitan Housing Authority take over the city’s Section 8 program so it can give voucher holders more piece of mind, and city staff can focus its time on other things. The city’s 1,662 Section 8 vouchers is nearly double the combined number of Section 8 vouchers in Butler County"

NO SMITH. YOU JUST DON'T GET IT DO YOU. THE PRIMARY ISSUE HERE IS NOT HOW POORLY OR WELL RUN THE PROGRAM IS. THE PRIMARY ISSUE IS THE OVERSATURATION IN SHEER NUMBERS AND WHAT THAT OVERSATURATION IS DOING TO THE CITY. ANY NUMBER OVER 700 NEEDS TO LEAVE TOWN AND RELOCATE ELSEWHERE. IT IS A DAMAGING PROGRAM TO THE CITY DUE TO THE OVERPOPULATION CAUSED BY YOU AND THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS. REDUCE THE SIZE....LOWER THE NEGATIVE IMPACT. WE DON"T WANT TO MAKE IT TOO COMFORTABLE FOR THESE PEOPLE OR THEY'LL NEVER LEAVE THE PROGRAM AND LEARN TO STAND ON THEIR OWN TWO FEET. ARE YOU AN ADVOCATE FOR LIFETIME MEMBERSHIP ON THE TAXPAYER "SPONGE TRAIN" FOR THESE PEOPLE? MOST PEOPLE HAVE TO GO OUT AND "GET IT" THEMSELVES. SO SHOULD THESE PEOPLE AT SOME POINT IN THEIR LIVES. TOO MUCH LIBERALISM GIVE AWAY IN YOU SMITH. NOT ENOUGH "TOUGH LOVE" IMO.

"The June 13 letter from HUD “shows that we have some work to do” in making the city’s case for its stance, said Mayor Larry Mulligan"

“HUD has its mission to fulfill, which is certainly important, and we’re trying to focus on the needs of the Middletown community and all of our citizens and to strike that balance to support and sustain without crippling the entire city,” the mayor said. “It’s a careful balance and that’s a message we have to work with HUD to fully explain.”

MERCY, HOW DYNAMIC MAYOR. I FIND IT A TAD BIT IRONIC THAT MULLIGAN WOULD MENTION THE "NEEDS OF THE MIDDLETOWN COMMUNITY AND ALL OF OUR CITIZENS AND TO STRIKE THAT BALANCE TO SUPPORT AND SUSTAIN WITHOUT CRIPPLING THE ENTIRE CITY".....YA GOTTA BE KIDDING MULLIGAN. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU AND THE OTHERS HAVE DONE DURING YOUR TIME ON COUNCIL....IE CRIPPLE THE CITY. YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE WITH REGARD TO THIS STATEMENT. AND THOSE "NEEDS" YOU REFER TO....ONLY FOR A SELECT FEW.

Vice Mayor Dan Picard said he is “concerned” about the letter, but doesn’t regret the city’s direction in eliminating 1,008 vouchers.

“I am very concerned about what’s going on, the potential costs and it’s something we need to stay on top of,” he said. “I think we’re doing what we have to do, and I hope that we get to the point where we want to be, and I have confidence we can. I’m just concerned what it’s going to take to get there.”

YOU SHOULD BE CONCERNED DANNY BOY. YOU HELPED CREATE THIS MESS BY APPROVING THE PROGRAM. NICE GENERALIZED STATEMENT SAYING NOTHING BY THE WAY.

The city’s Section 8 program receives about $10 million from HUD, which is tied to the number of vouchers held by the city. Millions of dollars are paid to Section 8 landlords. Only a few hundred thousand dollars goes to the city, which is split with Nelson & Associates which manages the program

WAS ALL OF THIS COST, TROUBLE, POTENTIAL LEGAL ISSUES AND CORRESPONDENCE WITH HUD REALLY WORTH THE FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND TO THE CITY? AND, TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY, THE CITY HAS THE SPLIT THE LEFTOVERS WITH NELSON AND ASSOCIATES LEAVING WHAT, A HUNDRED THOUSAND AT MOST? INSANITY
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well the ding dongs that allowed all of this to begin with showed that the need was there to suck up all that $$$$, now that they done what they did its kinda like you made your bed now sleep in it.. all the city is going to do when hud get here is show them how stupid they are and take it all away and give control to bulter county, and I would also guess that they are in some deep doo doo with hud over their management of this program..  Mulligan says  without crippling the entire city.” hey ya you all done did this!! DING DONG.. Ann Mort says It’s another step in the process. We are trying to work our way down that process and I’m sure not too many folks have asked to go in the other direction.” WOW DING DONG!! Dan Picard: says  “I m very concerned about what’s going on, the potential costs and it’s something we need to stay on top ofLOL only thing he's on top of is his golf ball. I have no regrets at all (in MPHA’s decision)  yep the cost $$$$$$ of fighting HUD we know you lawyers know how to suck up funds in a losing battle.... DING DONG!!!!  I can see them all ducking under their desk when hud drops the hammer on-emLOL or maybe if the city staff takes them out for a movie everything will just be dandy...
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Too bad we cant hold those responsible accountable for this mess, but I'm sure most of them have left town by now.

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