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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote .308 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun 23 2008 at 9:48am
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Incredible!! Journal story- June 24- City Council didn't know that the Voucher program had increased from 2.47 mils to 9.64 mils in eight years. Didn't know that some city staff members were applying for additional vouchers that eventually increased the Section 8 program to the overabundance of housing that we have today. Wouldn't the city finance people have noticed this increase and brought it to someone's attention? Wasn't someone representing the city, monitoring this program over these eight years and reporting to council the status? Didn't Council, when reviewing the budget/services/costs for the city notice this?What are they doing in that big building downtown?Asleep at the wheel, are they? If they don't audit now, this is the time to develop an audit program, at least every other year, to examine the details of each department within the city government as to manpower, costs and programs within each department for feasibility/application/performance of all programs/personnel. Schiavone, 15 year veteran of Council, had no clue that this was occurring. Apparently, all of the other councilmembers were clueless also. Hum, awareness-wonder what's going on in this city- perhaps the city leaders could learn what it means and practice it. That would be something new from city leaders!The story didn't mention what the city plans to do to REDUCE the number of vouchers and lessen Section 8 in Middletown.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pacman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun 24 2008 at 8:27am
The question is where was Mr. Becker when he was City Manager, surly he was aware of this and did absolutely nothing about it.  He did nothing to improve the situation, nothing to inform Council of the situation and has no comment today from what I have seen.
 
It would appear that the employees were running the asylum with little guidance or direction  from Administration or Council. 
 
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All that is necessary for section 8 housing to triumph disproportionately in Middletown is that good council members to do nothing - Edmund 308 Burk

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I like the caliber of your remarks!
 
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Look for section 8 to remain as is.

The increases were signed off within the city(possibly by Mr.Koehler?) with Council probably not paying attention or being propely notified(as noted by Mr. Schiavone's comments at the last Council meeting).

I doubt the streets levy will be approved for the ballot next week,. I predicyt that it will go down by a 4-3 or 5-2 vote. I only see two strong supporters(can u guess which two?).
Another waste of vital time and committees. Besides, they should have been devising a complete long-term repair plan INSTEAD of deciding millage. So--what happens to the stretts now? We are still paying taxes for proper maintenence, just not recieving same.
 
Last time I was here. gremlins were scrambling this place similar to the MJ site. I notice posts that disappeared back then never returned. Was this place censored by ownership?
I can't even log in to the MJ site any more.
 
Were the last school testing results ever published?
Thery weren't very good--and we are now off(below) continued improvement.
Our last football coach was hired away by a high-profile program, but not b4 causing our franchise qb to be declared ineligible for the up-coming season. Former coach Johnson also has us starting vs.Elder at Nippert, then an Indianapolis team at Paul Brown Stadium.
Why does our qb get sanctioned, but the coach who manipulated the whole process get off free? And what about Mr.Lebo(AD)?
 
I think that I will disappear from the current web options to continue the revolution from the underground. They have the guns, but we have the numbers. We will win out eventually. 18 months until the next local elections. Hopefully young idealistic residents will step forward to change the guard. Recruitment must begin now. Unity must be restored. We can't continue to be such a divided, un-trusting community.
 
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Mr.B--thanks 4 the opportunity!
 
 
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Spider,

 

The "Gremlins" AKA the Chinese, are being kept at bay though we still receive hundreds of attempts per day to hack the site. Any missing posts were the unfortunate result of data loss that could not be recovered with the latest backup.

 

We have an in-house IT staff including programmers who have done a great job at reducing the damage these hacks have caused and keeping the site online. Larger companies often outsource such services and may be too involved with other issues to react as fast as we have been able to.

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I have to agree with you on Section 8.  Current Council or at least the majority of them have no vision of improvement just the status quo and everyone else sit down and shutup.  As far as who increased Section 8 my money was on Koehler all along just didn't know for sure.  Personally I would have fired Koehler long ago, he also is stuck in reverse and has way to much power and does not always use it to the advantage of the city as a whole.
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Didn't Mr. Kohler work for HUD or Metro Housing in Cincinnati before he came to Middletown?
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Another possible benefit of drastically reducing Section 8 housing is that the City can reassign the Police Officer that they have assigned to HUD for the Projects.
 
From The Middletown City Web Site:
 
"One Community Resource Officer Assigned to HUD - works closely with HUD to deal with special problems associated with our housing projects."
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Looks like Middletown is going to remain the Section 8 Capital of Butler County with the Section 8 Status Quo staying the same thanks to Council.  This will continue to cost taxpayers  $600,000.00 to 800,000.00 per year, plus a negative that won't go away in its economic recovery and improving it image regionally.  And you wonder why nothing changes in this City.
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This program should be transferred out of the City as the City Manager recommends.  Council in particular Marconi should let this go.  Taking away the title of being the Section 8 Capital of Butler County is a good start.  City Council please heed what the City Manager is recommending.
 
From the City Managers Report
 
"Section 8    
As we reported at the Housing Committee, our consultant is working through the information received on Section 8.  My first recommendation is still to streamline the city organization, get back to basics and transfer the voucher administration to an agency that is equipped to deal with the program.  

Since that met with some resistance, we are doing more research on the city maintaining the administration, setting up a housing board who will report to council, create policy and keep strict tabs on the program.  We are also examining our current management company and other options there.   Hopefully we will have a report in the next month from the consultant and be able to present options to council in the next two months."

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I asked City Manager Gilleland:

Is there any chance we can reduce the amount of Section 8 Housing?
Is there any option for the county to take this program over to reduce our costs?

Here is her answer:
Hi John, we are most likely going to continue with a contractor, but put some extreme measures in place – if the budget works out, the city will take over criminal checks, housing inspections, so that will help a lot. Further, we will make the contract on a flat rate rather than number of units, so that we can set the stage for reduction of units if the policy board – which will be put in place also, something we’ve not had in the past – so decides to reduce the number. We will have more answers when we receive bids for the services as we’ve outlined them. Thanks, Judy
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In otherwords nothing will be changing.  Middletown will continue to be the Mecca for Low Income families to move to because they have a better chance of getting a Section 8 Voucher here than in the County. 
 
We are going to add another layer government in the form of Inspections for housing and another duty for the Police and Courts to perform when we can't even afford to fill a hole in the ground. 
 
Then we have another Committee or Policy board.  Yeah we need that.   We already have a Housing Committee, with a Citizens Housing Committee inside of that.  More red tape to accomplish nothing.
 
So much for any type of Improvement to Middletown.  No wonder we are looked down upon by a significant portion of Butler County.  The decisions made by the Clueless City Council is astounding.  While the rest of the County moves forward we go in reverse, to the glee of the rest of the County, because if it stays in Middletown they don't have to deal with it.Angry
 
 
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PacMan.. Looks this would be another great spot for that video on "The world that works, and the world that fails". Give it a try.. lol
 
 
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Arwendt I don't think they would understand the point it was trying to make.  Unfortunately for Middletown......improvement is not in their vocabulary.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote spiderjohn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Oct 21 2008 at 3:49pm
Pacman is right on.
We don't need this, or the inspections/supervision.
Besides,Obama will create another layer of bureocracy to look after this segment of society anyway.
 
Maybe in another year after we elect new Council ward reps, we can cut back on this situation.
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