Doug Adkins
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Topic: Doug Adkins
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Subject: Doug Adkins
Date Posted: May 13 2014 at 4:36pm
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Posted: Adkins: ‘Many critical issues’ face city
By http://www.journal-news.com/staff/rick-mccrabb/" rel="nofollow - Staff Writer MIDDLETOWN — Earlier
this year, Doug Adkins, who has served as the city’s community revitalization
manager since 2009, was a finalist for the city manager position in Vandalia,
where he once was a council member and vice mayor. He wasn’t offered that job, but now he’s a
finalist for the city manager job in While Adkins said unemployment is down in
the city, abandoned and blighted homes are being demolished, employers are
investing millions of dollars, and several businesses and educational entities
are operating downtown — all “good things going on in the city” — he said there
are still “many critical issues” that need to be resolved. Among them, he said, the city’s public
safety system is “unsustainable,” and it must be “completely reimagined” to
reflect today’s problems, today’s work force and today’s revenues. He said the
city must “effectively respond” to public safety issues with the tax dollars
available. Also, he said, the city needs to
established “a well-defined economic development plan.” He described Another important aspect for the city will
be the development of the city’s “If we develop poorly, we are stuck with
those structures for the next 50 years or so,” he said. “We should take our
time and ensure that we are smart in our development standards without stifling
opportunities.” The city, he said, must continue to focus
on redeveloping its work force to be properly educated and skilled to work in
21st century jobs. He said In 2009, to address the immediate housing
crisis, the city built a five-year plan that attempted to stabilize “at risk”
neighborhoods by improving code enforcement and demolishing blighted housing,
Adkins said. This year, he said, the city will draft a
new five-year plan, and it’s “critical” the city finish the neighborhoods that
have been started and circle back and extensively work on the deteriorated
neighborhoods over the next five years. He said the city’s vacant retail property
cannot thrive until there are people reoccupying vacant housing, people moving
to the city and building new construction homes, and people utilizing the new
housing coming to downtown over the next several years. The other four finalists are: Cathy
Davison, former city manager, City manager Judy Gilleland announced her
retirement earlier this year and her last day is set for June 6, though she may
stay longer to make the transition easier. The city received 29 applicants for
the position and the field was narrowed to five, said Noah Powers, the city’s
human resource manager. All five candidates will participate in interviews
Friday and Saturday with members of the community and City Council. The
public portion of the forum will be from All
this week the Journal-News is profiling the five candidates for the city
manager position. Here are the days those profiles will appear in the newspaper
and online: TUESDAY: http://www.journal-news.com/news/news/local/city-manager-candidates-sees-opportunities-here/nfthY/" rel="nofollow - TODAY:
Doug Adkins THURSDAY:
Jane Howington FRIDAY:
Les Landen SATURDAY:
Willie Norfleet
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Posted By: over the hill
Date Posted: May 13 2014 at 9:24pm
| Wow I didn't know Judy G. Was a ghost wrighter. Every thing Doug said sounds like it came right out of Judy's mouth. It sounds like business as usual nothing new here. IMO |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: May 14 2014 at 6:38am
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"Earlier this year, Doug Adkins, who has served as the city’s community revitalization manager since 2009, was a finalist for the city manager position in Vandalia, where he once was a council member and vice mayor. He wasn’t offered that job," ONE OF "VANDALIA'S OWN" BUT WASN'T OFFERED THE JOB. THAT COULD MEAN THAT THEY FOUND SOMEONE MORE QUALIFIED, OR IT COULD MEAN THEY SAW HIM IN THE COUNCIL AND VICE MAYOR ROLES, DIDN'T LIKE HOW HE OPERATED, AND, PERHAPS, HOPED THAT HE WOULD LEAVE TOWN. (DITTO ON THE LEAVING TOWN THING ADKINS) "While Adkins said unemployment is down in the city".... UNEMPLOYMENT IS DOWN AND, LIKE THE NATIONAL SCENE, THERE ARE STILL THOUSANDS