A look back

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A different Council, a different City Manager, a different expensive risky scheme, but the rhetoric is the same:

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Mike_Presta Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mike_Presta Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: A look back Posted: Dec 29 2011 at 4:59pm
	A different Council, a different City Manager, a different expensive risky scheme, but the rhetoric is the same:
	“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012

VietVet Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008	Post Options Post Reply Quote VietVet Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Dec 29 2011 at 8:08pm
	A situation of irony Mike....... the fact that you have posted an excerpt about the pie-in-the-sky promises concerning the City Centre Mall here, (could have also included the Bicentennial Commons and Lake Middletown fiascos), and could perhaps be doing the very same thing in years to come concerning the Pendleton Art Center, Cincinnati State and whatever the MMF'ers have cooking with the Sorg Opera House, the Manchester, etc. One thing remains a constant.... 30 to 40 years ago, they wasted city, state and fed money on these white elephant projects and here in 2011, nothing has changed throwing money down the drain. I like the rhetoric under the title "The Mart- not just another mall" Very amusing. Typical crap from the city people since the 70's. All talk. Only failures for results. Is this city capable of attracting anyone who is competent enough to create success in any city venture or are we stuck with people with nothing but failures on their resumes? It seems the last time we had any real measurable, usable venture was when they put the boulevard systems (Breile, University, Reinartz, Roosevelt) in to make it easier to get from one side of town to the other. That was Klosterman and that was the 60's-70's, wasn't it? What have we had since then that hasn't gone bust, the Towne Mall area? (minus the actual Mall, of course) Credit should go to Franklin Twp. on that development anyway, shouldn't it? Middletown just stole it from them, didn't they?

Mike_Presta Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List MUSA Council Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mike_Presta Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Dec 30 2011 at 7:20am
	Who knows what these people at City Hall are thinking, Vet. Yesterday we got a form from the City of Middletown telling us that we wouldn't be getting a form from the City of Middletown!!! (Honest!!!)
	“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012

rngrmed Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List MUSA Citizen Joined: May 06 2009 Location: Middletown Status: Offline Points: 309	Post Options Post Reply Quote rngrmed Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Dec 30 2011 at 7:53am
	But yet the same ones are elected over and over again. Who is profiting from these projects?

Vivian Moon Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187	Post Options Post Reply Quote Vivian Moon Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Dec 30 2011 at 10:46am
	I think we need to “Look Back” at what didn’t happen in Middletown…… Hydraulic Canal – After fighting with the city for 8 years Ms Judy promised Gary Barge that in 2011 she would allocate $200,000 to start work on the cleanup of Hydraulic Canal. Towne Mall – Still no action on this ghost mall as you enter our city. All we need now to complete this picture is tumbleweed rolling across the parking lot. Middletown Cemetery – After 7 years the Vault at Middletown Cemetery still not completed. (35,000 needed) CSX Dump Site – We are told that the revitalization of the downtown area was a priority of the city. Why after 7 years of requesting this site be cleaned up has nothing been done? Duncan Oil – After the big land swap deal and a two block area of businesses demoed where is the Mini Mart that was going to be built. Now we have an empty weeded lot with a For Sale sign on it. Separation of Sewer – No plans for the separation of our sewer system. Still no answers to where all the funds that were collected over the years have been spent. Repair of Streets – No plan or extra funds have been allocated from the General Fund to the repair of our street. Still no answers to where all the funds that were collected over the years have been spent. Yep they just keep kicking these problems down the road while they continue to dump millions of our tax dollars into the THEIR DOWNTOWN PROJECT. How many jobs did they create last year with their investment downtown? How many jobs will they create downtown over the next 12 months with this investment?

acclaro Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1878	Post Options Post Reply Quote acclaro Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Dec 30 2011 at 1:38pm
	The mistakes of the city of Middletown go back 50 years. Thanks for the picture Mike. I recall taking my young children then, to the Mall on a few occasions, seeing it empty, and a man driving back and forth in a golf cart. There was never more than 4 people shopping at any point in time. The same people who are Main Street did not spend enough to keep the Mart open, but are expected to do so at PAC, Cincinnati State (their children are adults), and UDF? No, the storyline stays the same, different actors. Don't think either the Mart nor CBL Town Mall ever broke national retail records for $ generated per square foot.