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    Posted: Aug 04 2010 at 8:36am
...what I REALLY think:
 
While we were told by Mr. Robinette that an “extensive amount of demographics research” was done, but he couldn’t really cite anything specific. Forgive me for being blunt, but that sounds like “economic development-speak” for “I’m making it up!”

I’ve done an “extensive amount of research” and I can actually cite some facts and figures, and some REAL questions to ask!

1. According to both Map-Quest and Google Maps, The PAC-Cinci is about ¼ mile from an exit from I-71, and well under a mile from an exit from I-75. PAC-scam (here in Middletown) is over FIVE miles from the nearest interstate exit. Reasonable people should be able to understand why this makes a difference. This difference is overlooked EVERY TIME an example is held up of a “downtown turnaround” and it really is getting old. When I-26 eastbound ends, it dumps into downtown Charleston, yet we were expected to overlook this a few years ago when Charleston was held up as an example of an “Olde Tyme” turnaround. Stop treating us as if WE were the stupid ones.

Lack of direct access off an interstate is a darn big handicap for our former downtown. If you are too dense to understand that, go somewhere else and screw that place up.

2. The Middletown Journal article stated that PAC-Cinci is “filled with hundreds of studios accommodating some 400 artists.” City Attorney Landen stated that PAC-Cinci has about “250 artists and has a waiting list” and that some of those on the waiting list may be accommodated in Middletown. The FACT is that if one counts the “entities” on the “Artist Directory” of PAC-Cinci’s own website, only about 157 entities are listed. If one counts the “entities” on the “Artists Roster” of the PAC-Cinci website, one finds about 152. Who knows what the truth is, but one would think that City Council might ask Messrs. Landen and Robinette to explain this away before throwing our money away!  PS: Some of the "entities" are: Woman's Art Club (No jobs), and a car wash (low-paying jobs).

3. One can use both Map-Quest and Google Maps to find restaurants near PAC-Cinci, and there are no more than THREE found within ¼ mile of PAC-Cinci. One-quarter mile from 7 N. Broad St. takes one well outside the “core” downtown Middletown area, and there are already restaurants within this range.

Can we realistically expect PAC-scam to generate MORE restaurants here than the much larger PAC-Cinci (along with the rest of DOWNTOWN Cincinnati) has in TWENTY YEARS down there? Can anyone who keeps talking about the restaurants that PAC-Cinci has generated actually NAME any (other than: Nicola’s, Deli on 12th, Vinyl, and possibly the lunch counter at the Greyhound bus station) that Google and Map-Quest might have missed within ¼ mile?

4. We keep hearing about Over-the-Rhine, and I am no expert on the exact borders of Cincinnati neighborhoods, but I don’t recall the area of PAC-Cinci as being Over-the-Rhine. Isn’t OtR actually significantly to the west-northwest? In fact, you really can’t get much farther away from OtR in eastern downtown Cincinnati without crossing I-71 into the artsy Mt. Adams area, can you? If any of you aren’t really sure where Over-the-Rhine is, I’ll be pleased to take you there and drop you off. I think that you’ll then understand the difference.

So, lets stop playing games. If council wants to give away another half million of our hard-earned taxpayers’ dollars for some reason, by all means, go right ahead and do it!! But stop with the games and acting like your trying to do what’s best when no one has even asked a reasonable question, and everything that has been said so far has been pretty much made-up gobbledy-gook BS!!

“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Plus, PAC-scam is rumored to already include plans for a frame shop and a coffee shop (and we taxpayers will likely pay for the physical plant for these items under the terms of the missing Exhibits B & C).
 
Let's face it, you bureaucrats, even IF we get 25 artists, how many MORE frame shops and coffee shops do you expect US to believe will be warranted???
 
And where ARE these mysterious missing exhibits and what surprises will you spring on us in two weeks with them???Angry
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Over-the-Rhine boundaries.  Hmmmmmmmm PAC Cinci appears to be 4-5 City Blocks out of the OTR.
 
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Originally posted by wasteful wasteful wrote:

Over-the-Rhine boundaries.  Hmmmmmmmm PAC Cinci appears to be 4-5 City Blocks out of the OTR.
 
Yes, and I believe there is a POLICE STATION in between!!!
Also, the LOWER end of OtR has undergone quite a bit of renewal, but it was NOT due to PAC-Cinci!!!
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote wasteful Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Aug 04 2010 at 9:32am
Hmmmmm I wonder if go old Les let his fingers do the research when he spoke about a waiting list at the PAC in Cinci.  This article states: "Now the Pendleton Art Center has become so popular that there is a waiting list of around 50 artists who are pining to get studio space."
 
The only problem with this article is that it was written in March of 2003.
 
I love the title of the article:  "Jim Verdin: The Way Capitalism Ought to Be."
 
Yes Sir Jim, you get the taxpayer to foot the bill.
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Mike
I think we are back to the “Build it and they will come” plan

Didn’t the City request a business plan or numbers of any kind from Mr. Verdin before they gave him $450,000 of OUR TAX MONEY?
What is the amount Mr. Verdin will receive for each artist space?
How many artists have a pending lease agreement in the
Middletown
location? (Wouldn’t ya need to know that so you could pay the Duke bill for this large space this winter?)

….And did you notice that the City did NOT tell us how much money they have ALREADY SPENT getting this building ready for Mr. Verdin.


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City Council:
 
What has ANYONE told you that would make you want to invest YOUR OWN MONEY in this fiasco??  Whatever it might be, it has NOT been made public, so SHARE IT WITH US!!
 
However, if this screwball deal is too risky for YOU to invest YOUR OWN PERSONAL FUNDS, how DARE YOU violate the public trust and WASTE the PEOPLE'S treasure???
 
There are seven of you...some wealthy, some not.  I challenge you to fund this YOURSELVES!!!  I BEG YOU!!!
 
YOU SEVEN can HAVE the riches to be gained!!!  Raise the funds and YOU SEVEN bankroll this deal!!!  PLEASE!! I beg of you!!!  Borrow the money from the Mayor's bank!!!  Pledge YOUR honor and treasure, not that of our children's children.  Not again!  Not the same old scheme again!!  Invest YOUR own money!  Risk YOUR OWN futures.
 
Just this once, PLEASE, deal us OUT!!!
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Perhaps I did miss one restaurant???
"there is a restaurant where you can have a great meal before the evening right across the street called The Pendleton Cafe."
"there is a fine coffee house/restaurant called The Pendleton Cafe across the street from the Art Center which serves the artists and Final Friday crowd."
 However, this establishment, lauded so lavishly as above in 2003, must now be doing so fantastically that they seem to have changed to an UNlisted telephone number!!!
 
Talk about yer snooty, artsy fartsy hangouts!!!  Is this possible???  A restaurant with an unlisted phone number???  Or could it be that all is not well in Emerald City???  Maybe Dorothy actually DID "go home!"
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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