UNEMPLOYED BUT ARE NO LONGER COUNTED AS THEY HAVE GIVEN UP LOOKING FOR MEANINGFUL EMPLOYMENT. THE NUMBERS REPORTED NEVER PAINT THE TRUE PICTURE, HERE OR ON THE EVENING NEWS. "employers are investing millions of dollars" OCCASIONAL HIT AND MISS INVESTING. IT ISN'T LIKE THE MONEY IS FLOWING IN ABUNDANCE. "several businesses and educational entities are operating downtown" CINCY STATE IS ON STAGNATION STATUS WITH NO EYE-OPENING GROWTH AS WAS ONCE THOUGHT. BUSINESSES GO OUT AS QUICKLY AS THEY START UP DOWNTOWN...I SEE A STALEMATE SITUATION IN THE "LAND OF PLENTY" DOWNTOWN. ANOTHER CITY OFFICIAL WHO IS SEEING SOMETHING THAT ISN'T REALLY THERE. "the city’s public safety system is “unsustainable,” and it must be “completely reimagined” to reflect today’s problems" WELL DOUGGIE, YOUR PALS AT CITY HALL FANNED THE FLAMES AND BROUGHT THE LOW LIFE CRIME AND RESIDUAL DRUGGIES TO TOWN IN NUMBERS, STRAINING THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPTS. YOU CREATED THE MESS. NOW, YOU AND YOUR BUDS WANT TO COMPLAIN THAT IT'S A STRAIN ON SERVICES. "he said, the city needs to established “a well-defined economic development plan.” He described Middletown as an older, effectively landlocked city that must carefully review its options. That includes filling vacant industrial land with job opportunities, and the redevelopment of existing vacant buildings for today’s business requirements," AK STARTED GOING DOWN THE TOILET THREE DECADES AGO. THE PAPER INDUSTRY LEFT DECADES AGO. ALL MEANINGFUL EMPLOYMENT LEFT DECADES AGO......AND THIS AND PAST CITY ADMINISTRATIONS SAT ON THEIR HANDS AND DID NOTHING OTHER THAN TO BRING CASHIER/SERVICE INDUSTRY LOW WAGE/NO OPPORTUNITY JOBS HERE TO REPLACE THEM. HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE FOR A (ANY) CITY ADMIN. TO "ESTABLISH A WELL-DEFINED ECONOMIC DEVELOPEMENT PLAN"? DECADES, AND MANY CITY ECON PEOPLE LATER, IT STILL HASN'T BEEN DONE. WHY NOT? “If we develop poorly, we are stuck with those structures for the next 50 years or so,” he said. “We should take our time and ensure that we are smart in our development standards without stifling opportunities.” OH, YOU ALL ARE TAKING YOUR TIME ALRIGHT....NOTHING WORTHWHILE FOR DECADES. YOU ALL DON'T KNOW HOW TO DEVELOP. NO ONE SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT THIS TOWN NEEDS, TARGET THOSE NEEDS AND PURSUE A SUCCESSFUL END TO THOSE NEEDS. GAMEPLANS OVER THE YEARS....ALL TALK, NO ACTION. JUST CITIZEN PASSIFICATION GIVING FALSE HOPE. In 2009, to address the immediate housing crisis, the city built a five-year plan that attempted to stabilize “at risk” neighborhoods by improving code enforcement and demolishing blighted housing, Adkins said YOU WON'T GET STABILIZED NEIGHBORHOODS WITH A TRANSIENT SITUATION. THE CITY HAS TOO MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE DEPENDENT ON SOCIAL PROGRAMS AND HOUSING. THEY WILL MOVE WHERE THE NEXT HANDOUT WILL BE IF THE MIDDLETOWN HANDOUT DRIES UP. THE HOUSING IS PRIMARILY IN THESE "AT RISK" NEIGHBORHOODS THAT YOU WANT TO STABILIZE. THE PEOPLE WHO WANT A BETTER LIFE AND ARE STABLE WANT OUT OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS. YOU CAN ENFORCE THE CODES AND KNOCK DOWN ALL THE HOUSES YOU WANT, BUT YOU STILL HAVE DRUGS AND INCREASED CRIME IN THESE AREAS. IT WON'T DO ANY GOOD IF YOU IMPROVE THE LANDSCAPE IF YOU RETAIN THE SAME TYPE OF PEOPLE WHEN YOU'RE DONE. KEEPING THE GOOD PEOPLE AND CREATING BETTER CLIENTELE CONSISTING OF PEOPLE WHO CARE WILL CHANGE THINGS. "He said the city’s vacant retail property cannot thrive until there are people (WHO CARE) reoccupying vacant housing" "people (WHO CARE) moving to the city and building new construction homes, and people (WHO CARE) utilizing the new housing coming to downtown over the next several years" IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO ATTRACT DECENT PEOPLE TO THIS CITY IF YOU CONTINUALLY PUT OUT THE WELCOME MAT FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT HANDOUTS, WON'T WORK, DON'T CARE ABOUT THEIR PROPERTY OR THEMSELVES AND STRIVE FOR THE LOWEST RUNG ON THE LADDER. MORE OF THE SAME FROM ADKINS. HE IS NOT A GOOD CHOICE TO RUN THIS CITY. FOCUS IS TOO NARROW IN NATURE. ------------- I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over. |
Posted By: over the hill
Date Posted: May 14 2014 at 7:43am
| I don't know why he and Landen are even on the short list it's clear neither of them are qualified for the position. Neither has any administrative experience. Adkins community revitalization isn't the same thing. IMO |
Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: May 14 2014 at 9:36am
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Neither Messers Adkins or Landen have budget experienece greater than a few hundred thousand to a few $ Mm. Neither have span of control experience greater than 2-5 employees. Neither have turned a city or entity around. Neither are innovators. Neither are known for collaboration building. Neither would be a finalist in a city manager outside Middletown or another city they were born, or resided, in my opinion. I see a weak field for what Middletown needs. Drop the city manager search, and hire a full time Mayor who is a rainmaker and an image creator. Oversight and budget cutting is the easiest task in the world. Building and growing is the most difficult. Hire smart. ------------- 'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill |
Posted By: Perplexed
Date Posted: May 14 2014 at 10:30am
| He's a community revitalization innovator? Take a look at the vacant lot next to Vivian Moon's home on the 400 block of Waite Street. This neighborhood innovator demolished a home formerly on this lot only to have three foot high weeds in its' place for some time now! The list of tall grass and weed infested vacant lots in the city continues to increase! Do you think that a community revitalization innovator is qualified to be Middletown's next city manager????? |
Posted By: Perplexed
Date Posted: May 14 2014 at 10:37am
| 500 block of Waite Street............not 400 block. |
Posted By: swohio75
Date Posted: May 14 2014 at 11:11am
What difference does the position's title make, and isn't a Mayor typically elected not "hired." |
acclaro wrote:Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: May 14 2014 at 11:37am
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Not always on elected....in larger cities, or mid size, around 50,000, a Mayor is full-time, and is very aggressive in partnership building, bringing in new business, and brand/ image creation. Middletown doesn't need a city manager....or if so, it should be a blend of an administrator and economic development executive. That is the role a Mayor plays in a city which is full-time. Middletown relies too heavily on city council members for show, that meet twice a month, get little income, and generally use the position for their own whims and publicity. Its highly ineffective. They are figureheads that really have limited to no impact, and because they meet only twice a month, its a concept more suited for a small village, a Waynesville, Morrow, not a city of 50,000. A city manager usually grew up in progression, served as an assistant city manager, no span of control, no direct oversight, filling in when the city manager was on vacation. Ms. Gilleland had about 3 years of total city manager experience before she was hired in Middletown. A full-time Mayor is flamboyant, driven, and generally serves as a catalyst. The last attribute Middletown needs is an oversight manager. It needs a turbo charged rainmaker, who drives results, brings in business and residents. That hasn't existed in over two generations in my opinion. ------------- 'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill |
Posted By: swohio75
Date Posted: May 14 2014 at 1:42pm
Then the title is just semantics. The really nuts and bolts comes down to the job description and evaluation criteria. Cities like Dayton, Detroit and Cincinnati have full-time paid, elected mayors and full-time paid city managers. |
Posted By: over the hill
Date Posted: May 14 2014 at 2:11pm
| You have to remember our city doesn't have the money we are going broke they tell us, but find money somewhere when it suits them. |
Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: May 14 2014 at 2:39pm
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swOH75, yes, more on semantics, a hybrid type responsibility. Middletown doesn't need a ceremonial mayor, which is a glorified city council member, but a full-time mayor type, or mayor in title, that accepts more economic development responsibility, image building, along the lines of the role the city manager of Hamilton has. This may be the type of hybrid Ken Cohen was referring, what I call an X Boxer, thinker out of the box. Heavy economic background combined with leadership, and financial acumen. I see outsourcing, smart-sourcing playing a critical role going forward. That may have been Mr. Adkins reference to "re-imagining" future roles, contract employees, outsourcing functionality. You bring up a good point; perhaps the city should be redefining its job description before evaluating and making a hire for a run of the mill city manager based upon the past, not future. ------------- 'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill |
Posted By: processor
Date Posted: May 14 2014 at 3:27pm
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Acclaro, If you want someone who is "flamboyant, driven, and generally serves as a catalyst" Rob Ford from Toronto is probably available. He is all those things and more! Plus he has Mayor experience! In all seriousness, Doug Akins' answers to the questions sound like answers a manager would give. I agree with Cohen and Paul Nagy that we don't need a manager...we need a rainmaker and a leader. We don't need to just get more efficient, we need a different approach. We also need someone to make wholesale changes at city hall and an "inside" person typically won't do that because these are the people he's worked with for years. |
Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: May 14 2014 at 3:32pm
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Completely agree processor.
------------- 'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: May 14 2014 at 4:20pm
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Also, he
said, the city needs to established “a well-defined economic development plan.”
He described I thought we had a well defined 5 years plan..and how has that worked out for us? I can tell you it has been an absolute disaster. You received 1.45 million dollars in assets for a little over $500,000 and you haven’t even been able to break even on the deals. City property with a value of over $5,000 was not placed up for bid as required by law but was given away. Property all over the City needs to be placed in the hands of local real estate agents to sell to replenish the coffers. And now Mr. Adkins we are going to discuss your action concerning the Bank One Deal. This alone disqualify you from becoming the next City Manager. I and Mr. William Barntiz Oglesby, grandson of man that built this bank contacted your office on numerous occasions ov er the past several years about purchasing this bank building. You told us both that the bank building was NOT FOR You then decided to put the deal before City Council…as emergency legislation, …using Landen Law, that’s the law that you can make up as ya go along…that you did not know the true value of…and sell it at a bargain basement price. And then you stood before council and stated you had not received any other bids on this property…when in fact you had received two higher bids from Mr. Robinett. Mr. Adkins, in all of my 72 years, I have never witnessed such unprofessional, unethical behavior and such blatant disregard for the rule of law, in a city meeting. as I did that evening. These are NOT the qualities that I want in a City Manager, nor in the current position that you now hold. |
Posted By: over the hill
Date Posted: May 14 2014 at 4:31pm
| Yes, yes, Vivian! I concur,,, |
Posted By: swohio75
Date Posted: May 14 2014 at 4:37pm
So you'd prefer someone with a background as a CEO? |
Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: May 14 2014 at 7:23pm
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Yes....private sector. For Middletown, not a requirement for existing 'stable' municipalities swOH75 Restructuring/ reengineering/ outsourcing experience a +. ------------- 'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill |
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: May 15 2014 at 4:00am
That's exactly what is wrong with our city right now!! Too many things have been "imagined" to be factual!!! We do NOT need things to be "REIMAGINED"!!! We need city officials who will face FACTS...who will look at thing REALISTICALLY... and will allow our city an opportunity to PROSPER instead of stifling its growth and condemning its future to failure by their warped, unrealistic, completely "IMAGINED" view of our city!!! We cannot solve our problems until we first admit they exist. We cannot move forward until we first understand and realize where we are and with what we have to work. Our future is doomed unless we first accept our present reality!!! We MUST stop "IMAGINING" our current situation if we ever want to improve it!!! His "reimagining" statement alone disqualifies Mr. Adkins from further consideration as Middletown's City Manager!!! That is my opinion and I am entitled to it!!!
------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: May 15 2014 at 4:27am
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By the way, Mayor Mulligan AGREES with me!!! He stated in January of 2012, regarding many thing in Middletown, that he "doesn't believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” Well, we (the taxpayers) have "invested" millions of dollars into the "arts, antiques, and olde tyme downe towne Middletown failed risky scheme!!! What "return on investment" have we gotten for it??? The only returns we have gotten have been "imagined"!!! No one can provide any FACTUAL returns that we have gotten!!! We must STOP wasting our time, blood, sweat, and treasure on IMAGININGS!!! And we certainly cannot abide a city manager like Mr. Adkins who wants to "REIMAGINE"!!! ------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Posted By: over the hill
Date Posted: May 15 2014 at 8:44am
| Imagine this Dougie: You are in a fine looking Jaguar(not unlike one Judy owns) waving to crowds of people lining the streets of Middletown. You can see their happy faces as they have gather here for just one thing. That is to watch you ride out of town, back to Mason never to return to Middletown!! Oh darn is that the alarm ringing? |
Posted By: swohio75
Date Posted: May 15 2014 at 9:28am
I don't disagree. In fact, Middletown should look to hire a retired CEO with turnaround experience, even if his or her length of tenure with the city is short. Not sure the city needs another administrator who's going to stay 10 plus years, but someone who makes fast changes and lays the strategy for going forward. |
Posted By: over the hill
Date Posted: May 15 2014 at 9:39am
| It looks like the lady from Oxford is the most qualified for the job here in Middletown. She has faced "turn-around" situations in other cities. She doesn't seem to be afraid to speck up if it doesn't look right. |
Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: May 15 2014 at 9:45am
| I thought that she sounded good also |
Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: May 15 2014 at 11:13am
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She is strongest of 5, if they stick to 5. More seasoned to play "bad cop" on reductions and restructuring. Allows council to play good cop. No baggage, current city sings her praises. Passed on other offer closer to son; she probably has it. Concerns; sun-setting, returning where she began, retire, JG no. 2. Is it worth hiring her to make cuts, or pass levies? Do a 3 year deal with a private sector individual, $500,000. for period. ------------- 'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill |
Posted By: processor
Date Posted: May 15 2014 at 11:47am
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Acclaro, Assuming that you could find a private sector individual who would be willing to take it on I doubt if he would be hired. There appears to be a bias against private sector people. A buddy of mine was between jobs and thought it may be a way to give back if he took on the Economic Development job. He doesn't need the money. The guy is a Harvard graduate, was the Executive VP of Sales for a Fortune 250 company, had developed multi million dollar deals. Had been VP Operations for a Fortune 250 company. Knew about everyone (at high levels) in heavy manufacturing, Middletown's forte, and was willing to commit for a reasonable duration. He didn't get a second interview and they hired Robinette. I have about zero confidence that they would consider a person from private industry. Hopefully one of the 5 is what we need. I haven't been following it very closely and don't know any of the people so I can't judge. I am convinced that it needs to be someone from outside the current administration though. |
Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: May 15 2014 at 12:00pm
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processor, I know, and you are exactly right. The public sector folks like to keep it in the family. I can relate to your reference. I had a friend who has a Stanford MBA, who ran IBM's higher education group (servives, hardware, software) for 30 years, who also ran their university donation program. After he retired, he thought, like your friend, he would do the same, give back, and wanted to work for a small private university in fund raising. After many interviews, and a year of time, he had no offers, as the schools couldn't bend an individual who had given them donations, knew the system, knew how to write massive grant requests, to hold a position internally. It was so biased, and he was so abundantly qualified, he went to work for a large Fortune 25. They will hire from the group of 5, but missing what the city needs to turn itself around. And for the reasons you correctly stated. ------------- 'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 15 2014 at 3:01pm
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Marcia Andrew would be fantastic. She comes from a family with a financial and investment background, and she doesn't back down from a challenge. She knows Midedletown, its strengths and weaknesses. Someone should be recruiting her over a bottle of Pinot noir.
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Posted By: over the hill
Date Posted: May 15 2014 at 3:20pm
| Dean you are probably right. She would be a good council person. Lord knows we've drill her unmercifully on this forum and she holds her own and comes back for more. You have to respect her for that. |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: May 16 2014 at 6:06am
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I think when push came to shove, Ms. Andrew would "fall in line" with the rest of them. She certainly is to be commended for her participation in the school debate topics here, but seems to take the "city voice" side of things during the debate. She has to show support as the School Board President whether she truely believes in the program or not. No independents, disagreeable/out of the box, or individual thinking allowed on the school board or council. Otherwise, you are labeled as (here's my favoite word).....DISGRUNTLED. So much for independent thinking......or a new direction for that matter. ------------- I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over. |
Posted By: over the hill
Date Posted: May 16 2014 at 9:08am
Well here we go again Dougie has his but in trouble again because of what he has done to the landlords in Middletown. I wonder if council has had a chance to read this article? Do you think it will influence their decision on Dougie for city manager because now the city has to defend him AGAIN in a law suit? Well Dougie you might want to reign in some of that arrogance. IMO
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: May 16 2014 at 10:14am
NOPE. THE CITY PEOPLE WON'T ADMIT TO ANY WRONGDOING ON THE PART OF ADKINS, EVEN IF PROVEN IN COURT. HE IS ONE OF THEM, AND AS SUCH, IS ACCORDED THE TREATMENT EXPECTED FROM THE "IN-CROWD" AT DONHAM PLAZA. THERE CAN BE NO FOREGIVENESS NOR DISCIPLINE ADMINISTERED IN THE RANKS OF THE CITY POWER STRUCTURE IF THERE IS NEVER AN ADMISSION OR RECOGNITION OF GUILT FROM THOSE IN HIGHER POSITIONS. MOST IN THE CITY BUILDING IN HIGHER POSITIONS CAN DO NO WRONG. IT'S THE LOWER LEVEL WORKER WHO GETS STOMPED ON IF AN EXAMPLE IS TO BE MADE. PEOPLE LIKE DOUGGIE, LES AND MARTY ARE IN THE "NO-TOUCH ZONE". OH, AND ON THE TOPIC OF ARROGANCE.....PROBABLY A REQUIREMENT FOR EMPLOYMENT IN THE UPPER RANKS AT CITY HALL. I FEEL SORRY FOR THOSE EMPLOYED IN THE LOWER POSITIONS THERE. MUST BE A NIGHTMARE GOING IN TO WORK EACH DAY UNDER GILLELAND AND HER HENCHMEN. JUDGING BY PAST STORIES, PROBABLY A FEAR AND INTIMIDATION TYPE OF MANAGEMENT STYLE USED. ------------- I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over. |
Posted By: over the hill
Date Posted: May 16 2014 at 10:57am
| Oh I'm sure you're right about that,VV. Some of these people are just trying to keep their jobs because they have bills to pay just like the rest of us. They will probably breathe a sigh of releif when she is finally gone. But don't think for a minute that we have seen the last her in this town There is another back room deal brewing if not already set for her in some capacity in this city, mark my words. IMO |
Posted By: over the hill
Date Posted: May 16 2014 at 11:04am
| This law suit thing is really going to interrupt Dougie and Les's bid for city manger because now they have to hurry back to their offices and shred some more papers.LOL |